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Meanwhile, in the country with the second largest military in NATO...

● JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response pic.twitter.com/pOLBGHTNeT

— The Spot (@Spotnewsth) October 28, 2023

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Our dear friends the Turks….

It will be interesting interesting to see how neocons keep their sanity if Turkey declares war, escalation ensues, Israel hits Turkey with an airstrike, and Erdogan invokes Article 5. pic.twitter.com/tSKE5gMVik

— Laocoon of Troy (@LaocoonofTroy) October 29, 2023

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I do not think NATO members would be obligated to help Turkey in a war they declared & started, especially if they allied themselves with terrorists.

Hopefully Islamofascist Erdogan is just blowing smoke & won't actually follow through with his insane rhetoric. It's a very foolish & dangerous game he is playing.

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If Turkey were to declare war on Israel, and Israel retaliates, those other countries may not be obligated to attack Israel , but they may just want to anyway.

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What NATO nation will want to attack Israel besides Turkey? NATO is not attacking Israel. Turkey has been in NATO for 70 years, you think they are going to now go to Russia, Iran and China??

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The first part of your question - when I said "other countries" along with Turkey, I wasn't thinking exclusively NATO countries, so that was my bad. Probably none. But who knows what other NATO countries are thinking. The whole world is drunk on Anti-semitism right now.

Regarding your second question, could Turkey ditch NATO to join Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and the rest in fighting against Israel? Absolutely. WILL they? That remains to be seen. But Just listen to Erdogan. That sounds like a man ready to go to war with Israel. Then where does that leave us? Fight a NATO member or side with Israel? Or do nothing?

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The whole world is not "drunk on Anti-semitism right now." While it is definitely on the rise & very prominent in some places, those are in Muslim countries or western countries with significant Muslim populations. As Henry Kissinger pointed out a couple weeks ago, it was foolish of European countries to import large numbers of foreigners with radically different cultures. We see that manifested in recent weeks & months in places like London & Paris (remember the riots they experienced over the summer?). It's been an ongoing problem for decades but is worse now because of the larger numbers, socioeconomic strains, & the terror attacked by Hamas. Kissinger's mind is still sharp at 100 years old!

That is more likely but I don't expect they will even do that. Right now it seems more rhetorical than anything else. At least I hope that's all it is.

Probably so. She's proving Orwell's point although she might not qualify as an intellectual.

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Maybe but that does not mean they are eager to go to war against Israel, a national literally fighting for its survival.

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Disagree

In my opinion the Turkish military would love the opportunity to fight Israel.

Religious antagonism is sky high and man for man the Turks are bad ass.

The fundamental problem with MAD and Islam is that it doesn't work when you are dealing with hajis who think death while fighting the infidel buys them a trip to Valhalla and 72 virgins.

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Meanwhile, in the country with the second largest military in NATO...

● JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response pic.twitter.com/pOLBGHTNeT

— The Spot (@Spotnewsth) October 28, 2023

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Our dear friends the Turks….

It will be interesting interesting to see how neocons keep their sanity if Turkey declares war, escalation ensues, Israel hits Turkey with an airstrike, and Erdogan invokes Article 5. pic.twitter.com/tSKE5gMVik

— Laocoon of Troy (@LaocoonofTroy) October 29, 2023

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I am becoming more and more convinced this is an AI planned scenario by China and maybe even Russia.

Look at the pieces being moved and the fall out, the fall out is several layers below the expected areas. Turkey creating a NATO Article 5 crisis? This is 3d chess stuff...

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Turkey is not going to do that because dividing/leaving NATO would leave them alone to face off against Russia ambitions in the Black Sea theater. No way they are willing to trade Israel for the entire Caucasus, which is basically what they'd be doing.

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Jordan asks US to deploy Patriot Air Defense systems. Who is Jordan concerned with this morning?

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2023/10/30/jordan-asks-us-to-deploy-patriot-air-defense-systems/

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likely to keep a desperate Hamas from trying to drag Jordan into the war.

Hamas fires rockets into Jordan.
Hamas blames Israel.
World media runs with it like they did the hospital strike.
Jordan (65% palestinian) is in an uproar.
King either goes to war or gets his head staked to the palace gate.

We will leap to do that as it shows we are an honest broker, protecting all sides...Arab, Israeli, doesn't matter. Trying to stabilize the whole region, not just Israel.

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Meanwhile, in the country with the second largest military in NATO...

● JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response pic.twitter.com/pOLBGHTNeT

— The Spot (@Spotnewsth) October 28, 2023

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Our dear friends the Turks….

It will be interesting interesting to see how neocons keep their sanity if Turkey declares war, escalation ensues, Israel hits Turkey with an airstrike, and Erdogan invokes Article 5. pic.twitter.com/tSKE5gMVik

— Laocoon of Troy (@LaocoonofTroy) October 29, 2023

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I do not think NATO members would be obligated to help Turkey in a war they declared & started, especially if they allied themselves with terrorists.

Hopefully Islamofascist Erdogan is just blowing smoke & won't actually follow through with his insane rhetoric. It's a very foolish & dangerous game he is playing.

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If Turkey were to declare war on Israel, and Israel retaliates, those other countries may not be obligated to attack Israel , but they may just want to anyway.

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What NATO nation will want to attack Israel besides Turkey? NATO is not attacking Israel. Turkey has been in NATO for 70 years, you think they are going to now go to Russia, Iran and China??

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The first part of your question - when I said "other countries" along with Turkey, I wasn't thinking exclusively NATO countries, so that was my bad. Probably none. But who knows what other NATO countries are thinking. The whole world is drunk on Anti-semitism right now.

Regarding your second question, could Turkey ditch NATO to join Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and the rest in fighting against Israel? Absolutely. WILL they? That remains to be seen. But Just listen to Erdogan. That sounds like a man ready to go to war with Israel. Then where does that leave us? Fight a NATO member or side with Israel? Or do nothing?

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The whole world is not "drunk on Anti-semitism right now." While it is definitely on the rise & very prominent in some places, those are in Muslim countries or western countries with significant Muslim populations. As Henry Kissinger pointed out a couple weeks ago, it was foolish of European countries to import large numbers of foreigners with radically different cultures. We see that manifested in recent weeks & months in places like London & Paris (remember the riots they experienced over the summer?). It's been an ongoing problem for decades but is worse now because of the larger numbers, socioeconomic strains, & the terror attacked by Hamas. Kissinger's mind is still sharp at 100 years old!

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not the whole world. Just the left.

“Hamas and Hezbollah are social movements that are progressive and are part of the Global Left."

Some of the western left really wants to align themselves with the same terrorists who want to throw them off a roof when all is said and done. pic.twitter.com/6FSKBUUSIV

— Xerxes (@IranAnalyst_) October 30, 2023

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Maybe but that does not mean they are eager to go to war against Israel, a national literally fighting for its survival.

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Disagree

In my opinion the Turkish military would love the opportunity to fight Israel.

Religious antagonism is sky high and man for man the Turks are bad ass.

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If the Turkish leadership really wants to fight a nuclear armed state with a 1st world economy and a highly trained western style military then they are absolutely insane.

Israel is not the Greeks or the Armenians….poor people groups with weak states that the Turks can kick around.

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If the Turks are so weak the US would not have sent two carrier groups into the Mediterranean.

Turkey has a few nukes as well.

Which is why Israel, as incredibly small as it is, will never be the first to use them.

The Israeli military is not what it was 20 years ago.

They can not survive a coordinated attack from Turkey, Iran, and Egypt .

Only thing saving Israel right now is the mistrust between the two Muslim sects and the US Navy.

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Meanwhile, in the country with the second largest military in NATO...

● JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response pic.twitter.com/pOLBGHTNeT

— The Spot (@Spotnewsth) October 28, 2023

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Our dear friends the Turks….

It will be interesting interesting to see how neocons keep their sanity if Turkey declares war, escalation ensues, Israel hits Turkey with an airstrike, and Erdogan invokes Article 5. pic.twitter.com/tSKE5gMVik

— Laocoon of Troy (@LaocoonofTroy) October 29, 2023

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I do not think NATO members would be obligated to help Turkey in a war they declared & started, especially if they allied themselves with terrorists.

Hopefully Islamofascist Erdogan is just blowing smoke & won't actually follow through with his insane rhetoric. It's a very foolish & dangerous game he is playing.

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If Turkey were to declare war on Israel, and Israel retaliates, those other countries may not be obligated to attack Israel , but they may just want to anyway.

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What NATO nation will want to attack Israel besides Turkey? NATO is not attacking Israel. Turkey has been in NATO for 70 years, you think they are going to now go to Russia, Iran and China??

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The first part of your question - when I said "other countries" along with Turkey, I wasn't thinking exclusively NATO countries, so that was my bad. Probably none. But who knows what other NATO countries are thinking. The whole world is drunk on Anti-semitism right now.

Regarding your second question, could Turkey ditch NATO to join Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and the rest in fighting against Israel? Absolutely. WILL they? That remains to be seen. But Just listen to Erdogan. That sounds like a man ready to go to war with Israel. Then where does that leave us? Fight a NATO member or side with Israel? Or do nothing?

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The whole world is not "drunk on Anti-semitism right now." While it is definitely on the rise & very prominent in some places, those are in Muslim countries or western countries with significant Muslim populations. As Henry Kissinger pointed out a couple weeks ago, it was foolish of European countries to import large numbers of foreigners with radically different cultures. We see that manifested in recent weeks & months in places like London & Paris (remember the riots they experienced over the summer?). It's been an ongoing problem for decades but is worse now because of the larger numbers, socioeconomic strains, & the terror attacked by Hamas. Kissinger's mind is still sharp at 100 years old!

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We are at a point where we can pretty safely say diversity is NOT a strength.

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diversity is a feature, rather than a benefit. It's of no more value to a culture than the color of the cars is to performance.

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Yea, "diversity is our strength" was always at best a PR slogan to get people to go along with mass immigration.

At worst if was pure propaganda that was meant to lie to people about the massive cultural and political consequences of mass immigration.

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Meanwhile, in the country with the second largest military in NATO...

● JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response pic.twitter.com/pOLBGHTNeT

— The Spot (@Spotnewsth) October 28, 2023

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Our dear friends the Turks….

It will be interesting interesting to see how neocons keep their sanity if Turkey declares war, escalation ensues, Israel hits Turkey with an airstrike, and Erdogan invokes Article 5. pic.twitter.com/tSKE5gMVik

— Laocoon of Troy (@LaocoonofTroy) October 29, 2023

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I do not think NATO members would be obligated to help Turkey in a war they declared & started, especially if they allied themselves with terrorists.

Hopefully Islamofascist Erdogan is just blowing smoke & won't actually follow through with his insane rhetoric. It's a very foolish & dangerous game he is playing.

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If Turkey were to declare war on Israel, and Israel retaliates, those other countries may not be obligated to attack Israel , but they may just want to anyway.

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What NATO nation will want to attack Israel besides Turkey? NATO is not attacking Israel. Turkey has been in NATO for 70 years, you think they are going to now go to Russia, Iran and China??

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The first part of your question - when I said "other countries" along with Turkey, I wasn't thinking exclusively NATO countries, so that was my bad. Probably none. But who knows what other NATO countries are thinking. The whole world is drunk on Anti-semitism right now.

Regarding your second question, could Turkey ditch NATO to join Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and the rest in fighting against Israel? Absolutely. WILL they? That remains to be seen. But Just listen to Erdogan. That sounds like a man ready to go to war with Israel. Then where does that leave us? Fight a NATO member or side with Israel? Or do nothing?

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The whole world is not "drunk on Anti-semitism right now." While it is definitely on the rise & very prominent in some places, those are in Muslim countries or western countries with significant Muslim populations. As Henry Kissinger pointed out a couple weeks ago, it was foolish of European countries to import large numbers of foreigners with radically different cultures. We see that manifested in recent weeks & months in places like London & Paris (remember the riots they experienced over the summer?). It's been an ongoing problem for decades but is worse now because of the larger numbers, socioeconomic strains, & the terror attacked by Hamas. Kissinger's mind is still sharp at 100 years old!

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We are at a point where we can pretty safely say diversity is NOT a strength.

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diversity is a feature, rather than a benefit. It's of no more value to a culture than the color of the cars is to performance.

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Yea, "diversity is our strength" was always at best a PR slogan to get people to go along with mass immigration.

At worst if was pure propaganda that was meant to lie to people about the massive cultural and political consequences of mass immigration.

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When will Dilly move from the UK back to his ancestral home land?

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Meanwhile, in the country with the second largest military in NATO...

● JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response pic.twitter.com/pOLBGHTNeT

— The Spot (@Spotnewsth) October 28, 2023

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Our dear friends the Turks….

It will be interesting interesting to see how neocons keep their sanity if Turkey declares war, escalation ensues, Israel hits Turkey with an airstrike, and Erdogan invokes Article 5. pic.twitter.com/tSKE5gMVik

— Laocoon of Troy (@LaocoonofTroy) October 29, 2023

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I am becoming more and more convinced this is an AI planned scenario by China and maybe even Russia.

Look at the pieces being moved and the fall out, the fall out is several layers below the expected areas. Turkey creating a NATO Article 5 crisis? This is 3d chess stuff...

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Turkey is not going to do that because dividing/leaving NATO would leave them alone to face off against Russia ambitions in the Black Sea theater. No way they are willing to trade Israel for the entire Caucasus, which is basically what they'd be doing.

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What you say makes perfect sense and I agree.

I look for patterns for a living, seeing some weird patterns in a lot of places right now. NATO, Middle East, Elections, there are a lot of strange patterns out there. The fact that AI and Machine Learning is now front and center makes me wonder if someone pulled the trigger on trying some...

This is standard-issue Establishment Republican stuff that was sold as some kind of based MAGA upgrade over McCarthy https://t.co/vpbh5ztfX4

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) October 30, 2023

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This is standard-issue Establishment Republican stuff that was sold as some kind of based MAGA upgrade over McCarthy https://t.co/vpbh5ztfX4

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) October 30, 2023

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Each idea stands or falls on its own merits.

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This is standard-issue Establishment Republican stuff that was sold as some kind of based MAGA upgrade over McCarthy https://t.co/vpbh5ztfX4

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) October 30, 2023

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Each idea stands or falls on its own merits.

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Agreed. And regarding Walsh's lumping in The Speaker with the rest of the neocons pro-War in Ukraine crowd, Walsh is also not really reading between the lines here with the Speaker's comments. He adds a HUGE qualifier to his support for Ukraine - auditing every dollar we send to know exactly how it is being spent. This is a very clever tactic on his part- he's building consensus with the pro-war Ukraine group, while simultaneously putting some brakes on it by slipping in the "fiscal accountability " piece.

2022 TFR for Jewish women in Israel:
Overall TFR: 3.07
Breaking it down further:
Haredi TFR: 6.38
Non-Haredi TFR: 2.46
Within the Non-Haredi category, TFR by sectors is as follows: - Religious: 3.77
Traditional: 2.8
Traditional Lite: 2.22
Secular: 1.98

— Focus on Israeli Demographics (@focusondemog) September 15, 2023

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This is standard-issue Establishment Republican stuff that was sold as some kind of based MAGA upgrade over McCarthy https://t.co/vpbh5ztfX4

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) October 30, 2023

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Each idea stands or falls on its own merits.

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Agreed. And regarding Walsh's lumping in The Speaker with the rest of the neocons pro-War in Ukraine crowd, Walsh is also not really reading between the lines here with the Speaker's comments. He adds a HUGE qualifier to his support for Ukraine - auditing every dollar we send to know exactly how it is being spent. This is a very clever tactic on his part- he's building consensus with the pro-war Ukraine group, while simultaneously putting some brakes on it by slipping in the "fiscal accountability " piece.

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We will need a line item for the auditing. Add that to the cost...

The U.S. Navy is not in the region because of Turkey.

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The U.S. Navy is not in the region because of Turkey.

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Could be Hungary.

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Rep. Josh Hawley proves to Alejandro Mayorkas that one of his staff members has pro-Hamas posts on social media

pic.twitter.com/PJ314F1558

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) October 31, 2023

A DHS employee posted pro-terrorist, pro-genocide images all over social media on the day Israel was attacked. And she’s apparently STILL on DHS payroll - pic.twitter.com/vKtrZ8ZnBl

— Josh Hawley (@HawleyMO) October 31, 2023

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During the BLM riots you had Federal government employees rooting on the violence and cheering on social media when statues were torn down and saying the most disgusting anti-White things you could imagine….yet none were so much as reprimanded much less fired.

Are we supposed to be shocked that our government is doing this? Or shocked that the targets of this vitriol are Israelis and instead of conservative White Americans?

Because the Hungarian Navy is such a dangerous force? They are landlocked and not a threat to anyone.

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Because the Hungarian Navy is such a dangerous force? They are landlocked and not a threat to anyone.

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Hungary for Turkey?

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Because the Hungarian Navy is such a dangerous force? They are landlocked and not a threat to anyone.

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Hungary for Turkey?

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That sounds germane.

But light on the pepper, please. Pepper makes my throat phlegmish.

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Because the Hungarian Navy is such a dangerous force? They are landlocked and not a threat to anyone.

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Hungary for Turkey?

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That sounds germane.

But light on the pepper, please. Pepper makes my throat phlegmish.

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The Germane Flemish. Very Nice!

🚨 INTERESTING: Palestine filmed in 1896. pic.twitter.com/y0MJaKvqER

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) October 30, 2023