Story Poster
Baylor Basketball

MBB: #25 Baylor (4-0) vs Creighton (4-0) Preview & Game Thread

November 21, 2017
47,689

#25 Baylor (4-0) takes on Creighton (4-0) in the championship game of the CBE Tournament in Kansas City, MO on Tuesday, November 21st around 9pm CST.  The game is televised on ESPN2.  Here is a look at the match-up.  

KenPom Rankings

Creighton:  36 overall; 13 offensive efficiency; 68 defensive efficiency

Baylor:  21 overall; 17 offensive efficiency; 25 defensive efficiency

Prediction:  Baylor 78 Creighton 76

Coaches

Creighton:  Greg McDermott (52); 449-276 overall (170-92 at Creighton); 7 NCAAs

Baylor:  Scott Drew (47); 303-190 overall (283-179 at Baylor); 7 NCAAs; 4 Sweet 16s; 2 Elite 8s

Creighton Starting Line-Up

PG:  Khyri Thomas (JR) 6-3 210 lbs; 17 ppg; 5 reb; 3 asst; 61% FG; 54% 3pt; 80% FT

SG:  Marcus Foster (SR); 6-3 205 lbs; 20 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 55% FG; 50% 3pt; 80% FT

SF:  Davion Mintz (JR); 6-3 180 lbs; 7 ppg; 4 reb; 3 asst; 54% FG; 75% 3pt; 67% FT

PF:  Ronnie Harrell (JR); 6-7 200 lbs; 6 ppg; 8 reb; 2 asst; 47% FG; 25% 3pt; 60% FT

C:  Martin Krampelj (SO) 6-9 220 lbs; 11 ppg; 8 reb; 62% FG; 50% 3pt; 70% FT

Creighton Bench

F:  Manny Suarez (SR); 6-10 250 lbs; 6 ppg; 4 reb; 49% FG; 33% 3pt; 50% FT

G:  Ty-shon Alexander (FR) 6-4 195 lbs; 9 ppg; 3 asst; 49% FG; 41% 3pt; 83% FT

G:  Mitch Ballock (FR) 6-5 205 lbs; 12 ppg; 55% FG; 44% 3pt; 100% FT

Baylor Starting Line-up

PG:  Manu Lecomte (SR) 5-11 180 lbs; 22 ppg; 4 asst; 44% FG; 48% 3pt; 94% FT

SG:  King McClure (JR) 6-3 215 lbs; 8 ppg; 3 reb; 36% FG; 42% 3pt; 58% FT

SF:  Nuni Omot (SR) 6-9 210 lbs; 8 ppg; 5 reb; 3 asst; 41% FG; 32% 3pt; 83% FT

PF:  Tristan Clark (FR) 6-9 240 lbs; 10 ppg; 5 reb; 62% FG; 40% FT

C:  Jo Lual-Acuil (SR) 7-0 220 lbs; 14 ppg; 10 reb; 1 blk; 48% FG; 60% FT; 67% 3pt

Baylor Bench

G:  Jake Lindsey (JR) 6-5 195 lbs; 4 ppg; 3 reb; 5 asst; 43% FG; 29% 3pt; 50% FT

F:  Terry Maston (SR) 6-8 230 lbs; 10 ppg; 9 reb; 64% FG; 50% FT

F:  Mark Vital (RFR) 6-5 230 lbs; 6 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 57% FG; 64% FT

G:  Tyson Jolly (RFR) 6-5 190 lbs; first season (out until December)

Discussion from...

MBB: #25 Baylor (4-0) vs Creighton (4-0) Preview & Game Thread

37,029 Views | 209 Replies | Last: 7 yr ago by RioRata
bhard315
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to rudylaw • 9:31p, 11/21/17
Nah, McClure has had a slow start to the year but he's a capable perimeter scorer. Something does seem off with him but I guarantee you he is our 2nd best complete scorer and shooter behind Lecomte. He's just gotta snap out of this funk
Reply Quote
1
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:33p, 11/21/17
Vital's skill set is... energy? He's got a rough stroke from the line.
Reply Quote
EGOTbear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to bhard315 • 9:34p, 11/21/17
Don't know why people keep riding King.

Outside of a few games, he's shown nothing. Pretty big bust if you ask me. I've been saying this for a long time
Reply Quote
1
bhard315
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:34p, 11/21/17
Y'all react too strongly to stretches of bad basketball. These are kids out there. They make mistakes. They're not perfect. Creighton has come out pumped up, swarming on defense and playing with a ton more energy. We just gotta wake up.
Reply Quote
NoBSU
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:34p, 11/21/17
At least we seem to be evenly spreading around the ability to make a turnover. We have thst going for us.
Reply Quote
1
Johnny Bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:35p, 11/21/17
We're getting nothing from any of the back court so far. When is McClure going to show up?
Reply Quote
1 edit
EGOTbear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to rudylaw • 9:35p, 11/21/17
hoping we don't have another deuce bello. Attitude seems to be a much better anyway
Reply Quote
BellCountyBear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:35p, 11/21/17
Where did Al Freeman end up?
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:36p, 11/21/17
Like last year, when Manu is matched up against a bigger defender, he's easily neutralized. If King could score, perhaps Creighton would focus on him but since he can't, Manu is in jail.
Reply Quote
1
BaylorOkie
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to rudylaw • 9:36p, 11/21/17
rudylaw said:
King just doesn't look the look, does he?
Rewind several months when people weren't concerned about losing Freeman. Crazy.
Reply Quote
2
Johnny Bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to EGOTbear • 9:37p, 11/21/17
EGOTbear said:
hoping we don't have another deuce bello. Attitude seems to be a much better anyway
If you're referring to Vital, I was wondering the same thing.
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to BaylorOkie • 9:37p, 11/21/17
BaylorOkie said:
rudylaw said:
King just doesn't look the look, does he?
Rewind several months when people weren't concerned about losing Freeman. Crazy.
Yep and then Chuck screwed us.
Reply Quote
1
RioRata
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to BellCountyBear • 9:37p, 11/21/17
BellCountyBear said:
Where did Al Freeman end up?

NC State
Reply Quote
bhard315
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to EGOTbear • 9:38p, 11/21/17
Fair assessment. I've seen what he can do up close and believe that maybe the light bulb hasn't completely come on yet. He's still got 2 seasons, but it might never completely come on. Some guys, even high rated recruits don't completely adjust to the D1 speed of the game. I just choose to try to be optimistic and root for him just like I do every individual that comes through this program.
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to EGOTbear • 9:38p, 11/21/17
EGOTbear said:
hoping we don't have another deuce bello. Attitude seems to be a much better anyway
Was gonna say he's more of a Walton/Dennis hybrid.
Reply Quote
NoBSU
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to bhard315 • 9:39p, 11/21/17
bhard315 said:
Y'all react too strongly to stretches of bad basketball. These are kids out there. They make mistakes. They're not perfect. Creighton has come out pumped up, swarming on defense and playing with a ton more energy. We just gotta wake up.

Well you hope we come to play. But being passive on defense can be an issue.

Game threads are tough on players. Baylorfans was tough on Lomers, Ellis, and AJ in all threads. Freeman had an initial honeymoon period then was killed during slumps.
Reply Quote
RealLarryDon
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to rudylaw • 9:39p, 11/21/17
rudylaw said:
Vital's skill set is... energy? He's got a rough stroke from the line.
We nicknamed him the Tasmanian Devil. He has a tremendous amount of energy, stirs up a ton of dirt, is moving at all times, but you look at the stat box and there's nothing there.
Reply Quote
1
bhard315
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Johnny Bear • 9:39p, 11/21/17
Vital already seems to have developed better ball handling skills than Deuce ever did. Dribble still needs work but his passing has already exceeded expectations for his redshirt freshman year
Reply Quote
BellCountyBear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:39p, 11/21/17
Getting ugly...
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:40p, 11/21/17
Jo just looks terrific though. Amazing improvement.
Reply Quote
NoBSU
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to BaylorOkie • 9:41p, 11/21/17
BaylorOkie said:
rudylaw said:
King just doesn't look the look, does he?
Rewind several months when people weren't concerned about losing Freeman. Crazy.
His shooting slump was deep last year, but fans were too tough on BF.
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:41p, 11/21/17
King shows that though. He's willing to drive which is a great asset.
Reply Quote
BellCountyBear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:42p, 11/21/17
Manu having a crappy night!!!
Reply Quote
RealLarryDon
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:42p, 11/21/17
Drew and his staff have certainly developed other bigs, but Jo (even with his faults) has looked eons better this year so far. Much more aggressive with the ball.
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to NoBSU • 9:42p, 11/21/17
NoBSU said:
BaylorOkie said:
rudylaw said:
King just doesn't look the look, does he?
Rewind several months when people weren't concerned about losing Freeman. Crazy.
His shooting slump was deep last year, but fans were too tough on BF.
He was DNP'd several times for attitude though. That's when the worm turned IIRC. Then, he played well in March for a few games.
Reply Quote
1
BaylorOkie
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to NoBSU • 9:43p, 11/21/17
NoBSU said:
BaylorOkie said:
rudylaw said:
King just doesn't look the look, does he?
Rewind several months when people weren't concerned about losing Freeman. Crazy.
His shooting slump was deep last year, but fans were too tough on BF.
Agree.
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:43p, 11/21/17
Kind of worrisome that Clark isn't involved... like, at all.
Reply Quote
Johnny Bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:43p, 11/21/17
Just no energy. We look like we're exhausted and just want to get the game over with.
Reply Quote
EGOTbear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:43p, 11/21/17
Manu horrible tonight. Love him, but man...Drew's short PGs....
Reply Quote
rudylaw
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:44p, 11/21/17
Manu's 65-footer the first open look he's had all night. Creighton passes the eye test.
Reply Quote
1
RioRata
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to rudylaw • 9:45p, 11/21/17
rudylaw said:
NoBSU said:
BaylorOkie said:
rudylaw said:
King just doesn't look the look, does he?
Rewind several months when people weren't concerned about losing Freeman. Crazy.
His shooting slump was deep last year, but fans were too tough on BF.
He was DNP'd several times for attitude though. That's when the worm turned IIRC. Then, he played well in March for a few games.

^^^this^^^
Reply Quote
bhard315
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:45p, 11/21/17
Is it just me or does Clark look extremely lethargic and flat footed on defense? I mean he's young but it seems he hasn't learned that sense of urgency on defense yet. He'll improve though. I like his potential.
Reply Quote
BaylorOkie
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to rudylaw • 9:46p, 11/21/17
rudylaw said:
Kind of worrisome that Clark isn't involved... like, at all.
Same as last night. It's clear that Drew is more comfortable with Maston against good competition right now.
Reply Quote
RealLarryDon
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:47p, 11/21/17
I headed up the Nuni train in the offseason. I was convinced this was gonna be a breakout year and we could count on him for 12-14 a night. It's still early in the year though so maybe his productivity will pick up by conference play.
Reply Quote
NoBSU
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:47p, 11/21/17
We can't win if Maston can't give us something in at least one half. Hopefully, the first half ticked a,couple of guys off.
Reply Quote
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.