lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
Netanyahu said "we are at war,"
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ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
That's what it looks like when a dictatorship falls. Paybacks happen. In fact, when order breaks down in third world ****holes, many seize the opportunity to settle old scores. Old tribal feuds that have no impact on the outcome of things......personal vendettas.......even taking out your main rival at work. Very ugly stuff. Some of my agents were out "settling scores" during periods of instability only to learn later that "other people" came by their houses, too (to settle old scores). If they'd been there, they'd not likely have survived.
The nuts & bolts of what police states do to maintain power is very ugly stuff, too...just at a slower, more deliberate pace spread out over years and decades.
The allegation you and others are maintaining is that the new regime is ISIS 2.0 who will slaughter all the Christians in a sustained mass genocide. The new regime already controls the primary Christian areas of Syria, which are on the line of advance the rebels used to overthrow the regime. One would think the genocide of Christians would have already started.
Let us know when that happens.
Right now, it's pretty clear the new regime is focused (appropriately) on purging old regime structures/people.
That's usually how it goes in places which do not use ballot boxes to change leadership.
ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
Now Israel is bombing the **** out of Syria.
Their jets and pilots must be wearing out.
Wondering how their munition stockpiles are holding up ?
Their jets and pilots must be wearing out.
Wondering how their munition stockpiles are holding up ?
I believe the US participated in some of these bombings to eliminate some of the weapons that Syria Government had stock-piled.KaiBear said:
Now Israel is bombing the **** out of Syria.
Their jets and pilots must be wearing out.
Wondering how their munition stockpiles are holding up ?
whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing. He's been a catalyst for over a decade.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
In all likely hood it was mostly Sunni Muslims (the base of the anti-Assad movement) that fled out of the country.
While the Alawites stayed in country (the base of the pro-Assad movement)
Christians seem to have been mixed (many leaving but some staying depending on where they were and if they were safe)
Kurds as well seem to have stayed put since they early on in the civil war carved out a large area of control for themselves...(with support from the USA)....Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES), also known as Rojava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria
Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Apparently you felt the need to justify that absurdity with your irrelevant concept of extremists. Maybe you should have kept scrolling.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing. He's been a catalyst for over a decade.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
How many have fled since 2003?
You guys act like American interventionism is actually effective and not just a complete waste of blood and treasure while simultaneously making everything worse and increasing threats to our national security.
ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
There are fewer than 350,000 Christian's left in Syria. There were 5 times that when this started.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
In all likely hood it was mostly Sunni Muslims (the base of the anti-Assad movement) that fled out of the country.
While the Alawites stayed in country (the base of the pro-Assad movement)
Christians seem to have been mixed (many leaving but some staying depending on where they were and if they were safe)
Kurds as well seem to have stayed put since they early on in the civil war carved out a large area of control for themselves...(with support from the USA)....Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES), also known as Rojava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria
So I ask what exactly is the point of your response? That this hasn't already been the world's biggest refugee crisis for the past decade+? That Assad has done some bang up job of protecting Christians, or any group for that matter, as some have asserted?
I didn't predict the outcome for Alawites, Kurds, or the remaining Christians, as some of you seem determined to do. I only know that for as long as war continues, it will be hard on all Syrians as has been the case since 2011.
ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Apparently you felt the need to justify that absurdity with your irrelevant concept of extremists. Maybe you should have kept scrolling.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
I would fully support Greater Israel if it means no more AIPAC or ADL because all the Jews corrupting my country exercised their true loyalties and moved over to live in their promised land after accomplishing all of their goals
But the stereotype of Jews being greedy exists for a reason. They would undoubtedly find some new grievance and decide they need all the land in America too because they are chosen people so they deserve it or some other such rubbish.
What was your point of bringing up "the Royal Grant" to my reply?Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
This one was bigger than just American interventionism, but our hands aren't clean.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing. He's been a catalyst for over a decade.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
How many have fled since 2003?
You guys act like American interventionism is actually effective and not just a complete waste of blood and treasure while simultaneously making everything worse and increasing threats to our national security.
ATL Bear said:What was your point of bringing up "the Royal Grant" to my reply?Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
Showing that people have literally been throwing out hypothetical maps about "Greater Israel" for 100 years or more
Duh
ATL Bear said:There are fewer than 350,000 Christian's left in Syria. There were 5 times that when this started.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
In all likely hood it was mostly Sunni Muslims (the base of the anti-Assad movement) that fled out of the country.
While the Alawites stayed in country (the base of the pro-Assad movement)
Christians seem to have been mixed (many leaving but some staying depending on where they were and if they were safe)
Kurds as well seem to have stayed put since they early on in the civil war carved out a large area of control for themselves...(with support from the USA)....Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES), also known as Rojava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria
You said there were half as many Alawites and Kurds in country.
Well there is no way to know that....the point of the discussion.
And I responded that the Alawites were government supporters (so no need for them to flee in massive numbers) and the Kurds carved out a large area of control for themselves early in the war (so again no need for them to massively leave the country)
Christians were more widely dispersed across the country and in small minority pockets with no support from anyone.
The Alawites had strong holds in Latakia province and the Kurds in the northeast regions.
He didn't just throw out a "hypothetical map". He said Israel is actively pursuing the map. To which you felt compelled to bolster his assertion.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:What was your point of bringing up "the Royal Grant" to my reply?Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
Showing that people have literally been throwing out hypothetical maps about "Greater Israel" for 100 years or more
Duh
You are difficult to converse with due to a lack of self awareness and reading comprehension. I didn't say there were half as many Alawites and Kurds. I said the combined populations of Kurds, Alawites, and Christians in Syria right now isn't even half of the 14 million Syrians that have already fled the country.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:There are fewer than 350,000 Christian's left in Syria. There were 5 times that when this started.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
In all likely hood it was mostly Sunni Muslims (the base of the anti-Assad movement) that fled out of the country.
While the Alawites stayed in country (the base of the pro-Assad movement)
Christians seem to have been mixed (many leaving but some staying depending on where they were and if they were safe)
Kurds as well seem to have stayed put since they early on in the civil war carved out a large area of control for themselves...(with support from the USA)....Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES), also known as Rojava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria
You said there were half as many Alawites and Kurds in country.
Well there is no way to know that....the point of the discussion.
And I responded that the Alawites were government supporters (so no need for them to flee in massive numbers) and the Kurds carved out a large area of control for themselves early in the war (so again no need for them to massively leave the country)
Christians were more widely dispersed across the country and in small minority pockets with no support from anyone.
The Alawites had strong holds in Latakia province and the Kurds in the northeast regions.
The point is that there has been a mass exodus and refugee crisis for over a decade, and all this sudden concern over a genocide, ethnic cleansing, or whatever is not because Assad isn't in power, but the result of an ongoing war, and has been part of it for a decade under Assad.
ATL Bear said:You are difficult to converse with due to a lack of self awareness and reading comprehension. I didn't say there were half as many Alawites and Kurds. I said the combined populations of Kurds, Alawites, and Christians in Syria right now isn't even half of the 14 million Syrians that have already fled the country.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:There are fewer than 350,000 Christian's left in Syria. There were 5 times that when this started.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
In all likely hood it was mostly Sunni Muslims (the base of the anti-Assad movement) that fled out of the country.
While the Alawites stayed in country (the base of the pro-Assad movement)
Christians seem to have been mixed (many leaving but some staying depending on where they were and if they were safe)
Kurds as well seem to have stayed put since they early on in the civil war carved out a large area of control for themselves...(with support from the USA)....Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES), also known as Rojava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria
You said there were half as many Alawites and Kurds in country.
Well there is no way to know that....the point of the discussion.
And I responded that the Alawites were government supporters (so no need for them to flee in massive numbers) and the Kurds carved out a large area of control for themselves early in the war (so again no need for them to massively leave the country)
Christians were more widely dispersed across the country and in small minority pockets with no support from anyone.
The Alawites had strong holds in Latakia province and the Kurds in the northeast regions.
The point is that there has been a mass exodus and refugee crisis for over a decade, and all this sudden concern over a genocide, ethnic cleansing, or whatever is not because Assad isn't in power, but the result of an ongoing war, and has been part of it for a decade under Assad.
There are still plenty of Christians, alawites, and Kurds in Syria that are at risk from violent jihadists
You attempted to down play the numbers
As was proven to you most alawites and Kurds didn't even flee abroad
Most of those who fled were Sunni Muslims (and a minority of Christians)
Assad is gone…and the jihadis are now responsible for the own behavior toward ethnic-religious minorities
ATL Bear said:This one was bigger than just American interventionism, but our hands aren't clean.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing. He's been a catalyst for over a decade.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
How many have fled since 2003?
You guys act like American interventionism is actually effective and not just a complete waste of blood and treasure while simultaneously making everything worse and increasing threats to our national security.
Cut to 9:55.
Greater Russia is a thing, for sure. They will invade and kill and destroy and genocide and ethnic cleans to achieve it. Done it for centuries. Done it recently. Doing exactly that exactly now, as a matter of fact.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
Israel, on the other hand has handed back almost all of the territories it has seized in wars in which it has been attacked. So there really isn't any historical or current precedent for a "greater Isreal" and rather more evidence to the contrary.
I suspect that first sentence is a typo, since the rest of your post seemed to agree that the reprisals occurring now are mostly aimed at Alawites. That is to be expected.Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
not saying Christians will not get caught up in this. Syria at one point in time was a Christian country, and it's been all downhill for them from there. Very few left. Google up "Pact of Umar" to see why....the treaty between the 2nd caliph and the Syrian Christian community is a bedrock document in sharia laying out how religious minorities are to be treated (2nd class status designed to coerce conversions over time). Worked, too. Islam is particularly good at sectarian cleansing, one way or another. But mass extermination at the point of the sword is not in the cards here. The regime has too much to lose to do that.
Despite their participation in the Assad regime, Syrian Christians do not have any greater rights on practice of faith than Christian minorities elsewhere in that region.
1. Mentioning various other "greater x" projects does not mean they are all the same. Not sure why you even feel the need to talk about the greater russian project....I am not defending itwhiterock said:Greater Russia is a thing, for sure. They will invade and kill and destroy and genocide and ethnic cleans to achieve it. Done it for centuries. Done it recently. Doing exactly that exactly now, as a matter of fact.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
Israel, on the other hand has handed back almost all of the territories it has seized in wars in which it has been attacked. So there really isn't any historical or current precedent for a "greater Isreal" and rather more evidence to the contrary.
2. The modern Israeli State conquering and settling the West Bank and Golan heights could certainly be considered a "greater Israel" project.
Why do you think the international community keeps passing resolutions against both occupations/settlements
Though Israel has certainly show that it will give back land for long term peace...aka the Sinai situation with Egypt
whiterock said:I suspect that first sentence is a typo, since the rest of your post seemed to agree that the reprisals occurring now are mostly aimed at Alawites. That is to be expected.Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
1. No, I just think its very unlikely that the lynch mob was Alawites
They were probably Sunni Muslims
Just because Alawites make up a majority in Latakia and Tartus provinces does not mean they are the only people there.
Good chance its Sunni Muslims there taking out there revenge than it is Alawites turning on Assad loyalists (though its possible)
2. Christians have always been politically persecuted/discriminated against in Syria by the Baathists.
But at least their Holy sites were not destroyed and they were not harmed in general unless they opposed the government.
We will see if the new Syrian rebels treat them like ISIS or like the old Assad regime
That guy's crazy and pushing a book. But thanks for posting.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:This one was bigger than just American interventionism, but our hands aren't clean.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:14 million Syrians have fled the country since 2011. There aren't even half that many Alawites, Christians, and Kurds combined left in the country today. You guys act like this is some new crisis that Assad was preventing. He's been a catalyst for over a decade.The_barBEARian said:Redbrickbear said:whiterock said:I saw a video yesterday of Bashir Assad's cousin being hung by the neck until dead in a town square in front of a jubilant crowd of thousands. We don't know who those people were in Latakia. Most likely, they were Alawites (muslims) given that area is the Alawite homeland.Realitybites said:
Reality didn't take long to manifest itself at all.
"Al-Mayadeen reports on Tuesday that a video circulating on social media shows armed militants from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), the Al-Qaeda offshoot that took control of Damascus on Saturday, carrying out field executions of unarmed men in the village of al-Rabia in the countryside of Latakia."
Extremist Groups Carry Out Revenge, Sectarian Killings In HTS-Controlled Syria
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/extremist-groups-carry-out-revenge-sectarian-killings-hts-controlled-syria
Mostly likely they were not alawites
There are videos coming out of Jihadists (Sunni Muslims) killing alawites in the fields execution style
And the Alawites fought hard for the Syrian government under Assad
They sustained heavy casualties supporting the government in the war
[In the early days of the Syrian civil war, many Alawites felt compelled to back Assad, fearing that a rebel victory would lead to a slaughter of the Alawite community, especially as the conflict took on an increasingly sectarian cast....Reports estimate that up to a third of 250,000 young Alawite men of fighting age had been killed in the war by 2015]
Considering that there were only 2-3 million alawites in Syria before the war that is a serious commitment to the war effort.
Alawites, Christians, Kurds... they are all now on the endangered species list and expect US and Europe to have to take in the survivors... but hey, at least Israel got to expand its borders Russia lost some navy base
How many have fled since 2003?
You guys act like American interventionism is actually effective and not just a complete waste of blood and treasure while simultaneously making everything worse and increasing threats to our national security.
Cut to 9:55.
No sober, objective analysis of events in the last 75 could reasonably depict Israel as an aggressor state seeking to expand its borders at the expense of its neighbors. It is Israel which has repeatedly been attacked, by states and terror groups seeking to destroy it in entirety. In those wars, Israel's territorial gains can best be described as consolidation, to obtain defensible borders. Israeli armies have not entered, much less occupied the capitols any of its neighbors. It has given back substantially more acreage in exchange for peace than it has gained. At almost every opportunity, Israeli actions are strategically defensive. That would include what Israel is doing in Syria. They are seeking to ensure that the new Syrian state does not step into massive arsenals of weapons which can be used against Israel, directly or by proxies, and to forestall instability in Syrian approaches to Israel which could generate threats independent of any agendas underway in Damascus.Redbrickbear said:1. Mentioning various other "greater x" projects does not mean they are all the same. Not sure why you even feel the need to talk about the greater russian project....I am not defending it.whiterock said:Greater Russia is a thing, for sure. They will invade and kill and destroy and genocide and ethnic cleans to achieve it. Done it for centuries. Done it recently. Doing exactly that exactly now, as a matter of fact.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:Well, you're the one who decided to chime in on the idiotic assertion that Israel (not some extreme minority) is pursuing a Greater Israel into Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.Redbrickbear said:I never said it wasATL Bear said:A concept is not a fact. Just FYI.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:You can play historo/biblio-fantasy all you want, but the guy posted a map that had Mecca and Medina as part of "Greater" Israel.Redbrickbear said:ATL Bear said:lol..wut?? Some of you guys need to detox from social media. It's turned into the biggest psyop exercise ever conducted.muddybrazos said:
This Syria situation is only going to end well for Israel which is par for the course. More refugees will be pushed into Europe while Israel gets to steal more land and block off Iran. The world wouldve been better off with Quadaffi still in Libya, Saddam still in Iraq and Assad still in Syria and any opinion to the contrary is just CIA/Mossad propaganda.This is why Syria is falling. In case you want to keep calling me a conspiracy theorist
— E (@ElijahSchaffer) December 8, 2024
It will happen pic.twitter.com/LK2bi0MQQz
This is not a conspiracy and anyone familiar with the plans laid out in the Clean Break memo knows exactly what is happening and what is coming next.
I doubt "greater Israel" is a policy of the actual government in Tel Aviv (they are smart after all and not interested in pie in the sky fantasy)
But let's not act like the idea just came out of thin air.
Ultra-radical settlers and some ultra-orthodox float the idea that it's a biblical command to expand the State to the Euphrates River…it's an idea that has been around for centuries
Luckily they are a extreme minority
[The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.]
I'm not playing anything
And I didn't post the map with Mecca on it
I made a factual statement about the concept of greater Israel as it has been historically and still is (a real but minority concept)
You are arguing against yourself
I said it was a concept a few extremist minorities argue for...that is all
You made the false claim that its a concept that does not exist...when it does
I made the factual statement that it is an extremist concept that does in fact exist
Not sure why you are so trigged by this.....
Greater Israel, Greater Serbia, Greater Russia....all concepts that exist to one or more degree with varying levels of support
Israel, on the other hand has handed back almost all of the territories it has seized in wars in which it has been attacked. So there really isn't any historical or current precedent for a "greater Isreal" and rather more evidence to the contrary.
2. The modern Israeli State conquering and settling the West Bank and Golan heights could certainly be considered a "greater Israel" project.
Sorta. Kinda. Remember, Israel once occupied Gaza, but pulled out and turned over administration to the Palestinians. Jordan once illegally ANNEXED and occupied the West Bank, too, but they lost it in the 6-Day War.
What Hamas did on Oct 7 could be considered a "greater Palestine" project, too.
Why do you think the international community keeps passing resolutions against both occupations/settlements.
The international community has been passing anti-Israeli resolutions for 60+ years because most nations are dependent on imported oil, a disproportionate amount of which comes from islamic countries that hate Israel for religious reasons.
Though Israel has certainly show that it will give back land for long term peace...aka the Sinai situation with Egypt
Six Druze villages in southern Syria have asked to be annexed into Israel, for their own protection. That makes a ton of sense - Israel has a vastly superior record of pluralism than any islamic society.
The Druze faith is a splinter of Shia Islam. They actually do not consider themselves Muslim, but the muslim sects do. In that context, a Sunni regime in Damascus with any islamist tendencies at all would be alarming to the Druze. Sorta/Kinda...conceptually, the Druze are to islam what Mormonism is the Christianity. Druze are a bit more separated than that, but you get the idea...
At one of my posts, I used to drink Turkish coffee at least once a week with a Druze gentleman who owned a food distribution company I passed on the way to work. He was a very entertaining fellow. Great sense of humor. I think about him often.
Link to Interview
It is a given that most people haven't heard of the USS Liberty. It's something that is generally glossed over in history classes, if it is taught at all. Or at least it used to be that way.
The official explanation is it was a case of mistaken identity that led to the death of 34 American servicemen in an attack that lasted far longer - and with multiple waves - than a case of mistaken identity would allow for.
Friendly fire happens. Pat Tillman was the most recent well known case of this. The USS Liberty attack was absolutely not a case of friendly fire.
Go watch the video, and remember the casualties on that ship next time someone starts advocating for war in Ukraine, Syria, Iran, or elsewhere.
It is a given that most people haven't heard of the USS Liberty. It's something that is generally glossed over in history classes, if it is taught at all. Or at least it used to be that way.
The official explanation is it was a case of mistaken identity that led to the death of 34 American servicemen in an attack that lasted far longer - and with multiple waves - than a case of mistaken identity would allow for.
Friendly fire happens. Pat Tillman was the most recent well known case of this. The USS Liberty attack was absolutely not a case of friendly fire.
Go watch the video, and remember the casualties on that ship next time someone starts advocating for war in Ukraine, Syria, Iran, or elsewhere.
Hamas should be taking Trump’s threat of a Jan 20 deadline very seriously. https://t.co/1FYr1GZ2A4
— Kassy Akiva (@KassyAkiva) December 15, 2024