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FLBear5630
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Sam Lowry said:

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The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
Sam Lowry
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RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.
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Doc Holliday said:

ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
We need the FBI & CIA. They do a good job.

I would argue that the best work the CIA has done is Cuban missile crisis, finding bin Laden, and Ukraine (predicting Russian invasion, Russian troop movement)
Realistically, the best work the CIA, FBI counter Intel, and NSA has done and does is the work you don't know about.
Also the worst, considering they go to great lengths trying to cover up their corruption.
Mostly the worst.
Whiskey Pete
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Sam Lowry said:

Someone (I'm guessing Hannity or Carlson) obviously told you all to be very, very afraid of something. What that something is doesn't seem to matter.
Funny, coming from a guy that's been locked in his Covid bunker for 2 years now.
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Canada2017 said:

Osodecentx said:

Canada2017 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

You are wasting your time. It's beyond stupid to even have to point out of the problems here. If they are not on their face apparent to someone, that person is beyond help. The executive branch, underneath the department of homeland security, created an office to battle "disinformation, "and it is headed by blatantly Partisan person. This is on its face unconstitutional and abominable. We don't have to know at a granular level what behavior will follow. Whatever it is is going to be awful. There is no good answer here. The mere existence of this is a complete embarrassment. Having to discuss it is an embarrassment. For ****s sake. Any actual dangerous behavior was already illegal and under the purview of multiple law-enforcement agencies.
You're right. He's a stubborn, obtuse fool, and he didn't answer a single question (despite his protests that he wants to engage). COVID and Trump have driven any semblance of reason out of him.

I should have known better than to engage. I am seriously considering the ignore function for the first time ever.

Realized over a year ago Sam is not interested in legitimate discussions .....only in trolling .

' Ignore ' is a viable alternative to his foolishness .
You are wrong
Am wrong frequently .

However since I only post in this venue for entertainment.....it is of no consequence .





Peace Be With You .
Old *******s like you and me are at peace



Please speak for yourself .

Am the youngest 66 year old I know !
You youngsters need to listen to your elders
We listen...sometimes even politely .

But if helps if the speaker has a clue .
Local Carpenter Continues To Spread Disinformation Deemed Harmful By Religious Experts

JERUSALEMReligious experts have begun voicing concerns that a local carpenter's disinformation is spreading among Israelites most susceptible to unapproved ideas.
"Visit your nearest synagogue for the latest information on how to obey God. Listen to the experts!" A contingent of authorities in Jewish law spoke out against the carpenter's simple teaching about loving God and your neighbor. "Follow the datawe need tithes, loopholes, and ever-changing rules, not repentant hearts!"
The usually divided Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes showed solidarity in fact-checking Jesus's teaching. "We rate Jesus's teaching as 'Needs Context,'" said a spokesman for the group.
Eyewitnesses have confirmed that a group of Independent Fact Checkers followed the carpenter around holding large signs with disclaimers above his head: "SINCE YOUR SERMON INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT OBEYING GOD'S LAW, WE'VE ADDED DIRECTIONS TO THE NEAREST SYNAGOGUE."
At publishing time, the religious experts were conspiring with the government to keep the dangerous disinformation from spreading into Judea, Samaria, or to the uttermost parts of the earth.
https://babylonbee.com/news/local-carpenter-continues-to-spread-disinformation-and-teachings-deemed-harmful-by-religious-experts
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Wangchung said:

4th and Inches said:

RMF5630 said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Will there be censorship? No one here seems to know.
probably not.. they are just gonna take complaints and do nothing like every other blue run enforcement agency.

Good news is if they enforce and jail you, low dollar cash bail might be available if you are wearing a BLM shirt


No Cash Bail for the select.

Suspend Habeas Corpus and off to Gitmo for the rest.

Should be about right...
if they try to jail me for voicing my first amendment rights then we may have to have a talk about my Second Amendment rights as well
The headline will read; "White Nationalist found after making hate speech, arsenal of weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammo found in home:"
amazing how many POCs are white nationalists these days
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4th and Inches said:

Wangchung said:

4th and Inches said:

RMF5630 said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

Will there be censorship? No one here seems to know.
probably not.. they are just gonna take complaints and do nothing like every other blue run enforcement agency.

Good news is if they enforce and jail you, low dollar cash bail might be available if you are wearing a BLM shirt


No Cash Bail for the select.

Suspend Habeas Corpus and off to Gitmo for the rest.

Should be about right...
if they try to jail me for voicing my first amendment rights then we may have to have a talk about my Second Amendment rights as well
The headline will read; "White Nationalist found after making hate speech, arsenal of weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammo found in home:"
amazing how many POCs are white nationalists these days
More and more every day, depending on who you ask.
Sam Lowry
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Rawhide said:

Sam Lowry said:

Someone (I'm guessing Hannity or Carlson) obviously told you all to be very, very afraid of something. What that something is doesn't seem to matter.
Funny, coming from a guy that's been locked in his Covid bunker for 2 years now.
I'm doing all right. You're deeply scarred by a few months of masking and probably always will be. Life is what you make of it.
cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

What exactly is this "ministry" going to be doing that you think is unconstitutional?
What do you think they will do when they determine something in the media, a social media post, a book, etc to be disinformation? Ban it? Require private companies to put a disclaimer on it?

How do you honestly not see an issue with the government regulating speech?
cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
Parents voicing opinions at school board meetings are NOT terrorists. Way to miss the point.
Osodecentx
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Canon said:

Osodecentx said:

Canon said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

Canon said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
We need the FBI & CIA. They do a good job.



One of those is correct. The other is the FBI. The FBI are aimed at Americans and have been used as a political weapon for/by the democrat party since Obama. The Trump presidency demonstrated how far the FBI had sunk into their role as democrat brown shirts.
The FBI has a national security role, which can be understood independently from the Commerce Clause as part of Congress' power to provide for the common defense and police violations of the law of nations. The same is true of the DHS and its activities here.
Remember, this guy says the FBI is unconstitutional without Wickaerd


It is unconstitutional without Wickard. There's no reason an amendment shouldn't have been used to establish it, other than power grabbing.
Constitutional amendment for the FBI? I'm always ready to learn. Do you have a link?


If you look and are truly interested, you'll find one.

Try this.

https://fee.org/articles/wickard-v-filburn-the-supreme-court-case-that-gave-the-federal-government-nearly-unlimited-power/
Thanks. Good article from what appears to be a reputable source.
There was nothing, however, about Wickard being necessary for the establishment of the FBI. The FBI isn't mentioned in the article. Wickard is a 1942 case concerning the reach of the Interstate Commerce Clause, specifically the amount of wheat a farmer may raise.
The FBI was established in 1933 (its predecessor was the Bureau of Investigation established in 1908).

I agree that the ICC has been used by Congress to legislate things that should not be regulated.

Thanks again for posting a good article
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

What exactly is this "ministry" going to be doing that you think is unconstitutional?
What do you think they will do when they determine something in the media, a social media post, a book, etc to be disinformation? Ban it? Require private companies to put a disclaimer on it?

How do you honestly not see an issue with the government regulating speech?
I would see an issue if that's what they were doing. Evidently it is not.
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
Parents voicing opinions at school board meetings are NOT terrorists. Way to miss the point.
The point is that the potential for abuse doesn't mean the agency or program shouldn't exist.
cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
So it won't monitor Americans?????


Who then will it monitor?

Chinese? Russians? Koreans?

And what will it do then after it monitors them?

and this coming from the government that said it won't monitor citizens and then secretly monitored citizens....
cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

What exactly is this "ministry" going to be doing that you think is unconstitutional?
What do you think they will do when they determine something in the media, a social media post, a book, etc to be disinformation? Ban it? Require private companies to put a disclaimer on it?

How do you honestly not see an issue with the government regulating speech?
I would see an issue if that's what they were doing. Evidently it is not.
Then what will they do?


And I will ask again, how can you be ok with a government agency that will regulate speech?
cowboycwr
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Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
Parents voicing opinions at school board meetings are NOT terrorists. Way to miss the point.
The point is that the potential for abuse doesn't mean the agency or program shouldn't exist.
Except this is not potential for abuse. This is abuse and proof the agency should not exist.
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FLBear5630
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.


We are on same page there!
Robert Wilson
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RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.


We are on same page there!
Eh. "Foreign interference" is becoming a scare tactic to do whatever partisan garbage you want.

"Trump colluded with Russia!" Really?

"This Disinformation Administration (headed by a lady who touted the Steele dossier and who said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake) is primarily aimed at foreign interference. We would never do anything unconstitutional." Really?

"I (WaPo journalist) doxxed that conservative twitter handle because I thought they might be foreign (even though I had to have found out who they were before I completed my work)." Really?
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Robert Wilson said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.


We are on same page there!
Eh. "Foreign interference" is becoming a scare tactic to do whatever partisan garbage you want.

"Trump colluded with Russia!" Really?

"This Disinformation Administration (headed by a lady who touted the Steele dossier and who said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake) is primarily aimed at foreign interference. We would never do anything unconstitutional." Really?

"I (WaPo journalist) doxxed that conservative twitter handle because I thought they might be foreign (even though I had to have found out who they were before I completed my work)." Really?


True, but does not mean they are not still trying. At Bragg we had PsyOps units that did nothing but try to win the hearts and minds. We would be naive to think Russians. Chinese, and a host of others are not doing it.

Media has used it lately to push their agenda or undermine what they don't like. It is all basically a cesspool.
Robert Wilson
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RMF5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.


We are on same page there!
Eh. "Foreign interference" is becoming a scare tactic to do whatever partisan garbage you want.

"Trump colluded with Russia!" Really?

"This Disinformation Administration (headed by a lady who touted the Steele dossier and who said the Hunter Biden laptop was fake) is primarily aimed at foreign interference. We would never do anything unconstitutional." Really?

"I (WaPo journalist) doxxed that conservative twitter handle because I thought they might be foreign (even though I had to have found out who they were before I completed my work)." Really?


True, but does not mean they are not still trying. At Bragg we had PsyOps units that did nothing but try to win the hearts and minds. We would be naive to think Russians. Chinese, and a host of others are not doing it.

Media has used it lately to push their agenda or undermine what they don't like. It is all basically a cesspool.
Agree with all that.

Not saying that I don't think it's happening. Just saying I think it's also become a convenient bogeyman / cover to do whatever else you want to do.
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Doc Holliday said:

ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
We need the FBI & CIA. They do a good job.

I would argue that the best work the CIA has done is Cuban missile crisis, finding bin Laden, and Ukraine (predicting Russian invasion, Russian troop movement)
Realistically, the best work the CIA, FBI counter Intel, and NSA has done and does is the work you don't know about.
Also the worst, considering they go to great lengths trying to cover up their corruption.
It's when the politicians and their acolytes get involved that leads to that. And it only makes it harder for the real work to get done.
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Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.
Partisan tit for tat is what's exploited. They don't create the divisions, they take advantage of them. Chaos is the objective.

But we have gobs of agencies working at efforts to address this. They're not out countering the answers to bot farm information, they're shutting them down through Intel work.

The newest group idea is both laughable and frightening to just be considered, because it isn't targeting the foreign purveyors of information, but the recipients/citizens. We don't need government information filterers or guides. Otherwise, they only become part of the apparatus to create discord in a free society. We've seen multiple times how government messaging can be manipulated. They don't even need to censor or act from a legal perspective, their overt existence alone is enough to muddy the water.

The inference that we can't handle disparate ideas, disagreements, or oddities in the public sphere is a direct nod to the concept that the citizens can't be trusted to stay in line. That's frightening on a multitude of levels, because that's exactly how we've created discord in authoritarian regimes in our Intel efforts and how they tend to react/control the social response.
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Someone (I'm guessing Hannity or Carlson) obviously told you all to be very, very afraid of something. What that something is doesn't seem to matter.
That something could be a virus so, just following your lead.
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What exactly is this "ministry" going to be doing that you think is unconstitutional?
What do you think they will do when they determine something in the media, a social media post, a book, etc to be disinformation? Ban it? Require private companies to put a disclaimer on it?

How do you honestly not see an issue with the government regulating speech?
I would see an issue if that's what they were doing. Evidently it is not.
Then what will they do?


And I will ask again, how can you be ok with a government agency that will regulate speech?
They don't regulate speech. Maybe you have them confused with the FCC?
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

JXL said:

Sam Lowry said:

Malbec said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

I didn't say I was cool with it. I am 1) amused by hysterical reactions like yours and 2) questioning what exactly the problem is. As far as I can tell Doc's response pretty well sums up the issue. They are not creating a new agency, by the way.
Two questions:

1) You seriously can't think of what problems may arise by a Democrat administration's formation of a board designed to fight "disinformation"?

2) Have you been living on another planet the past couple of years?

"Hysterical." LOL. Like the word "conservative," in the words of Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

1) Of course I can imagine problems that might arise. I don't necessarily assume them as fact, though. Do you see the difference? A lot depends on what powers the board exercises, which no one here seems to know.

2) Yes. It's called Earth, and I send regular dispatches from my outpost here. Stay tuned.
There is a reason your grandmother told you not to run with scissors. You might not "assume" something bad was going to happen, but she gave you that warning nonetheless. If you still can see out of both eyes, you can thank granny.
What exactly are we running with? Do you know? What I've heard so far is...there's a board.


The fact that people are even talking about such a board is itself cause for alarm.
What is "such a board?" What are the characteristics that make it alarming?
the same characteristics that alarm people when the FBI are adding concerned parents who voice opinions at school board meetings to domestic terrorist watch lists.
So the FBI shouldn't monitor terrorists?
Parents voicing opinions at school board meetings are NOT terrorists. Way to miss the point.
The point is that the potential for abuse doesn't mean the agency or program shouldn't exist.
Except this is not potential for abuse. This is abuse and proof the agency should not exist.
How so?
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.
at whose request?
At what point was it known to be fiction and by whom was this known?

I don't trust Asian-American housing plans, blankets for native Americans, stories that dismiss Hunter Biden's laptop and dossiers just to name a few.


In the same way I don't want a Bill to pass so I can learn what is in it, I don't want an arm of the government to get up and running so I can know what they do. I want to know what they have the ability and scope to do prior to their startup. I'm just weird that way.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

RMF5630 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.


It was sourced through Clinton not Trump!!!
I know that. We should be less concerned with partisan tit-for-tat and more concerned about what foreign rivals are doing to our country.
Partisan tit for tat is what's exploited. They don't create the divisions, they take advantage of them. Chaos is the objective.

But we have gobs of agencies working at efforts to address this. They're not out countering the answers to bot farm information, they're shutting them down through Intel work.

The newest group idea is both laughable and frightening to just be considered, because it isn't targeting the foreign purveyors of information, but the recipients/citizens. We don't need government information filterers or guides. Otherwise, they only become part of the apparatus to create discord in a free society. We've seen multiple times how government messaging can be manipulated. They don't even need to censor or act from a legal perspective, their overt existence alone is enough to muddy the water.

The inference that we can't handle disparate ideas, disagreements, or oddities in the public sphere is a direct nod to the concept that the citizens can't be trusted to stay in line. That's frightening on a multitude of levels, because that's exactly how we've created discord in authoritarian regimes in our Intel efforts and how they tend to react/control the social response.
It's not targeting citizens, except to the extent that it's trying to educate them. The DHS did the same thing under Trump. Many other agencies do too.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.
I want to know what they have the ability and scope to do prior to their startup.
Careful, some would say a post like that is trolling.
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Sam Lowry said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.
I want to know what they have the ability and scope to do prior to their startup.
Careful, some would say a post like that is trolling.
while others would make a snide comment rather than addressing the content of the post.

Which one are you again?
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

The tempest over DHS's Disinformation Governance Board
By Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 29, 2022

The Department of Homeland Security's creation of a Disinformation Governance Board has set off a backlash on the right -- even as it's not entirely clear what the perhaps unfortunately named board will do.

Under questioning from Democrats, Mayorkas said the board was part of an effort whose "goal is to bring the resources of the department together to address this threat," specifically citing misinformation disseminated to Spanish speakers. In a separate hearing, he mentioned it briefly as part of efforts to combat Russian misinformation.

Ultimately, Mayorkas conceded Sunday that DHS "could have done a better job of communicating what it is and what it isn't." He called it an "internal working group" and said it wouldn't, in fact, monitor Americans.

"The board does not have any operational authority or capability," he said. "What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries, from the cartels, and disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been executing in addressing this threat for years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/29/disinformation-governance-board-dhs/
They'll reinforce information like the Steele dossier which they falsely attributed to Russia instead of a failed Brit agent and HRC.

The Feds don't have the responsibility to manage this. It's that simple.
The Steele dossier was largely sourced from Russia.
I want to know what they have the ability and scope to do prior to their startup.
Careful, some would say a post like that is trolling.
while others would make a snide comment rather than addressing the content of the post.

Which one are you again?
You're suspicious of government. I get it. I'm just saying there's no need to cross from suspicion to paranoia.

As for the dossier, we've established that it was commissioned by Hillary. That was known very early on (actually I was one of the first if not the first to post here about it). It did a lot of damage and was quite possibly a Russian disinformation op itself.
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First, the left has zero credibility with which to ask anyone to trust them not to abuse this new power. From attempting to kill the filibuster to trying to pack the scotus, it's become obvious power is all that matters and the ends justifies the means.

Second, the Ministry of Truth only came to be after Musk successfully bought Twitter, a move that was itself a massive reaction to leftist censorship run amok. So of COURSE everyone sees this as a move against what Musk did which would make it pro-leftist censorship.

All the "Hey, relax, they won't abuse this new power! We pinky swear" in the world won't buy that credibility back.
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Wangchung said:

First, the left has zero credibility with which to ask anyone to trust them not to abuse this new power. From attempting to kill the filibuster to trying to pack the scotus, it's become obvious power is all that matters and the ends justifies the means.

Second, the Ministry of Truth only came to be after Musk successfully bought Twitter, a move that was itself a massive reaction to leftist censorship run amok. So of COURSE everyone sees this as a move against what Musk did which would make it pro-leftist censorship.

All the "Hey, relax, they won't abuse this new power! We pinky swear" in the world won't buy that credibility back.
What new power are we talking about again, specifically?
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

First, the left has zero credibility with which to ask anyone to trust them not to abuse this new power. From attempting to kill the filibuster to trying to pack the scotus, it's become obvious power is all that matters and the ends justifies the means.

Second, the Ministry of Truth only came to be after Musk successfully bought Twitter, a move that was itself a massive reaction to leftist censorship run amok. So of COURSE everyone sees this as a move against what Musk did which would make it pro-leftist censorship.

All the "Hey, relax, they won't abuse this new power! We pinky swear" in the world won't buy that credibility back.
What new power are we talking about again, specifically?
The power to deem anything they like as "wrong speak" and respond as they wish.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

First, the left has zero credibility with which to ask anyone to trust them not to abuse this new power. From attempting to kill the filibuster to trying to pack the scotus, it's become obvious power is all that matters and the ends justifies the means.

Second, the Ministry of Truth only came to be after Musk successfully bought Twitter, a move that was itself a massive reaction to leftist censorship run amok. So of COURSE everyone sees this as a move against what Musk did which would make it pro-leftist censorship.

All the "Hey, relax, they won't abuse this new power! We pinky swear" in the world won't buy that credibility back.
What new power are we talking about again, specifically?
The power to deem anything they like as "wrong speak" and respond as they wish.

"Nuh uh, they promised they wouldn't do that." Is not an acceptable response.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
 
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