Doc Holliday said:

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BREAKING: President Biden has notified the US congress of his decision to carry out discrete strikes on three facilities in Iraq

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 27, 2023

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

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So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

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So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

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When did Georgia, Crimea, or Ukraine join NATO?

When did we become treaty obligated to defend these far off eastern lands?

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

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So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

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When did Georgia, Crimea, or Ukraine join NATO?

When did we become treaty obligated to defend these far off eastern lands?

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Don't need to just give them to Putin. Romania is not worth fighting for, right,? Should we really fight for NAto members not worthy? Turkey? Estonia? Why fight?

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

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So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

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When did Georgia, Crimea, or Ukraine join NATO?

When did we become treaty obligated to defend these far off eastern lands?

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Don't need to just give them to Putin. Romania is not worth fighting for, right,? Should we really fight for NAto members not worthy? Turkey? Estonia? Why fight?

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Romania, Turkey, and the Baltic states are in fact members of NATO…so yes I would for fighting for them if they were invaded.

We actually have a treaty with them.

Maybe you just don't know who is in NATO and who is an actual ally of the USA (as confirmed by the Senate)?


Let me give you a map…







Did you notice how Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia are not on that map?

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KaiBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

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So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

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When did Georgia, Crimea, or Ukraine join NATO?

When did we become treaty obligated to defend these far off eastern lands?

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Don't need to just give them to Putin. Romania is not worth fighting for, right,? Should we really fight for NAto members not worthy? Turkey? Estonia? Why fight?

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Romania, Turkey, and the Baltic states are in fact members of NATO…so yes I would for fighting for them if they were invaded.

We actually have a treaty with them.

Maybe you just don't know who is in NATO and who is an actual ally of the USA (as confirmed by the Senate)?


Let me give you a map…







Did you notice how Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia are not on that map?

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No US combat troops are fighting in Ukraine. We are supplying what they ask for and training. You should love Bidens approach.

As for you map, very short sighted view of the world. If they are not on that map we can't supply materials for defense? Ridiculous.

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Yall would be correct if what you believed was the truth.

After 20 years in Afghanistan/Iraq that amounted to a massive failure and all the other bull **** DC had pulled…I don't believe a g damn thing coming from our government, especially about war.

They could easily be lying their asses off about the current state of Ukraine/Russia. It wouldn't be the first time they've knowingly lied.

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Our federal leadership knowingly lied to the American people in their determined attempt to get someone else's sons to fight in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Yet generation after generation we continue to believe their garbage with the poor and middle class doing the disproportionate amount of fighting ( and dying ).

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

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So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

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When did Georgia, Crimea, or Ukraine join NATO?

When did we become treaty obligated to defend these far off eastern lands?

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Don't need to just give them to Putin. Romania is not worth fighting for, right,? Should we really fight for NAto members not worthy? Turkey? Estonia? Why fight?

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Romania, Turkey, and the Baltic states are in fact members of NATO…so yes I would for fighting for them if they were invaded.

We actually have a treaty with them.

Maybe you just don't know who is in NATO and who is an actual ally of the USA (as confirmed by the Senate)?


Let me give you a map…







Did you notice how Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia are not on that map?

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No US combat troops are fighting in Ukraine. We are supplying what they ask for and training. You should love Bidens approach.

As for you map, very short sighted view of the world. If they are not on that map we can't supply materials for defense? Ridiculous.

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Yall would be correct if what you believed was the truth.

After 20 years in Afghanistan/Iraq that amounted to a massive failure and all the other bull **** DC had pulled…I don't believe a g damn thing coming from our government, especially about war.

They could easily be lying their asses off about the current state of Ukraine/Russia. It wouldn't be the first time they've knowingly lied.

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Our federal leadership knowingly lied to the American people in their determined attempt to get someone else's sons to fight in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Yet generation after generation we continue to believe their garbage with the poor and middle class doing the disproportionate amount of fighting ( and dying ).

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The media and propaganda are hard to resist.


And the tools at their disposal to brainwash people have only gotten stronger over the past 30 years.


I am actually shocked at how many average people can still tell they are getting scammed and still resist.

I would guess no more than 50% of American buy the current BS that "Ukraine must be defended or the russkies will conquer Paris!"

Most can see it's not a war that really concerns us and it's more of an opportunity for DC insiders to make a lot of money using taxpayer cash.

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Not trying to be a smart a _ _ here, but you're saying we are brainwashed but also that most aren't buying the Ukraine brainwashing.

Anyway, I don't think you're giving the public or the media enough credit.

As for the media, unlike the old days, there is plenty of "alternative" media out there. In fact, they get the better ratings/traffic, and I'm not talking Fox News.
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Doc Holliday said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Great demographic info there. I was surprised that someone would assert that Russia's population is great than the US. We have 335 million and growing, they have a fraction of that and declining. We are the world's third most populous country, only behind China & India.

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Yep, the USA alone outnumbers Russia almost 3 to 1….yet we totally need to be scared of the mighty Russians taking on NATO (900+ million strong)

If we don't stop them and their rusted old Soviet tanks in Ukraine they will march right into Paris!

---

So let them take Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine. You are right Putin doesn't have to worry about beating NATO with people like you and Obama at the wheel. He can just take it after all he is no threat. He is putting the old Soviet Union together, bit by bit. But, he is no threat. I am sure Vlad agrees.

---

When did Georgia, Crimea, or Ukraine join NATO?

When did we become treaty obligated to defend these far off eastern lands?

---

Don't need to just give them to Putin. Romania is not worth fighting for, right,? Should we really fight for NAto members not worthy? Turkey? Estonia? Why fight?

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Romania, Turkey, and the Baltic states are in fact members of NATO…so yes I would for fighting for them if they were invaded.

We actually have a treaty with them.

Maybe you just don't know who is in NATO and who is an actual ally of the USA (as confirmed by the Senate)?


Let me give you a map…







Did you notice how Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia are not on that map?

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No US combat troops are fighting in Ukraine. We are supplying what they ask for and training. You should love Bidens approach.

As for you map, very short sighted view of the world. If they are not on that map we can't supply materials for defense? Ridiculous.

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Yall would be correct if what you believed was the truth.

After 20 years in Afghanistan/Iraq that amounted to a massive failure and all the other bull **** DC had pulled…I don't believe a g damn thing coming from our government, especially about war.

They could easily be lying their asses off about the current state of Ukraine/Russia. It wouldn't be the first time they've knowingly lied.

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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Look at who isn't. Besides India the economies are not near enough to support the Russian economy, nevermind China. Basically, the EU, North America, the Asian Ring and Aus/NZ, basically any economy worth a ***** Let's see how lone a India/Pakistan/Russia/China economic power lasts...

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historian said:

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It's the Brandt Line:

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sombear said:

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Only you could misquote my quote and then respond to a different argument.

I said "virtually the entire free world."

Then you listed the countries sanctioning Russia. I said "supporting Ukraine."

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Only you could misquote my quote and then respond to a different argument.

I said "virtually the entire free world."

Then you listed the countries sanctioning Russia. I said "supporting Ukraine."

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Interesting…if you are not sanctioning Russia for the invasion then how are you "supporting Ukraine"?

Obviously most of the actual counties in the world do not give a crap about this war one way or the other.


But yes I guess if you call the western bloc the free world then technically the free world is supporting Ukraine.

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Only you could misquote my quote and then respond to a different argument.

I said "virtually the entire free world."

Then you listed the countries sanctioning Russia. I said "supporting Ukraine."

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Interesting…if you are not sanctioning Russia for the invasion then how are you "supporting Ukraine"?

Obviously most of the actual counties in the world do not give a crap about this war one way or the other.


But yes I guess if you call the western bloc the free world then technically the free world is supporting Ukraine.

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By supporting I mean monetary, supply, and/or military aid. And the list in your post is way short. See my prior post. If you exclude Russia's closest allies and countries who can't afford aid to any countries, a vast majority are supporting Ukraine.

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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sombear said:

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Islamic radicals massacred Nigerian Christians on Christmas

Islamic radicals massacred Israeli Jews on Simchat Torah

Islamic radicals regularly massacre and torture folks in Darfur

Yet the world is silent and only seems to blame Jews. Why? pic.twitter.com/zdqLkFXkaO

— Andrew Talbot (@AndrewTalbotUSA) December 30, 2023

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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Look at who isn't. Besides India the economies are not near enough to support the Russian economy, nevermind China. Basically, the EU, North America, the Asian Ring and Aus/NZ, basically any economy worth a ***** Let's see how lone a India/Pakistan/Russia/China economic power lasts...

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Oh sure.

The Western bloc has all the best economies and most productive nations.

It's the most formidable economic/military alliance on earth without a doubt.

Just if we are counting heads…there are a lot of countries out there they don't care about the priorities of DC

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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Look at who isn't. Besides India the economies are not near enough to support the Russian economy, nevermind China. Basically, the EU, North America, the Asian Ring and Aus/NZ, basically any economy worth a ***** Let's see how lone a India/Pakistan/Russia/China economic power lasts...

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Oh sure.

The Western bloc has all the best economies and most productive nations.

It's the most formidable economic/military alliance on earth without a doubt.

Just if we are counting heads…there are a lot of countries out there they don't care about the priorities of DC

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Since when does counting heads make the difference?

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ATL Bear said:

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95% of Russia's trade comes from about 20 countries. Most are involved on one side or the other in this conflict. The fact there are another 150+ other countries is irrelevant.

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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Look at who isn't. Besides India the economies are not near enough to support the Russian economy, nevermind China. Basically, the EU, North America, the Asian Ring and Aus/NZ, basically any economy worth a ***** Let's see how lone a India/Pakistan/Russia/China economic power lasts...

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Oh sure.

The Western bloc has all the best economies and most productive nations.

It's the most formidable economic/military alliance on earth without a doubt.

Just if we are counting heads…there are a lot of countries out there they don't care about the priorities of DC

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Since when does counting heads make the difference?

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When the pro-Ukraine war side pretends that there is some kind of world consensus against Russia.

Truth of course is that most nations don't care at all and can't be bothered to even be bribed by DC into pretending to care about this war…

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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Look at who isn't. Besides India the economies are not near enough to support the Russian economy, nevermind China. Basically, the EU, North America, the Asian Ring and Aus/NZ, basically any economy worth a ***** Let's see how lone a India/Pakistan/Russia/China economic power lasts...

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Oh sure.

The Western bloc has all the best economies and most productive nations.

It's the most formidable economic/military alliance on earth without a doubt.

Just if we are counting heads…there are a lot of countries out there they don't care about the priorities of DC

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Since when does counting heads make the difference? Nations with alot of heads and crappy economies are welfare cases, not allies

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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historian said:

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I often wonder if the billions of $$$$ we send to Ukraine is part of some elaborate scheme of Biden paying them off to keep quiet about Hunter's crimes & his own. Maybe it's hush money and we are footing the bill. When I'm my most cynical, I'm beginning to think that far too much of the federal budget is a complex money laundering scheme to buy off various constituencies to keep them voting for the Dems, and to help with stuffing ballot boxes, rent a mob activities, etc. it's getting more & more difficult NOT to see the anti democratic "Democrats" as the largest organized crime ring in history. And we said get to foot the hill for all their shenanigans.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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C'mon man . . . 45 countries, including virtually the entire free world and all of our allies, are supporting Ukraine.

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Right… "entire world"






Reminds me of the meme:

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Look at who isn't. Besides India the economies are not near enough to support the Russian economy, nevermind China. Basically, the EU, North America, the Asian Ring and Aus/NZ, basically any economy worth a ***** Let's see how lone a India/Pakistan/Russia/China economic power lasts...

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Oh sure.

The Western bloc has all the best economies and most productive nations.

It's the most formidable economic/military alliance on earth without a doubt.

Just if we are counting heads…there are a lot of countries out there they don't care about the priorities of DC

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Since when does counting heads make the difference?

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When the pro-Ukraine war side pretends that there is some kind of world consensus against Russia.

Truth of course is that most nations don't care at all and can't be bothered to even be bribed by DC into pretending to care about this war…

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