Trump Shuts Down USAID

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BUDOS said:

I shall take you at your word and respect you for efforts. Obviously we often disagree on many things, but with your continued efforts to seek out the truth in all this mess, at least you should have some substance to the discussions.

Thanks. I try to maintain some decorum although undoubtedly I sometimes fail.
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I try for a little while. But after they prove themselves to be swine, I like to dust off my feet and move on.
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BearlySpeaking said:

Sam Lowry said:

BearlySpeaking said:

lololololol!

Digging deeper into the judicial shenanigans, I'm seeing Judge McConnell kept the gravy train going by taking management of fund distributions out of the President's hands, while Judge Engelmayer issued a TRO against the President and USDS having access to the data.
Engelmayer's ruling is a thing of beauty.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/court-filings/state-of-new-york-et-al-v-trump-et-al-order-2025.pdf

Judge Engelmayer cites a single case law justifying his grant of the TRO restricting financial data access solely to members of the Treasury bureaucracy and blocking out auditors, and it's a case about Navy sonar hurting some dolphins. I'm not only having a hard time seeing what that has to do with restricting the rights of the President of the United States to have auditing access to the funds entrusted to him, but the very case he cited justifying his TRO was already slapped down by the Supreme Court in 2008, stating it would be an "abuse of discretion" to continue the lower court's injunction.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/555/7/

So half of this "constitutional crisis" is based on a single case law cite about sonar and dolphins that was struck down in 2008. What a clown judge.
Engelmayer's citation is to the 2008 SCOTUS decision.
Yes, a TRO based on a single decision striking down an injunction concerning sonars and dolphins. An excellent basis for creating a "constitutional crisis."

Fascists gonna be fascists. They are grasping at straws because they lost big, have the American people against them, & can see their corrupt illegitimate power slipping away. It's a beautiful thing to behold their crazy flailing! It will be far more beautiful if & when cuts hundreds of billions from the budget, Congress passes appropriate legislation to reform these problems and make the fixed more permanent, and the crooks start going to prison.
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If it was overturned then it's not good law.

If a fascist judge cited it in a fraudulent power grab of a decision it's because it was all he could find. He's probably hoping the corrupt fascist media will give him cover and it would be enough to make it appear real. And they probably will because they have no professionalism. They only repeat the lies they are spoon fed by their superiors. But it likely will not be enough since what he did was completely illegitimate.

The fascist lies & scams are collapsing. They won't stand and hopefully will soon face justice. And American patriots everywhere are celebrating!
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BUDOS said:

It's heartening to see someone else so concerned about the deficit!

Yes it is. Everyone concerned about our absurd deficits and insane national debt is someone aware of the problem and looking to see something done about it. Thankfully Trump & DOGE are doing something. The crooks are squealing like stuck pigs so we know what they are doing is correct.
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Realitybites said:

BUDOS said:

It appears that there be weaknesses within the Constitution? Or is it us?


The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

John Adams gets at the root of our current problems: American immorality is rotting our culture. As a nation, we have turned against God and are reaping the results of rampant perversion & selfishness. Naturally, our government will reflect the problems with our culture.
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Married A Horn said:

I try for a little while. But after they prove themselves to be swine, I like to dust off my feet and move on.

That's biblical too, although under a different context.
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historian said:

If it was overturned then it's not good law.

If a fascist judge cited it in a fraudulent power grab of a decision it's because it was all he could find. He's probably hoping the corrupt fascist media will give him cover and it would be enough to make it appear real. And they probably will because they have no professionalism. They only repeat the lies they are spoon fed by their superiors. But it likely will not be enough since what he did was completely illegitimate.

The fascist lies & scams are collapsing. They won't stand and hopefully will soon face justice. And American patriots everywhere are celebrating!
It wasn't overturned. The cited rule is uncontroversial.
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Realitybites said:

BUDOS said:

It appears that there be weaknesses within the Constitution? Or is it us?


The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Great quote
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The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
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These last 2 posts are yuuuuge!
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BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
No doubt everyone here would be apoplectic.
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More fictional accusations: "Trump must be arrested and put in jail because he MAY turn into a dictator.

Same always with a verdict before any of his alleged 'wrongs' can even happen.
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Europe getting their own DOGE. Those fascists!

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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
No doubt everyone here would be apoplectic.
Correct.
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Redbrickbear said:



and the poor thing doesnt have a job now. What's she gonna do?
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Assassin said:

Redbrickbear said:



and the poor thing doesnt have a job now. What's she gonna do?


In the old days she would have moved into a 100K a year job at an liberal NGO

But now that Trump is taking out their funding via USAID who knows….lol
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Redbrickbear said:








This, folks, is the enemy. They have a hatred for us and want us dead or in prisons. They cannot be reached.
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The Deep State actually exists , in case anyone ever had any doubts.

These leftists in the federal bureaucracy prove it with every interview they give.

Trump / Musk are doing the exact right thing dismantling the entire mess.

Hope they can finish the job.
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Assassin said:




Now this is going to get interesting.
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Realitybites said:

Assassin said:




Now this is going to get interesting.

$130 million in tax payer cash to Mitt Romney type Republican group...gosh

I always wondered how the "principled conservative" and "country over party" type republicans were scamming the tax payer.

Now we know
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Redbrickbear said:

Realitybites said:

Assassin said:




Now this is going to get interesting.

$130 million in tax payer cash to Mitt Romney type Republican group...gosh

I always wondered how the "principled conservative" and "country over party" type republicans were scamming the tax payer.

Now we know

But does that describe Mitt? Can you say with a straight face that in his last years in the senate he was a principled conservative? Rather than say a McCain type Maverick??
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Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

1. The stated goal as pointed out is to slow Trump's agenda thru lawfare.
2. 100% of Sam's energy is focused on bashing Trump - not the corrupt evil left.
3. When this all gets kicked out at the SCOTUS, Sam will be found to be dead wrong. Yet again.

Think about point 3. When the SCOTUS says basically all the same stuff yall have been saying, just reply to every post Sam has made with a quotation of the majority's opinion.
I don't know how SCOTUS will rule, but they won't say the same stuff y'all have been saying. If they reverse the injunction they'll have a good reason.


And you will have been proven wrong. Yet again.
Only if they don't have a good reason. But you may be more right than you know...I'm assuming SCOTUS is still recognizably conservative.


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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
No doubt everyone here would be apoplectic.
Either DOGE audits and exposes or the right will eventually play the same game, which includes citing the "rule of law" as a means to conceal corruption.
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The US Treasury can't track $4.7 trillion in payments.

Medicare sent $2.7 trillion overseas to people that weren't eligible.

Pentagon lost track $2.5 trillion.

Social Security sends $100 billion a year to people with no identity.

Department of Education spends $50 billion a year to make your kids gay.

USAID spends $50 billion a year to make everybody else gay.

That's over a third of the National Debt right there, and it's only been 3 weeks.


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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
No doubt everyone here would be apoplectic.
Either DOGE audits and exposes or the right will eventually play the same game, which includes citing the "rule of law" as a means to conceal corruption.
Trump is already doing that as fast as he can. The case referenced in the post immediately above yours involves the firing of a special counsel who's responsible for investigating whistleblower complaints, prohibited personnel practices, FOIA violations, Hatch Act violations (e.g. bribery, coercion of campaign contributions, misuse of public funds for electoral purposes), and many other forms of corruption. It's a straightforward attack on government transparency. It's also an undisputed violation of federal law and an unapologetic grab for new executive power at the expense of Congress.
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
No doubt everyone here would be apoplectic.
Either DOGE audits and exposes or the right will eventually play the same game, which includes citing the "rule of law" as a means to conceal corruption.
Trump is already doing that as fast as he can. The case referenced in the post immediately above yours involves the firing of a special counsel who's responsible for investigating whistleblower complaints, prohibited personnel practices, FOIA violations, Hatch Act violations (e.g. bribery, coercion of campaign contributions, misuse of public funds for electoral purposes), and many other forms of corruption. It's a straightforward attack on government transparency. It's also an undisputed violation of federal law and an unapologetic grab for new executive power at the expense of Congress.
Well, clearly that guy wasn't worth a ****. He was probably part of the problem. That's a great thing about running the executive branch. You get to pick your personnel, more or less with some qualifiers. Maybe he'll put someone in there that's worth a damn.
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Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

BUDOS said:

The weakness in our Constitution as described by John Adams:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Interesting point. IMO, the weaknesses are us, as it regards the general masses. Too often I find myself mulling over the implications of the main quotes of Alexander Tyler.
100%.

What seems to be unique in this situation is that tax dollars are being laundered for purely political purposes.

Imagine the outrage if USAID was being used to fund billions in anti-Democrat propaganda.
No doubt everyone here would be apoplectic.
Either DOGE audits and exposes or the right will eventually play the same game, which includes citing the "rule of law" as a means to conceal corruption.
Trump is already doing that as fast as he can. The case referenced in the post immediately above yours involves the firing of a special counsel who's responsible for investigating whistleblower complaints, prohibited personnel practices, FOIA violations, Hatch Act violations (e.g. bribery, coercion of campaign contributions, misuse of public funds for electoral purposes), and many other forms of corruption. It's a straightforward attack on government transparency. It's also an undisputed violation of federal law and an unapologetic grab for new executive power at the expense of Congress.
Well, clearly that guy wasn't worth a ****. He was probably part of the problem. That's a great thing about running the executive branch. You get to pick your personnel, more or less with some qualifiers. Maybe he'll put someone in there that's worth a damn.


That guy was unbelievably bad at his job. Just the guy the left wanted in there. I'm so glad we're finally getting a large amount of transparency at the federal government. It's such a relief that we will have an executive branch that does their role fighting corruption and fraud -and takes back power from an overreaching judicial branch that is trying to be the top executive of the USA.

Sam - delete your account.
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If that were true then Trump could easily have fired him for cause, as required by law.
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Sam Lowry said:

If that were true then Trump could easily have fired him for cause, as required by law.


It was true... there is rampant fraud and grifting on your party's account.

Delete your account.
 
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