Roe v. Wade Overruled?

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Waco1947
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My gun does me no good for self defense when it's in my home and I am not, but specifically when referencing the AR, this solution would not have prevented the attack. At least with a long gun it cannot be concealed. If he had walked in with hidden pistols we get the same death count or worse without the forewarning.( as little as that forewarning was)

Your answer is immaterial bc a long gun was used and it needs to be banned
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That's not a defense of your bad argument. "We can't talk about what would have happened if I had my way because that didn't happen therefor my suggestion is infallible"
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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whiterock said:

Waco1947 said:

ShooterTX said:

Waco1947 said:

whiterock said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Prime examples of the moral and ethical rot, that comes from leftist views.
These comments are disgusting.


Yep. Change brown to white and evangelical to Muslim, and she would be cancelled. Usual anti-intellectual, anti-data views from the authoritarians ... I know have many friends that have adopted "brown" children, and to a kid they're all thriving and successful.
My sister & brother-in-law each had barriers to conception and adopted two kids from Guatemala. One is on the Aspergers spectrum, intelligent but with learning and socialization limitations and is turning out to be a great citizen and prized employee who always shows up early and outworks his colleagues. The other just graduated from college and has offers from a former employer to manage & learn & ultimately work her way to ownership of franchise businesses.

Such a shame they grew up under systemic oppression. Think what they could have done if they'd only known liberty.
And the other billion born into poverty? Who adopts them them?
so your solution is to just murder the poor?
Pure speculation on your part. It's a straw man
No, you're doing the Motte and Bailey routine, and pretty weakly at that.

Several years ago when I entered politics, I met with a grad of BU and BU Law and former Democrat elected official. We had numerous connections via community and family but had never met. The abortion issue came up. This person listened to my pro-life position then asked the same question you posed, only this person phrased it more pointedly...."what about all those black babies born in the projects? How are we going to pay for for all those mouths on Welfare?"

I was momentarily speechless.

But there you have it. They SAY they are worried about the poor. But really, they are worried about something else. And they cover it with the Iron Law of Woke Projection - by calling anyone who disagrees with them racists.


I am sorry but shooter straw man is, indeed, a straw man with proof at that

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Waco1947
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Wangchung said:

Waco1947 said:

A pro-life position would require universal background checks and no ARs
A pro life position would be to ban fatty foods and sugary drinks. A ban on knives, hammers, any blunt objects. A pro life position would be to cage every American in their very own cells and have the government feed clothe and control their actions every day with no physical human contact possible unless approved and closely monitored by the jai...sorry, compassionate government.
It's hard to enter a class and kill 21 people with canned drinks or a bags of sugar and the rest is nonsense and a silly diatribe about govt. Silly, really
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more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
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Waco1947 said:

Wangchung said:

Waco1947 said:

A pro-life position would require universal background checks and no ARs
A pro life position would be to ban fatty foods and sugary drinks. A ban on knives, hammers, any blunt objects. A pro life position would be to cage every American in their very own cells and have the government feed clothe and control their actions every day with no physical human contact possible unless approved and closely monitored by the jai...sorry, compassionate government.
It's hard to enter a class and kill 21 people with canned drinks or a bags of sugar and the rest is nonsense and a silly diatribe about govt. Silly, really
Yeah, because that was my point and certainly not that overreacting to a situation by banning things from regular people for their own good is overreaching.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
Well we see how that worked out in Uvalde.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Go ahead protect yourself but more people are killed in homes through violence against a household member, suicide and accidents than home invasion.

Go ahead take the chance but you are a human and humans amke mistakes.
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Waco1947 said:

Go ahead protect yourself but more people are killed in homes through violence against a household member, suicide and accidents than home invasion.

Go ahead take the chance but you are a human and humans amke mistakes.


Nice to know you supported locking those abusers up with their victims during Covid-19.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Waco1947 said:

Go ahead protect yourself but more people are killed in homes through violence against a household member, suicide and accidents than home invasion.

Go ahead take the chance but you are a human and humans make mistakes.


Nice to know you supported locking those abusers up with their victims during Covid-19.
What? I know you look for the easy opportunity for sarcasm but you leaped before you thought.
Guns in homes endanger our loved one.
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Waco1947 said:

Amal Shuq-Up said:

Waco1947 said:

Go ahead protect yourself but more people are killed in homes through violence against a household member, suicide and accidents than home invasion.

Go ahead take the chance but you are a human and humans make mistakes.


Nice to know you supported locking those abusers up with their victims during Covid-19.
What? I know you look for the easy opportunity for sarcasm but you leaped before you thought.
Guns in homes endanger our loved one.


So did locking up families during covid.
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Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
or maybe they do..

whiterock
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Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
some do. and it's cruel to deny them the ability to protect themselves and their kids.

but we can't have that. The anti-gunners will never let guns be a part of a solution to a problem.
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4th and Inches said:

Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
or maybe they do..
Good.
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whiterock said:

Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
some do. and it's cruel to deny them the ability to protect themselves and their kids.

but we can't have that. The anti-gunners will never let guns be a part of a solution to a problem.


First, I'm not sure schools are safer with armed teachers. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

Second, can we trust teachers with deadly weapons? We can't trust them to teach their classes without a full year of lesson plans online. We can't trust them to handle a discussion about the role of slavery in the founding of our country. We can't trust them to hide their marital status from students.

But yeah, let's add some more responsibility to people we don't trust. Because the people whose one job was to stop a shooter, alone if necessary, decided not to do that.

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

whiterock said:

Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
some do. and it's cruel to deny them the ability to protect themselves and their kids.

but we can't have that. The anti-gunners will never let guns be a part of a solution to a problem.


First, I'm not sure schools are safer with armed teachers. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

Second, can we trust teachers with deadly weapons? We can't trust them to teach their classes without a full year of lesson plans online. We can't trust them to handle a discussion about the role of slavery in the founding of our country. We can't trust them to hide their marital status from students.

But yeah, let's add some more responsibility to people we don't trust. Because the people whose one job was to stop a shooter, alone if necessary, decided not to do that.


I don't think arming teachers is the solution. But having resource officers that are trained, able and WILLING to risk their lives to stop this nonsense is definitely a step that can be taken.
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OsoCoreyell said:

quash said:

whiterock said:

Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
some do. and it's cruel to deny them the ability to protect themselves and their kids.

but we can't have that. The anti-gunners will never let guns be a part of a solution to a problem.


First, I'm not sure schools are safer with armed teachers. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

Second, can we trust teachers with deadly weapons? We can't trust them to teach their classes without a full year of lesson plans online. We can't trust them to handle a discussion about the role of slavery in the founding of our country. We can't trust them to hide their marital status from students.

But yeah, let's add some more responsibility to people we don't trust. Because the people whose one job was to stop a shooter, alone if necessary, decided not to do that.


I don't think arming teachers is the solution. But having resource officers that are trained, able and WILLING to risk their lives to stop this nonsense is definitely a step that can be taken.


We do not have test for who will sacrifice their life anymore than we have one for who will be a mass shooter.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

whiterock said:

Waco1947 said:

more guns are not the solution. Teachers don't want them
some do. and it's cruel to deny them the ability to protect themselves and their kids.

but we can't have that. The anti-gunners will never let guns be a part of a solution to a problem.


First, I'm not sure schools are safer with armed teachers. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/report/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/

Second, can we trust teachers with deadly weapons? We can't trust them to teach their classes without a full year of lesson plans online. We can't trust them to handle a discussion about the role of slavery in the founding of our country. We can't trust them to hide their marital status from students.

But yeah, let's add some more responsibility to people we don't trust. Because the people whose one job was to stop a shooter, alone if necessary, decided not to do that.


I said we should not "deny them the ability to protect themselves and their kids...."

I didn't say "we must arm all teachers" (the usual straw man objection to the idea).

That said, your objection is a real one and can be addressed the following way:
1) it must be voluntary. (no forcing teachers to carry).
2) teachers must be trained. (for school-room scenarios).
3) teachers must practice. (for school-room scenarios).
4) even just having a gun locked in a safe in class would be an improvement.

We have a structural psychological problem going on throughout this debate: we sense that preparing kids and classrooms for bad things degraded the educational environment...."it's just HORRIBLE that kinds have to see cops and guns at school." In many cases, the same folks who make the "we can't raise our kids in a war zone" argument are the ones insisting we teach our kids that they are all either perps or victims of t "systemic oppression" and that "words are violence."

In reality, kids NEED to see cops and guns at school. They need to be prepared for bad things to happen. We used to drill once a month in diving under our classroom desk to survive a soviet nuclear attack. It led to a lot of discussions about the benefits of our system over others. Later, we went to the moon, elected Reagan, won the Cold War. I got a couple of college degrees, fought in the Cold War, fought in the WOT before we called it the WOT, spent 7 hours yesterday on my knees weeding my wife's lavender patch, and am now here arguing on the internet with someone I do not know waiting for the tylenol to kick in. The blessings of liberty and all that.

Those nuclear war drills weren't so bad. No kid's life was ruined by them. Life is tough. The quicker we prepare kids for it, the better of they will be. And shame on us if we choose to argue interminably about things of at best tangential benefit rather than move expeditiously to do obvious things to protect them while they are in our care.
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A teacher went through an active shooter drill in her school. After it was over a first grader asked why he had to sit where he was, "Since I'll be the first one shot."

That reaction has to be weighed.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

A teacher went through an active shooter drill in her school. After it was over a first grader asked why he had to sit where he was, "Since I'll be the first one shot."

That reaction has to be weighed.

Smart kid. Situationally aware.

I took an Egyptian Air flight out of Khartoum one day in the early 1990's. On the platform at the top of the air stairs were two stern, beefy guys in sunglasses & suits (obviously Egyptian intel officers) checking carry-on bags and passports. . I set mine up on the little platform in front of one of the two gentlemen and he started checking it. The other one asked for my passport and I handed it to him. He saw that it was a US Diplomatic passport and quickly apologized & nudged his partner to conclude the bag search.

I told him, "that's ok," held up my passport, pointed to it and said "Take all the time you need and please search every bag very thoroughly. I will be the first person shot." He smiled.


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Cobretti said:


Surprising this has not been figured out by now. Seems like a pretty important problem to solve.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Cobretti said:


Surprising this has not been figured out by now. Seems like a pretty important problem to solve.

Democrats don't want to solve it…they can feign "outrage" all day long, but we all know they are glad this leak occurred. These leaks will only continue in the future, you can bet on that!
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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Surprising this has not been figured out by now. Seems like a pretty important problem to solve.

Maybe not so surprising if the leaker turns out to be a sitting justice; staff is being asked to give up all kinds of privacy protections but the court itself is not.

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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Need to fire all of the clerks then. Purge the hate.
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quash said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Surprising this has not been figured out by now. Seems like a pretty important problem to solve.

Maybe not so surprising if the leaker turns out to be a sitting justice; staff is being asked to give up all kinds of privacy protections but the court itself is not.
I think everyone would be shocked if it turned out to be a Justice, but I guess little would surprise me these days. I would put my bet on a staffer.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

quash said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Cobretti said:


Surprising this has not been figured out by now. Seems like a pretty important problem to solve.

Maybe not so surprising if the leaker turns out to be a sitting justice; staff is being asked to give up all kinds of privacy protections but the court itself is not.
I think everyone would be shocked if it turned out to be a Justice, but I guess little would surprise me these days. I would put my bet on a staffer.

I'm not saying it was aliens, but...

Kagan.

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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If it is a justice then impeachment is required. However, we all know there will never be 67 senators to agree.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Cobretti said:


Its obvious that liberals have every intention of stoking radicals on their side that want to commit mass violence and murder against their political opponents...but they are just so inept at it that they never can seem to successfully carry out their plans.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/james-hodgkinson-shooting-republicans-baseball-game

https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html
Gay guy tried to shoot up the family research council and intended to stuff chick-fila sandwiches in the victims mouths.
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The leak and associated threats against SCOUTS are exponentially a greater "threat to democracy" than a few idiots vandalizing the Capitol.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

The leak and associated threats against SCOUTS are exponentially a greater "threat to democracy" than a few idiots vandalizing the Capitol.
Noting new there. SCOTUS has been a threat to democracy a number of times over the life of our country. This kerfuffle pales compared to Dred Scott, Plessy, Roe, Obergefell, etc.... And in context, the leak was merely an effort to forestall a repair (overturning Roe).

Cleaning up messes is messy work.
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whiterock said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

The leak and associated threats against SCOUTS are exponentially a greater "threat to democracy" than a few idiots vandalizing the Capitol.
Noting new there. SCOTUS has been a threat to democracy a number of times over the life of our country. This kerfuffle pales compared to Dred Scott, Plessy, Roe, Obergefell, etc.... And in context, the leak was merely an effort to forestall a repair (overturning Roe).

Cleaning up messes is messy work.
I meant more from a process perspective. While I can disagree with particular opinions, violent, radical extremists threatening the integrity of the Court is a legitimate threat to democracy. I must be ruled by laws not mobs of extremists.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

The leak and associated threats against SCOUTS are exponentially a greater "threat to democracy" than a few idiots vandalizing the Capitol.
Noting new there. SCOTUS has been a threat to democracy a number of times over the life of our country. This kerfuffle pales compared to Dred Scott, Plessy, Roe, Obergefell, etc.... And in context, the leak was merely an effort to forestall a repair (overturning Roe).

Cleaning up messes is messy work.
I meant more from a process perspective. While I can disagree with particular opinions, violent, radical extremists threatening the integrity of the Court is a legitimate threat to democracy. I must be ruled by laws not mobs of extremists.
But threatening the integrity of the electoral vote is no big deal.
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

whiterock said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

The leak and associated threats against SCOUTS are exponentially a greater "threat to democracy" than a few idiots vandalizing the Capitol.
Noting new there. SCOTUS has been a threat to democracy a number of times over the life of our country. This kerfuffle pales compared to Dred Scott, Plessy, Roe, Obergefell, etc.... And in context, the leak was merely an effort to forestall a repair (overturning Roe).

Cleaning up messes is messy work.
I meant more from a process perspective. While I can disagree with particular opinions, violent, radical extremists threatening the integrity of the Court is a legitimate threat to democracy. I must be ruled by laws not mobs of extremists.
But threatening the integrity of the electoral vote is no big deal.
it is a very big deal. Stop acting like it could have been changed by some angry protesters

They are trying to change it in many ways like the 270 project. If they get it done, your vote in the fly overs will no longer count. They already messed up the way the govt was supposed to work with the 17th admendment. This will be another step in seperating power from the state and centralizing power at the national level.

This is what should alarm you.. the Jan 6th stuff is smoke screen political theater..
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