FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

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I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

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I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

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I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

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AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

the next food lines will be staffed by robots.............

- uncle fred

D!

GO Bears!

The talk of people not knowing the basics is very similar to one we have seen before in multiple fields. As technology progresses but older tech is still used the people who used the older tech retire but the new guys don't know how to use it.

We have seen it in NASA with different satellites or systems or even locally in Waco. Before the Owen's plant closed for good their furnace was so old that only a handful of people knew how to fix it.

And I'm sure we could list a bunch of other examples.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

---

I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

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AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

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It is different. I do agree with you. I see it a lot, if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job. At my place, I am last man standing. Everyone else is gone that was there when the last CEO retired.

That is one of the reasons I get so concerned about Trump and his trying to bring back the past. It does not work. We will never have the economy he wants again, that time has passed. We need to create a new economy. I don't want to see the US as the old manager still pining for the 1960's manufacturing.

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GDP growth is currently an outstanding 3.9%, and AI is 40% of that. It’s easy for politicians to posture and grandstand by beating up on tech. But the real question is whether they want 4% growth rates or 2% growth rates.

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) October 17, 2025

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Is our GDP really 3.9% or is it merely fake news ?

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ChatGPT fwiw

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Not an economist…..but isn't this good news ?

Thought the trade tariffs were destroying our economy.

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I would assume the GDP spike is because investment numbers are going up....from the investment portions of the trade deals. Going to be a very good 24-36 months for top-line GDP numbers, thanks to those investments alone.

How much that will translate to middle class consumer sentiment remains unknown, but the poll I posted somewhere here a few days ago is encouraging - the number of people who see the economy as the #1 issue has dropped by nearly half. So the emerging trend is positive.

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This is 2nd qtr GDP. April to June. It has nothing to do with investments from trade deals.

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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GDP growth is currently an outstanding 3.9%, and AI is 40% of that. It’s easy for politicians to posture and grandstand by beating up on tech. But the real question is whether they want 4% growth rates or 2% growth rates.

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) October 17, 2025

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Is our GDP really 3.9% or is it merely fake news ?

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ChatGPT fwiw

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Not an economist…..but isn't this good news ?

Thought the trade tariffs were destroying our economy.

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I would assume the GDP spike is because investment numbers are going up....from the investment portions of the trade deals. Going to be a very good 24-36 months for top-line GDP numbers, thanks to those investments alone.

How much that will translate to middle class consumer sentiment remains unknown, but the poll I posted somewhere here a few days ago is encouraging - the number of people who see the economy as the #1 issue has dropped by nearly half. So the emerging trend is positive.

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This is 2nd qtr GDP. April to June. It has nothing to do with investments from trade deals.

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well that's great news, then!

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

---

I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

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AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

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It is different. I do agree with you. I see it a lot, if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job. At my place, I am last man standing. Everyone else is gone that was there when the last CEO retired.

That is one of the reasons I get so concerned about Trump and his trying to bring back the past. It does not work. We will never have the economy he wants again, that time has passed. We need to create a new economy. I don't want to see the US as the old manager still pining for the 1960's manufacturing.

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What planet are you living on?

The new economy is being built with dozens of trillions of dollars of investments foreign and domestic in energy, infrastructure, and AI technology.

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

---

I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

---

AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

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It is different. I do agree with you. I see it a lot, if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job. At my place, I am last man standing. Everyone else is gone that was there when the last CEO retired.

That is one of the reasons I get so concerned about Trump and his trying to bring back the past. It does not work. We will never have the economy he wants again, that time has passed. We need to create a new economy. I don't want to see the US as the old manager still pining for the 1960's manufacturing.

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What FLBear doesn't understand, for all his arrogance, is that no one is saying we are looking to redo 1960s manufacturing.

And manufacturing still matters a lot to not only Economics but also National Security (the real kind, like being able to build your own computer chips for cutting-edge systems, for example). Only an idiot would pretend that depending too heavily on Service is a good long-term plan for the United States.

And only someone consumed with the brain-rotting effects of TDS would assume that Trump only wants 1960s technology in play. While Trump has his tech limits, he has surrounded himself with people who made their fortunes thinking ahead of the curve.

And just for the record, dissing the Boomers may be quite the fashion, but Boomers INVENTED a lot of the tech the kids are so happy with now, and the 'upper managers' I know where I work (a 503B compounding company) invented revolutionary sterile protection that makes our products the safest in the industry (in plain English, there are eight times as many contamination incidents using normal medications than happen with ours, due to production, packaging and delivery protocols better than anyone else).

Don't fall into stupid assumptions. It just makes you look like a Democrat.

The last thing you see right before the pillow covers your face: pic.twitter.com/jUUIw7cPal

— Wickedly 💚🍩 (@WickedlyNFT) October 28, 2025

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

---

I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

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AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

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It is different. I do agree with you. I see it a lot, if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job. At my place, I am last man standing. Everyone else is gone that was there when the last CEO retired.

That is one of the reasons I get so concerned about Trump and his trying to bring back the past. It does not work. We will never have the economy he wants again, that time has passed. We need to create a new economy. I don't want to see the US as the old manager still pining for the 1960's manufacturing.

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** sigh **

What FLBear doesn't understand, for all his arrogance, is that no one is saying we are looking to redo 1960s manufacturing.

And manufacturing still matters a lot to not only Economics but also National Security (the real kind, like being able to build your own computer chips for cutting-edge systems, for example). Only an idiot would pretend that depending too heavily on Service is a good long-term plan for the United States.

And only someone consumed with the brain-rotting effects of TDS would assume that Trump only wants 1960s technology in play. While Trump has his tech limits, he has surrounded himself with people who made their fortunes thinking ahead of the curve.

And just for the record, dissing the Boomers may be quite the fashion, but Boomers INVENTED a lot of the tech the kids are so happy with now, and the 'upper managers' I know where I work (a 503B compounding company) invented revolutionary sterile protection that makes our products the safest in the industry (in plain English, there are eight times as many contamination incidents using normal medications than happen with ours, due to production, packaging and delivery protocols better than anyone else).

Don't fall into stupid assumptions. It just makes you look like a Democrat.

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Boomers? Who is discussing Boomers, you brought up Boomers.

My post was on remaining flexible. What was yours on? Besides some pontification not related to the initial conversation.

As for recreating the 60's economy, the "Golden Age". You may want to research your hero's comments. He quotes two times in American history - 60's manufacturing and the McKinnley's use of tariff's at the turn of the 19th Century.

You really should know something about who you blindly follow...

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

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I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

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Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

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AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

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It is different. I do agree with you. I see it a lot, if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job. At my place, I am last man standing. Everyone else is gone that was there when the last CEO retired.

That is one of the reasons I get so concerned about Trump and his trying to bring back the past. It does not work. We will never have the economy he wants again, that time has passed. We need to create a new economy. I don't want to see the US as the old manager still pining for the 1960's manufacturing.

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** sigh **

What FLBear doesn't understand, for all his arrogance, is that no one is saying we are looking to redo 1960s manufacturing.

And manufacturing still matters a lot to not only Economics but also National Security (the real kind, like being able to build your own computer chips for cutting-edge systems, for example). Only an idiot would pretend that depending too heavily on Service is a good long-term plan for the United States.

And only someone consumed with the brain-rotting effects of TDS would assume that Trump only wants 1960s technology in play. While Trump has his tech limits, he has surrounded himself with people who made their fortunes thinking ahead of the curve.

And just for the record, dissing the Boomers may be quite the fashion, but Boomers INVENTED a lot of the tech the kids are so happy with now, and the 'upper managers' I know where I work (a 503B compounding company) invented revolutionary sterile protection that makes our products the safest in the industry (in plain English, there are eight times as many contamination incidents using normal medications than happen with ours, due to production, packaging and delivery protocols better than anyone else).

Don't fall into stupid assumptions. It just makes you look like a Democrat.

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Boomers? Who is discussing Boomers, you brought up Boomers.

My post was on remaining flexible. What was yours on? Besides some pontification not related to the initial conversation.

As for recreating the 60's economy, the "Golden Age". You may want to research your hero's comments. He quotes two times in American history - 60's manufacturing and the McKinnley's use of tariff's at the turn of the 19th Century.

You really should know something about who you blindly follow...

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you should really think more deeply before you misapply the lessons of history.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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This makes sense but, as I noted recently, it could backfire. https://t.co/MyaWsYYDYe pic.twitter.com/iXegudYynQ

— Philippe Lemoine (@phl43) October 27, 2025

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AI and the general information age is taking experience out of the equation because the younger generation are not having to do the entry level steps that give the foundation of "Senior Experience". Most junior and now mid-level employees have not done the basics of their jobs by hand. It has been computer driven data.

I saw the beginnings of computerized engineering for roads. I remember the presentation that the new software will do all the calcs and tangents, and the old engineer in the back said "where's the fun in that"? Going in the field and seeing the terrain to solve problems is the fun part of the job. Not anymore.

Anyone remember Apollo 13? The movie, where they threw everything on the table and said we have to make that fit into this and do these functions. Everyone loved that scene, it wouldn't happen today. The computer AI would figure it out. We would watch and maybe truth check with spot checks. AI is going to be bad for the common person's abilities as we rely more and more on AI.

I remember doing traffic counts sitting at intersections for 3 hours counting cars and the different movements, technology does that now. Cameras and software. Tech doesn't give you a feel for what is happening, it is 2 dimensional.

This is not a good thing for people. It may be good for ROI and Wall St metrics, but not for people. WAZE and Mapping software have made people LESS good at navigation. AI will take that to the n-th degree. This is not a good thing.

A few CEOs will make a lot of money, Whiterock will be happy, but there are a lot of potential negatives that no one seems to care about, after all they are not included in the Wall Street metrics that dictate what is good or bad.

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Yet it's coming and there is nothing you can do about it. Don't embrace it and get swept away with the other holdouts - or embrace it and see how it can make your life and job so much easier

---

I am not concerned over the intermediate term, the ones in danger are the entry, junior and middle levels. They have relied on it their entire careers, they don't know the basics from the grunt level. They will be hard pressed to move into roles where they are supposed to know if something is done correctly because they only relied on AI to tell them. They will be hurt.

Senior Mgt, they came up before AI. They had to do the grunt work and know Ops from the bottom up, so they have something AI can't simulate. That experience will be valuable. AI may actually cause a boom for older workers who do have critical thinking and grunt level skills and work ethics. Why I told my son to start in Ops, know the Ports from the bottom up.

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I was on the cutting edge of software for years. Learned from NT Server up to 2012 Server before I broke my back. Even though I'm dyslexic, I figured out how to make Server work. I ran offices as the only IT guy with 86 people in them. Thats doing everything from cabling to Foward Lookup Zones to setting up their PCs to VOIP when it came out. I see the software today and know its been built so differently that I wouldnt have a clue. Everything is "in the cloud"

Times change and you change with them or get left behind

---

Take a look at that book. You will find it very interesting. My concern, this is more than just a change in how we do business or a mechanical advantage.

---

AI will definately change the rules of the game. I am using the crap out of ChatGPT and Grok right now to learn the user side. Would love to know more about the software but finding myself in a different Mindspace for learning at my age

---

It is different. I do agree with you. I see it a lot, if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job. At my place, I am last man standing. Everyone else is gone that was there when the last CEO retired.

That is one of the reasons I get so concerned about Trump and his trying to bring back the past. It does not work. We will never have the economy he wants again, that time has passed. We need to create a new economy. I don't want to see the US as the old manager still pining for the 1960's manufacturing.

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** sigh **

What FLBear doesn't understand, for all his arrogance, is that no one is saying we are looking to redo 1960s manufacturing.

And manufacturing still matters a lot to not only Economics but also National Security (the real kind, like being able to build your own computer chips for cutting-edge systems, for example). Only an idiot would pretend that depending too heavily on Service is a good long-term plan for the United States.

And only someone consumed with the brain-rotting effects of TDS would assume that Trump only wants 1960s technology in play. While Trump has his tech limits, he has surrounded himself with people who made their fortunes thinking ahead of the curve.

And just for the record, dissing the Boomers may be quite the fashion, but Boomers INVENTED a lot of the tech the kids are so happy with now, and the 'upper managers' I know where I work (a 503B compounding company) invented revolutionary sterile protection that makes our products the safest in the industry (in plain English, there are eight times as many contamination incidents using normal medications than happen with ours, due to production, packaging and delivery protocols better than anyone else).

Don't fall into stupid assumptions. It just makes you look like a Democrat.

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Boomers? Who is discussing Boomers, you brought up Boomers.

My post was on remaining flexible. What was yours on? Besides some pontification not related to the initial conversation.

As for recreating the 60's economy, the "Golden Age". You may want to research your hero's comments. He quotes two times in American history - 60's manufacturing and the McKinnley's use of tariff's at the turn of the 19th Century.

You really should know something about who you blindly follow...

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you should really think more deeply before you misapply the lessons of history.

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You are doing a good enough job of that without my help.

By the way, my post was about flexibility in a changing workplace.

Almost funny to see FLBear try to deny what he posted.

I'm not trying to get into this back and forth but I did not take his post to mean boomers. I took it as if people aren't adapting then they are falling behind and being replaced. I have seen this very thing happen with lots of mid and upper management people. Not just boomers but people in their 60s or 50s as he said but also with people in their 40s or younger.

For example, all the management that couldn't handle the switch to remote 5 years ago and wanted everyone to return to in office work.

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Almost funny to see FLBear try to deny what he posted.

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cowboycwr said:

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I'm not trying to get into this back and forth but I did not take his post to mean boomers. I took it as if people aren't adapting then they are falling behind and being replaced. I have seen this very thing happen with lots of mid and upper management people. Not just boomers but people in their 60s or 50s as he said but also with people in their 40s or younger.

For example, all the management that couldn't handle the switch to remote 5 years ago and wanted everyone to return to in office work.

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Thank you. It was about flexibility and being able to adapt to the younger Senior Managers coming in that do things differently. If you argue that the way we used to do it is better, you will be replaced. Watched it happen a lot.

“Good morning. Your payment has been declined” pic.twitter.com/Kqj2TT49bZ

— dennis hegstad (@dennishegstad) October 29, 2025

FLBear: "Boomers? Who is discussing Boomers, you brought up Boomers."

Also FLBear: "if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job"

You brought up Boomers.

FLBear: "You really should know something about who you blindly follow..."

While you should do something about your unending paranoia

I notice you failed to even address my larger point. As usual.

Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear: "Boomers? Who is discussing Boomers, you brought up Boomers."

Also FLBear: "if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job"

You brought up Boomers.

FLBear: "You really should know something about who you blindly follow..."

While you should do something about your unending paranoia

I notice you failed to even address my larger point. As usual.

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Do I really need to tell you that once again you are wrong. The last Boomer year was 1964, making the youngest Boomer 61. That is 6 years older than 55. Those from 55 to 61 are Gen X. So, it is not Boomers I was talking about. It was over 55, last 10 years in work forve, which is predominantly Gen X (6 years to 4 years)

Before blathering on you really should know what you are talking about. How have you survived this long?

Ahhhh, FLBear is back to personal attacks.


Guess there's not much he can do to defend his opinion, so I get it.

Oldbear83 said:

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Ahhhh, FLBear is back to personal attacks.


Guess there's not much he can do to defend his opinion, so I get it.

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You reap what you sow... It is fun getting you to dance, you never disappoint. Very Pavlovian.

Oldbear83 said:

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Almost funny to see FLBear try to deny what he posted.

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"....I don't know what he said. I don't think he even knows what he said..."
-Donald Trump (speaking about Joe Biden)

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Oldbear83 said:

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Almost funny to see FLBear try to deny what he posted.

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"....I don't know what he said. I don't think he even knows what he said..."
-Donald Trump (speaking about Joe Biden)

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"if you are over 55 and want to work you have to learn how to work in today's world, not the 1990's or 2000's. I see too many upper managers that can't make the adjustment, they spent more time arguing why the way they used to do it is better than doing the job"

Well, what part did I mention Boomers and what part do you disagree? I didn't know 55 year olds were Boomers. Look it up.

The guy is an idiot, you like falling in line with that clown? I guess you have to support MAGA, part of the by-laws. With a Trump quote no less, you will get extra Bannon-points.

By now, I'd actually be surprised if FLBear stopped his endless tantrum and considered my point about how much tech was invented and improved by the older people he mocks and derides.

He seems locked in a tailspin of paranoia, pettiness and petulance.

Where is the AI robot that forages the fields and forests for survival food for the poor? Will it accidentally pick the wrong mushroom?

Oldbear83 said:

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By now, I'd actually be surprised if FLBear stopped his endless tantrum and considered my point about how much tech was invented and improved by the older people he mocks and derides.

He seems locked in a tailspin of paranoia, pettiness and petulance.

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Mocks? You just make **** up...

Learning to work with the younger leadership is not mocking. And I am older than you. I just seem younger, maybe you should look into some treatments.

This from the guy making his tantrum a weeklong event.

The Jetson ONE personal air vehicle.

Price: $128,000pic.twitter.com/qrlTipWFqm

— Massimo (@Rainmaker1973) October 30, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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The Jetson ONE personal air vehicle.

Price: $128,000pic.twitter.com/qrlTipWFqm

— Massimo (@Rainmaker1973) October 30, 2025

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But does it fold up into a briefcase you carry in to your office?

boognish_bear said:

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The Jetson ONE personal air vehicle.

Price: $128,000pic.twitter.com/qrlTipWFqm

— Massimo (@Rainmaker1973) October 30, 2025

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"Bob, have you seen the cat anywhere?"

"Um, yeah. I last saw him going every which way when I took off in the car."

The plan? We gamble the entire global economy on inventing a technology that will abolish basically all jobs on the planet https://t.co/5PwrDbDupv pic.twitter.com/4gAdOLFhcw

— Maia (@maiamindel) October 30, 2025

I’m seeing a lot of companies saying they are laying people off because of AI. Oddly I’m not seeing any of them lowering prices because of AI.

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) October 29, 2025