Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
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Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
it isnt a binary choice.. it will most likely be 4 choices on election dayMothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
4th and Inches said:it isnt a binary choice.. it will most likely be 4 choices on election dayMothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
in polling RFK has pulled enough votes for Trump to win by as much as 11%KaiBear said:4th and Inches said:it isnt a binary choice.. it will most likely be 4 choices on election dayMothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Possibly 4 choices on Election Day .
However only 2 will have any chance of winning.
This was so funny
— ib (@Indian_Bronson) January 27, 2024
Nothing she was afraid of happening happened, the Chuds didn’t get anything they wanted (you can quibble about Roe’s overturn but it hasn’t changed much) from MAGA, but this was a glorious moment of utter REBUKE
Children being told “no” for once, finally https://t.co/3RIEWcyMd8
Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
He wouldn't agree to the only thing that could possibly save his career in national politics at this point? Not even you can think he's that stubborn.FLBear5630 said:If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
Reagan did it. He sees himself as a non-VP, especially to someone that has similar credentials and is in his age bracket. If he is the VP to Haley, that is 8 years. The VP is not going to primary the President running for a 2nd term. The puts his Presidential run almost a decade away. He will finish Governor strong and become a voice for the conservative wing. He will challenge next cycle.Sam Lowry said:He wouldn't agree to the only thing that could possibly save his career in national politics at this point? Not even you can think he's that stubborn.FLBear5630 said:If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
I didn't mean it as an insult. You've always been very adamant that DeSantis wouldn't accept a VP position, but things have changed. That article is from a few days before the Iowa Caucus. Of course he's not going to say he'll accept it then.FLBear5630 said:Reagan did it. He sees himself as a non-VP, especially to someone that has similar credentials and is in his age bracket. If he is the VP to Haley, that is 8 years. The VP is not going to primary the President running for a 2nd term. The puts his Presidential run almost a decade away. He will finish Governor strong and become a voice for the conservative wing. He will challenge next cycle.Sam Lowry said:He wouldn't agree to the only thing that could possibly save his career in national politics at this point? Not even you can think he's that stubborn.FLBear5630 said:If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
Not even me? F-off, Sam...
DeSantis slams the door shut to being Haley's VP 'under any circumstances' (msn.com)
FLBear5630 said:If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
You could tell I was joking, right? Not insulted at all. Just have a tendency to treat this Board like we are good naturedly talking in a bar.Sam Lowry said:I didn't mean it as an insult. You've always been very adamant that DeSantis wouldn't accept a VP position, but things have changed. That article is from a few days before the Iowa Caucus. Of course he's not going to say he'll accept it then.FLBear5630 said:Reagan did it. He sees himself as a non-VP, especially to someone that has similar credentials and is in his age bracket. If he is the VP to Haley, that is 8 years. The VP is not going to primary the President running for a 2nd term. The puts his Presidential run almost a decade away. He will finish Governor strong and become a voice for the conservative wing. He will challenge next cycle.Sam Lowry said:He wouldn't agree to the only thing that could possibly save his career in national politics at this point? Not even you can think he's that stubborn.FLBear5630 said:If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
Not even me? F-off, Sam...
DeSantis slams the door shut to being Haley's VP 'under any circumstances' (msn.com)
My bad, couldn't tell. Cheers, then!FLBear5630 said:You could tell I was joking, right? Not insulted at all. Just have a tendency to treat this Board like we are good naturedly talking in a bar.Sam Lowry said:I didn't mean it as an insult. You've always been very adamant that DeSantis wouldn't accept a VP position, but things have changed. That article is from a few days before the Iowa Caucus. Of course he's not going to say he'll accept it then.FLBear5630 said:Reagan did it. He sees himself as a non-VP, especially to someone that has similar credentials and is in his age bracket. If he is the VP to Haley, that is 8 years. The VP is not going to primary the President running for a 2nd term. The puts his Presidential run almost a decade away. He will finish Governor strong and become a voice for the conservative wing. He will challenge next cycle.Sam Lowry said:He wouldn't agree to the only thing that could possibly save his career in national politics at this point? Not even you can think he's that stubborn.FLBear5630 said:If she could convince him. He sees himself more like Reagan, a Governor/Chief Executive. I can't see him agreeing to #2.ATL Bear said:She could up her Trump factor with DeSantis as VP.FLBear5630 said:Bingo. Haley is not dropping out because she will be the last Candidate standing. Putting MAGA and Trump supporters in the exact same position they tout right now, "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Trump?"KaiBear said:Mothra said:A few things...Oldbear83 said:** Sigh **KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:Even so, the truth is that Trump can win. Maybe he won't, and maybe if he wins he will do a lousy job, but only an idiot or a liar would claim he cannot win with what we know at this time.KaiBear said:Oldbear83 said:
KaiBear: "Trump can't win the general "
The polls and 2016 say otherwise. While 2016 won't exactly repeat, neither will 2020.
Trump may win, or he may lose. But saying he can't win is a lie straight out of Biden's mouth.
That is absurd.
Only about 20-30 people participate in this message board .
How can you consistently ignore the political realities of Trumps legal problems ?
He just lost over 80 million dollars in a civil suit.
Do you really think this helps his case with independents ?
Really think the state and federal charges are just going to magically disappear ?
Or that independent voters won't care ?
Think !
1. Trump gains support every time his enemies launch another trial, have you not noticed that?
2. There is zero chance that amount stands up to the appeal, especially given the judge's behavior in the case.
3. Yes, Biden is so bad that this will not hurt Trump with independents. Trump can hurt himself if he says something incredibly stupid, which is a real possibility with Trump, but no, this lawfare crap is obvious for what it is.
4. Whatever happens in the federal cases will be held in limbo until after the election. Zero chance that the appeals court lets anything conclude prior to the election.
Seriously dudes stop taking your cues from CNN and use that pudding between your ears. I know it's the fashion these days to assume Trump supporters are all brain-dead morons, but while I am still unhappy with DeSantis dropping out of the race, I recognize that Trump's base is large and deeper than many realize. And for good or ill, Trump is not going away in this election, and anyone who thinks today's events change anything significant is fooling him/herself.
1) Those who support Trump when he runs into legal issues are all MAGA. He's not gaining support among the demographics and swing states he needs as a result of the legal issues. No poll is showing that. All of the swing states are very much in doubt, and most lean Biden.
2) Whether it stands up on appeal doesn't prevent collection efforts, unless Trump files a bond that is 1 1/2 times the amount of the judgment. That's around $120 million. Doubtful he's going to be able to obtain a bond in that amount, IMO. So while I think the judge gave him plenty of appellate points, that judgment is a big problem for him.
3) Could Trump win? It is a possibility of course. The question is, is it likely? Sorry, just not seeing that. When it comes down to a binary choice, it's highly doubtful that even those who are unhappy with Biden will pull the trigger for Trump. Polls sometimes send a message to the candidate you support, telling him you are unhappy with the job he's done. But when push comes to shove, it's highly doubtful the Biden supporters will be voting for Trump this time around. Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, and he's far less popular now than he was then.
4) Trump's problem isn't the federal cases as much as the state cases, IMO, which will not be held in limbo.
Not sure how anyone can reasonably ignore your information here and suppose Trump will win in November.
IMO it's now Nikki Haley or Biden.
Trump is finished and if Republicans are too scared to dump him the country could be finished as well.
They will have the "Will you vote for Biden or not vote, because you dislike Haley?"
Not even me? F-off, Sam...
DeSantis slams the door shut to being Haley's VP 'under any circumstances' (msn.com)
Only 27% of Americans with a high school diploma or less approve of the president’s job performance. For Americans with post graduate degrees, that number increases to 50% https://t.co/PjQX0RC03E
— a newsman (@a_newsman) January 28, 2024
FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
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R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
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6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
on a national poll, a GOP canidate being up 2 is right at or outside the MOE.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
What is the margin of error?
4th and Inches said:on a national poll, a GOP canidate being up 2 is right at or outside the MOE.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
What is the margin of error?
It will get wider when you introduce RFK and Stien(or it has recently)
most recently its +5 Trump and it has been as high as + 8 Trump when factoring in RFK in polling.FLBear5630 said:4th and Inches said:on a national poll, a GOP canidate being up 2 is right at or outside the MOE.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
What is the margin of error?
It will get wider when you introduce RFK and Stien(or it has recently)
We are looking at a dead heat with horrible candidates. The difference is Biden can effect change, Trump can only comment. I don't think this is the lock they think.
4th and Inches said:most recently its +5 Trump and it has been as high as + 8 Trump when factoring in RFK in polling.FLBear5630 said:4th and Inches said:on a national poll, a GOP canidate being up 2 is right at or outside the MOE.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
What is the margin of error?
It will get wider when you introduce RFK and Stien(or it has recently)
We are looking at a dead heat with horrible candidates. The difference is Biden can effect change, Trump can only comment. I don't think this is the lock they think.
Dont under estimate how big a lead +2 to +5 is where GOP/Trump wins the popular vote. GOP hasnt won the popular vote since W second term.
normally, you are the ruthlessly pragmatic one.FLBear5630 said:4th and Inches said:on a national poll, a GOP canidate being up 2 is right at or outside the MOE.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
What is the margin of error?
It will get wider when you introduce RFK and Stien(or it has recently)
We are looking at a dead heat with horrible candidates. The difference is Biden can effect change, Trump can only comment. I don't think this is the lock they think.
The big money is coming on board......FLBear5630 said:4th and Inches said:most recently its +5 Trump and it has been as high as + 8 Trump when factoring in RFK in polling.FLBear5630 said:4th and Inches said:on a national poll, a GOP canidate being up 2 is right at or outside the MOE.FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, they did. They didn't impeach Bush 43! Twice! Bush 43 won a second term in 2004, it was a day of accountability (remember?). I guess 2020 wasn't.whiterock said:again, why would they do that against one Republican, but not another? Did they treat Bush 43 any better than Trump?FLBear5630 said:There is a difference between being rigged, which means that they are cheating to pre-determine a winner, and throwing every obstacle in his way within the existing rules. The Dems EXCEL at the second part, throwing every obstacle in his way to either keep him from winning OR making sure nothing gets done (He is playing Defense his whole term, like last time).whiterock said:Both of you need to think thru very carefully that part in bold. That is the premise of your argument. It presumes the game is already rigged. From there, a number of other fallacies flow, chiefly:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:
The 2024 election will fundamentally be a repeat of 2020.
Only Biden will win be a wider margin this go round.
Republicans deserve what's coming ; but the American people don't.
I fear you are right. They are not going to allow Trump to win. Hell, they may not allow him to be on the ballot if the court cases go their way.
I see Trump getting 90 million and losing. They will harvest, drop box, water main break, and outright collect every vote possible. No fraud, all legit people, just illegitimately collected just like 2020.
Or, I will be wrong and Trump will ride a Biden wave in to office. If he does, I just hope he governs and ignores the Dems. Not yet drawn into four years of fighting. I was better off under Trump, but will they let him?
1) If Democrats are not going to allow Trump to win, they are not going to allow ANY Republican to win.
2) If Democrats have such power, does it not prove correct Trump's allegations about 2020?
The Dems will use every obstacle they can find and when the investigation occurs it will be within the allowable processes so nothing sticks. They did it during the Trump Administration, they did in the 2020 election and now they are doing it with Trump the Candidate. This is what a Trump Administration will be like, Congressional Investigations, Impeachments, Law Suits on every Executive Action and the media on full "Jim Acosta Mode".
Sorry, we can't as a Nation afford 4 more years of that ***** Not for Trump or anyone else. Haley has more of a chance to get something done, not that it will be easy but she is at least willing to NOT continue to throw gasoline on a fire. Trump never learned that lesson, he is more interested in the Tweet or Rally punchline than getting anything done.
A little at a loss to understand why you cannot see the faulty premise of your reasoning here. If Dems really can do the things you say they will do against Trump, how on earth could you find a logical basis to conclude they would not do it against every other Republican, everywhere, all the time? (The only answer of course, is that they would not oppose a Republican who cooperates with them, to give their radicalism the fig-leaf of mainstream support. Dems would not accept such a construction placed upon them, so why should Republicans?)
We are going to have one of two things for the next 4 years: An other BIden term, which is a ****-show orders of magnitude greater than the one we experience under Trump, or we are going to have a repeat of 2016-2020. We can easily survive the latter, as nearly everything except the sensibilities of the estrogen-adjacent did pretty well during that time-frame. Biden, on the other hand, has got us in a pickle.
Dadburnit, man. What have you been smoking that leads to to presume that conservatives, to protect the nation, have a moral duty to go along with revolutionary progressive BS that is destroying the country?
What are you smoking to think Trump is going to do 206-2020 all over?? He will be lame duck, this is the Vendetta tour he said it himself. This is going to be nothing but fighting over Trump for 4 years. You seriously think Trump will be effective?????
I'm not the one smoking stuff. Look at indie numbers🇺🇲 NATIONAL POLL: Morning Consult
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 29, 2024
Trump: 44% [-1]
Biden: 42% [+2]
Independents
Trump: 42% [+4]
Biden: 30% [+2]
—
R. Primary
Trump: 81% [=]
Haley: 18% [=]
[Change vs January 21]
—
6,487 RV (Pres) | 4,044 R's | 1/26-28https://t.co/RI5a7YGIdy pic.twitter.com/xIYt9lMkcW
What is the margin of error?
It will get wider when you introduce RFK and Stien(or it has recently)
We are looking at a dead heat with horrible candidates. The difference is Biden can effect change, Trump can only comment. I don't think this is the lock they think.
Dont under estimate how big a lead +2 to +5 is where GOP/Trump wins the popular vote. GOP hasnt won the popular vote since W second term.
We will see. So far, you are right on IA and NH. Although seems strange to annoint based on two small states. Fear that light that MAGA sees is a train and it will be too close to election to react effectively.
RCP General Election Averages:
— Tom Bevan (@TomBevanRCP) January 30, 2024
2-Way: Trump +3.9https://t.co/QjDgaG8iNI
3-Way: Trump +3.7https://t.co/GZMafTA8EO
5-Way: Trump +5.6https://t.co/CBzmb0ZsTP
"If the 2024 election were between President Joe Biden and former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, who would you vote for?"
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) January 30, 2024
All Voters-
Biden: 38%
Haley: 36%
Someone Else: 21%
Not Sure: 6%
Election 2024: Trump, DeSantis Lead Biden. Haley? Nope. https://t.co/WTQxI6ua3m https://t.co/FH351U1mCL
📊 TEXAS GE: @hobbyschooluh
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) January 30, 2024
Trump: 49% (+9)
Biden: 40%
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Haley: 43% (+4)
Biden: 39%
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Trump: 52% (+13)
Harris: 39%
YouGov | 1,145 LV | 1/11-24 | ±2.5%https://t.co/PPzGW4yqmv pic.twitter.com/x8xk0Je9CN
