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When it comes to Trump (& much else) the media is wrong about everything. Actual journalism from them is rare.

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I hear Trump will 'get em' when he wins

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Need to ignore those voices.

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Trump said it.

I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

Nm

Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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When it comes to Trump (& much else) the media is wrong about everything. Actual journalism from them is rare.

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I hear Trump will 'get em' when he wins

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Need to ignore those voices.

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Trump said it.

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He says lots of things, like every other politician. We have to learn how to filter it. At least with Trump we can believe him when he talks about the economy or promoting American interests. He has a positive record there.

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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When it comes to Trump (& much else) the media is wrong about everything. Actual journalism from them is rare.

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I hear Trump will 'get em' when he wins

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Need to ignore those voices.

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Trump said it.

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He says lots of things, like every other politician. We have to learn how to filter it. At least with Trump we can believe him when he talks about the economy or promoting American interests. He has a positive record there.

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Can we believe him when he promises to put political opponents in prison?

I hope so. If they broke laws they belong in prison. We have lots of reasons to believe they did: fraud (Russian collusion hoax), taking bribes (Biden on China's payroll, extorting Ukraine, etc), lying to Congress (everyone who testified in the above), obstruction of Justice (covering up everything), security breaches (see above plus Hillary's emails, etc), and the list goes on.

Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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Listen, I'm far from a Trump guy, but where have you been as numerous Dems (aided by much of the fed government) not only centered their campaign on convicting Trump, but actually gone after him and indicted him?

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I hope so. If they broke laws they belong in prison. We have lots of reasons to believe they did: fraud (Russian collusion hoax), taking bribes (Biden on China's payroll, extorting Ukraine, etc), lying to Congress (everyone who testified in the above), obstruction of Justice (covering up everything), security breaches (see above plus Hillary's emails, etc), and the list goes on.

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Well done .

If the old orange man wins I hope he works to change any statute of limitations that have passed in order to arrest and prosecute democrats. Fair is fair, right? I hope he installs judges that pledge to go after democrats and find something, ANYTHING to charge them with. Fair is fair, right?

It's not really retribution or dictatorial to go after Dem criminals. It's called justice and the rule of law. These are among America's founding principles & they are common sense. That's how bad the fascists have made everything: it's considered a radical idea to punish criminals and to hold people in the government responsible for their actions. Insane!

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It's not really retribution or dictatorial to go after Dem criminals. It's called justice and the rule of law. These are among America's g to funding principles & they are common sense. That's how bad the fascists have made everything: it's considered a radical idea to punish criminals and to hold people in the government responsible for their actions. Insane!

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Well said.

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Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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Listen, I'm far from a Trump guy, but where have you been as numerous Dems (aided by much of the fed government) not only centered their campaign on convicting Trump, but actually gone after him and indicted him?

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Shouldn't we try not to be like Biden? You would emulate him

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Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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Listen, I'm far from a Trump guy, but where have you been as numerous Dems (aided by much of the fed government) not only centered their campaign on convicting Trump, but actually gone after him and indicted him?

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Shouldn't we try not to be like Biden? You would emulate him

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Another odd attempt to be 'clever'.

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Osodecentx said:

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historian said:

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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Listen, I'm far from a Trump guy, but where have you been as numerous Dems (aided by much of the fed government) not only centered their campaign on convicting Trump, but actually gone after him and indicted him?

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Shouldn't we try not to be like Biden? You would emulate him

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Of course not, but I'm consistent. Both sides should cut the crap and fight it out in the political sphere. But, my goodness, if you're going to call out either side for criminalizing the political process, it's not a tough call.

I mean for 8 years, starting with "Russia! Russia! Russia!," the Dem machine has tried to take down Trump outside of the political process.

And it's not just Biden. It's numerous other federal and state politicians and officials.

THIS IS NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL IN WAR. Also is black/gray boxer underwear & gray T-shirt, standard issue in Gaza? Because 90% of the men are wearing that. Almost like a uniform. 🤔 https://t.co/cpHTGPhfRs

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) December 7, 2023

Osodecentx said:

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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If they're guilty, do you think he should not?

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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If they're guilty, do you think he should not?

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If Trump is guilty should he be tried and convicted?

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THIS IS NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL IN WAR. Also is black/gray boxer underwear & gray T-shirt, standard issue in Gaza? Because 90% of the men are wearing that. Almost like a uniform. 🤔 https://t.co/cpHTGPhfRs

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) December 7, 2023

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The Israelis are treating these terrorists better than Hamas treated the hostages.

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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If they're guilty, do you think he should not?

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If Trump is guilty should he be tried and convicted?

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Many of the charges against Trump are idiotic. So he asked people to watch a TV show or met with some friends. Who cares? Both actions are rights under the first amendment.

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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If they're guilty, do you think he should not?

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Will Trump wait until they are convicted?

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I'm sure he will do lots of things if he wins. I'll be happy if he gets the economy back to prosperity & cleans up the swamp for real this time. Even a partial clean up would be a step in the right direction.

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Put opponents in prison?

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If they're guilty, do you think he should not?

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If Trump is guilty should he be tried and convicted?

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Many of the charges against trump are idiotic. So he asked people to watch a TV show or met with some friends. Who cares? Both actions are rights under the first amendment.

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I am thinking more the Documents, which is a hard evidence item. The J6 is gonna be tough for Smith to prove anything.

“What the hell is the matter with these people?” is the right reaction.

Thank you @richeisen for speaking up. I would like to see and hear other prominent sports figures with large platforms do the same.

Harvard, Penn, and MIT used to be the gold standard. Today, they’re 🗑️. https://t.co/UAKE5Cuqcv

— Darren Heitner (@DarrenHeitner) December 7, 2023

As I understand the situation, as president Trump had the authority to declassify documents. If he did that, there is nothing to prosecute. But I'm more certain the case is bogus because Biden has far more documents, gif a longer period of time, and some of them in a facility owned by the ChiComs. And is VP, he did not have that authority.

Every prosecution of Trump is a complete fraud unless they first prosecute Bill Clinton for his crimes (How many times did he go to Epstein's Pedophile Island?), Hillary for hers (How many emails? What other security breaches?), Joe's (taking bribes, extortion, covering up everything, maybe even espionage & treason), & many others. The selectiveness of fascist interest in the law is the worst kind. It includes BLM, antifa, and many other examples of Leftists who act with impunity. Prosecuting Trump is lawfare, a tactic of terrorists, not pursuing justice.

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As I understand the situation, as president Trump had the authority to declassify documents. If he did that, there is nothing to prosecute. But I'm more certain the case is bogus because Biden has far more documents, gif a longer period of time, and some of them in a facility owned by the ChiComs. And is VP, he did not have that authority.

Every prosecution of Trump is a complete fraud unless they first prosecute Bill Clinton for his crimes (How many times did he go to Epstein's Pedophile Island?), Hillary for hers (How many emails? What other security breaches?), Joe's (taking bribes, extortion, covering up everything, maybe even espionage & treason), & many others. The selectiveness of fascist interest in the law is the worst kind. It includes BLM, antifa, and many other examples of Leftists who act with impunity. Prosecuting Trump is lawfare, a tactic of terrorists, not pursuing justice.

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You know that means nothing. To keep saying "but nobody prosecuted..." is not a defense. Did he have documents that he wasn't supposed to have? You, "historian", really believe all the President has to do is think a document declassified and it is? Using that logic, he can declassify to go to the bathroom. Read it on his throne and the reclassify it walking back... Really?

Using this logic, anything Trump did or anyone else in Congress for that matter is not prosecutable until Clinton, Joe Biden and other s are prosecuted. For how long? For how long does this not allowing to prosecute stay in effect?

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As I understand the situation, as president Trump had the authority to declassify documents. If he did that, there is nothing to prosecute. But I'm more certain the case is bogus because Biden has far more documents, gif a longer period of time, and some of them in a facility owned by the ChiComs. And is VP, he did not have that authority.

Every prosecution of Trump is a complete fraud unless they first prosecute Bill Clinton for his crimes (How many times did he go to Epstein's Pedophile Island?), Hillary for hers (How many emails? What other security breaches?), Joe's (taking bribes, extortion, covering up everything, maybe even espionage & treason), & many others. The selectiveness of fascist interest in the law is the worst kind. It includes BLM, antifa, and many other examples of Leftists who act with impunity. Prosecuting Trump is lawfare, a tactic of terrorists, not pursuing justice.

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You know that means nothing. To keep saying "but nobody prosecuted..." is not a defense. Did he have documents that he wasn't supposed to have? You, "historian", really believe all the President has to do is think a document declassified and it is? Using that logic, he can declassify to go to the bathroom. Read it on his throne and the reclassify it walking back... Really?

Using this logic, anything Trump did or anyone else in Congress for that matter is not prosecutable until Clinton, Joe Biden and other s are prosecuted. For how long? For how long does this not allowing to prosecute stay in effect?

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Trump charged and Biden not charged for his grossly incompetent handling of documents. You don't see a problem here? A double-standard? I think most Americans are absolutely sick of this and have had enough.

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As I understand the situation, as president Trump had the authority to declassify documents. If he did that, there is nothing to prosecute. But I'm more certain the case is bogus because Biden has far more documents, gif a longer period of time, and some of them in a facility owned by the ChiComs. And is VP, he did not have that authority.

Every prosecution of Trump is a complete fraud unless they first prosecute Bill Clinton for his crimes (How many times did he go to Epstein's Pedophile Island?), Hillary for hers (How many emails? What other security breaches?), Joe's (taking bribes, extortion, covering up everything, maybe even espionage & treason), & many others. The selectiveness of fascist interest in the law is the worst kind. It includes BLM, antifa, and many other examples of Leftists who act with impunity. Prosecuting Trump is lawfare, a tactic of terrorists, not pursuing justice.

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You know that means nothing. To keep saying "but nobody prosecuted..." is not a defense. Did he have documents that he wasn't supposed to have? You, "historian", really believe all the President has to do is think a document declassified and it is? Using that logic, he can declassify to go to the bathroom. Read it on his throne and the reclassify it walking back... Really?

Using this logic, anything Trump did or anyone else in Congress for that matter is not prosecutable until Clinton, Joe Biden and other s are prosecuted. For how long? For how long does this not allowing to prosecute stay in effect?

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Trump charged and Biden not charged for his grossly incompetent handling of documents. You don't see a problem here? A double-standard? I think most Americans are absolutely sick of this and have had enough.

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There is a huge difference between me seeing a problem with legal decisions and not prosecuting someone in response.

I am not voting for Biden. Just like in 2016 and 2020. I want a change. I pray it is not Trump, but I am not voting Biden, period. That is all I can legally do. But once again, if Trump has or had Confidential docs, Biden's situation doesn't change Trumps.

Of course the process is more complicated. I never said it was easy. I also used the word "if."

The point is Trump could have done it, Biden couldn't have. My biggest problem with all of this is the obvious double standard. The 14th amendment has the "equal protection" clause, everyone is entitled to due process, and the rule of law requires everyone to bd treated equally. It's one of our founding principles and the fascists ignore it, and many other fundamentals.

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Of course the process is more complicated. I never said it was easy. I also used the word "if."

The point is Trump could have done it, Biden couldn't have. My biggest problem with all of this is the obvious double standard. The 14th amendment has the "equal protection" clause, everyone is entitled to due process, and the rule of law requires everyone to bd treated equally. It's one of our founding principles and the fascists ignore it, and many other fundamentals.

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Can't argue with you, you are right. But, the answer is not letting people walk if there is enough for a Grand Jury to indict.

Biden is a train wreck, no doubt. Garland is a criminal. We need them out. My fear with Trump, is this will not stop for 4 more years...

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As I understand the situation, as president Trump had the authority to declassify documents. If he did that, there is nothing to prosecute. But I'm more certain the case is bogus because Biden has far more documents, gif a longer period of time, and some of them in a facility owned by the ChiComs. And is VP, he did not have that authority.

Every prosecution of Trump is a complete fraud unless they first prosecute Bill Clinton for his crimes (How many times did he go to Epstein's Pedophile Island?), Hillary for hers (How many emails? What other security breaches?), Joe's (taking bribes, extortion, covering up everything, maybe even espionage & treason), & many others. The selectiveness of fascist interest in the law is the worst kind. It includes BLM, antifa, and many other examples of Leftists who act with impunity. Prosecuting Trump is lawfare, a tactic of terrorists, not pursuing justice.

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You know that means nothing. To keep saying "but nobody prosecuted..." is not a defense. Did he have documents that he wasn't supposed to have? You, "historian", really believe all the President has to do is think a document declassified and it is? Using that logic, he can declassify to go to the bathroom. Read it on his throne and the reclassify it walking back... Really?

Using this logic, anything Trump did or anyone else in Congress for that matter is not prosecutable until Clinton, Joe Biden and other s are prosecuted. For how long? For how long does this not allowing to prosecute stay in effect?

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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

That describes the fascists perfectly, although it's from George Orwell's Animal Farm. The fascists have no respect for human life and view all of us as no better than animals (sometimes worse).

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As I understand the situation, as president Trump had the authority to declassify documents. If he did that, there is nothing to prosecute. But I'm more certain the case is bogus because Biden has far more documents, gif a longer period of time, and some of them in a facility owned by the ChiComs. And is VP, he did not have that authority.

Every prosecution of Trump is a complete fraud unless they first prosecute Bill Clinton for his crimes (How many times did he go to Epstein's Pedophile Island?), Hillary for hers (How many emails? What other security breaches?), Joe's (taking bribes, extortion, covering up everything, maybe even espionage & treason), & many others. The selectiveness of fascist interest in the law is the worst kind. It includes BLM, antifa, and many other examples of Leftists who act with impunity. Prosecuting Trump is lawfare, a tactic of terrorists, not pursuing justice.

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You know that means nothing. To keep saying "but nobody prosecuted..." is not a defense. Did he have documents that he wasn't supposed to have? You, "historian", really believe all the President has to do is think a document declassified and it is? Using that logic, he can declassify to go to the bathroom. Read it on his throne and the reclassify it walking back... Really?

Using this logic, anything Trump did or anyone else in Congress for that matter is not prosecutable until Clinton, Joe Biden and other s are prosecuted. For how long? For how long does this not allowing to prosecute stay in effect?

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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

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That is all well and good, in theory. How do you do it? Impeach? Unless the GOP either finds enough evidence or is willing to vote in block that has and will go nowhere.

Dem Prosecutors have brought charges, gotten Grand Jury indictments and gone to trial. GOP??? Nothing. Nothing, either because the evidence is not there or there is no political will to do it.

So, once again beyond all the what "should happen", "its not fair" and quoting Animal Farm what is to be done that can be done? So far this Board is great on pontificating, but little in the realm of practical answers.

Once again, Biden should be prosecuted... So what? Trump is in Court and having to defend himself. GOP has no answer and worse doesn't seem to know how to use the process to get the Dems! They are great at using the process to self-destruct.

Sorry, guys. TIme for RealPolitik, not soap box integrity idealists speeches. The key that the Dems get, I give Abrams credit, is that they use the system.

The only GOP candidate that has shown that ability is DeSantis. He can bring it to them, but has no chance of winning as he is charismatic as a toad. Maybe Christie, he has used the system to get his way in NJ.