Female shooter at Nashville Christian school

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muddybrazos
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ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ATL Bear said:

Guns in the hands of the mentally unstable has always been a recipe for disaster. Too bad we can't have honest discussions about the mental health issues of transgenderism.


In state after state in the south, we are are removing background checks.


can you give an example of this? I was not aware that anyone was removing background checks.
The only way a background check is removed in South Carolina is if you go through the Concealed Weapons Permit process. Then you can buy a firearm without the wait time and the fbi check since you are a CWP holder. I am pretty sure that is how it works in most of the other Southern states as well.
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ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
ShooterTX
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muddybrazos said:

ShooterTX said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

ATL Bear said:

Guns in the hands of the mentally unstable has always been a recipe for disaster. Too bad we can't have honest discussions about the mental health issues of transgenderism.


In state after state in the south, we are are removing background checks.


can you give an example of this? I was not aware that anyone was removing background checks.
The only way a background check is removed in South Carolina is if you go through the Concealed Weapons Permit process. Then you can buy a firearm without the wait time and the fbi check since you are a CWP holder. I am pretty sure that is how it works in most of the other Southern states as well.
Yeah, but that is because to get a CWP you must go through a much more intensive FBI background check. That is the way it has been in Texas for decades.

I'm just calling out this liar on his obvious string of lies that he posted.

Guns create violence in the same way forks & spoons create obesity.
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BornAgain said:

White House press secretary says it's republicans fault for shootings.
She'd say that if "Big Guy" Joe was shooting up a school himself.
Oldbear83
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Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
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cms186
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cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
Still wrong. There are others.

And the point is that you cannot talk about the lack of gun crime in a country that forcibly took guns away from their citizens and then sends in the military to execute people at will, jail anyone who speaks out or pretend that their lack of gun crime somehow proves gun laws work.
there aren't, the Falklands and New Caledonia are part of the UK and France respectively, they are not individual countries, the next highest is Serbia and Montenegro, who both lie at just under 40, even if i am wrong, the USA has more than double the amount of any other country in the world, you are the only country in the world where the amount of Civilian owned firearms exceeds the number of civilians.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-ownership-by-country

https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/database/global-firearms-holdings

You can quibble all you like, but any developed country that has strict Gun Laws, doesnt have a major problem with Gun Crime
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cms186
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Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
really? I mean, theres a **** load of competition for that unwanted title, the Nanjing Massacre saw 2-300k people killed, along with rape and pillaging, the purging by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia saw 2 million, there the obvious example of the Holocaust with an approx 6 million deaths (or indeed the Nazi genocides against occupied Poland and Soviet Union, which, whilst less well known than the victims of the Holocaust, still saw a combined number of Deaths of around 5 million people)
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Wangchung
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cms186 said:

Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
really? I mean, theres a **** load of competition for that unwanted title, the Nanjing Massacre saw 2-300k people killed, along with rape and pillaging, the purging by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia saw 2 million, there the obvious example of the Holocaust with an approx 6 million deaths (or indeed the Nazi genocides against occupied Poland and Soviet Union, which, whilst less well known than the victims of the Holocaust, still saw a combined number of Deaths of around 5 million people)
65,000,000 dead humans since 1970s. Pro-abortion folks put Hitler to shame in the body count department.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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Why again is Abortion so important for our Government? votes?
Wangchung
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BornAgain said:

Why again is Abortion so important for our Government? votes?
We have to make room for the 3rd world's poor.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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Wangchung said:

cms186 said:

Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
really? I mean, theres a **** load of competition for that unwanted title, the Nanjing Massacre saw 2-300k people killed, along with rape and pillaging, the purging by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia saw 2 million, there the obvious example of the Holocaust with an approx 6 million deaths (or indeed the Nazi genocides against occupied Poland and Soviet Union, which, whilst less well known than the victims of the Holocaust, still saw a combined number of Deaths of around 5 million people)
65,000,000 dead humans since 1970s. Pro-abortion folks put Hitler to shame in the body count department.


And Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot

Its a hard thing to even ponder how we have let that many children be murdered.
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Just the occasional dictatorship, and of course street crime by criminals delighted that the general population is defenseless.
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To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
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redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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cms186 said:

Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
really? I mean, theres a **** load of competition for that unwanted title, the Nanjing Massacre saw 2-300k people killed, along with rape and pillaging, the purging by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia saw 2 million, there the obvious example of the Holocaust with an approx 6 million deaths (or indeed the Nazi genocides against occupied Poland and Soviet Union, which, whilst less well known than the victims of the Holocaust, still saw a combined number of Deaths of around 5 million people)
I don't mean by amount, but by pure brutality.

I don't even want to write about what they did to infants.
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Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Yeah, while an honest media would help, I'm not sure this is what caused it.

Reality is, media always has a slant and that's been forever.

I think the operative phrase in your comment is "this nut".

That's truly what you are dealing with and the rest doesn't matter much.

How do you mitigate "the nut"?

That's the root problem.

The only way I can see is to harden the target and that has several disadvantages in itself.
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redfish961 said:

Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Yeah, while an honest media would help, I'm not sure this is what caused it.

Reality is, media always has a slant and that's been forever.

I think the operative phrase in your comment is "this nut".

That's truly what you are dealing with and the rest doesn't matter much.

How do you mitigate "the nut"?

That's the root problem.

The only way I can see is to harden the target and that has several disadvantages in itself.
When we faced a much more dramatic example in teh 9/11 terrorists, we literally shut down air travel for a month then hardened the target around the world to a degree that was almost unbelievable - to the point where it became pointless to try to repeat the incident. Eventually, it passed. I think we're going to have to do something like that here - harden schools to the point where this is just really, really difficult. Break the cycle.

Also, we need a national agreement on media treatment of these horrible people. They do this for the attention - the idea that this is the most public middle finger possible. They do it to feel powerful after feeling powerless. Take that from them. NO publicity for these people. Their name is NEVER said. NO pictures, ever. No interviews with their families. You can't force that from a government perspective, but it should be cultural - you do not let them have the thing they want.

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OsoCoreyell said:

redfish961 said:

Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Yeah, while an honest media would help, I'm not sure this is what caused it.

Reality is, media always has a slant and that's been forever.

I think the operative phrase in your comment is "this nut".

That's truly what you are dealing with and the rest doesn't matter much.

How do you mitigate "the nut"?

That's the root problem.

The only way I can see is to harden the target and that has several disadvantages in itself.
Also, we need a national agreement on media treatment of these horrible people. They do this for the attention - the idea that this is the most public middle finger possible. They do it to feel powerful after feeling powerless. Take that from them. NO publicity for these people. Their name is NEVER said. NO pictures, ever. No interviews with their families. You can't force that from a government perspective, but it should be cultural - you do not let them have the thing they want.
This 100%. The same goes with hollywood glorifying serial killers like Ted Bundy.
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redfish961 said:

Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Yeah, while an honest media would help, I'm not sure this is what caused it.

Reality is, media always has a slant and that's been forever.

I think the operative phrase in your comment is "this nut".

That's truly what you are dealing with and the rest doesn't matter much.

How do you mitigate "the nut"?

That's the root problem.

The only way I can see is to harden the target and that has several disadvantages in itself.
In most cases Id agree with you but this trans person had a manifesto. The vast majority of media lie and claim "don't say gay" bills exist and that bills restricting children from live adult themed performances, that restrict minors from maiming themselves with hormones and surgery, is really anti trans hatred. It's a straight up lie meant to enrage leftists and it did exactly that, just like all the rhetoric from Obama helped stoke instant protests in America any time a black criminal got hurt or killed while being a criminal.

"Self defense laws are racist! He had his hands up! All cops are *******s! ICE is like the Nazis!" (Followed up by 568 violent blm riots and ICE facilities being firebombed)
"Being against abortion means you hate women!"(Assassination attempt on Justice Kavanaugh followed by illegal protests outside justices homes)
"Being against taking children to watch grown men in women's lingerie dancing erotically means you hate trans people!"
(Followed up by multiple trans/ alphabet cult shootings)

The dots are there to connect.
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Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Yeah, while an honest media would help, I'm not sure this is what caused it.

Reality is, media always has a slant and that's been forever.

I think the operative phrase in your comment is "this nut".

That's truly what you are dealing with and the rest doesn't matter much.

How do you mitigate "the nut"?

That's the root problem.

The only way I can see is to harden the target and that has several disadvantages in itself.
In most cases Id agree with you but this trans person had a manifesto. The vast majority of media lie and claim "don't say gay" bills exist and that bills restricting children from live adult themed performances, that restrict minors from maiming themselves with hormones and surgery, is really anti trans hatred. It's a straight up lie meant to enrage leftists and it did exactly that, just like all the rhetoric from Obama helped stoke instant protests in America any time a black criminal got hurt or killed while being a criminal.

"Self defense laws are racist! He had his hands up! All cops are *******s! ICE is like the Nazis!" (Followed up by 568 violent blm riots and ICE facilities being firebombed)
"Being against abortion means you hate women!"(Assassination attempt on Justice Kavanaugh followed by illegal protests outside justices homes)
"Being against taking children to watch grown men in women's lingerie dancing erotically means you hate trans people!"
(Followed up by multiple trans/ alphabet cult shootings)

The dots are there to connect.

Okay, I appreciate the reply and understand.

At the end of the day, we have to find a solution for this particular problem in order to protect innocent kids.

In my opinion, there will always be some sort of racism, tribalism, or whatever you want to call it.

As humans, we are wired this way, but we don't have to follow it in most instances.

Most of us don't anymore, but it seems like it's the small percentage that drives the bus anymore and that's where we get divided.

The small percentage is loud and vocal and the rest of us just watch and say look at this crazy **** without doing much but observing.

As the country gets more populated, there will be more crazy observed and it's almost inevitable.

We need to harden the targets and I don't see many other options to help mitigate the problem.

You will never cure the problem, but you can mitigate it.
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Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

Wangchung said:

redfish961 said:

To me, the big question is how do you mitigate these instances and can it realistically be done?

While I think gun regulation could be better, I don't see a ban on particular weapons being of much use. Better regulations would be preferred, in my opinion, rather than any ineffective ban.

Criminals are going to be criminals and they will find a way to circumvent any laws, which they don't care about anyways.

All that being said, as I have stated before, I think the answer is hardening the target. Perhaps figure out ways to enable defense of a school that would discourage an individual from selecting that target.

That's a hard nut to crack because costs and ability may be limited and probably will.

For every reason I can think of a solution, I can think of 2 that would decrease quality of life or take away freedoms.

Do we just consider this type of incident collateral damage or is there something that can truly be done about it?

I wish I could think of the answer, but I'm afraid heartbreak may just be part of the program.

I don't accept that notion.
An honest media would have prevented this specific attack. This nut was enraged by all the false claims of anti-trans bills and took it out on Christian children.
Yeah, while an honest media would help, I'm not sure this is what caused it.

Reality is, media always has a slant and that's been forever.

I think the operative phrase in your comment is "this nut".

That's truly what you are dealing with and the rest doesn't matter much.

How do you mitigate "the nut"?

That's the root problem.

The only way I can see is to harden the target and that has several disadvantages in itself.
In most cases Id agree with you but this trans person had a manifesto. The vast majority of media lie and claim "don't say gay" bills exist and that bills restricting children from live adult themed performances, that restrict minors from maiming themselves with hormones and surgery, is really anti trans hatred. It's a straight up lie meant to enrage leftists and it did exactly that, just like all the rhetoric from Obama helped stoke instant protests in America any time a black criminal got hurt or killed while being a criminal.

"Self defense laws are racist! He had his hands up! All cops are *******s! ICE is like the Nazis!" (Followed up by 568 violent blm riots and ICE facilities being firebombed)
"Being against abortion means you hate women!"(Assassination attempt on Justice Kavanaugh followed by illegal protests outside justices homes)
"Being against taking children to watch grown men in women's lingerie dancing erotically means you hate trans people!"
(Followed up by multiple trans/ alphabet cult shootings)

The dots are there to connect.

I agree. No one thought we needed bills prohibiting teachers from telling kids about the teacher's sex life and that they can chose their gender because for all of history, we never had to. So the progressives push an agenda to "change society" and "tear down the system," as if any society has ever been radically changed or torn down without the attendant social strife and breakdown. Then when the horrible crap happens, they disclaim responsibility for it by saying that this is the result of some kind of oppression. They make the kids sick in the head and blame others for the crazy stuff that happens. Its disgusting and I'm sick of it.
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Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
Horrific, but not even top 5 maybe even 10.
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ATL Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
Horrific, but not even top 5 maybe even 10.
If consider what they did to China, Korea, and the Philippines it doesn't get any worse. There isn't as much proof but Philippines might have had it the worse as they were stuck between Japan causing as much psychological harm to the population as they possibly could and the US military trying to make a statement.
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ATL Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

ron.reagan said:

cowboycwr said:

Doc Holliday said:

cms186 said:

cowboycwr said:

cms186 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

cms186 said:

bearsocal said:

cms186 said:

chriscbear said:

More gun control needed obviously.
no, you're right, im sure your thoughts and prayers will be enough
What purposed gun control measure would have stopped this?
Well the details on this particular incident aren't even known yet, so knowing what would have stopped "this" isnt possible
Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in all of the world. Their country of 126 million people had a total of 30,968 homicides in 2022. The United States, made up of 327 million people, had 26,031 homicides in 2022.

Strict gun control laws only embolden the criminals and leave citizens much more vulnerable to violent crime.
Mexico has strict Gun Laws (though there are still an estimated 15 guns per 100 people in Mexico, which is about average compared to most other countries in the world, the ONLY country in the world with more than 40 guns per 100 people in population is the USA), sure, and a poorly combatted problem with organised crime, what about ALL the other countries with strict gun control laws, like Australia, Singapore, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, China etc.?
False- there are other countries with over 40 per 100 people. But don't let facts ruin your talking points.

china.... you really want to list China for gun control laws when they are the BIGGEST violator of human rights in the world and are in an active government sponsored genocide....
Sorry, you are (semi) correct, there is one other country other 40, Yemen

Yes they are and if we were talking about Human rights or State sponsored Genocide, then you might have a point, but we arent
I don't think you understand how deplorable people in the US are.



If you did this in a major city in the US, there would be fighting or even bloodshed over the money. Japan has horrible living wages and labor and they still don't tear each other apart.
We can learn a lot from Japan. Like how during the WBC a home run ball was passed around the crowd for people to take pictures with it and returned to the person who caught it. Or how their crowd cleans up the stadium after a world cup match or Olympic event (even areas they were not sitting in or even how their kids spend part of the day cleaning their own schools.
Maybe they got all the bad out in those few decades of committing the worst atrocities in human history
Yep.

The Nanjing massacre is literally THE WORST atrocity committed by mankind.
Horrific, but not even top 5 maybe even 10.
Can we just agree that was abhorrent to all decency and absolutely inhuman?

Let's leave rankings for Sports and Rock Albums.
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"I have no idea...I am more interested in chocolate chip ice cream!"

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Jack Bauer said:

"I have no idea...I am more interested in chocolate chip ice cream!"




Pretty cringe worthy for him to be making a political joke in this context.
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muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
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Swanni said:

muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
If you vote Democrat then you damned sure do empower people who incite violence through their rhetoric. You might identify as a non-violent Christian but your votes for Democrats says otherwise.
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Wangchung said:

Swanni said:

muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
If you vote Democrat then you damned sure do empower people who incite violence through their rhetoric. You might identify as a non-violent Christian but your votes for Democrats says otherwise.
Like Trump empowered the January 6th invasion. Oops, he's a Repub and therefore not capable of violence or encouraging it. I've voted for both parties. Can you say the same? Do you watch anything besides Fox who is being sued for 1.6 Billion for overt defamation? Do you read? Do you even read more than one newspaper? Educate yourself. It's a good thing. There are good right wing thoughts and good left wing things. Oh the evil of not allowing an ASSAULT weapon is repulsive to you. If you need 30 rounds plus to hit anything; you're just a really bad shot. Don't believe anyone should Wangchung tonight. Blocking you so won't be involved in your senseless dialogue.
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Swanni is quite the Internet Nazi.

We see that a lot in these Biden Days ...
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Swanni said:

muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
No politician truly encourages(yet) violence in this country. But both sides sure as hell love to claim the other one does. I think Dems do it more but they also seem to have a broader definition of what violence is, so that tracks.
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bearsocal said:

Swanni said:

muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
No politician truly encourages(yet) violence in this country. But both sides sure as hell love to claim the other one does. I think Dems do it more but they also seem to have a broader definition of what violence is, so that tracks.

Don't disagree. It's your fault, no it's yours is the code of media and politicians.
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Oldbear83 said:

Swanni is quite the Internet Nazi.

We see that a lot in these Biden Days ...
Is that like being the Soup Nazi? Your thoughts are yours, but I don't recall me not having the right to my own.
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Swanni said:

Wangchung said:

Swanni said:

muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
If you vote Democrat then you damned sure do empower people who incite violence through their rhetoric. You might identify as a non-violent Christian but your votes for Democrats says otherwise.
Like Trump empowered the January 6th invasion. Oops, he's a Repub and therefore not capable of violence or encouraging it. I've voted for both parties. Can you say the same? Do you watch anything besides Fox who is being sued for 1.6 Billion for overt defamation? Do you read? Do you even read more than one newspaper? Educate yourself. It's a good thing. There are good right wing thoughts and good left wing things. Oh the evil of not allowing an ASSAULT weapon is repulsive to you. If you need 30 rounds plus to hit anything; you're just a really bad shot. Don't believe anyone should Wangchung tonight. Blocking you so won't be involved in your senseless dialogue.
A lot of posters here understand that it's a uniparty keeping the people at each others throats so they can make out like bandits. If you think it's a bunch of Fox News junkies and die hard Trump fans, you're mistaken.
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Swanni said:

Wangchung said:

Swanni said:

muddybrazos said:

SIC EM 94 said:

So a transgender freak murders adults and children at a Christian school…are we allowed to bring up "hate crime" or no? Just curious


This is absolutely a hate crime and should be treated no different than if this was a Jewish synagogue that was shot up. Instead the left ecourages this behavior and there will be no tweet from the ADL condemning this terrorism bc they hate Christians.
Don't usually respond to this type of thinking but you're an idiot for saying that the left encourages violence. I'm a Christian and sometimes on the left. I neither encourage violence nor the idiocy of this sort of thing. What were you thinking to post this ? Read a book. Don't just watch Fox. Educate yourself beyond the far right BS. You'll like yourself for it n
If you vote Democrat then you damned sure do empower people who incite violence through their rhetoric. You might identify as a non-violent Christian but your votes for Democrats says otherwise.
Like Trump empowered the January 6th invasion. Oops, he's a Repub and therefore not capable of violence or encouraging it. I've voted for both parties. Can you say the same? Do you watch anything besides Fox who is being sued for 1.6 Billion for overt defamation? Do you read? Do you even read more than one newspaper? Educate yourself. It's a good thing. There are good right wing thoughts and good left wing things. Oh the evil of not allowing an ASSAULT weapon is repulsive to you. If you need 30 rounds plus to hit anything; you're just a really bad shot. Don't believe anyone should Wangchung tonight. Blocking you so won't be involved in your senseless dialogue.

That's a cute rant but actions are far more persuasive than the rant of a halfwit mouthbreather trying to justify supporting abortion, sexual deviancy, violence and still trying to identify as a Christian. The intent behind your democrat votes means nothing when we look at the resulting policy. You vote for kids being mutilated so their parents can have a pet trans monster to show off to their friends so you can call yourself open minded. We see violence from you leftists daily, so spare me your fake outrage over January 6th.
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