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Let me put it in a different light for you;

Were the Jews in Nazi Germany smart to just keep on following the law of the land? That stuff started in what? 1933? Earlier? They only followed the law... and 6 million got killed.

What about the Soviet Union? I dont even know how many were killed according to their laws.

Red China? Anyone got a number there?

Hillary?

You see, you would have us get screwed over by 'legalities' until its too late and we are forced to roll over and legally die. I prefer to stop their evil communist marxist fascists socialists ways before we get to that point. Ignoring courts has precedents. Ignoring criminal-exparte-legislating-from the-bench judges who are protecting the communists is a much better place to make a stand than when you are in front of a firing squad.

Win the war. Then go back to peace.

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Where is the left in your scenario? When you're ready for "peace, peace," you think they'll just go along with it and not want their revenge in turn? Or are they somehow eliminated along the way?

Civilization isn't something you can just switch on and off. Once it's gone, it's gone. And demagogues like Trump will always have their followers up in arms. It's the only way they survive. If Trump succeeds beyond all expectations and accomplishes everything he set out to do, in four years you'll be just as angry as you are today. Believe me, he'll make sure of it.

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We elect a president to stop this. He can't. We elect Congress to stop this, they won't. We didn't elect bureaucrats, but they facilitate this corruption.

Where did we go wrong? This is not working. There's something deeply wrong with our country.

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I agree with you. But the collapse into outright tyranny doesn't happen because something isn't wrong. It happens because something is deeply wrong with our country. We have to fix our culture, our society, and ultimately our government...not give unlimited power to grifters with false promises of a quick fix. That way lies ruin. Our underlying problems will not go away if we punish the left. Their ideology is only the symptom of a spiritual sickness.

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So Trump cutting fraud waste and abuse in the federal government is going to lead to our collapse into outright tyranny? After just experienced the Biden years, how on earth do you think Trump and Musk are grifters? How is the left abusing the law to delay Trumps agenda (which he was elected on) the "rule of law." How is Team Biden ignoring immigration law "rule of law." Please explain.

You draw false comparisons and equivalencies between the left and the right. Wake me up when Trump starts having his DOJ treat activist judges like the folks on Jan 6 who strolled through the capitol.

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We elect a president to stop this. He can't. We elect Congress to stop this, they won't. We didn't elect bureaucrats, but they facilitate this corruption.

Where did we go wrong? This is not working. There's something deeply wrong with our country.

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I agree with you. But the collapse into outright tyranny doesn't happen because something isn't wrong. It happens because something is deeply wrong with our country. We have to fix our culture, our society, and ultimately our government...not give unlimited power to grifters with false promises of a quick fix. That way lies ruin. Our underlying problems will not go away if we punish the left. Their ideology is only the symptom of a spiritual sickness.

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So Trump cutting fraud waste and abuse in the federal government is going to lead to our collapse into outright tyranny? After just experienced the Biden years, how on earth do you think Trump and Musk are grifters? How is the left abusing the law to delay Trumps agenda (which he was elected on) the "rule of law." How is Team Biden ignoring immigration law "rule of law." Please explain.

You draw false comparisons and equivalencies between the left and the right. Wake me up when Trump starts having his DOJ treat activist judges like the folks on Jan 6 who strolled through the capitol.

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Yes, rule of law means that sometimes your agenda gets delayed. You don't think that cuts both ways? Republicans have had some major victories in the courts lately. And y'all just get angrier with every one. Trump has made us such a party of sore winners that we can never be happy.

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Doc Holliday said:

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We elect a president to stop this. He can't. We elect Congress to stop this, they won't. We didn't elect bureaucrats, but they facilitate this corruption.

Where did we go wrong? This is not working. There's something deeply wrong with our country.

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I agree with you. But the collapse into outright tyranny doesn't happen because something isn't wrong. It happens because something is deeply wrong with our country. We have to fix our culture, our society, and ultimately our government...not give unlimited power to grifters with false promises of a quick fix. That way lies ruin. Our underlying problems will not go away if we punish the left. Their ideology is only the symptom of a spiritual sickness.

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So Trump cutting fraud waste and abuse in the federal government is going to lead to our collapse into outright tyranny? After just experienced the Biden years, how on earth do you think Trump and Musk are grifters? How is the left abusing the law to delay Trumps agenda (which he was elected on) the "rule of law." How is Team Biden ignoring immigration law "rule of law." Please explain.

You draw false comparisons and equivalencies between the left and the right. Wake me up when Trump starts having his DOJ treat activist judges like the folks on Jan 6 who strolled through the capitol.

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Yes, rule of law means that sometimes your agenda gets delayed. You don't think that cuts both ways? Republicans have had some major victories in the courts lately. And y'all just get angrier with every one. Trump has made us such a party of sore winners that we can never be happy.

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We are angry because we are being shown the extent and mechanism for the fleecing of the taxpayers by the federal bureaucracy. We want this to stop and activist judges are abusing their position by creating artificial barriers to delay. They need to be impeached (legally of course) and removed from the bench.

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There is nothing remotely activist about these orders. Trump or whoever's saying that is just riling people up to cause hostility against the judges.

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Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.

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the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?

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Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.

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The President can just ignore court orders.

The Supreme Court tried to block me from relieving student debt. But they didn’t stop me.

I’ve relieved student debt for over 5 million Americans. I’m going to keep going. pic.twitter.com/m1yh6lYGph

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 30, 2024

If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.

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As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.

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Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.

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Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.

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Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).

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Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.

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It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.

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Yeah, tons of fraud coming out of usaid going to right-wing causes. /s

You've got a lot of catching up to do.

Way to deflect the fact that you think republicans and democrats are both equally bad.

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I'm not deflecting from it at all. I just said I agreed with it.

Y'all are the ones who claim the moral high ground and then say "well, we're just following the Democratic playbook" whenever you get called out. Make up your mind.

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So do you think republicans and democrats are equally criminal and evil as each other?

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On balance, yes. Each is worse than the other in particular ways.

The problem with Trump is not that he's uniquely evil, but he's inclined to cross certain boundaries that can't be uncrossed.

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What's evil is that we have a full blown kleptocracy in D.C. and for some reason you're not concerned about it and you look forward to the continuation of it.

The difference between us is that I realize there's a sinister motivation behind these corrupt judges and you don't have that dog in you that wants to bite back. You don't put your foot down and you don't fight back because you're scared.

This is deeply wrong!

A judge just blocked dropping the overhead charged on NIH grants from the outrageous 60% to a far more reasonable 15%.

This judge is FORCING the CORRUPTION to CONTINUE.

WTF. https://t.co/3CSA6aZ0Jd

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 11, 2025

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We're both concerned. You're out for revenge. I care about the rule of law. That's the difference.

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Where did the judge get that authority?

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US Constitution Article 3 Section 2. The courts have jurisdiction over all cases arising from the Constitution or US laws, or to which the United States shall be a party.

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I don't mean where his jurisdiction comes from. Surely you don't think that clause means judges can tell anybody to do or not do anything and that's just "the rule of law."

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Married A Horn said:

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Let me put it in a different light for you;

Were the Jews in Nazi Germany smart to just keep on following the law of the land? That stuff started in what? 1933? Earlier? They only followed the law... and 6 million got killed.

What about the Soviet Union? I dont even know how many were killed according to their laws.

Red China? Anyone got a number there?

Hillary?

You see, you would have us get screwed over by 'legalities' until its too late and we are forced to roll over and legally die. I prefer to stop their evil communist marxist fascists socialists ways before we get to that point. Ignoring courts has precedents. Ignoring criminal-exparte-legislating-from the-bench judges who are protecting the communists is a much better place to make a stand than when you are in front of a firing squad.

Win the war. Then go back to peace.

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Where is the left in your scenario? When you're ready for "peace, peace," you think they'll just go along with it and not want their revenge in turn? Or are they somehow eliminated along the way?

Civilization isn't something you can just switch on and off. Once it's gone, it's gone. And demagogues like Trump will always have their followers up in arms. It's the only way they survive. If Trump succeeds beyond all expectations and accomplishes everything he set out to do, in four years you'll be just as angry as you are today. Believe me, he'll make sure of it.

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You didnt address a single thing I said. Just trolled more questions.

Enjoy Sam's contributions.

Rarely agree with him, however he trolls the board with real talent.

Suspect he is an excellent attorney.

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Enjoy Sam's contributions.

Rarely agree with him, however he trolls the board with real talent.

Suspect he is an excellent attorney.

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I can spot what he does a mile away cause he's just like my brother: acts all calm just to play a debate game. Once he loses, he shifts because he enjoys the debate (trolling).

Congress isn't doing its job because they benefit financially and politically by maintaining this corruption. We missed out preventing this and according to Sam the only people that should be allowed to do anything about it are those who are motivated to maintain it.

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It's the perversion of law that has led to these things. And make no mistake, perverting it further will not solve the problem.

The case doesn't end with a temporary restraining order. That's just the beginning, before they get to the merits. Just like the judiciary is supposed to do under a constitutional system with separation of powers. If there's any reason to claim these judges are acting corruptly, what is it?

We're all under man's law in this life. I don't have too much faith in it, but at least I see it for what it is. If you think Trump gives you an exemption in the name of Jesus, you're well on the road to fanaticism.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Six months ago you Trumpkins were saying there was no need to worry about Trump violating the law because the courts would keep him in check. Now you're saying he should defy the courts and imprison the judges. This is why some of us were concerned about fascism.

Totally predictable and predicted.

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the courts are designed to keep congress and exectutive in check.. who keeps the courts in check?

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Congress and the executive, working together to pass laws and appoint judges. Not a rogue executive defying the law and imprisoning his enemies, as some here seem to wish.

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The President can just ignore court orders.

The Supreme Court tried to block me from relieving student debt. But they didn’t stop me.

I’ve relieved student debt for over 5 million Americans. I’m going to keep going. pic.twitter.com/m1yh6lYGph

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 30, 2024

If the right becomes fascist, you can blame the left and everyone that didn't stand up to their bs. The right has been the "play fair" team for years and it's only screwed them. You moderates didn't say a damn thing and you didn't stop the left…but now you're concerned? Please.

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As I have stated 1,000 times, lots of the support of Trump is the reaction to Democrat hypocrisy.

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Duh.

Hypocrisy begets hypocrisy.

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Incorrect. The Democrats break virtually all of the norms and then feign outrage when they GOP follows their rules. I am not surprised you confound discretionary spending inside the executive branch to buying votes by illegally forgiving student loans.

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Every whataboutism is an admission of hypocrisy.

We can agree that the GOP is no better than the Dems (contrary to what everyone claimed to believe during the campaign).

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Dumb dumb statement. One of your worst. How many right-wing causes was usaid frauding the taxpayers out of? How many supreme court rulings has Trump ignored? How many right-wing spooks continually lied to keep democrats outbof office? How many right-wing politicians are trying to get dudes in women's sports? For you to say the 2 parties are the same exposes you for the evil that you are.

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It was Harrison who said it. I just agreed with him.

You've got a lot to learn about USAID if you don't think they support right-wing criminals and spooks.

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Yeah, tons of fraud coming out of usaid going to right-wing causes. /s

You've got a lot of catching up to do.

Way to deflect the fact that you think republicans and democrats are both equally bad.

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I'm not deflecting from it at all. I just said I agreed with it.

Y'all are the ones who claim the moral high ground and then say "well, we're just following the Democratic playbook" whenever you get called out. Make up your mind.

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So do you think republicans and democrats are equally criminal and evil as each other?

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On balance, yes. Each is worse than the other in particular ways.

The problem with Trump is not that he's uniquely evil, but he's inclined to cross certain boundaries that can't be uncrossed.

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What's evil is that we have a full blown kleptocracy in D.C. and for some reason you're not concerned about it and you look forward to the continuation of it.

The difference between us is that I realize there's a sinister motivation behind these corrupt judges and you don't have that dog in you that wants to bite back. You don't put your foot down and you don't fight back because you're scared.

This is deeply wrong!

A judge just blocked dropping the overhead charged on NIH grants from the outrageous 60% to a far more reasonable 15%.

This judge is FORCING the CORRUPTION to CONTINUE.

WTF. https://t.co/3CSA6aZ0Jd

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 11, 2025

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We're both concerned. You're out for revenge. I care about the rule of law. That's the difference.

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I ultimately value doing the moral, ethical and right thing over all else.

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So does the left. That's why we need the rule of law to protect us from the righteous.

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There's an objective truth to righteousness and it's not what they espouse.

Do you have convictions about what's right and wrong?

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Yes. Are you willing to abide by them without question? Didn't think so.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED RULE OF LAW.

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Jesus is the law and THE only thing I abide by.

Your rule of law has facilitated and encouraged murder, rape, child sex trafficking, propaganda, money laundering, regime change, war, hatred, trans ideology and so on, and it seeks to conceal and protect these exploits with impunity. It has morphed into lawfare for the wicked and as a means to conceal. It's doing the exact opposite of what the people want.

This is what happens when we put our faith in mankind instead of God. We get sin and tragedy.

You've arrived at the power of judges to conceal this corruption because it's lawful and that's where it ends for you. You're not asking why they're doing this. You're not asking why they want to hide the truth. Deep down you know why and you know it's not right.

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It's the perversion of law that has led to these things. And make no mistake, perverting it further will not solve the problem.

The case doesn't end with a temporary restraining order. That's just the beginning, before they get to the merits. Just like the judiciary is supposed to do under a constitutional system with separation of powers. If there's any reason to claim these judges are acting corruptly, what is it?

We're all under man's law in this life. I don't have too much faith in it, but at least I see it for what it is. If you think Trump gives you an exemption in the name of Jesus, you're well on the road to fanaticism.

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Its absolutely the perversion of law that's led to these things. Really its the lack of law.

Congress has offloaded its administration with the treasury, federal reserve and bureaucracy. Congress isn't doing its job because they benefit financially and politically by maintaining this corruption: therefore the rule of law that should prevent this is non existent.

It's quite literally the case that there's no representation handling the funds from taxation. That's taxation without representation. This is where the law and lack of law has led us and its against the constitution and everything this country was founded on.

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And where did that taxation without representation lead to?? A big bloody war.

We all know that and are for taking drastic steps to avoid that. Sam wants us all to just follow the law and walk into the gas chambers.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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We elect a president to stop this. He can't. We elect Congress to stop this, they won't. We didn't elect bureaucrats, but they facilitate this corruption.

Where did we go wrong? This is not working. There's something deeply wrong with our country.

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I agree with you. But the collapse into outright tyranny doesn't happen because something isn't wrong. It happens because something is deeply wrong with our country. We have to fix our culture, our society, and ultimately our government...not give unlimited power to grifters with false promises of a quick fix. That way lies ruin. Our underlying problems will not go away if we punish the left. Their ideology is only the symptom of a spiritual sickness.

---

So Trump cutting fraud waste and abuse in the federal government is going to lead to our collapse into outright tyranny? After just experienced the Biden years, how on earth do you think Trump and Musk are grifters? How is the left abusing the law to delay Trumps agenda (which he was elected on) the "rule of law." How is Team Biden ignoring immigration law "rule of law." Please explain.

You draw false comparisons and equivalencies between the left and the right. Wake me up when Trump starts having his DOJ treat activist judges like the folks on Jan 6 who strolled through the capitol.

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Yes, rule of law means that sometimes your agenda gets delayed. You don't think that cuts both ways? Republicans have had some major victories in the courts lately. And y'all just get angrier with every one. Trump has made us such a party of sore winners that we can never be happy.

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We are angry because we are being shown the extent and mechanism for the fleecing of the taxpayers by the federal bureaucracy. We want this to stop and activist judges are abusing their position by creating artificial barriers to delay. They need to be impeached (legally of course) and removed from the bench.

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There is nothing remotely activist about these orders. Trump or whoever's saying that is just riling people up to cause hostility against the judges.

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Constitutional scholar disagrees

https://www.foxnews.com/media/legal-expert-baffled-courts-intruding-significantly-trumps-presidential-authority

Yeah Sam doesn't understand that he's playing with fire because he presupposes that Congress and government will eventually correct course through the rule of law and make things right. Problem is they won't. Its impossible because this body of representatives are incapable of leaving behind financial exploitation that benefits them for the greater good.

These evil doers going unchallenged will double down on their corruption up until there's a financial reckoning that we can't recover from which would then lead to a revolt and outright rejection by the people of our countries laws and governance. In short, we continue to devalue the dollar and embark on financial ruin, millions won't be able to eat...then we're 7 days away from absolute chaos. This has happened countless times throughout history and if we think we're above it then we're being delusional.

Yes I'm being extreme with my rhetoric, but if you unpack trillions of dollars in corruption, its very much a reality.

He will stick to this delusion even if it destroys the country.

nothing but karla tans, and keats....

- el kkm

... dese USAIDS peoples.

largate!

D!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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Yeah Sam doesn't understand that he's playing with fire because he presupposes that Congress and government will eventually correct course through the rule of law and make things right. Problem is they won't. Its impossible because this body of representatives are incapable of leaving behind financial exploitation that benefits them for the greater good.

These evil doers going unchallenged will double down on their corruption up until there's a financial reckoning that we can't recover from which would then lead to a revolt and outright rejection by the people of our countries laws and governance. In short, we continue to devalue the dollar and embark on financial ruin, millions won't be able to eat...then we're 7 days away from absolute chaos. This has happened countless times throughout history and if we think we're above it then we're being delusional.

Yes I'm being extreme with my rhetoric, but if you unpack trillions of dollars in corruption, its very much a reality.

He will stick to this delusion even if it destroys the country.

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It's not extreme at all. It is what has always happened in history. Choosing to fight the war here at this point in time, results in way way less bloodshot... It's any at all.

Sam wants us to walk into the gas chambers because the government tells us to.