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BREAKING: Republicans are reportedly having a hard time getting votes for the 1,500 page spending bill because of Elon Musk's crusade against it, per PunchBowl News.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 18, 2024

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good.. no spending bill should never be 1500 pages

I'd introduce a bill that says no bill can be longer than 10 or so pages.

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BREAKING: Republicans are reportedly having a hard time getting votes for the 1,500 page spending bill because of Elon Musk's crusade against it, per PunchBowl News.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 18, 2024

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Ever seen a bigger piece of pork? pic.twitter.com/ZesFCNSNKp

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2024

If you think your voters funding a new stadium for Washington DC, funding a 40% pay raise for congress (I don't know ANYONE who's gotten a 40% raise before much less been able to give it themselves), be subjected to mandatory masks, vaccinations & a vaccine passport, funding 12… pic.twitter.com/myKEx9Nnm0

— GypsySoul TX (@gypsysoultex) December 18, 2024

I will be insanely pissed if they pass that.

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I will be insanely pissed if they pass that.

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Oh yea….its bad

The Global Engagement Center was originally created within the State Department to combat “foreign disinformation.” The Twitter Files revealed that it was actually censoring Americans. It would set a good precedent to disband a department that abuses its authority that way. https://t.co/uWk314Yedo

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) December 18, 2024

Yes, it *is* possible to enact a simple 1-page Continuing Resolution, instead of 1,500+ page omnibus pork-fest. Here it is. pic.twitter.com/2NBcDXtL03

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 18, 2024

BREAKING: The new spending bill gives Congress their first pay raise since 2009.

A pay increase for members of Congress from $174,000 to $243,000 per year.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 18, 2024

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The big pharma employees that post on this board should love this spending bill... mega jabs to everyone. Everyone in a mask when a bureaucrat says so. Their stock options would have gone thru the roof.

FLBear wants us to reach across the isle and pass this piece of sh*t bill.

Hell no. Shut it down!

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I don't want the bill, I have no idea what is in it. Johnson, the GOP Speaker, wants it and recommended approval. I don't want to kill things I don't know about, I listen to the front line people that do. Let's see how this plays out and what Musk gets that he feels is missing.

We are seeing what will get removed, what gets added? What is not in there that Musk wants?
Let's see... Any takers?

You guys see nothing wrong with Musks influence over Trump and the Government? You think Trump is calling the shots over Musk? Musk has bought his way into being Emperor, thumbs up or down...

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Married A Horn said:

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The big pharma employees that post on this board should love this spending bill... mega jabs to everyone. Everyone in a mask when a bureaucrat says so. Their stock options would have gone thru the roof.

FLBear wants us to reach across the isle and pass this piece of sh*t bill.

Hell no. Shut it down!

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I don't want the bill, I have no idea what is in it. Johnson, the GOP Speaker, wants it and recommended approval. I don't want to kill things I don't know about, I listen to the front line people that do. Let's see how this plays out and what Musk gets that he feels is missing.

We are seeing what will get removed, what gets added? What is not in there that Musk wants?
Let's see... Any takers?

You guys see nothing wrong with Musks influence over Trump and the Government? You think Trump is calling the shots over Musk? Musk has bought his way into being Emperor, thumbs up or down...

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Oh, so we shouldnt compromise and reach across the isle to get this passed?

Nice to see you finally agreeing with us. There is no compromising with evil. Glad you finally saw the light and agreed with us.

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The big pharma employees that post on this board should love this spending bill... mega jabs to everyone. Everyone in a mask when a bureaucrat says so. Their stock options would have gone thru the roof.

FLBear wants us to reach across the isle and pass this piece of sh*t bill.

Hell no. Shut it down!

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I don't want the bill, I have no idea what is in it. Johnson, the GOP Speaker, wants it and recommended approval. I don't want to kill things I don't know about, I listen to the front line people that do. Let's see how this plays out and what Musk gets that he feels is missing.

We are seeing what will get removed, what gets added? What is not in there that Musk wants?
Let's see... Any takers?

You guys see nothing wrong with Musks influence over Trump and the Government? You think Trump is calling the shots over Musk? Musk has bought his way into being Emperor, thumbs up or down...

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Oh, so we shouldnt compromise and reach across the isle to get this passed?

Nice to see you finally agreeing with us. There is no compromising with evil. Glad you finally saw the light and agreed with us.

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There will be some compromise, that is the nature of the Beast. What those items are, is the crux of the issue isn't it.

The interesting dynamic is Johnson, who knows Congress, Trump and Musk. Vivek is just Vivek, he will throw out stuff that has no real meaning.

But the Musk who knows what he wants vs Johnson who knows what he can get through is the real game. Trump is s practicing hand gestures in the mirror for his next TV spot ... He sold any say to Elon to guarantee the election.

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Curious to see the Boards comments on this.

Do you want manufacturers to have to report information on the cars you drive and crashes? Auto Industry considers them burdensome. Tesla, which brags about the data capabilities, doesn't want to have to share the information because you may use when making a decision to sell. NHTSA uses to develop and test specifications and standards for cars in US. Should we monitor car crashes, especially fatals? Or do you trust Must that he will take care of you, so you don't need to know.

Donald Trump's transition team wants to scrap a car crash requirement opposed by Elon Musk's Tesla

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Which federal agency brought down the Ford Pinto? Or exposed the Bronco/Explorer roll-overs?


Which federal agency exposed the pharmaceutical companies hooking millions on opioids?


Which federal agency is currently linking the Kung Fru vaccines to blood clots?

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Do you know the history of the Pinto case? Lee Strickland was a NHTSA engineer looking into the Pinto fires. NHTSA stopped the Pinto from being further produced. Really interesting Legal Student paper on it
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The Ford Pinto Case and the Development of Auto Safety Regulations, 1893-1978

Was this data gathering requirement a response to the Pinto situation? I don't know, but my opinion is I want to know the data and consumers have a right to know before spending 10's of thousands on a car. This will become more of an issue as cars become more capable of reporting data back. Do we want "Ford" determining what we should see? Just substitute "Ford" for "Elon" does that change the situation?

By the way, I do not believe to have the answers. Just my opinions on legitimate questions that come up from election rhetoric when implementing. What bothers me is the response when the discussions come up, ranging from you are a Liberal to Evil. These questions should be discussed based on real data, not just throwing everyone who discusses into the "Evil" pile based on religious fervor.

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I remember the PInto. Drove a maroon one with a black interior and no air conditioner for as a fill-in summer job a few times delivering prescriptions for a local pharmacy (owned by a family friend). I remember wondering how the potential explosion could make things any hotter than they already were. All that's to say:' Product liability cases happen no matter how many federal regulators/regulations are on the books.

You are making a maximalist case which is more extreme than the agenda you're arguing against. Building regulatory structures with only input from bureaucrats is a great way to stifle an economy. In a free society, individuals and corporations do indeed have 1st amendment rights to speak and assemble to have their interests addressed. More importantly, their input is essential to make sure regulations do more good than harm. What kind of harm, you ask? Every single penny spent on unnecessary regulations drives up costs being paid by the average joe. That question was more than implicit in the last election. It was on the ballot., with names of leaders and a logo. Voters made their choice. And it was logical. Things are wildly out of balance in favor of the regulators, who are long overdue for a haircut.

Don't worry. After the haircuts are done, the regulators and regulations will make a comeback. Nothing is quite so hirsute, nor skilled at avoiding the barber, as the federal government. Things WILL grow back. But when you do have an opportunity to tie the USG down in the salon chair, go for the buzz cut. You will not have many opportunities to do so again.

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No, I wasn't making a maximal case, Elon was. Check out original. Pinto came in response.

Donald Trump's transition team wants to scrap a car crash requirement opposed by Elon Musk's Tesla

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yes, you are.

You are stating that Musk wants no regulations on his business, when in fact his complaint is quite a bit more narrow than that. From your link:

"Tesla finds the rules unfair because it believes it reports better data than other automakers, which makes it look like Tesla is responsible for an outsized number of crashes involving advanced driver-assistance systems, one of the sources said.

NHTSA cautions that the data should not be used to compare one automaker's safety with another's because different companies collect information on crashes in different ways."

I have first hand experience how reporting requirements like this have been exceedingly sloppily designed and distributed by federal regulators, in ways that very unfairly empower competitors to such a degree that it's almost like the government set up the whole program precisely to benefit the competitors. Yeah, yeah, Hanlon's Razor & all that, but what does it matter if regulators bungle a program because of incompetence vs corruption? Stockholders are harmed just as much either way.

Remember: Musk didn't have much problem with regulatory agencies until he started straying from the Democrat plantation. when he did, they threw the alphabet soup of regulators at him.

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BS, he met the same regulatory requirements when he was a Dem. He started complaining about it when he found a sympathetic ear in Trump to get rid of them. He didn't change Parties and then all of a sudden have to report, as if he got a pass before. That is total BS and you know it. Tesla always had to report.
You are making this up to justify your visceral disagreement with him over regulations, literally inverting cause/effect.

No industry WANTS to report, it is a pain in the ass. But it is there for a reason. There is a history of automakers making decisions favoring the bottomline over safety. Wonder how you would feel if you lost a loved one in your Pinto? Policy is about more than your personal experience.
There is also a history of over-regulation, mis-regulation, and regulatory malpractice.

As usual you want to turn this into some type of witch hunt, when the question was about cars being able to generate more data, Tesla brags about it constantly, yet they are upset when that data is used. He is not even in office and already Musk is trying to get rid of regs that he doesn't like. That is not about efficiency, it is about control. You honestly don't want to know about the safety of the car your daughter drives? Govt has no right. Strangest CIA guy I ever met, most love having more data to make decisions.
Uh, that's not what your link says.
I was an ops guy. Data doesn't mean much when your walking dusty 3rd world streets at night in disguise. You have to know the environment & live by your wits.

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We get it. You LIKE regulations. But in reality, wanting to edit/end regulations is not a problem at all. A lot of them are mostly unhelpful. And in this case, he's complaining specifically that the regulation in question unfairly distorts competition. That is a problem all across the spectrum. The regulated can & do influence bureaucratic agendas, specifically to disadvantage competitors. (because the regulators are often relatively clueless about the impact of what they're doing.)

Sen. Rand Paul is floating Elon Musk to be Speaker of the House after the powerful, billionaire tech businessman helped torpedo a bipartisan agreement on a short-term spending bill. https://t.co/VvnzVXSLFg

— Axios (@axios) December 19, 2024

This will make some in here explode

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BS, he met the same regulatory requirements when he was a Dem. He started complaining about it when he found a sympathetic ear in Trump to get rid of them. He didn't change Parties and then all of a sudden have to report, as if he got a pass before. That is total BS and you know it. Tesla always had to report.
You are making this up to justify your visceral disagreement with him over regulations, literally inverting cause/effect.


Come on, TESLA didn't have to meet reporting requirements? That came about only after Musk left the Dems? Really? You are standing by that NHTSA reporting requirements are directed by Party Affiliation?

No industry WANTS to report, it is a pain in the ass. But it is there for a reason. There is a history of automakers making decisions favoring the bottomline over safety. Wonder how you would feel if you lost a loved one in your Pinto? Policy is about more than your personal experience.
There is also a history of over-regulation, mis-regulation, and regulatory malpractice.

Just like there is a history of OEMs putting our unsafe cars and/or not correcting problems because it cost too much. You think you get those recalls without regulation? Especially a TESLA! You want an EV Autonomous Car where the only word you have for how safe is TESLA? You are literally betting yours and others lives on them being honest. Here is the the 10 automakers that have initiated the most recall campaigns during 2022 and the total number of vehicles involved:


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Ford: 67 recalls, 8,636,265 units

Volkswagen Group: 45 recalls, 1,040,885 units

Fiat-Chrysler/Stellantis: 38 recalls, 3,041,431 units

Mercedes-Benz: 33 recalls, 969,993 units

General Motors: 32 recalls, 3,371,302 units

Kia: 24 recalls, 1,458,962 units

Hyundai: 22 recalls, 1,452,101 units

Tesla: 20 recalls, 3,769,581 units

BMW: 19 recalls, 1,000,455 units

Nissan: 15 recalls, 1,568,385 units

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Look at the number of people impacted. We are talking about 20M.




As usual you want to turn this into some type of witch hunt, when the question was about cars being able to generate more data, Tesla brags about it constantly, yet they are upset when that data is used. He is not even in office and already Musk is trying to get rid of regs that he doesn't like. That is not about efficiency, it is about control. You honestly don't want to know about the safety of the car your daughter drives? Govt has no right. Strangest CIA guy I ever met, most love having more data to make decisions.
Uh, that's not what your link says.
I was an ops guy. Data doesn't mean much when your walking dusty 3rd world streets at night in disguise. You have to know the environment & live by your wits.

Nice, sounds like interesting work (serious). IMO, Ops work is the best, most exciting part of any business.

As for our discussion, you still didn't use or get data? Having good data didn't make your job safer or have a higher success rate? Also, isn't the job of the CIA to generate data? Should your contractor tell you what data should and shouldn't be available to you?

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Trumpy Bear now calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling. Now, that's conservative. Between adding to the out of control debt and slapping dumb taxes on Canda and Mexico ....hum

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Trumpy Bear now calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling. Now, that's conservative. Between adding to the out of control debt and slapping dumb taxes on Canda and Mexico ....hum

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Watch what comes out of this, Musk is going to fund his companies through the Fed. I would bet on Neuro-link, SpaceX and Starlink as the big winners money-wise. SpaceX, Neuro-link and Tesla on regulations.

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Trumpy Bear now calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling. Now, that's conservative. Between adding to the out of control debt and slapping dumb taxes on Canda and Mexico ....hum

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Watch what comes out of this, Musk is going to fund his companies through the Fed. I would bet on Neuro-link, SpaceX and Starlink as the big winners money-wise. SpaceX, Neuro-link and Tesla on regulations.

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that's why I'm long Tesla, even being in the O&G business.

Let me explain the debt ceiling to you since it's pretty clear most of you have no idea what is going on.

As of now, there is no debt ceiling.

Let me repeat that for all of those "true conservative" supporters. As of right now, there is no debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling…

— unseen1 (@unseen1_unseen) December 20, 2024

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Trumpy Bear now calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling. Now, that's conservative. Between adding to the out of control debt and slapping dumb taxes on Canda and Mexico ....hum

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Watch what comes out of this, Musk is going to fund his companies through the Fed. I would bet on Neuro-link, SpaceX and Starlink as the big winners money-wise. SpaceX, Neuro-link and Tesla on regulations.

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that's why I'm long Tesla, even being in the O&G business.

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Smart, if you have the resources I would long all of Elon's stuff. We have turned the Nation over to him and being the wolf that he is h will set up a very favorable situation for his businesses. He is sort of a mix of Howard Hughes and now Rockefeller/Carnagie. He has really masterfully taken over.

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Where is the money? https://t.co/0KDsp56H9y

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) November 24, 2024

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Are the liberals on here ok with this?????

The Leftists on here probably still think Joe's mind is as sharp as a rack & that Kamala was the best candidate ever. They dutifully nod and accept whatever the MSM feeds them.

This might be interesting;

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Where is the money? https://t.co/0KDsp56H9y

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) November 24, 2024

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Are the liberals on here ok with this?????

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Torn, if built they will be used even by Musks Teslas. So I do think it is not a boondoggle, bad ROI that it is.

Should we have spent it like we did? I say no, grid improvements and setting up the foundation for private investment to build the stations when needed and profitable would have been better if that is where that money was earmarked.

2020 MAGA: We MUST stop unelected wealthy people from influencing elections and making policy decisions for our government and using their platforms to influence people to believing in it!

2024 MAGA: Look what our unelected wealthy people did to influence the election and are helping make policy decisions while using their platforms to get people to support it!

The players change, the game does not. "We have seen the enemy, and he is us." Crazy.

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Trumpy Bear now calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling. Now, that's conservative. Between adding to the out of control debt and slapping dumb taxes on Canda and Mexico ....hum

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Watch what comes out of this, Musk is going to fund his companies through the Fed. I would bet on Neuro-link, SpaceX and Starlink as the big winners money-wise. SpaceX, Neuro-link and Tesla on regulations.

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Jesbus, time to flip the record. We get it. Move on to something else already.

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Trumpy Bear now calling for the elimination of the debt ceiling. Now, that's conservative. Between adding to the out of control debt and slapping dumb taxes on Canda and Mexico ....hum

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Watch what comes out of this, Musk is going to fund his companies through the Fed. I would bet on Neuro-link, SpaceX and Starlink as the big winners money-wise. SpaceX, Neuro-link and Tesla on regulations.

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Jesbus, time to flip the record. We get it. Move on to something else already.

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Yet that is still the dominant topic in the news. Why move on? Because you are sick of hearing it? Nah...

We are hearing a lot from Elon…but not much from Vivek yet. Or have I just been missing it?

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Which shows what?

Come on, you can put a lot of big numbers in the small pile... You can't be this simplistic.