KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

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So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

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What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

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Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

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Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

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No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

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Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

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Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

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LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

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whiterock said:

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Polls don't matter unless they do or at least show what my argument needs them to show because it's all a conspiracy to….

🇺🇲 2024 GE: Yahoo/YouGov (B+)

Trump: 44% (=)
Biden: 44%
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Trump: 44% (+3)
Whitmer: 41%
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Trump: 45% (+4)
Newsom: 41%
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Biden: 39% (+3)
Haley: 36%
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D33/I27 (D+6) | 12/14-18 | 1,026 RVhttps://t.co/6RNWlJwyLV pic.twitter.com/XgQ51ofPqB

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 20, 2023

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

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So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

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What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

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Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

---

Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

---

No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

---

Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

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Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

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LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

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I'm not stupid.

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

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So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

---

What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

---

Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

---

Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

---

No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

---

Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

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Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

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LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

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I'm not stupid.

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Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Quote:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

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So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

---

What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

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Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

---

Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

---

No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

---

Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

---

Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

---

LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

---

I'm not stupid.

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Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Ron DeSantis / Tim Scott would be a tough ticket to beat.

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Enforcer said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Ron DeSantis / Tim Scott would be a tough ticket to beat.

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You forgot the candidate who received 2.7% of the vote - Jim Ward. Please factor him in there. Don't cherry pick.

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Wangchung said:

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Enforcer said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Ron DeSantis / Tim Scott would be a tough ticket to beat.

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You forgot the candidate who received 2.7% of the vote - Jim Ward. Please factor him in there. Don't cherry pick.

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Run ol Ward against your boy Biden and watch those numbers soar.

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Enforcer said:

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Wangchung said:

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Enforcer said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Ron DeSantis / Tim Scott would be a tough ticket to beat.

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You forgot the candidate who received 2.7% of the vote - Jim Ward. Please factor him in there. Don't cherry pick.

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Run ol Ward against your boy Biden and watch those numbers soar.

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Well said Wangchung. Ward may be the only person who would lose in a head to head race against Biden.

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Ok, to put it slowly for you. It is not that black and white. We are being sold that Trump has won and that there is no need for anyone else to run or be taken seriously. If that is not on topic, I can't help you. You're trying to make an argument over something I haven't said.

I will spell it out since you seem to be a bit slow. The Power Brokers ARE choosing Trump and using the polls and media to sell it. There is NO WAY Trump wins 60% of the vote and wins a General Election. He is THE most hated person in Politics. Yet, all those people will forget that and vote for him, yeah right. What the ****? Point to where ever said Trump would win the general election. My beef is with people like you, who would rather allow Biden back into the White House (even after his chitshow of an adiministration) rather than voting for the orange "boogey man". Face it scooter, you're just like the liberals that are lead around by their emotions.

As for whose fault it is? It is people like you. People that are more interested in a Reality TV show in the White House than an actual adult to Govern. People that got theirs and want to make sure nothing is done to compromise their position, no matter what the consequences. It is the people that will vote for Trump no matter what he does. First, I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, I'll be voting for DeSantis (as I said all along), second, it sounds like you're blaming the people who vote for Trump in the primary. So you don't think that the people who refuse to vote for Trump in the general, hold any blame whatsoever?

Clear enough? You're still bloviating

Now, call me names. That seems to be your response to most people who disagree with you. No, it's my response to idiots who try to avoid answering questions or answer a question that I didn't ask.

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Do you think the RNC power brokers should have the power to determine which candidates people can or can't vote for in a primary? Would you be a-ok with the eliminating primaries all together? Just let the power brokers in the RNC and DNC choose which candidate will be on the ticket?

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You, the "Trump is the nominee because of Polls crowd", and the "NeoCon" hater crowd (really the same as the Trump crowd) are the one that is eliminating Primaries! The first words I wrote were NO VOTES have been cast, Trump has not won ***** Polls are not votes.

As for the Power Brokers, letting people run under their banner? Yes, Trump showed after the 20 election he should not be allowed to run. He lost that privilege with his behavior and actions up to Jan 6th and that speech while still President. So, yes. The RNC should have the power to say. No. Run as an Independent. Trump is a disgrace. That is not the same as the Power Makers picking the Nominee or getting rid of Primaries.

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You're the "Trump can never be elected again" crowd. Where in the hell did I bring up polls, huh? Did I ever once say that Trump was going to win because he's polling better? Dude, you're so off track you don't if you should scratch your watch or wind your ass.

You're the one having a conniption fit because, apparently, polls show Trump ahead.

Get over yourself, you're being led around by your emotions.

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Quote:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

---

So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

---

What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

---

Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

---

Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

---

No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

---

Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

---

Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

---

LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

---

I'm not stupid.

---

Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

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you told me scotus is at risk, i vote for the GOP canidate no matter who in the general now. you and your friends better do the same or as you say, kiss scotus goodbye.

ICYMI, Trump has a history of decent scotus picks..

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Quote:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

---

So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

---

What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

---

Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

---

Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

---

No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

---

Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

---

Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

---

LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

---

I'm not stupid.

---

Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

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Just pointing out the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers and you don't like it because you refuse to acknowledge your own role in allowing a democrat to walk right back into the White House

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Oldbear83 said:

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Republican voters at this time overwhelmingly support making Trump the nominee in 2024.

I don't want Trump to win the nomination, but you would have to be as stupid as Joe or as doped-up as Hunter to miss that fact.

I get it, you hate Trump and are near-Pelosi levels of hysteria that he might win the GOP nomination.

But yes, he can win. Whether he will win, and what else might happen can be speculated, but seriously, you sound like freaking Gavin Newsome, it's not a good look for you.

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KaiBear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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KaiBear said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Quote:

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

---

So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

---

What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

---

Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

---

Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

---

No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

---

Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

---

Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

---

LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

---

I'm not stupid.

---

Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

---

you told me scotus is at risk, i vote for the GOP canidate no matter who in the general now. you and your friends better do the same or as you say, kiss scotus goodbye.

ICYMI, Trump has a history of decent scotus picks..

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Not sure how you guys insist on ignoring the obvious.

There are millions of conservatives who witnessed Trumps behavior after his election loss; and are now susceptible to Dem propaganda that Trump is 'dangerous'.

That Trump might attempt to become a dictator.

And if Trump wins the Republican nomination his will undoubtedly stick his foot in his mouth dozens of times.

Making it easier for the Dems to make their case against him.

And when the dust settles you Trumpsters will blame everyone else but the candidate himself.

Hell you might even believe it.

But the result will be the same. 4 more years of a Dem picking SC appointees.

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Polls don't matter unless they do or at least show what my argument needs them to show because it's all a conspiracy to….

🇺🇲 2024 GE: Yahoo/YouGov (B+)

Trump: 44% (=)
Biden: 44%
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Trump: 44% (+3)
Whitmer: 41%
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Trump: 45% (+4)
Newsom: 41%
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Biden: 39% (+3)
Haley: 36%
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D33/I27 (D+6) | 12/14-18 | 1,026 RVhttps://t.co/6RNWlJwyLV pic.twitter.com/XgQ51ofPqB

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) December 20, 2023

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Polls also influence. And the putting out of a continuous message that the polls show this is over impacts turnout and independent votes. Reporting polling results skews the electorate, which is what they want to happen. Low turn out because it doesn't matter, Trump has it locked up no matter what I do. And the psyop approach that humans want to be on the winning side. You know this if you worked at the CIA. This is how you influence elections!

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Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

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you told me scotus is at risk, i vote for the GOP canidate no matter who in the general now. you and your friends better do the same or as you say, kiss scotus goodbye.

ICYMI, Trump has a history of decent scotus picks..

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Not sure how you guys insist on ignoring the obvious.

There are millions of conservatives who witnessed Trumps behavior after his election loss; and are now susceptible to Dem propaganda that Trump is 'dangerous'.

That Trump might attempt to become a dictator.

And if Trump wins the Republican nomination his will undoubtedly stick his foot in his mouth dozens of times.

Making it easier for the Dems to make their case against him.

And when the dust settles you Trumpsters will blame everyone else but the candidate himself.

Hell you might even believe it.

But the result will be the same. 4 more years of a Dem picking SC appointees.

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not sure how you keep ignoring the obvious, your GOP failed to put up a canidate who could topple Trump and that on the GOP.

Trump losing is on the RNC putting out a ****ty message, having a ****ty ground game, not having real canidates with real messages, and never trumpers like you who dont vote against the Dems progressive moveme t.

It is 100% that simple. Trump is a symptom of a weak ass GOP with no message. Full stop.

Vote Trump out in the primary or get on board the Trump train to save scotus.

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For those of you who are recommending voting for whoever the GOP nominates regardless of their agenda, let me remind you that the only thing worse than electing a progressive democrat is electing a progressive republican. You get the same policies, and own the suck.

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LOL

So it's official .

Trump's excuse for losing this time around will be because folks did not vote for him as they were obligated to.

No issues with the old fat guy under various indictments.

Perish the thought.

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Ok, to put it slowly for you. It is not that black and white. We are being sold that Trump has won and that there is no need for anyone else to run or be taken seriously. If that is not on topic, I can't help you. You're trying to make an argument over something I haven't said.

I will spell it out since you seem to be a bit slow. The Power Brokers ARE choosing Trump and using the polls and media to sell it. There is NO WAY Trump wins 60% of the vote and wins a General Election. He is THE most hated person in Politics. Yet, all those people will forget that and vote for him, yeah right. What the ****? Point to where ever said Trump would win the general election. My beef is with people like you, who would rather allow Biden back into the White House (even after his chitshow of an adiministration) rather than voting for the orange "boogey man". Face it scooter, you're just like the liberals that are lead around by their emotions.

As for whose fault it is? It is people like you. People that are more interested in a Reality TV show in the White House than an actual adult to Govern. People that got theirs and want to make sure nothing is done to compromise their position, no matter what the consequences. It is the people that will vote for Trump no matter what he does. First, I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, I'll be voting for DeSantis (as I said all along), second, it sounds like you're blaming the people who vote for Trump in the primary. So you don't think that the people who refuse to vote for Trump in the general, hold any blame whatsoever?

Clear enough? You're still bloviating

Now, call me names. That seems to be your response to most people who disagree with you. No, it's my response to idiots who try to avoid answering questions or answer a question that I didn't ask.

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Do you think the RNC power brokers should have the power to determine which candidates people can or can't vote for in a primary? Would you be a-ok with the eliminating primaries all together? Just let the power brokers in the RNC and DNC choose which candidate will be on the ticket?

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You, the "Trump is the nominee because of Polls crowd", and the "NeoCon" hater crowd (really the same as the Trump crowd) are the one that is eliminating Primaries! The first words I wrote were NO VOTES have been cast, Trump has not won ***** Polls are not votes.

As for the Power Brokers, letting people run under their banner? Yes, Trump showed after the 20 election he should not be allowed to run. He lost that privilege with his behavior and actions up to Jan 6th and that speech while still President. So, yes. The RNC should have the power to say. No. Run as an Independent. Trump is a disgrace. That is not the same as the Power Makers picking the Nominee or getting rid of Primaries.

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You're the "Trump can never be elected again" crowd. Where in the hell did I bring up polls, huh? Did I ever once say that Trump was going to win because he's polling better? Dude, you're so off track you don't if you should scratch your watch or wind your ass.

You're the one having a conniption fit because, apparently, polls show Trump ahead.

Get over yourself, you're being led around by your emotions.

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So who are the power brokers? Who do you think controls the polls? How do your power brokers control the masses? You don't think reporting that the Nominee race is over, doesn't influence voters. How do you influence an election? Through the legislature and media. That is what we are seeing, this has Bannon written all over it.

Emotions? I can give a **** less. I have ten years and am done. You young guys are the ones screwed and seem willing to lock step in with sociopaths like Trump. He is counting on your logic to win. After all our US blood is being tainted right?

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Power politics is all about WINNING.

And Trump can't.

Bernie's base was furious when their boy got the shaft.

But they certainly are now glad to have woke Biden than another 4 years of Trump.

Republicans just don't have the leadership or guts to dump Trump.

So Dems get another 4 years to make Supreme Court appointments.

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So, you're answer is to stay home and not vote Trump if he wins the primary? Okay.

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What you and other members of Trumps base are failing to grasp, is that there are millions of voters who have reached the same conclusion.

His behavior after Election Day in 2020 was inexcusable.


So either read the realities of the situation, nominate someone who can win the general election or merely practice a new set of excuses.

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Sorry, I'm not his base. I'm a DeSantis voter.

What you fail to realize, is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him during a general election, then your partly at fault for a democrat walking right back into the White House.

Now that, is the reality of the situation.

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Ridiculous

If your logic applied Dems would have allowed Ol Bernie to win their 2020 nomination.

But they were smart enough and ruthless enough to take control of the situation and WIN the White House.

But at least it's obvious now what Trumpsters new post election mantra is going to be.

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No, what's ridiculous is that if Trump wins the primary and you refuse to vote for him in the general election, then you won't share some of the blame for Biden (or whoever) to waltz right back into the White House.

So, tell me, you think it's okay for the party power brokers to choose who people can and can't vote for in a primary election? A simple yes or no will do.

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Power brokers need produce their parties most viable candidate.

Bernie has his super motivated base. But Dem power brokers did the smart thing.

You would rather lose and blame anyone than that old, fat narcissistic currently under state AND federal indictments.

Wake the **** up.

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Well, damn the primary process then. Maybe

You'd rather lose and blame anyone but yourself for Biden walking back into the White House, when you choose not to vote for the boogey man n the general election.

So, spare us your sanctimonious BS while you sit in your glass house throwing stones at those lowly Trump supporters who are exercising their right to vote the person they want to see in the White House>

Maybe it's you that needs to wake the **** up

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LOL

If you really believe our ignorant masses predominantly determine who becomes the party nominees ……I have a Rolex Day Date to sell you for only $ 65,000.


Naivety has its place in Churches, universities and the internet.

However with the Supreme Court clearly at risk within the next 4 years; such naivety involving the electability of an old mega narcissist currently under both state and federal indictments is inexcusable.

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I'm not stupid.

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Might not be stupid but you are certainly naive.

And demanding that independents, women, younger voters and the millions of Americans who were disgusted by Trumps post election loss antics, vote the way you wish is ridiculous.

So you are either very young, very inexperienced or know nothing about past presidential elections.

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Just pointing out the Never Trumpers will be as much to blame as the Only Trumpers and you don't like it because you refuse to acknowledge your own role in allowing a democrat to walk right back into the White House

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Again

That is a ridiculous, naive attitude.

One that the Dems were smart enough to avoid.

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For those of you who are recommending voting for whoever the GOP nominates regardless of their agenda, let me remind you that the only thing worse than electing a progressive democrat is electing a progressive republican. You get the same policies, and own the suck.

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Sigh..... Our next POTUS will be either the Dem nominee, or the GOP nominee. and regardless who that is, the GOP nominee will cause less suck than the Dem nominee.

So....

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KaiBear said:

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Republican voters at this time overwhelmingly support making Trump the nominee in 2024.

I don't want Trump to win the nomination, but you would have to be as stupid as Joe or as doped-up as Hunter to miss that fact.

I get it, you hate Trump and are near-Pelosi levels of hysteria that he might win the GOP nomination.

But yes, he can win. Whether he will win, and what else might happen can be speculated, but seriously, you sound like freaking Gavin Newsome, it's not a good look for you.

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I do not hate Trump.

Remains what he has always been; a self centered ego maniac.

But only now he is too old to pull it off another political miracle.
Only now Trump is facing state and federal indictments.

Not everyone outside of this group of old white guys are going to be unaffected by these indictments when they case their votes.


What I do hate is the absence of Republican leadership. Most of whom have been in politics long enough to know Trump has little chance of repeating his 2016 miracle.

But Trump and his money intimidate them. They don't wish to risk their cushy DC perks.

So they are going to let the Dems dictate the 2024 election narratives; and win.

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

So it's official .

Trump's excuse for losing this time around will be because folks did not vote for him as they were obligated to.

No issues with the old fat guy under various indictments.

Perish the thought.

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4th and Inches said:

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LOL

After Trump loses in November you will be calling me worse things.

You boys just can not get over your Trump hate.

And the Dems are going to take full advantage of it.

Or something like that..

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KaiBear said:

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LOL

After Trump loses in November you will be calling me worse things.

You boys just can not get over your Trump love.

And the Dems are going to take full advantage of it.

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KaiBear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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LOL

After Trump loses in November you will be calling me worse things.

You boys just can not get over your Trump hate.

And the Dems are going to take full advantage of it.

Or something like that..

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No Trump hate.

He just can't win the general.

Enjoy the primaries. No doubt Trump will get you boys all excited.

Will be talking about polls every other day.


Then about in mid October reality will begin the sink in.

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KaiBear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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LOL

After Trump loses in November you will be calling me worse things.

You boys just can not get over your Trump hate.

And the Dems are going to take full advantage of it.

Or something like that..

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No Trump hate.

He just can't win the general.

Enjoy the primaries. No doubt Trump will get you boys all excited.

Will be talking about polls every other day.


Then about in mid October reality will begin to sink in.

Followed by the new blame game.

' Folks didn't vote like they were OBLIGATED to '.

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