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Sam Lowry said:

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You already know my opinion. I'm asking what you would do. Short of committing American troops to a five or ten-year war with potentially hundreds of thousands killed (if we're lucky and it doesn't go nuclear), how are you going to win?

What we're doing now has no significant effect and isn't a strategy for victory. It's just a way of buying time. The question you need to ask yourself is, buying time for what?

You may find you don't like the answer.

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Buying time for negotiated Peace that is NOT all Russia's way. This is going to end up with a buffer/DMZ. Ukraine has lost Dombas and Crimea. Ukraine will enter NATO and this is over.

That is the what. And I like it fine. It meets all the requirements and the DMZ keeps Poland and the Baltics happy. Done. Biden is the ******* that is keeping it going, Trump ends it in 3 months.

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Russia would have to be in a much, much worse position before they'd even talk about Ukraine entering NATO. So that just brings us back to the question of how to get there.

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Keep going obviously.

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What does that mean? Another year of so-called stalemate? Escalation with NATO troops? Missile strikes on the Kremlin?

"Just keep doing something" isn't a plan.

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Sure it is, you have to cause Putin enough pain to bring him to the table.

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Which we're not doing, at least not on our terms. These attacks aren't changing anything on the battlefield. If they led to a major setback, or even any setback, that might be causing pain. Then you'd have some semblance of a strategy.

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Putin is complaining about targets being hit in Russia and talking about peace, Putin is feeling pain.

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He's made half a dozen offers, and each one is worse than the last. That is not a sign of feeling pain.

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His offers have not gotten worse.

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You don't think Russia keeping four provinces is worse than two? That's interesting.

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He's demanded 4 from the start.

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No. See Istanbul and Minsk, among others.

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But the Russians rejected that approach publicly in the first days of April. "Among our non-negotiable demands," Medinsky later recalled, "were the recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea [and] the recognition of the independence of the Donbass republics." There was no prospect that Ukraine could have kept its eastern territories by agreeing to neutrality.

Minsk was 15 years ago and wasn't followed anways.

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Donbas = two provinces.

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Wait, what 4 are you talking about then?

Edit: I got it now. I was including Crimea. You were including Kherson and Zap.

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Right. Kyiv and Odesa will be if we keep this going.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You already know my opinion. I'm asking what you would do. Short of committing American troops to a five or ten-year war with potentially hundreds of thousands killed (if we're lucky and it doesn't go nuclear), how are you going to win?

What we're doing now has no significant effect and isn't a strategy for victory. It's just a way of buying time. The question you need to ask yourself is, buying time for what?

You may find you don't like the answer.

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Buying time for negotiated Peace that is NOT all Russia's way. This is going to end up with a buffer/DMZ. Ukraine has lost Dombas and Crimea. Ukraine will enter NATO and this is over.

That is the what. And I like it fine. It meets all the requirements and the DMZ keeps Poland and the Baltics happy. Done. Biden is the ******* that is keeping it going, Trump ends it in 3 months.

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Russia would have to be in a much, much worse position before they'd even talk about Ukraine entering NATO. So that just brings us back to the question of how to get there.

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Keep going obviously.

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What does that mean? Another year of so-called stalemate? Escalation with NATO troops? Missile strikes on the Kremlin?

"Just keep doing something" isn't a plan.

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Sure it is, you have to cause Putin enough pain to bring him to the table.

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Which we're not doing, at least not on our terms. These attacks aren't changing anything on the battlefield. If they led to a major setback, or even any setback, that might be causing pain. Then you'd have some semblance of a strategy.

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Putin is complaining about targets being hit in Russia and talking about peace, Putin is feeling pain.

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He's made half a dozen offers, and each one is worse than the last. That is not a sign of feeling pain.

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So, your position is that it is not only OK for Putin to invade a sovereign Nation, but no one can help the invaded Nation and cannot even provide them ammunition.

Should we wash his windshield too while at it? Maybe require Ukraine to only test fire into the sea with any US weapons? Your position is ludicrous.

We should help Ukraine as long as Ukraine needs help. That is what allies do.

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My position is that it's past time to stop moralizing and start strategizing. Telling Russia "that's not okay" is, once again, not a strategy.

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Supplying weapons, Intel and aid is a strategy.

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No. It is not a strategy unless you can explain how it leads to victory.

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You just don't agree with it. What military action guarantees victory? Especially if you are out manned?

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He's got a faulty premise that he cannot/will not drop, no matter how many times it has been pointed out to us. Providing weapons to a sovereign country is not an act of war.

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You know very well that we're not just providing weapons.

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Of course! We have had intel liaison since Ukrainian independence and likely a broad range of military training in and out of country. Plus observers.


That's what great powers do!

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Everyone on both sides knows we're committing acts of war against Russia.

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Not one time. Not one single act. No matter how hard you try......

The act of war was when Russia invaded Ukraine.

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How far am I willing to go? That is the wrong question, how far is Ukraine? I would go as far as they want to go at this level. It is not for us to tell them what to give up of their Nation. You have this Paternalistic, dare I say Colonial, view that you know what is best for poor backward Ukraine. I disagree, let them decide. They are the ones that have to defend their freedom, not us. We are doing less than the French did for the US.

If Ukraine wants to settle, I am all for that too. It is up to them how far they want to go. I support the US honoring that. I do believe they should be in NATO and if allowed in when the Baltics, Romanians and Plans. If we had the guts to not half ass Budapest none of this happens.

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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It will be NATO vs China at some point. I think it should consider expanding to Japan and S Korea. We learned in 1938 that isolationism is a thing of the passed.

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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Since I was a kid this country has gone down the toilet.

We're spending $892 Billion in the current fiscal year on interest payments. This ends in catastrophe if we don't get our sh it together. Defeating Russia will mean nothing if we don't get our home in order.

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Agree, but if we don't reduce entitlements, cuts elsewhere also mean nothing.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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It will be NATO vs China at some point. I think it should consider expanding to Japan and S Korea. We learned in 1938 that isolationism is a thing of the passed.

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If NATO or China wins, it ends with a giant government that's hell bent on turning this world into an anti Christian 1984-esque hellscape.

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There is a third choice??? You think living with China dominating will be more for individual freedom than NATO/US???? The world you guys want hasn't existed since pre-civil war. You are not paring back the Fed to "Constitutional levels" and the US being isolationist. Best we do is keep is manage it and keep US top economic power. Give me NATO over Chinese anyway.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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It will be NATO vs China at some point. I think it should consider expanding to Japan and S Korea. We learned in 1938 that isolationism is a thing of the passed.

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If NATO or China wins, it ends with a giant government that's hell bent on turning this world into an anti Christian 1984-esque hellscape.

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There is a third choice??? You think living with China dominating will be more for individual freedom than NATO/US???? The world you guys want hasn't existed since pre-civil war. You are not paring back the Fed to "Constitutional levels" and the US being isolationist. Best we do is keep is manage it and keep US top economic power. Give me NATO over Chinese anyway.

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I'm not saying to be isolationist or that stopping Russia isn't the right thing to do.

Congress is over here waving Ukrainian flags and simultaneously allowing 12 million illegals to pour in. The behavior of our politicians and bureaucracy is just as much of a threat against our way of life as Russia or China.

Does them bending over backwards for Ukraine while sh itt ing on us not piss you the hell off?! It makes my blood boil. What I'm asking is do you have the same concern against our own that you do against Russia?

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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Since I was a kid this country has gone down the toilet.

We're spending $892 Billion in the current fiscal year on interest payments. This ends in catastrophe if we don't get our sh it together. Defeating Russia will mean nothing if we don't get our home in order.

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Agree, but if we don't reduce entitlements, cuts elsewhere also mean nothing.

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You are not making meaningful cuts to get out of this. You are not dealing with a 30 T debt knocking off 1-2% in Opsa year. The only answer is expand economy. Be more concerned with generating more revenue and less with trying to cut what 50% don't want you to cut.

That is the one aspect of the current mind set I agree, new markets, new tech, new resources (space, arctic, asteroid, moon). We will never deal with what you are worried about, by cutting and contracting.

Dems ****ed up implementation with fossil fuels. We need it all. Fossil, alternative, fission, fusion, etc... time to be aggressive, not retracting.

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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I'd love to see a picture of the interior of your house to see about this 'low buying power'. C'mon! Show us how low the buying power of the American citizen is. What's your weekly grocery bill? How much do you spend/month on that family cell phone plan?

I'll take a quick guess and assume you have 2 or more vehicles at the house newer than 2018 as well.

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trey3216 said:

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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I'd love to see a picture of the interior of your house to see about this 'low buying power'. C'mon! Show us how low the buying power of the American citizen is. What's your weekly grocery bill? How much do you spend/month on that family cell phone plan?

I'll take a quick guess and assume you have 2 or more vehicles at the house newer than 2018 as well.

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I'm in the 95th percentile of earners for my age, so comparing me to average or even above average isn't going to jive with the vast majority of workers.

People are going to have to live very minimalistic to be able to make ends meet and retire. That's also exactly what your response to me implies. Sure we can all live in trailer homes and live just above poverty and survive...but is that acceptable to you?

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Not at all. People just have to be smart how they spend their money. Pay yourself first. Cash flow everything possible. Make assets pay for other assets. They don't need to be $3mm piles flowing cash to do fund everything. Small cash flows create small assets. Those assets create their own cash flows that help them grow to bigger assets. Start planning early and don't deviate. I'm not saying eat Ramen noodles and drive 1988 Camry's. I"m telling people to just be smart and work with someone who can help you implement a cash flow plan. Piling it into the best returning mutual fund ain't gonna do shlt for you if you can't access it


My response to you is that you whine and complain about things and can't relate to them at all. Even the lowest quartile of American wage earners lives a better life than about 95% of the people in the world.

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Doc Holliday said:

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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I'd love to see a picture of the interior of your house to see about this 'low buying power'. C'mon! Show us how low the buying power of the American citizen is. What's your weekly grocery bill? How much do you spend/month on that family cell phone plan?

I'll take a quick guess and assume you have 2 or more vehicles at the house newer than 2018 as well.

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I'm in the 95th percentile of earners for my age, so comparing me to average or even above average isn't going to jive with the vast majority of workers.

People are going to have to live very minimalistic to be able to make ends meet and retire. That's also exactly what your response to me implies. Sure we can all live in trailer homes and live just above poverty and survive...but is that acceptable to you?

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Not at all. People just have to be smart how they spend their money. Pay yourself first. Cash flow everything possible. Make assets pay for other assets. They don't need to be $3mm piles flowing cash to do fund everything. Small cash flows create small assets. Those assets create their own cash flows that help them grow to bigger assets. Start planning early and don't deviate. I'm not saying eat Ramen noodles and drive 1988 Camry's. I"m telling people to just be smart and work with someone who can help you implement a cash flow plan. Piling it into the best returning mutual fund ain't gonna do shlt for you if you can't access it


My response to you is that you whine and complain about things and can't relate to them at all. Even the lowest quartile of American wage earners lives a better life than about 95% of the people in the world.

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People aren't smart and they never will be. The average IQ in this country is 98...hell most people can't even understand a concept as simple as compound investing. On one hand that is genetics and humanity, on the other its our politicians/bureaucrats mismanaging education for decades.

I want to conserve our standard of living. The current trajectory for the past several decades is not sustainable and the math proves it...we can't continue down the path we're on forever.

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ron.reagan said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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trey3216 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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I'd love to see a picture of the interior of your house to see about this 'low buying power'. C'mon! Show us how low the buying power of the American citizen is. What's your weekly grocery bill? How much do you spend/month on that family cell phone plan?

I'll take a quick guess and assume you have 2 or more vehicles at the house newer than 2018 as well.

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I'm in the 95th percentile of earners for my age, so comparing me to average or even above average isn't going to jive with the vast majority of workers.

People are going to have to live very minimalistic to be able to make ends meet and retire. That's also exactly what your response to me implies. Sure we can all live in trailer homes and live just above poverty and survive...but is that acceptable to you?

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Not at all. People just have to be smart how they spend their money. Pay yourself first. Cash flow everything possible. Make assets pay for other assets. They don't need to be $3mm piles flowing cash to do fund everything. Small cash flows create small assets. Those assets create their own cash flows that help them grow to bigger assets. Start planning early and don't deviate. I'm not saying eat Ramen noodles and drive 1988 Camry's. I"m telling people to just be smart and work with someone who can help you implement a cash flow plan. Piling it into the best returning mutual fund ain't gonna do shlt for you if you can't access it


My response to you is that you whine and complain about things and can't relate to them at all. Even the lowest quartile of American wage earners lives a better life than about 95% of the people in the world.

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People aren't smart and they never will be. The average IQ in this country is 98...hell most people can't even understand a concept as simple as compound investing. On one hand that is genetics and humanity, on the other its our politicians/bureaucrats mismanaging education for decades.

I want to conserve our standard of living. The current trajectory for the past several decades is not sustainable and the math proves it...we can't continue down the path we're on forever.

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I tutored math for 8 years between HS and College and never met a person that couldn't understand such a basic concept. It seems like your inner circle is exceptionally stupid.

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sombear said:

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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But your family didn't have to borrow billions of dollars to pay for your gum.

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My gum budget took up more of my fun budget than Ukraine does for our national budget . . . . .

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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But your family didn't have to borrow billions of dollars to pay for your gum.

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My gum budget took up more of my fun budget than Ukraine does for our national budget . . . . .

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100 BILLION we don't possess but have to borrow in order to give it away.

Yeah that's a rational business model.

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about 90%+ of which was money spent 20-30 years ago on the equipment going there.

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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But your family didn't have to borrow billions of dollars to pay for your gum.

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My gum budget took up more of my fun budget than Ukraine does for our national budget . . . . .

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100 BILLION we don't possess but have to borrow in order to give it away.

Yeah that's a rational business model.

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about 90%+ of which was money spent 20-30 years ago on the equipment going there.

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30 years ago the US government barely acknowledged that Ukraine even existed at all.

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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Since I was a kid, I've been able to walk and chew gum at the same time

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But your family didn't have to borrow billions of dollars to pay for your gum.

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My gum budget took up more of my fun budget than Ukraine does for our national budget . . . . .

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100 BILLION we don't possess but have to borrow in order to give it away.

Yeah that's a rational business model.

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I've posted more times than I can count, usually responding to Red, that I totally understand the argument that we cannot afford to send billions to Ukraine.

What I have never understood, however, is the argument that "we can't do __, but we can do __." Sorry, but that's a 1st grader argument.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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What's the point of global western hegemony if the west is turning into an abusive anti Christian autocratic state that seeks to usurp the power of its citizens into the hands of banks and corporations?

It sucks that our politicians will bend over backwards for Ukraine, but they don't give a rats ass about their own taxpaying citizens. We have mass illegal immigration, out of control inflation, low buying power, media censorship and control, radical leftist cultural movement and the American dream completely dying.

Some of ya'll seem more concerned with Russia than realizing we have enemies at home that seek to destroy us.

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It will be NATO vs China at some point. I think it should consider expanding to Japan and S Korea. We learned in 1938 that isolationism is a thing of the passed.

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If NATO or China wins, it ends with a giant government that's hell bent on turning this world into an anti Christian 1984-esque hellscape.

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There is a third choice??? You think living with China dominating will be more for individual freedom than NATO/US????

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