Because we need a thread about Trump's choices for the new administration

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Osodecentx
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution
Redbrickbear
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution
1. Who are you that the American people need to have hearings to prove you wrong?

(I mean you are wrong most of the time anyway lol)

2. Giving people vindication from spurious charges is not actually the Constitutional purpose of confirmation hearings before the Senate.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
Osodecentx
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution
1. Who are you that the American people need to have hearings to prove you wrong? Senate confirmation required by Constitution, whatever that means to you.

(I mean you are wrong most of the time anyway lol)

2. Giving people vindication from spurious charges is not actually the Constitutional purpose of confirmation hearings before the Senate. Okay, why are you so afraid of hearing?
Oldbear83
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution


You still have it exactly backwards.

The onus is NOT on the accused to prove his innocence, but on the accusers to prove their case with solid evidence.

Unless and until that happens, selling Gaetz as guilty unless he proves his innocence is as Unamerican as working for The View .
historian
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.

As far as the fascists are concerned, all it takes is for someone, anyone, to accuse a Republican of a crime & they are automatically guilty. OTOH, no accusation against a Clinton, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, etc is ever credible no matter how much evidence there might be. They said always believe women, unless she was Juanita Broderick, etc.
Redbrickbear
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Oldbear83 said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution


You still have it exactly backwards.

The onus is NOT on the accused to prove his innocence, but on the accusers to prove their case with solid evidence.

Unless and until that happens, selling Gaetz as guilty unless he proves his innocence is as Unamerican as working for The View .

Sure but its Osodecentx... he does not actually care about our Constitution or innocence

He cares about partisan character assassination and working his own personal hobby horse of hating Gaetz
Redbrickbear
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution


2. Giving people vindication from spurious charges is not actually the Constitutional purpose of confirmation hearings before the Senate. Okay, why are you so afraid of hearing?


I'm not

Why are you so obsessed with leveling unproven slander at a guy and trying to give Democrats a chance to derail one of President Trump's nominations?
LIB,MR BEARS
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Dems should be afraid of the hearings. Gaetz knows the law equally as well if not better. There is a very good chance they will open a door that destroys many of their own without guaranteeing the destruction of The nomination
4th and Inches
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
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Osodecentx
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4th and Inches said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
dont tell him, watching him dig the hole is fun
There are 2 types of recess appointments.
Osodecentx
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution
1. Who are you that the American people need to have hearings to prove you wrong? Senate confirmation required by Constitution, whatever that means to you.

(I mean you are wrong most of the time anyway lol)

2. Giving people vindication from spurious charges is not actually the Constitutional purpose of confirmation hearings before the Senate. Okay, why are you so afraid of hearing?


A woman testified to the House Ethics Committee that former Rep. Matt Gaetz paid her for sex and that she witnessed President-elect Donald Trump's pick for attorney general having sex with a 17-year-old at a party, her lawyer said over the weekend.

Florida attorney Joel Leppard said in an interview with The Washington Post that one of his clients witnessed Gaetz having sex with the minor at a drug-fueled party in July 2017 and that Gaetz was unaware of her age at the time but subsequently was told she was underage. ABC News first reported the news.

This woman and a second woman, who is also represented by Leppard, testified that they were paid by Gaetz to have sex with him and individuals who attended these "sex parties." They were paid through Venmo or other conduits including the PayPal of Nestor Galban, whom Gaetz has referred to as his "adopted son."
Gaetz never pressured Lepperd's clients to do drugs at these parties, one of his clients testified, but said that the usage of drugs, such as ecstasy, was widespread and expected. When they were asked by House investigators if Gaetz showed signs of being on drugs, the women answered affirmatively, according to the lawyer's account.
Osodecentx
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4th and Inches said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
dont tell him, watching him dig the hole is fun
A woman testified to the House Ethics Committee that former Rep. Matt Gaetz paid her for sex and that she witnessed President-elect Donald Trump's pick for attorney general having sex with a 17-year-old at a party, her lawyer said over the weekend.

Florida attorney Joel Leppard said in an interview with The Washington Post that one of his clients witnessed Gaetz having sex with the minor at a drug-fueled party in July 2017 and that Gaetz was unaware of her age at the time but subsequently was told she was underage. ABC News first reported the news.

This woman and a second woman, who is also represented by Leppard, testified that they were paid by Gaetz to have sex with him and individuals who attended these "sex parties." They were paid through Venmo or other conduits including the PayPal of Nestor Galban, whom Gaetz has referred to as his "adopted son."
Gaetz never pressured Lepperd's clients to do drugs at these parties, one of his clients testified, but said that the usage of drugs, such as ecstasy, was widespread and expected. When they were asked by House investigators if Gaetz showed signs of being on drugs, the women answered affirmatively, according to the lawyer's account.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
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There are 2 types of recess appointments.

Unless you are referring to the recess appointments of federal judges, I haven't found a second type.

"Federal judges clearly fall within the terms of the Recess Appointments Clause. But, unlike with other offices, a problem exists. Article III judges are appointed "during good behavior," subject only to removal through impeachment. A judge, however, who is given a recess appointment may be "removed" by the Senate's failure to advise and consent to his appointment; moreover, on the bench, prior to Senate confirmation, he or she may be subject to inuence not felt by other judges. Nonetheless, a constitutional attack upon the status of a federal district judge, given a recess appointment and then withdrawn as a nominee, was rejected by a federal court."
Oldbear83
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So you found some salacious gossip you like.

Gossip spewed by ABC, whose 'moderation' of the Trump-Harris debate was commented on by many, but not for their devotion to objectivity.
Osodecentx
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
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There are 2 types of recess appointments.

Unless you are referring to the recess appointments of federal judges, I haven't found a second type.

"Federal judges clearly fall within the terms of the Recess Appointments Clause. But, unlike with other offices, a problem exists. Article III judges are appointed "during good behavior," subject only to removal through impeachment. A judge, however, who is given a recess appointment may be "removed" by the Senate's failure to advise and consent to his appointment; moreover, on the bench, prior to Senate confirmation, he or she may be subject to inuence not felt by other judges. Nonetheless, a constitutional attack upon the status of a federal district judge, given a recess appointment and then withdrawn as a nominee, was rejected by a federal court."


Trump would exploit a provision of the Constitution never before used for this purpose, Article II, Section 3, which states in pertinent part:

[The President] may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper.

This section of the Constitution has never been invoked and therefore has never been litigated
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Osodecentx said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
dont tell him, watching him dig the hole is fun
There are 2 types of recess appointments.

Unless you are referring to the recess appointments of federal judges, I haven't found a second type.

"Federal judges clearly fall within the terms of the Recess Appointments Clause. But, unlike with other offices, a problem exists. Article III judges are appointed "during good behavior," subject only to removal through impeachment. A judge, however, who is given a recess appointment may be "removed" by the Senate's failure to advise and consent to his appointment; moreover, on the bench, prior to Senate confirmation, he or she may be subject to inuence not felt by other judges. Nonetheless, a constitutional attack upon the status of a federal district judge, given a recess appointment and then withdrawn as a nominee, was rejected by a federal court."


Trump would exploit a provision of the Constitution never before used for this purpose, Article II, Section 3, which states in pertinent part:

[The President] may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper.

This section of the Constitution has never been invoked and therefore has never been litigated
so, just to be clear, your second type of recess appointment is one that has never been attempted before?
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.
Why can't we see the House Ethics committee report?

I think the authoritarians want to install cabinet members without confirmation hearings

If the recess appointment scheme was the accepted precedent in 2016, Merrick Garland would be aan associate justice of the Supreme Court


" The Supreme Court affirmed that pro forma sessions are sufficient to prevent recess appointments and addressed other intricacies of the practice in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014). Appointments made during a recess must be confirmed by the Senate by the end of the next session of Congress, or the appointment expires."
dont tell him, watching him dig the hole is fun
There are 2 types of recess appointments.

Unless you are referring to the recess appointments of federal judges, I haven't found a second type.

"Federal judges clearly fall within the terms of the Recess Appointments Clause. But, unlike with other offices, a problem exists. Article III judges are appointed "during good behavior," subject only to removal through impeachment. A judge, however, who is given a recess appointment may be "removed" by the Senate's failure to advise and consent to his appointment; moreover, on the bench, prior to Senate confirmation, he or she may be subject to inuence not felt by other judges. Nonetheless, a constitutional attack upon the status of a federal district judge, given a recess appointment and then withdrawn as a nominee, was rejected by a federal court."


Trump would exploit a provision of the Constitution never before used for this purpose, Article II, Section 3, which states in pertinent part:

[The President] may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper.

This section of the Constitution has never been invoked and therefore has never been litigated
so, just to be clear, your second type of recess appointment is one that has never been attempted before?
Correct, and the one being discussed by the Trump transition team
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2) Why is the Ambassador to Israel now one of the most preeminent positions in our government? Or at least it appears that way based on the coverage from the corporate media
Because it's one of our Israel's most important foreign relationship




FIFY
Definitely true that we are Israel's most important foreign relationship.

It is also definitely NOT true that Israel is our most important foreign relationship, but it is a very important one, certainly the most important in the Middle East. That's why is used the words "...one of our most important..."

The reason the alliance endures is because BOTH sides offer significant value to the other. Israel is, arguably, the most militarily capable ally we have. And they do not suffer from alligator arms. They stand alone among our allies in willing to get their hands dirty on our behalf. They are systematically eliminating two of the most bloodthirsty terrorist groups in history with thousands of American deaths on their hands, and destabilizing an Iranian regime who chants "Death to America" while chasing nuclear weapons capability. Along they way, the troubleshoot the weapons systems our young men and women will have to use on future battlefields, and actually contribute significantly to technological improvements that are retro-fitted to US weapons systems.

One has to work very diligently at obtusity not to see that value.
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Israel is not our most important foreign relationship but they are our most important foreign relationship in the Middle East mainly because they are the most stable & dynamic nation in the region. They are also the linchpin for any positive geopolitical accomplishments there.
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If the FBI personnel threatening to quit are the woke, fascist ones then good riddance. It's because of them under Obama, Biden & Harris that they earned the nickname Gestapo. Honestly, some of them probably belong in prison such as those behind the Mar-a-Lago raid to plant evidence for a bogus investigation.
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a director to be the mouthpiece while deputy directors take care of the day to day operations???

This seems like a bizarre nomination to me.
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He is a real doctor, isn't he? Despite his celebrity status he probably knows more about real medical issues than any bureaucrat in Washington. Maybe that's sufficient explanation for choosing him although no doubt Trump had more reasons.
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He is a real doctor, isn't he? Despite his celebrity status he probably knows more about real medical issues than any bureaucrat in Washington. Maybe that's sufficient explanation for choosing him although no doubt Trump had more reasons.
sometimes real doctors are terrible administrators. The head of a large hospital or even an insurance carrier might be a better choice.
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Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:


The recess appointment you are referring to has never been done in the history of the Republic. Remember the tale of Harry Reid. This will be precedent that presidents will invoke in the future and you may not like it in 2028 when President Ocasio Cortez uses Trump's recess appointment precedent to ram through
dis Secretary Designate Elizabeth Warren.
Why are we afraid of a Senate confirmation hearing in a Republican Senate? Why are you trying to suppress information about Gaetz (House Ethics report)?




Why not admit you're strangely obsessed with the Gaetz guy. I think confirming a guy who sextrafficks minors is bad for the country


Again,

You have proof of that charge?

We have a little thing in this country called innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Mr. Authoritarian

Thank God you still have to prove charges in this country.
I think we agree there should be a senate confirmation hearing. This isn't a criminal trial. Gaetz deserves a chance to answer the charges.


Whast the point...you have already decided he is guilty

You have been accusing him of being a "sex trafficker"

Again....with no proof

That is a pretty slimy thing to do.
That's why we need a hearing to prove me wrong and to vindicate Gaetz.
The point is the confirmation hearings are in the Constitution
1. Who are you that the American people need to have hearings to prove you wrong? Senate confirmation required by Constitution, whatever that means to you.

(I mean you are wrong most of the time anyway lol)

2. Giving people vindication from spurious charges is not actually the Constitutional purpose of confirmation hearings before the Senate. Okay, why are you so afraid of hearing?


The Dems have proved they don't want a fair hearing. As an example, the Brett Kavanaugh hearings. They are show trials and smear campaigns. A waste of time and money.

Recess appointments are also constitutional.


Quote:

"The DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought."
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"The DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought."

Since DOJ didn't prosecute Biden, does that mean Biden was exonerated?
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Quote:

"The DOJ investigation was closed with no charges being brought."

Since DOJ didn't prosecute Biden, does that mean Biden was exonerated?
Was the reason that the DOJ didn't prosecute Biden any of the following reasons:

1. There was no direct evidence against him;
2. The evidence against him was not credible;
3. The witnesses providing testimony weren't credible?

Remind us, what was the reason that the DOJ gave for not prosecuting a case against Biden?
 
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