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But what do you think divorcees, adulterers, etc. would do and how do you think they would behave if they were treated the same way?

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Doc Holliday said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The opposite of shaming is pride. There is a lot of gays shaming.
As far this endless posting about stupid people and gay parades gone wrong, I could post similar stupidity videos by Trump supporters.
And a huge parade gone violent on January 6.

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Pride is a sin.

Pride is self- devotion, self-justification, and self-glorying in contempt of God. You support that.

Repent now. Stop encouraging people that sex that doesn't lead to procreation isn't a sin. Stop encouraging sexual practices that lead to deadly diseases and major health problems.

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You have got to elaborate. I have questions.

You said sex that doesn't lead to procreation is a sin. Did you then believe birth control is sinful?

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Condoms Why not? Condoms prevent fertilization.

The Pull out method Those who practice pullout are "Parents"

Doc, you have a strong anti-abortion position. I would suggest that position would mean that every time a man withholds sex from his partner it is anti-abortion stance because if you have sex then it might result in a fertilized egg. This idea is a consequence of your thinking on abortion.

Sex isn't just for reproduction, God gave it to us as a gift in our marriage, So true. Within marriage it is an act of intimacy and joy.

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sombear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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I agree. We Christians have for too long treated homosexuality as some kind of super sin, while looking the other way, or even endorsing, as our friends, family, and fellow church members have affairs, divorce, or live together/have sex before marriage - let alone all the nonsexual sins we accept, such as greed, anger, etc.

If you truly believe the Bible, it's all the same. In all of these cases we should hate the sin but truly love the sinner.

And, I know, the common rebuttal is that only gays flaunt it, try to change laws, force others to accept it, etc.

But what do you think divorcees, adulterers, etc. would do and how do you think they would behave if they were treated the same way?

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Celebrate the diversity in our human sexuality.

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One's sexuality is not something to be flaunted or celebrated. It is personal. It is really nobody else's business. I don't care who or what you have sex with. You do you. Just don't think if you tell me I am going to give you a celebratory endorsement.

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Right there with you on this issue. I'm just waiting for the day when we celebrate my "Flaming Heterosexualness"!

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Celebrate the diversity in our human sexuality.

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One's sexuality is not something to be flaunted or celebrated. It is personal. It is really nobody else's business. I don't care who or what you have sex with. You do you. Just don't think if you tell me I am going to give you a celebratory endorsement.

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Right there with you on this issue. I'm just waiting for the day when we celebrate my "Flaming Heterosexualness"!

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ron.reagan said:

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this thread is the gayest thing I've seen in a while

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it's only June 4th. Stay tuned.

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New Star Wars series ‘The Acolyte’
is the “gayest Star Wars yet” according to the producer and cast.

Does this make you want to watch it more or less? pic.twitter.com/GdXVjbSzYP

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 5, 2024

4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Seeing things from the perspective of the law breaker or the sinner doesnt help solve the problem.

1 Peter 5:10

"And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm, and steadfast."

Removing their sufferage may ease their temporary pain but prevents them from completing their path towards Him.

Galatians 1:10

"Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."

Colossians 3:2 says, "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."

Romans 12:2
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

"Jesus turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns'" (Matthew 16:23).

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Seeing things from the perspective of the law breaker or the sinner doesnt help solve the problem.

1 Peter 5:10

"And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm, and steadfast."

Removing their sufferage may ease their temporary pain but prevents them from completing their path towards Him.

Galatians 1:10

"Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."

Colossians 3:2 says, "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."

Romans 12:2
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

"Jesus turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns'" (Matthew 16:23).

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ABC BEAR said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Light in the loafers.

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Light in the loafers.

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Homophobic

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seems overly judgmental for an obvious attempt at humor..

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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I agree. We Christians have for too long treated homosexuality as some kind of super sin, while looking the other way, or even endorsing, as our friends, family, and fellow church members have affairs, divorce, or live together/have sex before marriage - let alone all the nonsexual sins we accept, such as greed, anger, etc.

If you truly believe the Bible, it's all the same. In all of these cases we should hate the sin but truly love the sinner.

And, I know, the common rebuttal is that only gays flaunt it, try to change laws, force others to accept it, etc.

But what do you think divorcees, adulterers, etc. would do and how do you think they would behave if they were treated the same way?

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I think the whole "super sin" thing can be attributed to two things:

1) The "ick" factor; and
2) An active, world-wide campaign to normalize and excuse sinful behavior and indoctrinate our children regarding same.

I think the former played a bigger role prior to the last couple of decades in people's mindset. But today, I think the latter is the much bigger factor regarding the attention that sin gets.

You don't see any campaigns devoted to normalizing being greedy, or saying "greed is good." You don't see people attempting to say cheating on your spouse is a good thing. We don't see any tweets from the White House encouraging such sinful behaviors among our children, as we saw yesterday with the White House tweet to "trans children." That is because all of these things are generally seen as bad or harmful to humanity.

Today, the same cannot be said of LGBTQ+. And I think that is why it may be exacerbated by the church - or at least those churches who correctly hold it to be sinful.

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Point 2 I agree with as I already said. My question (don't know the answer for sure) is whether it would have turned out this way had we treated them as we do other sinners (all of us). I submit that the reason there is no counter-movement for other sins is we really don't treat them as sins or treat the sinners as sinners as we always have homosexuals. Throughout world history, groups that have been discriminated against have pushed or fought back. One can certainly argue that gays would have done the same things had we adopted a true love the sinner hate the sin approach. We'll never know.

Be honest, do we look at an adult man who sleeps with his girlfriend or even fiance with the same disdain we do homosexuals?

How about the adult whose entire life is about work and money?

I support the Colorado baker 100%. But has he refused to design a cake for two divorcees remarrying? How about couples living together?

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Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Light in the loafers.

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Homophobic

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seems overly judgmental for an obvious attempt at humor..

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Slurs masquerading as "humor" are still demeaning

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Waco1947 said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Light in the loafers.

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Homophobic

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Celebrate the diversity in our human sexuality.

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One's sexuality is not something to be flaunted or celebrated. It is personal. It is really nobody else's business. I don't care who or what you have sex with. You do you. Just don't think if you tell me I am going to give you a celebratory endorsement.

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Right there with you on this issue. I'm just waiting for the day when we celebrate my "Flaming Heterosexualness"!

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This is the best I could find.

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pic.twitter.com/fglvgLbA1g

— I,Hypocrite (@lporiginalg) June 5, 2024

Osodecentx said:

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sombear said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Seeing things from the perspective of the law breaker or the sinner doesnt help solve the problem.

1 Peter 5:10

"And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm, and steadfast."

Removing their sufferage may ease their temporary pain but prevents them from completing their path towards Him.

Galatians 1:10

"Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."

Colossians 3:2 says, "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth."

Romans 12:2
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

"Jesus turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns'" (Matthew 16:23).

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Really . . . empathy, compassion, and love are not Biblical? Do you apply your principles to all sinners and sins?

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I think we should distinguish between same sex attraction and promiscuous homosexual sex.
I know there are people who struggle with same sex attraction and remain celibate. They deserve our empathy, compassion and love.

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Waco1947 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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Light in the loafers.

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Homophobic

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seems overly judgmental for an obvious attempt at humor..

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Slurs masquerading as "humor" are still demeaning

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Practice empathy: Try to see things from others' perspectives, even if you don't agree with them. Ask yourself how you would feel if you were in their shoes and try to understand their motivations and feelings.Psychology Today

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I agree. We Christians have for too long treated homosexuality as some kind of super sin, while looking the other way, or even endorsing, as our friends, family, and fellow church members have affairs, divorce, or live together/have sex before marriage - let alone all the nonsexual sins we accept, such as greed, anger, etc.

If you truly believe the Bible, it's all the same. In all of these cases we should hate the sin but truly love the sinner.

And, I know, the common rebuttal is that only gays flaunt it, try to change laws, force others to accept it, etc.

But what do you think divorcees, adulterers, etc. would do and how do you think they would behave if they were treated the same way?

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I think the whole "super sin" thing can be attributed to two things:

1) The "ick" factor; and
2) An active, world-wide campaign to normalize and excuse sinful behavior and indoctrinate our children regarding same.

I think the former played a bigger role prior to the last couple of decades in people's mindset. But today, I think the latter is the much bigger factor regarding the attention that sin gets.

You don't see any campaigns devoted to normalizing being greedy, or saying "greed is good." You don't see people attempting to say cheating on your spouse is a good thing. We don't see any tweets from the White House encouraging such sinful behaviors among our children, as we saw yesterday with the White House tweet to "trans children." That is because all of these things are generally seen as bad or harmful to humanity.

Today, the same cannot be said of LGBTQ+. And I think that is why it may be exacerbated by the church - or at least those churches who correctly hold it to be sinful.

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Point 2 I agree with as I already said. My question (don't know the answer for sure) is whether it would have turned out this way had we treated them as we do other sinners (all of us). I submit that the reason there is no counter-movement for other sins is we really don't treat them as sins or treat the sinners as sinners as we always have homosexuals. Throughout world history, groups that have been discriminated against have pushed or fought back. One can certainly argue that gays would have done the same things had we adopted a true love the sinner hate the sin approach. We'll never know.

Be honest, do we look at an adult man who sleeps with his girlfriend or even fiance with the same disdain we do homosexuals?

How about the adult whose entire life is about work and money?

I support the Colorado baker 100%. But has he refused to design a cake for two divorcees remarrying? How about couples living together?

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I think we look at deviant sexual proclivities differently, and that's just human nature. If a man has sex with an underaged teen and a man has sex with an adult mistress, both are sin, no? But we look at one as much, much worse than the other (and not merely because it's criminal). I think the same as true with adultery vs. homosexuality. Both fall short of God's glory, but one simply seems more deviant and against nature.

If we had treated the sin as just another sin (even though I don't think sins of the flesh are just another sin), would we have seen the push we are seeing now to normalize the behavior? Perhaps. Perhaps not. We will never know. But I tend to think that humanity has always attempted to rationalize sinful behavior, and we would have seen it regardless.

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