Yet another vaxed dead if a heart attack…at 37

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Jacques Strap
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Americans are fat and it seems logical that has someting - maybe a lot - to do with increased deaths in young people.

OTOH stories like the one below make me think further investigation is needed regarding the vax.

NJ Boy, 12, Collapses and Dies at Football Workout. Family Says CPR Might've Saved Him


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Story by Pat Battle 6h ago

The parents of a 12-year-old boy are desperately looking for answers after their son collapsed and died during football practice in New Jersey.

The tragedy occurred last week during a youth team's workout in Newark, when Elijah Jordon Brown-Garcia was doing two of the things he loved most: being with his little brother, and gearing up for football practice.
The season was still months away, but Elijah went with his 10-year-old brother Mekhi to his rec team practice at West Side Park on Friday. He was running some drills when the unthinkable happened.

"He didn't get hit, like no contact or anything. He ran about 20 yards, said he was going to take a little break. I don't think he took enough time," said brother Mekhi Stradford.

Elijah collapsed without warning. Mekhi called his mother while another parent called 911 but no one administered CPR. The coach had briefly left the workout to run an errand.

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He Hate Me said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

He Hate Me said:

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He Hate Me said:

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.



There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.


Is there evidence of causation?


Assuming we are using the same numbers as pre-savior-shot, it is an apple to apple comparison. Surely our government would not jerk the numbers around for political purposes. So, same question to you for pre covid deaths.


Remember all the rona deaths from car wrecks and gunshots.


85 to 100 year old men in care facilities for multiple comorbities but reported as covy deaths. The side that argues the shot is effective can wear these numbers. They own them when asking for causation.
This is definitely a both sides issue.

The Ronarific believers that still think masks and work at home should be the way of life are wrong, and the ultra crazy "everyone that dies under 60 is the result of the vaccine" are wrong.

Seeems we have no end in sight for histrionic whataboutism. Great world to live in these days.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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trey3216 said:

He Hate Me said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

He Hate Me said:

JXL said:

He Hate Me said:

Osodecentx said:


https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.



There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.


Is there evidence of causation?


Assuming we are using the same numbers as pre-savior-shot, it is an apple to apple comparison. Surely our government would not jerk the numbers around for political purposes. So, same question to you for pre covid deaths.


Remember all the rona deaths from car wrecks and gunshots.


85 to 100 year old men in care facilities for multiple comorbities but reported as covy deaths. The side that argues the shot is effective can wear these numbers. They own them when asking for causation.
This is definitely a both sides issue.

The Ronarific believers that still think masks and work at home should be the way of life are wrong, and the ultra crazy "everyone that dies under 60 is the result of the vaccine" are wrong.

Seeems we have no end in sight for histrionic whataboutism. Great world to live in these days.
Genuinely, I have not read anyone that claims everyone that dies under 60 is the result of the vaccine. What people are reacting to is the takeover of actual science by anti-science political authoritarians. If SARS-CoV-2 and the reaction by the government and t'science "experts" demonstrated publicly how much politics consumed data, facts, and public health.
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It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.


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whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



NBC is always the first place I go for stories that the mainstream media wants to suppress.
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Fre3dombear said:

He Hate Me said:

Osodecentx said:


https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations
Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths
It has been two years since the first COVID-19 vaccine was given to a patient in the United States. Since then, the U.S. has administered more than 655 million doses 80 percent of the population has received at least one dose with the cumulative effect of preventing more than 18 million additional hospitalizations and more than 3 million additional deaths.


Dear Fred bear,
There are more deaths since the jab than before the jab. That is quantifiable. The "prevented" deaths and hospitalizations are simply guesses and more propaganda from the side responsible for this sorry episode in our nation's history.


Yep. Like Obamas old "saved jobs" nonsense during the last Democrat recession
Freedom bear,
I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
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whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
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joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.


From the beginning many medical experts said that immunity derived from infection would likely be equal to or superior to that from a vaccine. Obviously, the downside of getting infection-derived immunity is getting bad outcomes like infection-derived hospitalization or death at a rate much, much higher than bad outcomes from vaccines.

Given the philosophy you have previously advocated, however, you should just go tell those families that they and their loved ones they are here merely by chance and their lives have and had no meaning in any event so those deaths aren't particularly important.
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joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



NBC is always the first place I go to look for stories that the mainstream media wants to suppress.
some of us have known this was true for a while now..

PS the laptop is real.
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4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



NBC is always the first place I go to look for stories that the mainstream media wants to suppress.
some of us have blindly insisted this was true for a while now..
FIFY
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Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



NBC is always the first place I go to look for stories that the mainstream media wants to suppress.
some of us have blindly insisted this was true for a while now..
FIFY
hopefully you lawyer better than you fix posts.
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Osodecentx
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ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.
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4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

4th and Inches said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



NBC is always the first place I go to look for stories that the mainstream media wants to suppress.
some of us have blindly insisted this was true for a while now..
FIFY
hopefully you lawyer better than you fix posts.
I don't know about better, but I'm definitely less kind.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves
Hmmm. I don't recall this taking place. Maybe I just missed it.

Covid is far from the Bubonic Plague.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves
Hmmm. I don't recall this taking place. Maybe I just missed it.

Covid is far from the Bubonic Plague.
May 27, 2020
It was nearly two months ago when the first white refrigerated trucks began to appear on the streets of New York City. They were meant as a temporary solution to help overwhelmed hospitals and morgues house the bodies of people who had succumbed to Covid-19. The pandemic has now left nearly 30,000 dead in New York and about 205 of the vehicles, sent by the Federal Emergency Management Agency or purchased by the medical examiner's office, are stationed across the city.
Normally these trucks are used to transport refrigerated groceries. But for weeks they've sat outside nearly all of the city's hospitals, in parking lots, next to parks, outside subway entrances and at four temporary morgue locations.
What happens when thousands of people die in a dense city and there's not enough room to store their bodies? Their remains become your new neighbors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html?searchResultPosition=10
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Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves
Hmmm. I don't recall this taking place. Maybe I just missed it.

Covid is far from the Bubonic Plague.
May 27, 2020
It was nearly two months ago when the first white refrigerated trucks began to appear on the streets of New York City. They were meant as a temporary solution to help overwhelmed hospitals and morgues house the bodies of people who had succumbed to Covid-19. The pandemic has now left nearly 30,000 dead in New York and about 205 of the vehicles, sent by the Federal Emergency Management Agency or purchased by the medical examiner's office, are stationed across the city.
Normally these trucks are used to transport refrigerated groceries. But for weeks they've sat outside nearly all of the city's hospitals, in parking lots, next to parks, outside subway entrances and at four temporary morgue locations.
What happens when thousands of people die in a dense city and there's not enough room to store their bodies? Their remains become your new neighbors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html?searchResultPosition=10

Your article is an opinion piece from the New York Times. Did you even read it? It talks about refrigerated trucks, not mass graves.

The Covid hype lives on.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
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ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.


Statistics don't bear that out, but you can say it if it makes you feel better.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves
Hmmm. I don't recall this taking place. Maybe I just missed it.

Covid is far from the Bubonic Plague.
May 27, 2020
It was nearly two months ago when the first white refrigerated trucks began to appear on the streets of New York City. They were meant as a temporary solution to help overwhelmed hospitals and morgues house the bodies of people who had succumbed to Covid-19. The pandemic has now left nearly 30,000 dead in New York and about 205 of the vehicles, sent by the Federal Emergency Management Agency or purchased by the medical examiner's office, are stationed across the city.
Normally these trucks are used to transport refrigerated groceries. But for weeks they've sat outside nearly all of the city's hospitals, in parking lots, next to parks, outside subway entrances and at four temporary morgue locations.
What happens when thousands of people die in a dense city and there's not enough room to store their bodies? Their remains become your new neighbors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html?searchResultPosition=10

Your article is an opinion piece from the New York Times. Did you even read it? It talks about refrigerated trucks, not mass graves.

The Covid hype lives on.
Coronavirus: New York ramps up mass burials amid outbreak
10 April 2020

Drone footage shows mass burials in New York

Images have emerged of coffins being buried in a mass grave in New York City, as the death toll from the coronavirus continues to rise.
Workers in hazmat outfits were seen stacking wooden coffins in deep trenches in Hart Island.
Officials say burials are being ramped up at site, which has long been used for people with no next-of-kin or families who cannot afford a funeral.
New York state now has more coronavirus cases than any single country.

The state's confirmed caseload of Covid-19 is nearly 162,000, of whom 7,844 have died.
Spain has recorded about 157,000 cases and Italy 143,600, while China, where the virus emerged last year, has nearly 83,000 cases.

The US as a whole has recorded 467,000 cases and about 16,700 deaths. Globally there are 1.6 million cases and 97,000 deaths.

The drone footage comes from Hart Island, off the Bronx in Long Island Sound, which has been used for more than 150 years by city officials as a mass burial site for those with no next-of-kin, or families who cannot afford funerals.
Normally, about 25 bodies a week are interred on the island, according to the Associated Press news agency.
But burial operations have increased from one day a week to five days a week, with around 24 burials each day, said Department of Correction spokesman Jason Kersten.

Prisoners from Rikers Island, the city's main jail complex, usually do the job, but the rising workload has recently been taken over by contractors.
It is not clear how many of the dead have no next-of-kin or could not afford a funeral. However, the city has cut the amount of time it will hold unclaimed remains amid pressure on morgue space.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio indicated earlier this week that "temporary burials" might be necessary until the crisis had passed.
"Obviously the place we have used historically is Hart Island," he said.

New Yorkers have been shocked by the grim scenes: ambulances constantly blaring down eerily deserted streets, body bags being forklifted into refrigerated trucks outside hospitals and now new trenches being dug on Hart's Island for possible mass burials.

The remote cemetery, accessible only by boat, is a place regarded historically with sorrow because of its mass graves with no tombstones, just unclaimed bodies.

The city's morgues can only handle so much before temporary burials for Covid-19 victims, once an absolute worst-case scenario, become necessary.

Funeral directors talk openly about how scared and depressed the spiking death toll has left them. Even before this week's record number of deaths, some families have had to wait a week or more to bury and cremate their loved ones.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52241221





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Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.
There were more COVID deaths from November 2021 to February 2022 than there were in the first 6 months of the Pandemic. Daily deaths were higher in January 2022 than they were in April or May of 2020. I coincided those time periods because that was when NYC was mass burying people and we hadn't figured out how to quarantine the vulnerable.
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D. C. Bear said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.


Statistics don't bear that out, but you can say it if it makes you feel better.
Depends upon which strain and when. Statistics are unfortunately bearing it out over the longer period of evaluation. We have benefitted from weaker strains as much as vaccination.
Osodecentx
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ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.
There were more COVID deaths from November 2021 to February 2022 than there were in the first 6 months of the Pandemic. Daily deaths were higher in January 2022 than they were in April or May of 2020. I coincided those time periods because that was when NYC was mass burying people and we hadn't figured out how to quarantine the vulnerable.
You believe the Covid vaccine had no effect or a deleterious effect on the death rate of the elderly?
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Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.
There were more COVID deaths from November 2021 to February 2022 than there were in the first 6 months of the Pandemic. Daily deaths were higher in January 2022 than they were in April or May of 2020. I coincided those time periods because that was when NYC was mass burying people and we hadn't figured out how to quarantine the vulnerable.
You believe the Covid vaccine had no effect or a deleterious effect on the death rate of the elderly?
I believed it did. I'm concerned about the reality of long term analysis.
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ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.
There were more COVID deaths from November 2021 to February 2022 than there were in the first 6 months of the Pandemic. Daily deaths were higher in January 2022 than they were in April or May of 2020. I coincided those time periods because that was when NYC was mass burying people and we hadn't figured out how to quarantine the vulnerable.
You believe the Covid vaccine had no effect or a deleterious effect on the death rate of the elderly?
I believed it did. I'm concerned about the reality of long term analysis.
I think I understand your position. You believed the vaccine was helpful but in the long run harmful because you believe naturally acquired immunity is more durable than vaccine immunity.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves
Hmmm. I don't recall this taking place. Maybe I just missed it.

Covid is far from the Bubonic Plague.
May 27, 2020
It was nearly two months ago when the first white refrigerated trucks began to appear on the streets of New York City. They were meant as a temporary solution to help overwhelmed hospitals and morgues house the bodies of people who had succumbed to Covid-19. The pandemic has now left nearly 30,000 dead in New York and about 205 of the vehicles, sent by the Federal Emergency Management Agency or purchased by the medical examiner's office, are stationed across the city.
Normally these trucks are used to transport refrigerated groceries. But for weeks they've sat outside nearly all of the city's hospitals, in parking lots, next to parks, outside subway entrances and at four temporary morgue locations.
What happens when thousands of people die in a dense city and there's not enough room to store their bodies? Their remains become your new neighbors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html?searchResultPosition=10

Your article is an opinion piece from the New York Times. Did you even read it? It talks about refrigerated trucks, not mass graves.

The Covid hype lives on.
There are many, many more articles

Burials on Hart Island, where New York's unclaimed lie in mass graves, have risen fivefold
April 16, 2020 at 5:39 p.m. EDT
NEW YORK
During the coronavirus pandemic, the mass-grave burials of indigent New Yorkers whose families could not be found or who could not afford a private funeral have quintupled, officials said, growing from an average of 25 per week to 120 at its highest in recent weeks. They're happening five days a week now instead of one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hart-island-mass-graves-coronavirus-new-york/2020/04/16/a0c413ee-7f5f-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html
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Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves
Hmmm. I don't recall this taking place. Maybe I just missed it.

Covid is far from the Bubonic Plague.
May 27, 2020
It was nearly two months ago when the first white refrigerated trucks began to appear on the streets of New York City. They were meant as a temporary solution to help overwhelmed hospitals and morgues house the bodies of people who had succumbed to Covid-19. The pandemic has now left nearly 30,000 dead in New York and about 205 of the vehicles, sent by the Federal Emergency Management Agency or purchased by the medical examiner's office, are stationed across the city.
Normally these trucks are used to transport refrigerated groceries. But for weeks they've sat outside nearly all of the city's hospitals, in parking lots, next to parks, outside subway entrances and at four temporary morgue locations.
What happens when thousands of people die in a dense city and there's not enough room to store their bodies? Their remains become your new neighbors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html?searchResultPosition=10

Your article is an opinion piece from the New York Times. Did you even read it? It talks about refrigerated trucks, not mass graves.

The Covid hype lives on.
There are many, many more articles

Burials on Hart Island, where New York's unclaimed lie in mass graves, have risen fivefold
April 16, 2020 at 5:39 p.m. EDT
NEW YORK
During the coronavirus pandemic, the mass-grave burials of indigent New Yorkers whose families could not be found or who could not afford a private funeral have quintupled, officials said, growing from an average of 25 per week to 120 at its highest in recent weeks. They're happening five days a week now instead of one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hart-island-mass-graves-coronavirus-new-york/2020/04/16/a0c413ee-7f5f-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html

Such burials had more to do with the unclaimed part than the Covid part. But it was sure good fuel for the pandemic panic!
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Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.

Yes, they helped with the at risk demographic groups, but the mass grave and nursing home disasters happened in earliest days, long before the vaccines were on-line.
Osodecentx
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.

Yes, they helped with the at risk demographic groups, but the mass grave and nursing home disasters happened in earliest days, long before the vaccines were on-line.
I agree. My point is the vaccines helped early on in the pandemic. Trump deserves credit for the rapid development of the vaccine.
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Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.
There were more COVID deaths from November 2021 to February 2022 than there were in the first 6 months of the Pandemic. Daily deaths were higher in January 2022 than they were in April or May of 2020. I coincided those time periods because that was when NYC was mass burying people and we hadn't figured out how to quarantine the vulnerable.
You believe the Covid vaccine had no effect or a deleterious effect on the death rate of the elderly?
I believed it did. I'm concerned about the reality of long term analysis.
I think I understand your position. You believed the vaccine was helpful but in the long run harmful because you believe naturally acquired immunity is more durable than vaccine immunity.
Yes. I'm also concerned that we've settled into a vaccine approach that didn't have the efficacy that was expected, and the answer seems to be doubling down on the same approach via boosting, which studies are showing that booster performance isn't much improvement over original vaccination. I'm not anti vaccine, I'm pro better vaccine, and being honest about what the performance has been. Given the endemic nature of COVID now, the money is probably in therapeutics like paxlovid instead of a new vax for Pharma.
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

ATL Bear said:

joseywales said:

whiterock said:

It's almost as if we could asses the truth of an idea by gauging how ruthlessly it is suppressed.



Yeah its called herd immunity and it takes time to get millions of people to this condition, before that you need vaccines.

I had two friends that believed as you did and they both refused the vaccines as much as I begged them too,now are both dead!!! middle aged guys with no health complications and covid killed them. Glad people like you were not around when they invented the vaccines that throughout our history that has prevented millions of people from contracted deadly illnesses.
America is filled with scientific illiterates who talk out their ass about things they know nothing aout because of their belief system in politics or religion. Let me know when you wanna go visit these guys families and tell them their loved ones did the right thing refusing the vaccine and then tell me how covid vaccines were a goverment conspiracy.
These vaccines didn't really assist with herd immunity. The strains they were developed for had mutated out of broad spread as they were rolled out. Herd immunity implies stopping spread. Clearly that didn't materialize from the vaccine. It's just as possible they would have perished with the vaccine.
NYC was burying people in mass graves & nursing home residents were being decimated. I think the vaccines helped stem the disaster.

Yes, they helped with the at risk demographic groups, but the mass grave and nursing home disasters happened in earliest days, long before the vaccines were on-line.
I agree. My point is the vaccines helped early on in the pandemic. Trump deserves credit for the rapid development of the vaccine.
On this we agree. Trump is every bit as culpable as Biden. If not more.
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/former-child-actor-jansen-panettiere-231305005.html

Dead at 28. "A cause of death is unknown at this time." Think I will lean towards fentanyl overdose on this one.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/rebels-dl-ryan-keeler-shockingly-passes-away/ar-AA17Ju0C

Ryan Keeler, UNLV football player dead at 20. "The cause of death is not known at the moment."
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/rebels-dl-ryan-keeler-shockingly-passes-away/ar-AA17Ju0C

Ryan Keeler, UNLV football player dead at 20. "The cause of death is not known at the moment."
What do you think?
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Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/rebels-dl-ryan-keeler-shockingly-passes-away/ar-AA17Ju0C

Ryan Keeler, UNLV football player dead at 20. "The cause of death is not known at the moment."
What do you think?
I don't know. I fear that maybe it is another young person that took his own life. Just seems there has been so many suicides in recent years. Perhaps with social media and online news, we just hear about more of them.

Odds have it if somebody under 50 dies these days and the article says "no cause of death is known at this time", it is more than likely one of three things:

1. Suicide
2. Accidental fentanyl overdose
3. Covid vaccine induced heart attack or stroke

What do you think?
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Osodecentx said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/rebels-dl-ryan-keeler-shockingly-passes-away/ar-AA17Ju0C

Ryan Keeler, UNLV football player dead at 20. "The cause of death is not known at the moment."
What do you think?
I don't know. I fear that maybe it is another young person that took his own life. Just seems there has been so many suicides in recent years. Perhaps with social media and online news, we just hear about more of them.

Odds have it if somebody under 50 dies these days and the article says "no cause of death at this time, it is one of three things:

1. Suicide
2. Accidental fentanyl overdose
3. Covid vaccine induced heart attack or stroke

What do you think?
I think the thread was started about young people dying after being vaccinated, yet you keep posting information about people dying without telling us why they died.

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