BREAKING: Top UN Court stops short of ordering a cease-fire in Gaza but demands Israel try to contain death and damage. https://t.co/PvZZe8BUni

— The Associated Press (@AP) January 26, 2024

HERE YA GO: In response to the international criminal court of Justice ruling that did not stop Israel operations in Gaza… HAMAS is now bombarding the city of Sderot with Rockets. pic.twitter.com/IuuekjVJrw

— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) January 26, 2024

J.R. said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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No foreign wars , no foreign aid is such a controversial statement as to warrant such a response JR ?

Wanting to help American citizens first suggest one lives under a rock ?

Care to educate me on your rationale ?

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"No foreign aid" is just stupid. We are the leader of the free world (for now as we are shrinking). There are geo-political reasons for aid.

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And there are very good reasons NOT to give unaccountable foreign nations tax payer cash from the American poeple.

I would love to see what we are actually getting for all that money spent.

Do we think Pakistan has for instance actually used that money for good?

J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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Every one of my argument was completely valid.

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

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[When learning of this vote, many people familiar with Jewish history might have suppressed a sardonic laugh. Anti-Zionism, after all, was a creation of Jews, not their enemies.


Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants religious variants and secular variants as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel's opponents as racists.


Race has always been at the heart of the debate. Many anti-Zionists believed the Jews were, in their parlance, "a church." This meant that, although they shared certain beliefs, traditions and affinities with coreligionists in other nations, they nonetheless belonged as fully to their own national communities as anyone else. For them, an American Jew was a Jewish American, just as an Episcopalian American or a Catholic American was an American first of all. They were unwilling to subscribe to any idea suggesting that the Jews were a race, separate and, as the anti-semites would have it, unassimilable. These people did not consider themselves to be in exile, as the Zionists would have it. They considered themselves to be at home. They feared that the insistence on ethnicity or race could open them to the old accusations of double loyalty, undermining attempts to achieve equality.

In fact, anti-Zionist thinking predates Zionism. It emerges from the possibility that first appeared at the end of the 18th century. In 1790, in his famous letter to the Jews of Newport, R.I., George Washington declared that "all possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens."]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

Anti-Zionism actually has a long intellectual history within the Jewish community itself...

Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

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Lots of world travel makes you reject statements like this?

"America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first."

Funny I have travelled to many foreign countries and it did not turn me into a traitor who puts the needs of 3rd worlders over my own people...

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you RWNJs are just so myopic !

Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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KaiBear said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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No foreign wars , no foreign aid is such a controversial statement as to warrant such a response JR ?

Wanting to help American citizens first suggest one lives under a rock ?

Care to educate me on your rationale ?

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"No foreign aid" is just stupid. We are the leader of the free world (for now as we are shrinking). There are geo-political reasons for aid.

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And there are very good reasons NOT to give unaccountable foreign nations tax payer cash from the American poeple.

I would love to see what we are actually getting for all that money spent.

Do we think Pakistan has for instance actually used that money for good?

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That is a very good point: all of our aid should be with complete accountability and we should only allow the recipient to use it for approved purposes. For example, aid to Ukraine should only go to aiding their war effort directly, not to pensions, normal government operations, Zelensky's Swiss bank account, etc.

It should all be audited and held to the strictest standards. So should the rest of the federal budget. I suspect if they did that they would found clear evidence of fraud and abuse in almost every government agency and quite a few officials would earn a few years prison time. This is to foreign aid, the Pentagon, and everything else.

Pakistan harbored Osama bin Laden for quite a long time.

The largest defense spending item is pension and benefits for current and retired military. Just FYI.

We can talk about the purpose and ROI of actual defense spending (material and services) or various foreign aid programs, and while intellectually stimulating, as far as addressing our budget or economic concerns it's pissing in the wind.

We're being bankrupted by the spending in America on Americans. That's not politically popular to say but it is the gross reality. Not only is it the vast majority of our annual deficits, it is so fiscally out of whack it is now at a $75 TRILLION dollar unfunded liability that grows by the second. At least defense spending has a job and technology benefit that goes along with it. If we do NOT continue to dominate the global economy, the music stops and you're looking at the types of Austerity cuts the IMF requires of 2nd and 3rd world countries, and the type of social upheaval that follows.

You want to make America great again? Stop growing the nanny state at this unsustainable pace. And if your argument is cut it and spend on Americans, well no then, just cut.

OsoCoreyell said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Every one of my argument was completely valid.

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

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[When learning of this vote, many people familiar with Jewish history might have suppressed a sardonic laugh. Anti-Zionism, after all, was a creation of Jews, not their enemies.


Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants religious variants and secular variants as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel's opponents as racists.


Race has always been at the heart of the debate. Many anti-Zionists believed the Jews were, in their parlance, "a church." This meant that, although they shared certain beliefs, traditions and affinities with coreligionists in other nations, they nonetheless belonged as fully to their own national communities as anyone else. For them, an American Jew was a Jewish American, just as an Episcopalian American or a Catholic American was an American first of all. They were unwilling to subscribe to any idea suggesting that the Jews were a race, separate and, as the anti-semites would have it, unassimilable. These people did not consider themselves to be in exile, as the Zionists would have it. They considered themselves to be at home. They feared that the insistence on ethnicity or race could open them to the old accusations of double loyalty, undermining attempts to achieve equality.

In fact, anti-Zionist thinking predates Zionism. It emerges from the possibility that first appeared at the end of the 18th century. In 1790, in his famous letter to the Jews of Newport, R.I., George Washington declared that "all possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens."]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

Anti-Zionism actually has a long intellectual history within the Jewish community itself...

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What Anti-Zionists mean in the current reality is that Israel, as a political nation, should be eradicated/terminated.

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That would come as quite the surprise to actual Jewish anti-Zionists today.

And not just among some liberal secular Jews.

There are large factions of Hardi Judaism who reject Zionism and have large and growing populations.

DioNoZeus said:

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

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He apparently had a tough time landing a job out of college and blames companies for exploiting immigrants here on work visas for his inability to get a good job back then. Hence his current world view that any immigration is bad. And, despite all of his protesting, he really is the board's biggest racist since Doug/BEAR was banned.

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Actually, Mass immigration of 3rd worlders tends to suppress the wages of the non-college educated class.

It's economic war against the lower class (and the just arrived previous immigrants)

Bringing in millions of people a year has all kinds of effects.

Redbrickbear said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

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He apparently had a tough time landing a job out of college and blames companies for exploiting immigrants here on work visas for his inability to get a good job back then. Hence his current world view that any immigration is bad. And, despite all of his protesting, he really is the board's biggest racist since Doug/BEAR was banned.

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Actually, Mass immigration of 3rd worlders tends to suppress the wages of the non-college educated class.

It's economic war against the lower class (and the just arrived previous immigrants)

Bringing in millions of people a year has all kinds of effects.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post since he is a college graduate who was competing with people over here on H1B visas.

DioNoZeus said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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J.R. said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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J.R. said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

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He apparently had a tough time landing a job out of college and blames companies for exploiting immigrants here on work visas for his inability to get a good job back then. Hence his current world view that any immigration is bad. And, despite all of his protesting, he really is the board's biggest racist since Doug/BEAR was banned.

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Actually, Mass immigration of 3rd worlders tends to suppress the wages of the non-college educated class.

It's economic war against the lower class (and the just arrived previous immigrants)

Bringing in millions of people a year has all kinds of effects.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post since he is a college graduate who was competing with people over here on H1B visas.

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Just a point….i assume H1B visas have a similar
effect as well but mostly in STEM

Though at least those immigrants are coming with some education and job skills.

I don't think you know what Zionism or anti-Zionism mean. You are using totally false definitions of both.

Zionism began with Theodore Herzl in 19th century Europe as a response to continuing antisemitism. Simply put, it was the desire of Jewish people to return to their ancient homeland, the modern state of Israel. It was given to them by God (His covenant with Abraham and his descendants stated repeatedly in the book of Genesis) & was intended to be forever. After WWII (& the Holocaust), the dream was realized with the creation of the modern state of Israel immediately after the British mandate ended.

The Israelis confirmed that act by defeating all their enemies, the surrounding Arab states, in their war for independence. They repeatedly affirmed that position by repeatedly defeating their enemies again & again most notably in 1967, 1973, the intifadas, etc. today Zionism is easily equated with the existence of Israel & support for its survival. There is no need to obfuscate it or make it more complicated.

Anti-Zionism was and is the opposition to that dream & its achievement. In the modern context this means opposition to the state of Israel, which means seeking its end. There is no rational way to interpret that other than the genocidal atrocities like those begun on October 7.

Redbrickbear said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Every one of my argument was completely valid.

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

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[When learning of this vote, many people familiar with Jewish history might have suppressed a sardonic laugh. Anti-Zionism, after all, was a creation of Jews, not their enemies.


Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants religious variants and secular variants as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel's opponents as racists.


Race has always been at the heart of the debate. Many anti-Zionists believed the Jews were, in their parlance, "a church." This meant that, although they shared certain beliefs, traditions and affinities with coreligionists in other nations, they nonetheless belonged as fully to their own national communities as anyone else. For them, an American Jew was a Jewish American, just as an Episcopalian American or a Catholic American was an American first of all. They were unwilling to subscribe to any idea suggesting that the Jews were a race, separate and, as the anti-semites would have it, unassimilable. These people did not consider themselves to be in exile, as the Zionists would have it. They considered themselves to be at home. They feared that the insistence on ethnicity or race could open them to the old accusations of double loyalty, undermining attempts to achieve equality.

In fact, anti-Zionist thinking predates Zionism. It emerges from the possibility that first appeared at the end of the 18th century. In 1790, in his famous letter to the Jews of Newport, R.I., George Washington declared that "all possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens."]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

Anti-Zionism actually has a long intellectual history within the Jewish community itself...

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What Anti-Zionists mean in the current reality is that Israel, as a political nation, should be eradicated/terminated.

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That would come as quite the surprise to actual Jewish anti-Zionists today.

And not just among some liberal secular Jews.

There are large factions of Hardi Judaism who reject Zionism and have large and growing populations.

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If these are genuinely Jews (questionable) then they are just as moronic as the trans or alphabet mafia activists supporting the Palestinians & Hamas. The people they claim to support would not hesitate to murder them brutally if they had the chance simply because of who they are.

Intelligent, sane people have no reason to pay any attention to such idiotic posturing.

historian said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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historian said:

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Every one of my argument was completely valid.

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

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[When learning of this vote, many people familiar with Jewish history might have suppressed a sardonic laugh. Anti-Zionism, after all, was a creation of Jews, not their enemies.


Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants religious variants and secular variants as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel's opponents as racists.


Race has always been at the heart of the debate. Many anti-Zionists believed the Jews were, in their parlance, "a church." This meant that, although they shared certain beliefs, traditions and affinities with coreligionists in other nations, they nonetheless belonged as fully to their own national communities as anyone else. For them, an American Jew was a Jewish American, just as an Episcopalian American or a Catholic American was an American first of all. They were unwilling to subscribe to any idea suggesting that the Jews were a race, separate and, as the anti-semites would have it, unassimilable. These people did not consider themselves to be in exile, as the Zionists would have it. They considered themselves to be at home. They feared that the insistence on ethnicity or race could open them to the old accusations of double loyalty, undermining attempts to achieve equality.

In fact, anti-Zionist thinking predates Zionism. It emerges from the possibility that first appeared at the end of the 18th century. In 1790, in his famous letter to the Jews of Newport, R.I., George Washington declared that "all possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens."]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

Anti-Zionism actually has a long intellectual history within the Jewish community itself...

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What Anti-Zionists mean in the current reality is that Israel, as a political nation, should be eradicated/terminated.

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That would come as quite the surprise to actual Jewish anti-Zionists today.

And not just among some liberal secular Jews.

There are large factions of Hardi Judaism who reject Zionism and have large and growing populations.

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If these are genuinely Jews (questionable) then they are just as moronic as the trans or alphabet mafia activists supporting the Palestinians & Hamas...

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Well some Hardi have strong religious views.

I would not call them morons…they just have a different theological position.


[During the 1930s, some European Haredi leaders encouraged their followers not to leave for Palestine, where the Zionists were gaining influence.]

[According to a 2016 Pew survey, only 33% of Israeli Haredim say that the term "Zionist" describes them accurately.]

[There are many different ideological reasons for religious opposition to Zionism; however, the main two are most widely expressed by Hasidim….

The overarching motive behind many Haredim's opposition to Zionism stems from a traditional and religious view of Jewish identity and peoplehood which runs counter to Zionism's nationalist ideology. Haredim often cite the 10th century rabbinic sage Rav Saadia Goan as spelling out their national identity in terms irreconcilable with modern nationalism; as he wrote in his seminal work Emunah v'Deos ( ), "Our nation, the B'nei Yisrael, is a nation only by virture of its Torah (collective religious teachings)." The opposition extends to ancillary parts of Zionist ideology, such as militarism and organic nationalism, which they hold are incongruous with Jewish religious teachings.

Historically, many dynasties in Hasidism have expressed anti-Zionist opinions because of the "Three Oaths". The Talmud, in Ketubot 111a, mentions that the Jewish people have been bound by three oaths: 1) not to ascend to Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) as a group using force; 2) not to rebel against the nations of the world; and 3) that the nations of the world would not persecute the nation of Israel excessively. Some consider the establishment of the State of Israel to be a violation of these oaths. The first Haredi anti-Zionist movement was Agudath Israel, established in Poland in 1912. Haredi groups and people actively and publicly opposing Zionism are Satmar,[49] Toldos Aharon,[50] Neturei Karta.]

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I don't think you know what Zionism or anti-Zionism mean. You are using totally false definitions of both.

Zionism began with Theodore Herzl in 19th century Europe as a response to continuing antisemitism. Simply put, it was the desire of Jewish people to return to their ancient homeland, the modern stats of Israel….

Anti-Zionism was and is the opposition to that dream & its achievement.

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Sure, of course the point is that not all Jews believed in that goal.

Some opposed it on secular terms as being in their words "a fools errand to try and make European Jewry into peasants in Palestine"

Others on religious grounds…

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Redbrickbear said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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J.R. said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

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He apparently had a tough time landing a job out of college and blames companies for exploiting immigrants here on work visas for his inability to get a good job back then. Hence his current world view that any immigration is bad. And, despite all of his protesting, he really is the board's biggest racist since Doug/BEAR was banned.

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Actually, Mass immigration of 3rd worlders tends to suppress the wages of the non-college educated class.

It's economic war against the lower class (and the just arrived previous immigrants)

Bringing in millions of people a year has all kinds of effects.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post since he is a college graduate who was competing with people over here on H1B visas.

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Just a point….i assume H1B visas have a similar
effect as well but mostly in STEM

Though at least those immigrants are coming with some education and job skills.

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Well, there are two sides to every story:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa-program-fact-sheet

Personally I have worked with a number of physicians who come over during residency on H1B visas. In order to match into programs, they usually have to score much higher on the USMLE exams than American graduates and are usually stuck taking unfilled positions in less desirable specialties. Many are forced to take preliminary spots (one year contracts) and have to outperform their classmates in order to get recommendations to eventually have to opportunity to get categorical spots (guaranteed pathway to completing a residency). Despite having the deck stacked against them, many are able to finish, get green cards, and ultimately become great citizens who contribute meaningfully to their communities.

If I am this board's biggest racist that suggests either the word racist has lost all meaning or Sic'Em365 has collectively reached such a state of enlighten that scholars will be combing through the various posts made here for centuries and creating new philosophies and religions.

Mb you'll even get your own sect called the Creepo's who will devote themselves to your sage wisdoms.

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Just because it's small relative to all the other more useful spending doesn't excuse the fact that it is completely 100% extraneous, inane waste of money that provides negligible benefit to the average tax payer.

So far your argument for continuing aid to Israel can be summed up with: "They're my friend!"

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So, give us your foreign policy? Where do we fit in the world? Is there anyone that the US should help?

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No foreign aid. No foreign wars. Fair Trade.

America first. American citizens first. And American tax payers really, really come first.

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that is the most uninformed take I have heard lately. What rock did you crawl from? Let me guess, you are an angry white dude in his 20s how has not a lot of work experience and spends too much time in front of Fox News.

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Angry 20 year old Gen. Z kids....a cohort well known to be Fox news viewers lol

Do you even research before you write something like that?

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no, it is fairly apparent by his lack of understand how the world works. Probably never have traveled much. Fox on the loop. Maybe he can give us his background.

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He apparently had a tough time landing a job out of college and blames companies for exploiting immigrants here on work visas for his inability to get a good job back then. Hence his current world view that any immigration is bad. And, despite all of his protesting, he really is the board's biggest racist since Doug/BEAR was banned.

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Actually, Mass immigration of 3rd worlders tends to suppress the wages of the non-college educated class.

It's economic war against the lower class (and the just arrived previous immigrants)

Bringing in millions of people a year has all kinds of effects.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post since he is a college graduate who was competing with people over here on H1B visas.

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Just a point….i assume H1B visas have a similar
effect as well but mostly in STEM

Though at least those immigrants are coming with some education and job skills.

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Well, there are two sides to every story:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa-program-fact-sheet

Personally I have worked with a number of physicians who come over during residency on H1B visas. In order to match into programs, they usually have to score much higher on the USMLE exams than American graduates and are usually stuck taking unfilled positions in less desirable specialties. Many are forced to take preliminary spots (one year contracts) and have to outperform their classmates in order to get recommendations to eventually have to opportunity to get categorical spots (guaranteed pathway to completing a residency). Despite having the deck stacked against them, many are able to finish, get green cards, and ultimately become great citizens who contribute meaningfully to their communities.

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No doubt that is true.

Some huge successes have come from immigration and some scams as well

Abbott wants to help expand the Indian IT outsourcing company HCL Technologies in Texas. The company that was responsible for this debacle regarding the Boeing 737-Max: https://t.co/Qb9kYur2VC pic.twitter.com/0OlDIHOVAV

— U.S. Tech Workers (@USTechWorkers) January 26, 2024

Outside of the defense industry which requires some level of security clearances, we have completely and thoroughly replaced all other STEM industries with foreign born people. Just as we have outsourced computering, manufacturing, and our entire medical supply chain to India, China, and Taiwan.

Mb this was unavoidable, but our "leaders" never even put up a fight.

But most of the folks on here probably think this is a good thing and would sell their own mother for a few dollars.

I never said all Jews agreed. That is irrelevant. It is probably impossible for any distinct group of people numbering in the millions to agree on anything. There will always be naysayers and contrarians for some reason.

Correction: you have a valid point about 19th century European Jews opposing Zionism. Many did, especially at the beginning, because they were afraid the movement would jeopardize their position in their home country (Germany, France, etc). I was looking at it from a different perspective, a mostly contemporaneous one.

Fetterman for President

Pro-Palestinian and Hamas Supporters laid Siege to the Home of U.S. Democratic Senator, John Fetterman in Braddock, Pennsylvania tonight, with Senator Fetterman having Responded to the Harassment by going onto his Roof and Waving an Israeli Flag. pic.twitter.com/W9tMheTkJJ

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) January 27, 2024

Isn't his wife Jewish?

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Isn't his wife Jewish?

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She's Brazilian, so don't think so.

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Fetterman for President

Pro-Palestinian and Hamas Supporters laid Siege to the Home of U.S. Democratic Senator, John Fetterman in Braddock, Pennsylvania tonight, with Senator Fetterman having Responded to the Harassment by going onto his Roof and Waving an Israeli Flag. pic.twitter.com/W9tMheTkJJ

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) January 27, 2024

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Had to be posted

https://t.co/o4xYfiMCyS pic.twitter.com/MKeHaK3DpP

— Prison Mitch (@MidnightMitch) January 27, 2024

Holy moly that's $5,500 per! About 6x the price from the already crazy high numbers in 2018 https://t.co/FZUCvBjKsL

— Adam Townsend (@adamscrabble) January 27, 2024

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Holy moly that's $5,500 per! About 6x the price from the already crazy high numbers in 2018 https://t.co/FZUCvBjKsL

— Adam Townsend (@adamscrabble) January 27, 2024

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Add NATO to the list of places US tax payer money shouldn't be going to.

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Every one of my argument was completely valid.

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

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[When learning of this vote, many people familiar with Jewish history might have suppressed a sardonic laugh. Anti-Zionism, after all, was a creation of Jews, not their enemies.


Before World War II, Zionism was the most divisive and heatedly debated issue in the Jewish world. Anti-Zionism had left-wing variants and right-wing variants religious variants and secular variants as well as variants in every country where Jews resided. For anyone who knows this history, it is astonishing that, as the resolution would have it, opposition to Zionism has been equated with opposition to Judaism and not only to Judaism, but to hatred of Jews themselves. But this conflation has nothing to do with history. Instead, it is political, and its purpose has been to discredit Israel's opponents as racists.


Race has always been at the heart of the debate. Many anti-Zionists believed the Jews were, in their parlance, "a church." This meant that, although they shared certain beliefs, traditions and affinities with coreligionists in other nations, they nonetheless belonged as fully to their own national communities as anyone else. For them, an American Jew was a Jewish American, just as an Episcopalian American or a Catholic American was an American first of all. They were unwilling to subscribe to any idea suggesting that the Jews were a race, separate and, as the anti-semites would have it, unassimilable. These people did not consider themselves to be in exile, as the Zionists would have it. They considered themselves to be at home. They feared that the insistence on ethnicity or race could open them to the old accusations of double loyalty, undermining attempts to achieve equality.

In fact, anti-Zionist thinking predates Zionism. It emerges from the possibility that first appeared at the end of the 18th century. In 1790, in his famous letter to the Jews of Newport, R.I., George Washington declared that "all possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens."]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/02/anti-zionism-antisemitism-israel-jews-came-first/

Anti-Zionism actually has a long intellectual history within the Jewish community itself...

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What Anti-Zionists mean in the current reality is that Israel, as a political nation, should be eradicated/terminated.

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That would come as quite the surprise to actual Jewish anti-Zionists today.

And not just among some liberal secular Jews.

There are large factions of Hardi Judaism who reject Zionism and have large and growing populations.

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There are NO thriving Jewish communities in the Arab nations surrounding Israel.

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Which was not the case before the founding of Israel. Perhaps tending to confirm the fears of Jewish anti-Zionists.