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Every election since post- President Washington the electorate has always shouted "There are no good candidates. I'll vote the lesser of two evils."
I'll vote for the candidate who tends to respect the humanity of its citizens in word and policy. Biden's my guy
bc he's a good guy and respects all the citizens he serves

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We talking about the same Joe Biden that believes roughly half the country are fascists?

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-donald-trump-presidential-pennsylvania-edd46881a1c0c71df97663ac37236f26

Yes, that certainly sounds like a great guy who respect all citizens.

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"all citizens he serves." he doesnt serve the MAGA crowd or the fly overs. He has made that abundantly clear many times over the last 3 years. People should believe him.

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He "serves" nothing more than his own and his family's wholly corrupt desires and ambitions, period. Anyone that can't see that is either hopelessly brainwashed and/or dumbed down, or they don't have a fully functioning brain.

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and Trumps doesn't? please.

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Hey Jr

Please answer my earlier question .


How would you defend yourself against a sexual assault charge that supposedly occurred over 25 years ago ?

By a woman you had never even meet ?

With the civil case in a locality where you and your family were deeply unpopular ?

Come on JR educate this mere mortal. How are you going to prove your innocence and save your millions ?

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Well, fella, I'm not going to put myself in a situation where something could be mis construed! Fairly simple. I don't guess you have seen the photo with fat man with her? have ya. Mistook her for Marla Maples. (LOL)

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Gonna be tough to defend yourself when this is out there:

"Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush in which Trump said that his celebrity has given him an opening to assault women.

"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," Trump was recorded saying. "Grab them by the py. You can do anything."

As well as the 18 other women that came forward publically.

Are they true? Who knows. This is my point that Trump does not have the temperament or discipline to be in Public Office. He is sloppy, can't control what he says and leaves himself wide open for attack. Because of all that he will lose a lot and at best spend all his time on defense. You cannot be effective from that posture. No matter how good his policies. He needs to go back on TV.

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his first 4 years were amazing. His next 4 will be as well.

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You thought the last 2 years of his presidency were amazing?

Serious question: why? His COVID policies were atrocious.. Spent like a drunk liberal, and gave little pushback against draconian COVID policies. And pushed an experimental vaccine. As for the rest, he never even came close to completing the border wall or securing our borders, as he repeatedly promised.

Trump's years in office were better than the next guy, but they were far from amazing.

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lol if you are blaming him for COVID you are a real sonnuva ***** when the "experts" were telling everyone the sky is falling and we are all going to die.

I'm not happy with his COVID policies either, but I give him a pass bcs it was a lose/lose situation.

If he has gambled and gone against the advice of the "experts" the media and democrats would have said he is responsible for every COVID death and he wouldnt have won re-election.

It's the democrats who have protected Fauci and China. Why hasnt there been a single investigation into the origins of COVID over the last 4 years?

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So now all of a sudden Trump should be concerned that he was hurting the feelings of the media and Democrats? LOL. Sure thing!

Let's be honest for a moment, Trumpkin. You don't have a critique of any of his policies. Spent like a drunk liberal? You're cool with it. Didn't fulfill his campaign promise on the border? Someone else's fault. To you who was amazing.

In other words, Trumpkin gonna Trumpkin.

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Silly Bidophile, always ignoring the fact that democrats wrote those spending bills and it was the democrats that stopped all progress on border security. You think we have forgotten Pelosi and Schumer shutting down the government rather than funding the border?

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I am curious - is a Bidophile someone who voted for Trump the last elections and will vote for him again over the current **** show? If so, I guess I am a Bidophile.

I haven't ignored the Dems obstructionist tactics. But it was Trump who promised the wall would be completed, and Mexico would pay for it. He never said or suggested he needed the approval of Congress for that endeavor. And if that's what he needed, well, he shouldn't have overpromised and underdelivered.

Spending like a drunk liberal is completely on Trump. That was his choice.

One can be a conservative without being an apologist and giving the POS a pass for some of his more ****ty policies. I know that's a difficult concept for some of you guys. Some of you seem to have forgotten what a real
conservative is.

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Maybe you are, you definitely ignore context in order to whine about Trump like a Bidophile. Trump was speaking of tariffs and other means in getting a Mexico to pay for the wall, including cooperation in keeping their own borders tighter. Despite quite a few "community organized" caravans the border was doing as well as its ever done. Everything Trump accomplished was during investigations, slander and TWO impeachments from Democrats and their obedient media, so pretending it was a failure he didn't get more done is disingenuous at best. Give the man a full Republican congress and senate and watch what happens.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

Again, we can make excuses for why he failed miserably on one of his primary promises to Americans, I guess. Perhaps he shouldn't have overpromised on his border wall, but he did. He should never have promised something he could never deliver on.

Rest assured, I am no Bidophile. I am simply not a Trump apologist, such as yourself. His presidency was a very mixed bag, especially the latter two years. No actual conservative would say otherwise.

Is he better than the alternative? Of course.

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He never had a full republican congress. About 30% of the GOP lined up against him, especially after the Russiagate was launched.

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I agree with you he certainly was unable to rally a portion of his party to his cause. But that was a Republican congress, however you want to slice it.

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That is just another deeper conversation about the modern GOP….a party with an institutional faction that hates the populist right faction.

Americans gave the GOP all 3 branches of government and they would not do anything but pass a tax cut…..

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It's pretty simple. Trump is a Clinton Democrat, and the GOO today is not conservative in the traditional sense.

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Could not agree more with this. Spot on.

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Every election since post- President Washington the electorate has always shouted "There are no good candidates. I'll vote the lesser of two evils."
I'll vote for the candidate who tends to respect the humanity of its citizens in word and policy. Biden's my guy
bc he's a good guy and respects all the citizens he serves

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We talking about the same Joe Biden that believes roughly half the country are fascists?

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-donald-trump-presidential-pennsylvania-edd46881a1c0c71df97663ac37236f26

Yes, that certainly sounds like a great guy who respect all citizens.

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"all citizens he serves." he doesnt serve the MAGA crowd or the fly overs. He has made that abundantly clear many times over the last 3 years. People should believe him.

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He "serves" nothing more than his own and his family's wholly corrupt desires and ambitions, period. Anyone that can't see that is either hopelessly brainwashed and/or dumbed down, or they don't have a fully functioning brain.

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and Trumps doesn't? please.

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Hey Jr

Please answer my earlier question .


How would you defend yourself against a sexual assault charge that supposedly occurred over 25 years ago ?

By a woman you had never even meet ?

With the civil case in a locality where you and your family were deeply unpopular ?

Come on JR educate this mere mortal. How are you going to prove your innocence and save your millions ?

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Well, fella, I'm not going to put myself in a situation where something could be mis construed! Fairly simple. I don't guess you have seen the photo with fat man with her? have ya. Mistook her for Marla Maples. (LOL)

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Gonna be tough to defend yourself when this is out there:

"Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush in which Trump said that his celebrity has given him an opening to assault women.

"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," Trump was recorded saying. "Grab them by the py. You can do anything."

As well as the 18 other women that came forward publically.

Are they true? Who knows. This is my point that Trump does not have the temperament or discipline to be in Public Office. He is sloppy, can't control what he says and leaves himself wide open for attack. Because of all that he will lose a lot and at best spend all his time on defense. You cannot be effective from that posture. No matter how good his policies. He needs to go back on TV.

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his first 4 years were amazing. His next 4 will be as well.

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You thought the last 2 years of his presidency were amazing?

Serious question: why? His COVID policies were atrocious.. Spent like a drunk liberal, and gave little pushback against draconian COVID policies. And pushed an experimental vaccine. As for the rest, he never even came close to completing the border wall or securing our borders, as he repeatedly promised.

Trump's years in office were better than the next guy, but they were far from amazing.

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lol if you are blaming him for COVID you are a real sonnuva ***** when the "experts" were telling everyone the sky is falling and we are all going to die.

I'm not happy with his COVID policies either, but I give him a pass bcs it was a lose/lose situation.

If he has gambled and gone against the advice of the "experts" the media and democrats would have said he is responsible for every COVID death and he wouldnt have won re-election.

It's the democrats who have protected Fauci and China. Why hasnt there been a single investigation into the origins of COVID over the last 4 years?

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So now all of a sudden Trump should be concerned that he was hurting the feelings of the media and Democrats? LOL. Sure thing!

Let's be honest for a moment, Trumpkin. You don't have a critique of any of his policies. Spent like a drunk liberal? You're cool with it. Didn't fulfill his campaign promise on the border? Someone else's fault. To you who was amazing.

In other words, Trumpkin gonna Trumpkin.

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Silly Bidophile, always ignoring the fact that democrats wrote those spending bills and it was the democrats that stopped all progress on border security. You think we have forgotten Pelosi and Schumer shutting down the government rather than funding the border?

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I am curious - is a Bidophile someone who voted for Trump the last elections and will vote for him again over the current **** show? If so, I guess I am a Bidophile.

I haven't ignored the Dems obstructionist tactics. But it was Trump who promised the wall would be completed, and Mexico would pay for it. He never said or suggested he needed the approval of Congress for that endeavor. And if that's what he needed, well, he shouldn't have overpromised and underdelivered.

Spending like a drunk liberal is completely on Trump. That was his choice.

One can be a conservative without being an apologist and giving the POS a pass for some of his more ****ty policies. I know that's a difficult concept for some of you guys. Some of you seem to have forgotten what a real
conservative is.

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Maybe you are, you definitely ignore context in order to whine about Trump like a Bidophile. Trump was speaking of tariffs and other means in getting a Mexico to pay for the wall, including cooperation in keeping their own borders tighter. Despite quite a few "community organized" caravans the border was doing as well as its ever done. Everything Trump accomplished was during investigations, slander and TWO impeachments from Democrats and their obedient media, so pretending it was a failure he didn't get more done is disingenuous at best. Give the man a full Republican congress and senate and watch what happens.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

Again, we can make excuses for why he failed miserably on one of his primary promises to Americans, I guess. Perhaps he shouldn't have overpromised on his border wall, but he did. He should never have promised something he could never deliver on.

Rest assured, I am no Bidophile. I am simply not a Trump apologist, such as yourself. His presidency was a very mixed bag, especially the latter two years. No actual conservative would say otherwise.

Is he better than the alternative? Of course.

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He never had a full republican congress. About 30% of the GOP lined up against him, especially after the Russiagate was launched.

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I agree with you he certainly was unable to rally a portion of his party to his cause. But that was a Republican congress, however you want to slice it.

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That is just another deeper conversation about the modern GOP….a party with an institutional faction that hates the populist right faction.

Americans gave the GOP all 3 branches of government and they would not do anything but pass a tax cut…..

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As Harrison alludes to in his excellent post, part of the problem is there are no more traditional Reagan conservatives in the party. You're either a neocon in the Bush/Cheney mold, or more akin to one of the populist blue dog Democrats of years past than an actual Republican, who values fiscal discipline and walking softly but carrying a big stick.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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I don't see how any politician will stop spending. What group will you tell that you are taking money away from them? Homeless? Seniors? Raise/lower taxes? Education? National Defense?

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In a world where it is getting more expensive to support "hard" aspects of Government how do you stop spending in a more efficient way than what we had (I am talking 80's & 90's).

One F35 is 79 million
One mile of roadway to build is over a million dollars a mile
Clean water is now .47 per 1000 gallons up from .22 in 2010

The bottomline is that cutting spending while the cost of providing services is escalating and the world is getting MORE technical may not be a realistic expectation.

We will need someone willing to work to find ways to share costs, not go alone. For example, on Defense, NATO is the path forward. But either the cost share changes or the US needs to be paid for the defense provided.

Resource sharing with Canada and Mexico through something like NAFTA.


I don't see how spending is going to be cut without severely harming function and performance.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Mothra said:

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Wangchung said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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Ah yes, it's all the Democrats fault, and nothing is on Trump. He overpromises the border wall? But Democrats! He promises spending cuts? But Democrats! He fails to overturn Obamacare? But McCain! Spoken like a true Trumpster.

Let me ask you this, did Trump make any mistakes while in office? Or did he do everything perfectly? I mean surely, as a purported "conservative" there's at least something you think he could have done better, other than mean tweets. Right?

I would submit that you have a massive blind spot for your boy. The truth is there is shared responsibility. Did Dems do a lot of what you allege? Of course, and nobody says otherwise (though I give you credit for your strawman). But your error is failing to see Trump shares in a lot of the blame.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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Ah yes, it's all the Democrats fault, and nothing is on Trump. He overpromises the border wall? But Democrats! He promises spending cuts? But Democrats! He fails to overturn Obamacare? But McCain! Spoken like a true Trumpster.

Let me ask you this, did Trump make any mistakes while in office? Or did he do everything perfectly? I mean surely, as a purported "conservative" there's at least something you think he could have done better, other than mean tweets. Right?

I would submit that you have a massive blind spot for your boy. The truth is there is shared responsibility. Did Dems do a lot of what you allege? Of course, and nobody says otherwise (though I give you credit for your strawman). But your error is failing to see Trump shares in a lot of the blame.

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Strawman? Listing the powerful opposition Trump faced is a strawman argument when it comes to why he didn't accomplish everything he wanted? Are you listening to yourself? "Nancy Pelosi didn't work with Trump because orange man bad! But also, Trump should have been able to snap his fingers and get anything he wished and mentioning the hurdles he faced is a strawman argument!"

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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Mothra said:

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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Ah yes, it's all the Democrats fault, and nothing is on Trump. He overpromises the border wall? But Democrats! He promises spending cuts? But Democrats! He fails to overturn Obamacare? But McCain! Spoken like a true Trumpster.

Let me ask you this, did Trump make any mistakes while in office? Or did he do everything perfectly? I mean surely, as a purported "conservative" there's at least something you think he could have done better, other than mean tweets. Right?

I would submit that you have a massive blind spot for your boy. The truth is there is shared responsibility. Did Dems do a lot of what you allege? Of course, and nobody says otherwise (though I give you credit for your strawman). But your error is failing to see Trump shares in a lot of the blame.

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Strawman? Listing the powerful opposition Trump faced is a strawman argument when it comes to why he didn't accomplish everything he wanted? Are you listening to yourself? "Nancy Pelosi didn't work with Trump because orange man bad! But also, Trump should have been able to snap his fingers and get anything he wished and mentioning the hurdles he faced is a strawman argument!"

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Sorry, I thought what I was referring to was obvious, but I see I need to spell it out for you. The strawman was your suggestion that I can't see that the Democrats haven't committed a lot of the bad acts you allege. As I have said repeatedly (to no avail, apparently, as it doesn't seem to be getting through to you), I have long acknowledged that the Dems are guilty of the acts you attribute to them. The whole lot of them.

The strawman was you suggesting I am blind to them. I am not. I see them, but at the same time have the ability to see that Trump's tenure was far from perfect, and he must share a lot of the blame for his lack of success. Again, that is where we differ. You have a blind spot in that regard.

Making campaign promises contemplates that you have an ability to do what many said would be difficult. When others ask you how you're going to get a border wall paid for by Mexico with limited congressional support, and you double down on that promise without providing an explanation, that's on you. Trump should have contemplated the many roadblocks to what he promised when he was running for president, but either he didn't or he overpromised, knowing that what he promised was damn near impossible. And that is on him. Sorry.

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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Mothra said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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Mothra said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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No, that's your mischaracterizations, and nothing else. Contrary to your ridiculous mischaracterizations, I recognize that Dems put roadblocks in front of Trump's agenda. That's what the other side does, Wang. It puts up obstacles to the other side's agenda. It is what Republicans have been doing the last 3 years (thankfully). It's what the other side has been doing since our Republic was formed. It's called gridlock, and it happens every single presidency. Every presidential candidate, unless they're a complete and total idiot, realizes he or she is going to have to try and work around it.

The problem with your "logic" is that it suggests Trump either didn't realize that Dems would be roadblocks to his agenda, or he simply lied to the American people when he overpromised and underdelivered. One of the rules to getting re-elected is don't overpromise and under-deliver. Have a plan in place to get around the obstacles the other side will inevitably throw in your way. Trump knew, or should have known, it would be difficult if not impossible to get his wall built. He should have been cognizant of that fact when he oversold it to conservatives.

As for spending, Trump's spending packages were his own, and cannot be attributed to the Dems. Sorry.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Dems? What does what I said have anything to do with Dems?

Trump wasn't able to do it last time, will polarize everyone after 2020 and has a history of self-destructing why send him back? That is your best choice?

Send in the guy that couldn't pass anything with Both Houses, got impeached twice and has been indicted for his last stint as President. Than, wonder why nothing got done. It will be the Democrats, Deep State, RINOs, Euros, etc... See a pattern?

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Dems? What does what I said have anything to do with Dems?

Trump wasn't able to do it last time, will polarize everyone after 2020 and has a history of self-destructing why send him back? That is your best choice?

Send in the guy that couldn't pass anything with Both Houses, got impeached twice and has been indicted for his last stint as President. Than, wonder why nothing got done. It will be the Democrats, Deep State, RINOs, Euros, etc... See a pattern?

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Yes, the pattern is democrats lying about, investigating and impeaching a president in pursuit of more power for the democrat party. You mention that you see the democrat's behavior but then claim pointing out their behavior is a pattern of making excuses for Trump? You pretend that the lack of a supermajority doesn't matter but that's just you playing pretend here.

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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No, that's your mischaracterizations, and nothing else. Contrary to your ridiculous mischaracterizations, I recognize that Dems put roadblocks in front of Trump's agenda. That's what the other side does, Wang. It puts up obstacles to the other side's agenda. It is what Republicans have been doing the last 3 years (thankfully). It's what the other side has been doing since our Republic was formed. It's called gridlock, and it happens every single presidency. Every presidential candidate, unless they're a complete and total idiot, realizes he or she is going to have to try and work around it.

The problem with your "logic" is that it suggests Trump either didn't realize that Dems would be roadblocks to his agenda, or he simply lied to the American people when he overpromised and underdelivered. One of the rules to getting re-elected is don't overpromise and under-deliver. Have a plan in place to get around the obstacles the other side will inevitably throw in your way. Trump knew, or should have known, it would be difficult if not impossible to get his wall built. He should have been cognizant of that fact when he oversold it to conservatives.

As for spending, Trump's spending packages were his own, and cannot be attributed to the Dems. Sorry.

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So Trump should have campaigned on, "I'm going to try but democrats will probably stop me"? Trump should have known democrats would break the law, lie, and sue to stop him at every turn? Again, you're placing the blame on the victim in this situation. Trump had no idea how deep the corruption ran in Washington, he just recognized that it was there and ran on fixing it. No other candidate would be expected to hedge their campaign promises in case the opposition party goes full rogue to stop them. But orange man bad doesn't get that luxury.

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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No, that's your mischaracterizations, and nothing else. Contrary to your ridiculous mischaracterizations, I recognize that Dems put roadblocks in front of Trump's agenda. That's what the other side does, Wang. It puts up obstacles to the other side's agenda. It is what Republicans have been doing the last 3 years (thankfully). It's what the other side has been doing since our Republic was formed. It's called gridlock, and it happens every single presidency. Every presidential candidate, unless they're a complete and total idiot, realizes he or she is going to have to try and work around it.

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Wait, you're saying a president should actually govern? Listen to the other side and try to persuade them? Learn how to spend political capital? Know when to compromise and when to press the advantage to make a deal?

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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No, that's your mischaracterizations, and nothing else. Contrary to your ridiculous mischaracterizations, I recognize that Dems put roadblocks in front of Trump's agenda. That's what the other side does, Wang. It puts up obstacles to the other side's agenda. It is what Republicans have been doing the last 3 years (thankfully). It's what the other side has been doing since our Republic was formed. It's called gridlock, and it happens every single presidency. Every presidential candidate, unless they're a complete and total idiot, realizes he or she is going to have to try and work around it.

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Wait, you're saying a president should actually govern? Listen to the other side and try to persuade them? Learn how to spend political capital? Know when to compromise and when to press the advantage to make a deal?

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And when, despite all that, democrats say, "The one and only way we approach a shutdown is if President Trump refuses both of our proposals and demands $5 billion or more for a border wall," Schumer said. He called the wall "a nonstarter" for Democrats, who face increasing pressure from outside groups and liberal lawmakers to resist Trump's continued push for the barrier..."
Do you know what "non-starter" means? It means "We are going to say "no" no matter what." And they did.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Dems? What does what I said have anything to do with Dems?

Trump wasn't able to do it last time, will polarize everyone after 2020 and has a history of self-destructing why send him back? That is your best choice?

Send in the guy that couldn't pass anything with Both Houses, got impeached twice and has been indicted for his last stint as President. Than, wonder why nothing got done. It will be the Democrats, Deep State, RINOs, Euros, etc... See a pattern?

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Yes, the pattern is democrats lying about, investigating and impeaching a president in pursuit of more power for the democrat party. You mention that you see the democrat's behavior but then claim pointing out their behavior is a pattern of making excuses for Trump? You pretend that the lack of a supermajority doesn't matter but that's just you playing pretend here.

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Yeah, the Dems behavior was transparent and obvious. Yet, idiot Trump fell into every trap.
He was sloppy on calls knowing they were being monitored (numerous times),
He never shut up (often making disparaging remarks any sane person knew would be used
He put himself in a precarious situation on Jan 6th telling a mob to go to Congress while in session,
He sulked after losing to Biden costing the GOP Georgia/Senate,
He was bullied into closing the economy,
He lost in court an astounding 55% of the time on his EOs
He couldn't keep a Cabinet together ( he set a record for turnover)
Of the dozens that served in his Cabinet 4 endorsed him in 2024


So send him back? He showed he wasn't up to the task last time. This is the best we got??? Donald Trump?

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Dems? What does what I said have anything to do with Dems?

Trump wasn't able to do it last time, will polarize everyone after 2020 and has a history of self-destructing why send him back? That is your best choice?

Send in the guy that couldn't pass anything with Both Houses, got impeached twice and has been indicted for his last stint as President. Than, wonder why nothing got done. It will be the Democrats, Deep State, RINOs, Euros, etc... See a pattern?

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Yes, the pattern is democrats lying about, investigating and impeaching a president in pursuit of more power for the democrat party. You mention that you see the democrat's behavior but then claim pointing out their behavior is a pattern of making excuses for Trump? You pretend that the lack of a supermajority doesn't matter but that's just you playing pretend here.

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Trump has been very successful at one thing, and that's playing on his followers' sense of victimhood. As long as he can do that, nothing else seems to matter. I give him credit for more accomplishments than some here do, but he has blinded you to his very real faults. And no, I'm not just talking about mean tweets.

Ask yourself a question. If Democrats are going to treat every Republican equally badly, no matter how perfect that person is, then what's the point of electing a Republican at all?

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Right, we should accept that democrats are going to abuse their positions to maintain power and vote to empower them rather than voting for people to oppose them and fix the problems. Go along to get along, eh?

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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No, that's your mischaracterizations, and nothing else. Contrary to your ridiculous mischaracterizations, I recognize that Dems put roadblocks in front of Trump's agenda. That's what the other side does, Wang. It puts up obstacles to the other side's agenda. It is what Republicans have been doing the last 3 years (thankfully). It's what the other side has been doing since our Republic was formed. It's called gridlock, and it happens every single presidency. Every presidential candidate, unless they're a complete and total idiot, realizes he or she is going to have to try and work around it.

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Wait, you're saying a president should actually govern? Listen to the other side and try to persuade them? Learn how to spend political capital? Know when to compromise and when to press the advantage to make a deal?

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And when, despite all that, democrats say, "The one and only way we approach a shutdown is if President Trump refuses both of our proposals and demands $5 billion or more for a border wall," Schumer said. He called the wall "a nonstarter" for Democrats, who face increasing pressure from outside groups and liberal lawmakers to resist Trump's continued push for the barrier..."
Do you know what "non-starter" means? It means "We are going to say "no" no matter what." And they did.

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I don't necessarily hold the wall situation against him. That said, do you know what "negotiation" means? What Schumer calls a non-starter for public consumption may or may not be, depending on what carrots and sticks can be applied. Trump didn't really engage in that kind of work, which is the real work of politics. MAGA loved the idea of a non-politician in office, and that's what they got for better and worse.

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Dems? What does what I said have anything to do with Dems?

Trump wasn't able to do it last time, will polarize everyone after 2020 and has a history of self-destructing why send him back? That is your best choice?

Send in the guy that couldn't pass anything with Both Houses, got impeached twice and has been indicted for his last stint as President. Than, wonder why nothing got done. It will be the Democrats, Deep State, RINOs, Euros, etc... See a pattern?

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Yes, the pattern is democrats lying about, investigating and impeaching a president in pursuit of more power for the democrat party. You mention that you see the democrat's behavior but then claim pointing out their behavior is a pattern of making excuses for Trump? You pretend that the lack of a supermajority doesn't matter but that's just you playing pretend here.

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Trump has been very successful at one thing, and that's playing on his followers' sense of victimhood. As long as he can do that, nothing else seems to matter. I give him credit for more accomplishments than some here do, but he has blinded you to his very real faults. And no, I'm not just talking about mean tweets.

Ask yourself a question. If Democrats are going to treat every Republican equally badly, no matter how perfect that person is, then what's the point of electing a Republican at all?

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Right, we should accept that democrats are going to abuse their positions to maintain power and vote to empower them rather than voting for people to oppose them and fix the problems. Go along to get along, eh?

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How are you going to fix the problems with Trump in the White House??? He couldn't get legislation passed with Ryan as Speaker and McConnell as the Majority Leader, the GOP had all three levers.

Executive Order? His EOs were overturned by the Court 55% of the time and the rest undone when the next Dem came in.

So, how do you fix problems with Trump as the bandleader?

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Did you forget the man had a full Republican congress for the first two years of his presidency?

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He had the House and John McCain.

Obamacare remains the law of the land today due to John McCain.

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Always someone else's fault.

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Context never matters to a Bidophile, either. Seriously, though, without a supermajority Trump was not free to pass anything he liked. The democrats stopped everything they could and ignoring that fact, or trying to downplay that fact, doesn't change anything.

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Speaking of a complete lack of context, have you ever asked yourself why Trump needed a super majority to get anything done, Trumpster? Could it be his behavior and style did not rally people to his cause? Could it be he was so vindictive and personal in his attacks on McCain, that his inability to behave like an adult or presidential was the reason that McCain failed to vote the way he wanted?

You Always Trumpers love to point the fingers at everyone but Trump himself. It's NEVER Trump's fault. He overpromises a border wall? Dems fault. He spends like a drunken liberal in violation of his campaign promises to reduce the debt and deficit? Not enough Repubs would vote like he wanted. Fails to overturn Obamacare? All on McCain. But never Trump.

I would submit, Trumpster, that you suffer from the same lack of context of which you accuse others. You can't see past the nose on your face.

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Silly Bidophile, always blaming Trump for how democrats responded to him. Your triggers are not anyone's concern but your own, Bidophile. Mean tweets are not worse than world war 3 and a broken immigration system, not even if you Bidophiles REALLY hate mean teeets:

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Your reading comprehension is atrocious, Trumpist. I don't absolve Dems of responsibility. I simply have the ability to place blame where blame is due, and recognize (unlike you) that Trump shares a lot of blame for his failures as a president. I don't absolve him of all responsibility, as you do.

Of course mean tweets aren't worse than WWIII and open borders, which if you had actually read and attempted to comprehend my previous posts, you would see is why I have advocated holding one's nose and voting for Trump for the past 3 years.

In the future, I would suggest trying to think rationally, instead of getting all up in your emotions. In other words, try not to behave like a Trumpist. It makes you look like a buffoon, and having read your posts over the years, I know you're not as stupid as your last post suggests you are.

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A buffoon runs around guffawing about the wall not being built and Mexico not paying for it while ignoring all context as to why it wasn't built. Buffoons run around whining about spending bills but ignore that democrats wrote those bills while feigning ignorance, (or maybe it's genuine) , as to what a supermajority is and why it matters when it comes to President Trump getting what he wanted. You can play pretend all you like but democrats and RINOs exist, their investigations based on Democrat campaign lies existed, their version of Pravda exists, their denial of any wall funding and border security happened, TWO democrat controlled impeachments happened. I know, I know, in your world it's ALL Trump's fault, all the time. Being a Bidophile means facts don't matter, only emotional arguments count. Democrats refused to work with Trump, tore up his State of the Union speech right behind him on national television, lied continually about everything he said or did and even more so about things he never said or did but it's all Orange Man Bad's fault for not forcing the democrats and media to work with him, or some stupid **** like that.

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So why would you support sending the same person back? It is like having someone negotiate horrible deals for you because the other side doesn't trust the guy. So you send the same guy back to do the next deal?

Why? They MAY NOT work with others. They DEFINETLY won't work with Trump. So, send in Trump...

Yeah, makes sense.

May not be his fault. May not have done anything wrong. That doesn't matter. We use different PMs all the time because not everyone is cut out to work with certain groups. Noo value judgement.

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Yes, let the hecklers veto your choice and find someone like them so they will "pass bills." That sounds a lot like voting democrat to keep democrats happy.

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Dems? What does what I said have anything to do with Dems?

Trump wasn't able to do it last time, will polarize everyone after 2020 and has a history of self-destructing why send him back? That is your best choice?

Send in the guy that couldn't pass anything with Both Houses, got impeached twice and has been indicted for his last stint as President. Than, wonder why nothing got done. It will be the Democrats, Deep State, RINOs, Euros, etc... See a pattern?

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Yes, the pattern is democrats lying about, investigating and impeaching a president in pursuit of more power for the democrat party. You mention that you see the democrat's behavior but then claim pointing out their behavior is a pattern of making excuses for Trump? You pretend that the lack of a supermajority doesn't matter but that's just you playing pretend here.

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Trump has been very successful at one thing, and that's playing on his followers' sense of victimhood. As long as he can do that, nothing else seems to matter. I give him credit for more accomplishments than some here do, but he has blinded you to his very real faults. And no, I'm not just talking about mean tweets.

Ask yourself a question. If Democrats are going to treat every Republican equally badly, no matter how perfect that person is, then what's the point of electing a Republican at all?

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Right, we should accept that democrats are going to abuse their positions to maintain power and vote to empower them rather than voting for people to oppose them and fix the problems. Go along to get along, eh?

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Opposing your opponent's policies isn't abuse. It's why they're called opponents. But the crux of the matter is this. Trump challenged the rule of law in ways that no president had yet done. He's convinced you otherwise, and you'll deny it till you're blue in the face, but the Dems' response was no abuse of their position. It was as appropriate as it was inevitable.

Just curious. What do the Trumpsters think he's going to do on this WW3 path? You think the man who in one of his earliest foreign policy moves shifted the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem is going to tell Netanyahu to play nice nice with Hamas? The man who armed Ukraine initially and who hates to look weak is going to abruptly pull out of the conflict? Mr. "Screw the nuclear deal" is going to lighten up on Iran? And the China trade warrior is going to let whatever happen with Taiwan?

Gullible unite!

Note to Joe Biden: Donald Trump is not President. You are. Act like it.

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The answer is that it's anyone's guess. I'd still take that over Biden were it not for Trump's fascist tendencies, but as things stand it's not worth the risk.

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BTW, ye of horrid reading comprehension, here is my post from earlier today on the 2024 thread. Definitely makes me a "bidophile," whatever that is.

"Yup. It does shock me that so-called conservatives prefer proxy wars with Russia and Iran, a destabilized ME, and an interventionist foreign policy (not to mention an abysmal domestic policy and open borders) to Trump/Haley. Are either ideal? Of course not, and I will concede the thought of a Trump/Haley ticket turns my stomach. But are they far better than the WWIII trajectory we are currently on? You bet they are."

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Well I'm glad you recognize that mean tweets are preferable to open borders and world war 3. That's a start. Now all you have to do is learn about and accept context when it comes to your main gripes about Trump and you'll be moving on up out of the Bidophile category and into same category as everyone else with a working knowledge of modern politics. Democrats are real and their opposition matters when we discuss policy implementation.

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Well, I've been saying for the last 3 years Trump is preferable to the current **** show, for those who have been paying attention. The difference between us is I lack the blind spot for Trump's mistakes that you possess.

But nah, I will never get to the point where I think Trump is god-like and every mistake is attributable to someone else. That's Trumpist territory. He possesses a cult of personality with you guys that defies reason and logic. He literally has done nothing wrong, and can do no wrong to your cultists.

Look, I do appreciate that Biden and the Dems are scary. I have an uncle who thinks like you, and there is no reasoning with him. Fear makes people think and do crazy things.

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"Democrats aren't real! Presidents are sorcerers who can overcome any obstacle in their way by snapping their fingers therefore Trump is to blame for not fulfilling his every campaign promise!" You have to live in that fantasy world to have your opinion. Facts matter. Context matters. Reality matters. Even if you don't like Orange Man Bad.

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*** are you talking about? Are you ok?

My god. If that's what you believe I was saying, you are truly an idiot.

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That's your "logic" on display, not mine. Sure, Trump had plenty of faults but your specific gripes are all situations where Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop him. You don't get to ignore the reason Trump was unable to reach all his goals and then blame Trump for the failure. That's stupid.

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No, that's your mischaracterizations, and nothing else. Contrary to your ridiculous mischaracterizations, I recognize that Dems put roadblocks in front of Trump's agenda. That's what the other side does, Wang. It puts up obstacles to the other side's agenda. It is what Republicans have been doing the last 3 years (thankfully). It's what the other side has been doing since our Republic was formed. It's called gridlock, and it happens every single presidency. Every presidential candidate, unless they're a complete and total idiot, realizes he or she is going to have to try and work around it.

The problem with your "logic" is that it suggests Trump either didn't realize that Dems would be roadblocks to his agenda, or he simply lied to the American people when he overpromised and underdelivered. One of the rules to getting re-elected is don't overpromise and under-deliver. Have a plan in place to get around the obstacles the other side will inevitably throw in your way. Trump knew, or should have known, it would be difficult if not impossible to get his wall built. He should have been cognizant of that fact when he oversold it to conservatives.

As for spending, Trump's spending packages were his own, and cannot be attributed to the Dems. Sorry.

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So Trump should have campaigned on, "I'm going to try but democrats will probably stop me"? Trump should have known democrats would break the law, lie, and sue to stop him at every turn? Again, you're placing the blame on the victim in this situation. Trump had no idea how deep the corruption ran in Washington, he just recognized that it was there and ran on fixing it. No other candidate would be expected to hedge their campaign promises in case the opposition party goes full rogue to stop them. But orange man bad doesn't get that luxury.

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Just curious. What do the Trumpsters think he's going to do on this WW3 path?

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The answer is that it's anyone's guess. I'd still take that over Biden were it not for Trump's fascist tendencies, but as things stand it's not worth the risk.

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Or maybe the "WW3 path" is an overstatement of the situation, and an unfounded emotional appeal to be used for political purposes. The reality is that Haley and Trump likely have small variances in their approaches and ironically even the Biden path is not much different beyond that.