NEW: German outlet BILD stated on Dec 14 that unspecified intelligence findings and sources indicate that Russia plans to occupy Ukrainian territory beyond the four illegally annexed Ukrainian oblasts throughout 2024-2026.

🧵1/2 pic.twitter.com/v0zISpe2Bu

— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) December 16, 2023

“It is starting to dawn on them that we destroyed their country.” Powerful article by @matt_bivens, MD.

READ IT HERE ⬇️ https://t.co/ArtnDCSRSU pic.twitter.com/C4Bv3stFfG

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) December 15, 2023

5/ Putin has not described what change to the UKR Armed Forces would constitute “demilitarization,” although Russia’s goal is almost certainly to strip UKR of the means to defend itself and allow Russia to impose its will upon UKR through force whenever the Kremlin so chooses.

— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) December 15, 2023

NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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“It is starting to dawn on them that we destroyed their country.” Powerful article by @matt_bivens, MD.

READ IT HERE ⬇️ https://t.co/ArtnDCSRSU pic.twitter.com/C4Bv3stFfG

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) December 15, 2023

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Great article (except for their citing of the artificially low KIA numbers for the UAF invented by the same malcontents that kept the war going).

Particularly the part that exposes how profiteering, not national security considerations drive NATO expansion.

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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Tucker who?

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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Numbers from August

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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Numbers from August

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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Numbers from August

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This is your fiction, not mine

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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Numbers from August

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Fiction? Forbes reported he had good numbers.

[6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

You seem to think they are dated numbers.

So give us the correct figures or get lost

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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Numbers from August

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What are the updated numbers?

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This is your fiction, not mine

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Fiction? Forbes reported he had good numbers.

[6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

You seem to think they are dated numbers.

So give us the correct figures or get lost

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The Forbes article is dated August 1

You're trying to scam the nice people

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NEW - Tucker Carlson, David Sacks, and Congresswoman Luna talk about Biden blocking a peace deal at the start of the Ukraine War, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians.@TuckerCarlson: "This war wouldn't be still in progress, were it not for the… pic.twitter.com/QyXH2GOsVK

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 13, 2023

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Tucker isn't pulling in the same viewership as he once did.

Needs to find a new platform or Tucker could finally disappear.

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[The most recent Episode 11, where Carlson conducted an interview with rapper Ice Cube has been seen just 6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

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Numbers from August

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What are the updated numbers?

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This is your fiction, not mine

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Fiction? Forbes reported he had good numbers.

[6.1 million times since it was posted last Thursday. However, those are still numbers that any prime-time cable news channel producer or executive would kill for.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/08/01/tucker-carlsons-viewership-is-down-but-still-outpacing-cable-news/?sh=3106eb7424b7

You seem to think they are dated numbers.

So give us the correct figures or get lost

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The Forbes article is dated August 1

You're trying to scam the nice people

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I was not the one who brought up Tuckers viewer numbers in the first place.

Again, do you have updated viewer numbers from after August? Or are you here to just gripe and moan and not provide us any facts?

Twitter/X views on a video are not like watching a TV program. Analytics would bear that out and I guarantee way less than a million actually watched any of Carlson's videos. A Twitter/X view works about like counting a TV viewership every time you scroll by a channel. Post analytics will tell the real story (such as how many stayed past a minute and other time points) and I doubt Forbes got access to that or Tucker shared it. Instead they just pull the little "views" stat on the post. I'm sure millions saw that Tucker posted an interview with Ice Cube or any assortment of guests as he has lots of followers and is a promoted brand, but how many actually take the time to watch his interviews is a much much smaller number.

Well, he has launched his own subscription based network. Let's see how it does. He started out strong but some of his more recent internet interviews and interviewees have been a bit underwhelming. Personally I think he would have done better if he had joined an existing network like BlazeTV. An annual subscription based service just for his material is more like a substack vlog than a real network.

I'm going to subscribe just because he is one of the few journalists who doesn't lie to advance mainstream narratives.

https://tuckercarlson.com/join/

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I have spoken to numerous Ukrainian government officials during my 18 months in Kyiv and not one has ever indicated there was a "peace deal on the table", nor is there any evidence one ever existed; it's a simple lie. https://t.co/Udj5cOLI5e

— Jimmy Rushton (@JimmySecUK) December 15, 2023

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what?
Wait a minute!

Nato was not even offering NATO membership for Ukraine?

Somebody shoulda told the Russians to call the whole thing off.

obviously, this is America's fault. No way Putin would be doing this if Nato was not engaging in expansionism.

Boris Akunin, the writer who single-handledly returned interest to literature for millions of Russian readers and sold 30 million copies, is declared a terrorist by Putin's government. His books are banned in Russia, and even saying anything in support of him is now a crime.… pic.twitter.com/0LXMzQpxfg

— Konstantin Sonin (@k_sonin) December 18, 2023

In true autocrat fashion...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/russias-putin-imposes-new-curbs-on-election-reporting

'The changes Putin greenlighted limit coverage of Central Election Commission sessions to registered media outlets, which could exclude freelancers or independent journalists, according to the reports on Tuesday. The amendments prohibit media from reporting on the commission's actions at military bases or in areas under martial law without advance clearance from regional and military authorities.

They also bar the publication of any campaign content on "blocked sources", referring to restricted websites and social media services. Under an intensifying crackdown on the opposition and the flow of information, Russia has banned an array of websites and services, including Facebook and Instagram.'



'To enforce this ban, the Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media also reportedly plans to block certain virtual private networks (VPNs) that Russians widely use to bypass internet restrictions. The state-owned news agency RIA quoted the ministry on Sunday as saying that it could block certain "VPN services and VPN protocols" that an expert commission identifies as a "threat."



Russia's self-nominated candidates for president must submit paperwork to the Central Election Commission by December 27, while party-nominated candidates must do so by January 1, said commission member Natalia Budarina.

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On December 7, the Federation Council passed a resolution setting the date of the Russian presidential election as March 17, 2024.

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Probably why Navalny turned up "missing" from his most recent prison location.

Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Your "Western Guilt" sounds exactly like the ultra-progressives "White Guilt". Go far enough one way and you're the exact same person you bltch about on the other side.

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Your "Western Guilt" sounds exactly like the ultra-progressives "White Guilt". Go far enough one way and you're the exact same person you bltch about on the other side.

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White guilt is woke nonsense.

Banks and mega corporations bankrolling politicians to benefit themselves is a FACT.

Putin got the 'Lord of War/Merchant of Death' Viktor Bout released in exchange for petty dope fiend basketball player Brittney Griner, We're not serious people my guy. Its embarrassing.

There's a reason why DC won't do anything about mass illegal immigration, healthcare costs, inflation and any of the other insane bs screwing the middle class. It has everything to do with who benefits financially from these problems. How can America help Ukraine when we can't even stop millions of illegals from crossing the border, can't stop fentanyl, lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and so on?

Ukraine is exhausting its young combatants and their injuries will be chronic/long lasting. Further they loses their labor productivity. They'll have a country of old men, also wounded, that have no positive economic yield. Taxes cant cover this cost.

Anybody who is actually familiar with the defense industry, listens to every earnings call and etc, knew the Ukraine war was gonna have a short shelf life and asymmetrical advantage to Russia once they got air cover and their defense industry ramped up.

Economics of war isn't new.

And It's Gone: "War In Ukraine" Quietly Scrubbed From WaPo Masthead

"It's over" - comments investigative journalist Kit Klarenberg after noticing that The Washington Post quietly deleted a prominent tab from its Masthead.

What was a long featured "War in Ukraine" tab, which had been there from the start of the war going back to Feb. 2022 has disappeared.

The reality of the Russian victory will eventually be acknowledged here as well, even by the most die-hard Boeing/Lockheed/Raytheon investors.

Oh, by the way, the Russian army has broken through in the south and cut off that vaunted UAF bridgehead that was supposed to be the prelude to their great Crimean victory.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Your "Western Guilt" sounds exactly like the ultra-progressives "White Guilt". Go far enough one way and you're the exact same person you bltch about on the other side.

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White guilt is woke nonsense.

Banks and mega corporations bankrolling politicians to benefit themselves is a FACT.

Putin got the 'Lord of War/Merchant of Death' Viktor Bout released in exchange for petty dope fiend basketball player Brittney Griner, We're not serious people my guy. Its embarrassing.

There's a reason why DC won't do anything about mass illegal immigration, healthcare costs, inflation and any of the other insane bs screwing the middle class. It has everything to do with who benefits financially from these problems. How can America help Ukraine when we can't even stop millions of illegals from crossing the border, can't stop fentanyl, lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and so on?

Ukraine is exhausting its young combatants and their injuries will be chronic/long lasting. Further they loses their labor productivity. They'll have a country of old men, also wounded, that have no positive economic yield. Taxes cant cover this cost.

Anybody who is actually familiar with the defense industry, listens to every earnings call and etc, knew the Ukraine war was gonna have a short shelf life and asymmetrical advantage to Russia once they got air cover and their defense industry ramped up.

Economics of war isn't new.

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No, they are not. You just don't understand them. Banks don't make any money when their collateral is getting bombed and/or seized by foreign powers.

You are taking a valid concept, that some business models profit from war, and expanding it to absurd proportions.

a reminder what military aid to ukraine prevents:

if kyiv fell, projected military bases on the border with nato pic.twitter.com/Iz6sZER61i

— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) December 19, 2023

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Your "Western Guilt" sounds exactly like the ultra-progressives "White Guilt". Go far enough one way and you're the exact same person you bltch about on the other side.

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White guilt is woke nonsense.

Banks and mega corporations bankrolling politicians to benefit themselves is a FACT.

Putin got the 'Lord of War/Merchant of Death' Viktor Bout released in exchange for petty dope fiend basketball player Brittney Griner, We're not serious people my guy. Its embarrassing.

There's a reason why DC won't do anything about mass illegal immigration, healthcare costs, inflation and any of the other insane bs screwing the middle class. It has everything to do with who benefits financially from these problems. How can America help Ukraine when we can't even stop millions of illegals from crossing the border, can't stop fentanyl, lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and so on?

Ukraine is exhausting its young combatants and their injuries will be chronic/long lasting. Further they loses their labor productivity. They'll have a country of old men, also wounded, that have no positive economic yield. Taxes cant cover this cost.

Anybody who is actually familiar with the defense industry, listens to every earnings call and etc, knew the Ukraine war was gonna have a short shelf life and asymmetrical advantage to Russia once they got air cover and their defense industry ramped up.

Economics of war isn't new.

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No, they are not. You just don't understand them. Banks don't make any money when their collateral is getting bombed and/or seized by foreign powers.

You are taking a valid concept, that some business models profit from war, and expanding it to absurd proportions.

a reminder what military aid to ukraine prevents:

if kyiv fell, projected military bases on the border with nato pic.twitter.com/Iz6sZER61i

— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) December 19, 2023

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Its not going to end in an all or nothing scenario.

After Ukraine can't manage any longer, a peace deal will be brokered where Russia gains a portion of Ukraine. The rest of Ukraine will be financially seized by western interests.

The west and Russia are divvying up the spoils of war. Watch it happen.

Realitybites said:

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And It's Gone: "War In Ukraine" Quietly Scrubbed From WaPo Masthead

"It's over" - comments investigative journalist Kit Klarenberg after noticing that The Washington Post quietly deleted a prominent tab from its Masthead.

What was a long featured "War in Ukraine" tab, which had been there from the start of the war going back to Feb. 2022 has disappeared.

The reality of the Russian victory will eventually be acknowledged here as well, even by the most die-hard Boeing/Lockheed/Raytheon investors.

Oh, by the way, the Russian army has broken through in the south and cut off that vaunted UAF bridgehead that was supposed to be the prelude to their great Crimean victory.

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Lol Zerohedge and a Greyzone "quote". Might as well post RT. At least it would show the source of their vatnik propaganda.

Oh and by the way, no they haven't:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-19-2023

Russian and Ukrainian forces engaged in positional engagements on the east (left) bank of Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast. Ukrainian forces reportedly retained their positions in Krynky on the east bank despite Russian counterattacks in the area.[57] Russian and Ukrainian sources indicated that both sides are effectively using drones in the Kherson direction, and Russian forces reportedly continue facing equipment shortages necessary for evacuation of wounded on the east bank.[58]

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Your "Western Guilt" sounds exactly like the ultra-progressives "White Guilt". Go far enough one way and you're the exact same person you bltch about on the other side.

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White guilt is woke nonsense.

Banks and mega corporations bankrolling politicians to benefit themselves is a FACT.

Putin got the 'Lord of War/Merchant of Death' Viktor Bout released in exchange for petty dope fiend basketball player Brittney Griner, We're not serious people my guy. Its embarrassing.

There's a reason why DC won't do anything about mass illegal immigration, healthcare costs, inflation and any of the other insane bs screwing the middle class. It has everything to do with who benefits financially from these problems. How can America help Ukraine when we can't even stop millions of illegals from crossing the border, can't stop fentanyl, lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and so on?

Ukraine is exhausting its young combatants and their injuries will be chronic/long lasting. Further they loses their labor productivity. They'll have a country of old men, also wounded, that have no positive economic yield. Taxes cant cover this cost.

Anybody who is actually familiar with the defense industry, listens to every earnings call and etc, knew the Ukraine war was gonna have a short shelf life and asymmetrical advantage to Russia once they got air cover and their defense industry ramped up.

Economics of war isn't new.

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a reminder what military aid to ukraine prevents:

if kyiv fell, projected military bases on the border with nato pic.twitter.com/Iz6sZER61i

— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) December 19, 2023

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So this war was always about getting NATO military bases closer to Russia?

Good to see people are dropping the charade that the war in Ukraine was being conducted by the US leadership to "save democracy".

About as ludicrous as Putin's "we are going into Ukraine to fight Nazis"

It was and is all about geo-strategic military power plays

Doc Holliday said:

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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whiterock said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Putting Ukrainians through the meat grinder = profit for western banks/corporations.

When are y'all going to learn that the last 70 years has been 100% about MONEY? People worship money, why is this news for y'all?

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Dude. Are you seriously saying that the ONLY interests which benefit from supporting Ukrainian defense of their territory are western banks/corporations? That western banks/corporations start every war just to make money? No one in Russia makes a dime from war?

Western business interests forced Western governments to force Russia to invade Ukraine so that western business interests could make profit from war?

The Cold War was just a business model for western business interests and had nothing to do with Russian imperial ambitions?

Have you lost your ever-lovin' mind?

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The motivation for all parties is profit. Imperial ambition is the same thing as seeking profit: capturing land, ownership, people.

The Ukrainian government is making out like bandits while the Ukrainian people are getting hoodwinked.

It's not the Ukrainian people's land if they win, it will be either the west or Russia's land. The west will capture it through rebuild: blackrock with $411 BILLION on the table already.

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so, again. you think the Ukrainian people are completely indifferent as to whether their government is in Kyiv or Moscow?

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If the west couldn't capitalize on the situation then the west would be indifferent.

Same situation is happening elsewhere and we don't give a damn.

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Your "Western Guilt" sounds exactly like the ultra-progressives "White Guilt". Go far enough one way and you're the exact same person you bltch about on the other side.

---

White guilt is woke nonsense.

Banks and mega corporations bankrolling politicians to benefit themselves is a FACT.

Putin got the 'Lord of War/Merchant of Death' Viktor Bout released in exchange for petty dope fiend basketball player Brittney Griner, We're not serious people my guy. Its embarrassing.

There's a reason why DC won't do anything about mass illegal immigration, healthcare costs, inflation and any of the other insane bs screwing the middle class. It has everything to do with who benefits financially from these problems. How can America help Ukraine when we can't even stop millions of illegals from crossing the border, can't stop fentanyl, lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and so on?

Ukraine is exhausting its young combatants and their injuries will be chronic/long lasting. Further they loses their labor productivity. They'll have a country of old men, also wounded, that have no positive economic yield. Taxes cant cover this cost.

Anybody who is actually familiar with the defense industry, listens to every earnings call and etc, knew the Ukraine war was gonna have a short shelf life and asymmetrical advantage to Russia once they got air cover and their defense industry ramped up.

Economics of war isn't new.

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Russian victory in Ukraine would be more valuable to the defense industry than the trickle of relatively inexpensive weaponry we're sending now. A greater direct Russian threat would only lead to the justifiable necessity for the really expensive defensive and offensive armaments and positions.