Netanyahu said "we are at war,"

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In reply to J.R. • 6:02p, 4/4/24
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muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?
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J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












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In reply to J.R. • 7:48p, 4/4/24
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
Glad to agree with you on some things. Props.
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FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.
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In reply to J.R. • 7:55p, 4/4/24
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.


Agreed


Now cut funding for Ukraine as well.

Then cut the billions being sent to Jordan.

Then cut the billions being sent to Egypt.

Match our NATO contribution to that of the highest spending partner.

Not a penny more .

We have played Europe's ***** for almost 80 years.

If after all this time they STILL don't have the will to defend themselves ……..



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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:40a, 4/5/24
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Harrison Bergeron said:
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So you're trying to win over muslim voters in Michigan and you say some stupid Zio boomer crap like that.
Zero percent chance he said that. If someone can share a video / tape, I'll stand corrected.


I guess you stand corrected bc he said it.



This guy is out of his f'ing mind.


Do these GOP types ever talk about Americans enemies with the passion that they talk about Israel's enemies?
I do. And so should you.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:53a, 4/5/24
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FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












see that part you wrote in bold. Total US aid (military and economic) to Israel is $3.3b per year. The SALE of F-15s is $18b. (and we've also approved sale of 25 F-35s.

Israeli military PURCHASES exceed military aid (by orders of magnitude).

Think, man....THINK!
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In reply to KaiBear • 8:52a, 4/5/24
KaiBear said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.


Agreed


Now cut funding for Ukraine as well.

Then cut the billions being sent to Jordan.

Then cut the billions being sent to Egypt.

Match our NATO contribution to that of the highest spending partner.

Not a penny more .

We have played Europe's ***** for almost 80 years.

If after all this time they STILL don't have the will to defend themselves ……..



most Nato countries have stepped up their spending and Trumps get credit for that.
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In reply to J.R. • 10:09a, 4/5/24
J.R. said:
KaiBear said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.


Agreed


Now cut funding for Ukraine as well.

Then cut the billions being sent to Jordan.

Then cut the billions being sent to Egypt.

Match our NATO contribution to that of the highest spending partner.

Not a penny more .

We have played Europe's ***** for almost 80 years.

If after all this time they STILL don't have the will to defend themselves ……..



most Nato countries have stepped up their spending and Trumps get credit for that.
Agree 100%. Trump got them going. I just wish we kept a Heavy Armor Division over there. We are down to three Brigades. Shell of our former strength in Europe, that was started by Bush and maintained by Obama and Trump.

It was a favorite duty station for Armor... Beats the hell out of Killean, El Paso, Kansas or Georgia.

Seems like we are only keeping the ****-holes of the world. Navy and Marines still have Japan.
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Even Dr. Phil gets it!

WATCH: The Moment Dr. Phil Became All of Us While Demolishing a Pro-Hamas Lunatic https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/04/05/watch-the-moment-dr-phil-became-all-of-us-while-confronting-a-pro-hamas-lunatic-n2172345

So why can't our resident Hamas apologists understand basic common sense reality? Probably for the same reason the trans community cannot deal with reality, along with every other radical Leftist.
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In reply to J.R. • 12:41p, 4/5/24
J.R. said:
KaiBear said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.


Agreed


Now cut funding for Ukraine as well.

Then cut the billions being sent to Jordan.

Then cut the billions being sent to Egypt.

Match our NATO contribution to that of the highest spending partner.

Not a penny more .

We have played Europe's ***** for almost 80 years.

If after all this time they STILL don't have the will to defend themselves ……..



most Nato countries have stepped up their spending and Trumps get credit for that.


Which is an improvement.

But why in the world is the US STILL carrying most of the financial load protecting Europe 80 years after the end of
WW2 ?


US taxpayers are being played
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In reply to KaiBear • 1:28p, 4/5/24
That's why Trump did what he did. It's also why Europe is taking some more responsibility and it's popular with many Americans because it makes sense.
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In reply to historian • 1:38p, 4/5/24
historian said:
That's why Trump did what he did. It's also why Europe is taking some more responsibility and it's popular with many Americans because it makes sense.
Until their decisions go contrary to what US wants...
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In reply to KaiBear • 5:58p, 4/5/24
KaiBear said:
J.R. said:
KaiBear said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.


Agreed


Now cut funding for Ukraine as well.

Then cut the billions being sent to Jordan.

Then cut the billions being sent to Egypt.

Match our NATO contribution to that of the highest spending partner.

Not a penny more .

We have played Europe's ***** for almost 80 years.

If after all this time they STILL don't have the will to defend themselves ……..



most Nato countries have stepped up their spending and Trumps get credit for that.


Which is an improvement.

But why in the world is the US STILL carrying most of the financial load protecting Europe 80 years after the end of
WW2 ?


US taxpayers are being played



Note: The US also has a lot of groups in Korea and Japan too.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 6:18p, 4/5/24
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
KaiBear said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.


Agreed


Now cut funding for Ukraine as well.

Then cut the billions being sent to Jordan.

Then cut the billions being sent to Egypt.

Match our NATO contribution to that of the highest spending partner.

Not a penny more .

We have played Europe's ***** for almost 80 years.

If after all this time they STILL don't have the will to defend themselves ……..



most Nato countries have stepped up their spending and Trumps get credit for that.
Agree 100%. Trump got them going. I just wish we kept a Heavy Armor Division over there. We are down to three Brigades. Shell of our former strength in Europe, that was started by Bush and maintained by Obama and Trump.

It was a favorite duty station for Armor... Beats the hell out of Killean, El Paso, Kansas or Georgia.

Seems like we are only keeping the ****-holes of the world. Navy and Marines still have Japan.

When we send one back, it'll likely be going to Poland, who wants one, rather than Germany, who doesn't.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 6:37p, 4/5/24
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

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In reply to whiterock • 7:44p, 4/5/24
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over there but the optics are very bad for Israel. That and their whole goyim have no souls so they can kill them if they want attitude rubs a lof of the rest of the world the wrong way. As an American I dont want a war over there and they have a habit of starting wars they drag us into. Lets all remember that Bibi and the neocons game planned the Iraq/Syria/Libya wars and helped get us to fight it for them.
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muddybrazos said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...


Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 9:13p, 4/5/24
Yes, that is quite possible. That's the reality of geopolitics.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 9:23p, 4/5/24
Yes, the Palestinians are the modern equivalent of Nazis. They want to kill all Jews. It's in their charter. They are more transparent about their desire for a new Holocaust than Hitler ever was publicly. They blatantly & viciously started a new war that threatens to escalate into a world war. They routinely lie about everything with a strong propaganda machine, granted digit greatly by the UN, the international media, & many western governments including our own. How many more similarities does one need?

The biggest difference is how many other countries support them one way or another.

Godwin's Law doesn't apply when there are legitimate comparisons.
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Redbrickbear said:
muddybrazos said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...


Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.


That's a historically & geographically inaccurate analogy. The Israelis had historic roots in Israel going back 4,000+ years. Mexico has only been a nation for about 20 years after gaining independence from Spain in the 1820s. Also, any glance at a map of the region makes clear how tiny Israel is compared to the Arab lands.

Lastly, the so-called Palestinians were offered a two state solution multiple times over the past century and rejected it each time because they hated the Jews so much.

I've said it before: Israel is fighting for their survival against a barbaric, genocidal enemy. They have no choice but to destroy Hamas given who they are and what they do. Every civilized person on the planet should support them for those reasons alone. Instead, we have all kinds of fascists, wimps, ignoramuses, & other malcontents who blindly accept & repeat Hamas propaganda. In essence, everyone supporting Hamas is aligned to modern Nazis. Either they are allies or they are collaborators, neither is morally or logically acceptable.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 9:41p, 4/5/24
I never saw any images of Israelis celebrating 9-11. I do have a distinct memory of Palestinians celebrating, however, although it disappeared within a relatively short time.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 6:32a, 4/6/24
muddybrazos said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over there but the optics are very bad for Israel. That and their whole goyim have no souls so they can kill them if they want attitude rubs a lof of the rest of the world the wrong way. As an American I dont want a war over there and they have a habit of starting wars they drag us into. Lets all remember that Bibi and the neocons game planned the Iraq/Syria/Libya wars and helped get us to fight it for them.
Fallacies build upon falsehoods.

Demographic clearly refute the "sudden move" fallacy: Jews have been in Palestine for many thousands of years. It is their "homeland" stretching back so far the exact time of their emergence is hard to pinpoint. It is their homeland. In the recent era, they were a majority until the 4th century. The low point, 1600-1700's, Jews got as low as 20% of their population (due to the "sudden move" of islam into the equation). By the end of the 1800's (under Ottoman Rule, mind you), they had regained parity with Muslims. They reached a majority position BEFORE British Rule during the the 20th century.

Politics was the driving force in the rise of Palestinian terror = the formation of the Israeli state. Such would not have been contentious during the colonial period, as Arabs were mostly under colonial control themselves and islamism was dormant everywhere except among the intelligentsia (Sayyid Qtib and most of the early AQ movement were all academics). Since the formation of Israel occurred after the dispersal of colonial possessions, Arab worldview controlled states which were free to make/execute policy. And the existence of a Jewish state (or a Christian state....) in the islamic world was anathema to islamic sensibilities. The rise of islamism in the post-colonial period only accentuated the dynamic - the Arab states were mostly secular leftist regimes seeking to repress islamist sentiments, and virtue posturing against the Israeli state not only "felt right" to even the most ardent Baathist, but had the practical value of pandering to islamist sentiments that tended to undercut the appeal of the islamist movements. ("look how good a muslim Mubarak is...he attacked Israel!")

So all you're doing here is repeating Palestinian propaganda. The wars that Israel fought in the past and fight today are 100% about islam seeking to restore sharia in Palestine. It's not driven solely by anti-semitism. It's driven by the extreme intolerance that islam has toward ANY other faith. Americans, with all our adoration of multiculturalism, have a genetic aversion to recognizing the simple truth of what is driving Arab-Israeli conflict - the deepest and most irritable religious intolerance on the planet = islam. Palestinians have available to them everything any free citizen could want, if they'd just accept the existence of a Jewsh state next to them. The cannot bring themselves to do it. So here we are.

Like a citizen of most democracies, I don't want to get into a war anywhere. Unfortunately, most other countries are not democracies, particularly some of the largest and most powerful countries, and their leaders do not at all share our aversion to war. They can, will, and have brought war to us before. They are doing it again, as we speak.

WWIII has already started, friend. It's in the shatterzone, mostly between proxies for the two sides. But the table is set. The way to avoid my kids, and millions of kids of other parents, being directly involved in future conflict is to make sure that our proxies win the current conflicts. Disengaging from it all, folding our tents and coming home is not going to avoid anything. It's going to make the conflicts grow. It's going to make our adversaries stronger. It's going to bring a bigger war closer. That's not just the clear lesson of history, it's the stated intent of BOTH Russia and China, who are dead set on reordering maps.

We're going to win either way. It's madness not to win it while it's smaller and more manageable.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:35a, 4/6/24
Redbrickbear said:
muddybrazos said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...


Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

see my post to muddybrazos. You are polishing up a long line of hundeschiesse that Jews up & suddenly all moved to Palestine. Did. Not. Happen.
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In reply to muddybrazos • 6:43a, 4/6/24
muddybrazos said:


completely understandable, if you understand how the world works.

"Being saturated and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful."
--Winston Churchill, upon being told of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, knowing it meant America would be joining the war

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In reply to whiterock • 7:12a, 4/6/24
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
muddybrazos said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...


Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

You are polishing up a long line of hundeschiesse that Jews up & suddenly all moved to Palestine. Did. Not. Happen.


That did not happen?

[First Aliyah (1882-1903)
Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to the Ottoman Palestine, joining the pre-existing Jewish population which in 1880 numbered 20,000. The Jews immigrating arrived in groups that had been assembled, or recruited.]

[In the 1930s and 1940s, Zionist historians began to divide the next periods of immigration to Palestine into different phases, in a form which "created and presumed the unique traits of aliyah and the Zionist enterprise".[26] The currently accepted five-wave periodization was first published in Hebrew by sociologist David Gurevich in his 1944 work The Jewish Population of Palestine: Immigration, Demographic Structure and Natural Growth:[27] the First Aliyah and the Second Aliyah to Ottoman Palestine, followed by the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Aliyah to Mandatory Palestine.[27] Following Ruppin and Jacob Lestschinsky before him, Gurevich's use of the term Aliyah emphasized the ideological element of the immigration]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#:~:text=First%20Aliyah%20(18821903),-Main%20article%3A%20First&text=Between%201882%20and%201903%2C%20approximately,had%20been%20assembled%2C%20or%20recruited.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 7:32a, 4/6/24
Redbrickbear said:
whiterock said:
Redbrickbear said:
muddybrazos said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
FLBear5630 said:
muddybrazos said:
boognish_bear said:
Only thing Biden has done worth a crap yet. Bibi doesnt care, though. He will probably keep trying to escalate this into a regional conflict thinking that he can draw America into yet another mid east war.
I don't think Israel wants a regional war, especially allies that they would have to coordinate with and worse clear tactics. They would much rather be left alone and finish off Gaza.
they can do that if they like, but they should get ZERO $ or airplanes, bombs ect from us. Tired of being their *****. They just do not care. Eff them.
When have they ever?



Uh we sell them weapons yearly…some years like this one…we send even more












Israel gets free taxpayer money from us and weapons and they use it to genocide Palestinians while Zionists like historian insist that the Palestinians are actually nazis.

Because they actually ARE.

If you'd ever stood around platter of roasted chicken and rice, and ate it it bare-handed with them (a cultural bonding deal), you'd understand just what ethno-centric, Jew-hating Nazis they really are.

It is hard to convey the ease and frequency with which an Arab can utter the coarsest anti-Semitic comments imaginable. They do it reflexively, as casually as observing what is the weather today. They don't do it in this country, of course. They know better. But go to their turf and stand alone in a room with a dozen or more of them and just "enjoy the show." It's so culturally ingrained theres no practical way of ever changing it, only Pavlovian deterrence, which is being taught as we speak.

I'm noit a fan of Isalm or Palestine but if a bunch of Jews all the sudden moved into my country and took it over I probably would hate them too. I really have no dog in the fight over...


Often times I have tried to bring up the hypothetical that Mexicans decide that Texas is their "holy land" and in mass they move into settle and take the land.

They drive Anglos into a small coastal strip around Galveston and going down the coast and out into the high plains around Lubbock (llano estacado).

They get the international community and China to declare a partition of Texas as lawful and legal.

They take the rest of the land and create a New Mexican nation.

How would Texas Anglos react? How should they react?

Now add in that the Mexicans are now militarily occupying the Texas panhandle (reserved for the Anglos) and are bringing in more settlers to settle/take more of the land.

And that this has been going on since 1967….55 years of occupation.

You are polishing up a long line of hundeschiesse that Jews up & suddenly all moved to Palestine. Did. Not. Happen.


That did not happen?

[First Aliyah (1882-1903)
Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to the Ottoman Palestine, joining the pre-existing Jewish population which in 1880 numbered 20,000. The Jews immigrating arrived in groups that had been assembled, or recruited.]

[In the 1930s and 1940s, Zionist historians began to divide the next periods of immigration to Palestine into different phases, in a form which "created and presumed the unique traits of aliyah and the Zionist enterprise".[26] The currently accepted five-wave periodization was first published in Hebrew by sociologist David Gurevich in his 1944 work The Jewish Population of Palestine: Immigration, Demographic Structure and Natural Growth:[27] the First Aliyah and the Second Aliyah to Ottoman Palestine, followed by the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Aliyah to Mandatory Palestine.[27] Following Ruppin and Jacob Lestschinsky before him, Gurevich's use of the term Aliyah emphasized the ideological element of the immigration]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#:~:text=First%20Aliyah%20(18821903),-Main%20article%3A%20First&text=Between%201882%20and%201903%2C%20approximately,had%20been%20assembled%2C%20or%20recruited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

So the war today is a function of something that happened 150 years ago?
UNDER OTTOMAN RULE?
Muslims let more Jews into Palestine, so Hamas has to exterminate them all?
The Jews have been a majority of the population since 1914, and only NOW it's genocide?

Your allegory does not match reality, because you are not looking at facts clearly. It's not the presence of Jews in Palestine that's causing the problem. It's the presence of a Jewish State in Palestine that's causing the problem.

That's a pretty big problem, given that Jews are 73% of the population.
In such a context, cordoning off areas for Palestinians to have self- rule makes a ton of sense. Israel has no problem with that. It's the Palestinians who have a problem with that.....they want to cleanse all the Jews out of Israel and terminate the Israeli state.

You have your head up your arse on this.......
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