Oldbear83 said:

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" Except for all the infrastructure they're bringing and tax base they're creating."

Zero new jobs, sucking up limited resources people need, sub-predicted ROI where we have numbers ...

It's like calling a cockroach infestation a bonus.

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You have it exactly backwards.

They do create jobs. They create even more tax base.

They don't suck up limited resources. They bring the tax base necessary to bring resources to where they are needed.

Ex: I will be meeting next week with a couple of board members of a small water system, ca 600 meters. They have a 275k gal/day drawing right on an aquifer system which covers a large area of the state. They are AT their pumping limit. Compounding this problem, the water level in their well is dropping inches/feet per year. They can get a small amount of water from a large nearby city, at great expense, and with a total lockdown on development of any meaningful commercial or industrial tax base = that larger city will give them a drip line of water to keep them alive while they slowly die....and ensure that all the development in the area steers around that area. This system has a permit to drill a well. But it costs about twice what they can debt service.

Greatest irony of all: the entire western boundary of their service area (CCN) is....the Brazos River. 1.8b gals/day flow right by them. That's 1,800,000,000 gallons per day. 1.8 BILLION gallons per day. But Brazos River water is saline enough that it must be pre-treated before it can be purified for human consumption (to prevent the purification equipment from scaling up). The cost of pre-treatment, purification, and pumps and piping is even more expensive than the well.

The Data Center is going to bring enough tax base to fix that water problem. They can guarantee to buy enough water to make the solutions cash-flow. All they ask for is to hook everyone in the system up on sewer in order to produce effluent to cool the Data Center. The DC will pay for all the infrastructure to collect the sewage, pipe it to the DC, and treat it on-site All it costs in Brazos River water is 1.5mgd = less than 1% of what's flowing buy that water system every day unused.

We do not have a shortage of water.
We have a shortage of water pipe.
Data Centers are bringing the pipe.

We had a $1b cardboard plant locate in our area in 2024. Uses 1mgd. That's $1000 dollars of tax base per gallon. Nobody squawked about that.
This DC I'm working with is a $15b investment. Will use 1.5mgd. Thats $10,000 dollars of tax base per gallon. And people are losing their minds.
Makes no logical sense whatsoever.

It is amazing how far from reality the narrative is on data centers. We've got small, marginally viable water systems all over the state, struggling with declining groundwater resources. Meanwhile, the Brazos river alone dumps 5.4B gallons of water per day into the Gulf of America. 5,4000,000 gallons per day. Billion. With a B. That's about 1000 data centers worth of water. Not arguing for a 1000. Not arguing for 500. But perhaps enough water for a hundred or so would make sense. as long as they bring the pipe.

We've got to quit mining ground water and start developing surface water.
It will take tax base to do that.
The Data Centers are bringing the tax base.

(Rinse & repeat on natural gas infrastructure, electrical generation, electrical infrastructure, etc.....)

WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Lol. Yeah that would be great. Kids in schools already don't listen to teachers and in extreme cases fight teachers for taking up their phones, punishing them, etc.

The kids don't care about other humans why would they care about or listen to robots?

Now I could see robots being useful for security (they could charge at intruders/active shooters), cafeteria workers, tutors, office tasks, maintenance or other tasks but not teachers.

boognish_bear said:

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WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Mightt be worth it to get rid of all the liberal poison the current folks have been spinning

Jevons paradox is happening in real time. Companies, especially outside of tech, are realizing that they can now afford to take on software projects that they wouldn’t have been able to tackle before because now AI lets them do so.

We’re going to start to use software for all… https://t.co/dK7m39NZEh

— Aaron Levie (@levie) March 25, 2026

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To date, there is no net job growth from data centers.

Full stop.
Yes, please full stop there, because it is categorically wrong.

That is so false as to be a lie.
There is job growth from data centers. Every. Single. One. being built is adding construction jobs. Every single one in operation is maintaining jobs. None are closing. Hundreds more are about to be built. They are indeed adding jobs. That job losses in other sectors exceed the growth in data center employment does not mean there is no job growth from data centers.

As to the 'tax base' claim, you keep ignoring all the tax abatements given these data centers.
You're only a little more than a half-bubble off here. Yes, abatements have been given in many cases. But abatements are nearly always given to new investment. And abatements are temporary in almost all cases. They might be as high as 80-90% in year 1 or 2, but they phase out over time, usually expiring sometime between years 5-10. More to the point: the extension of an abatement is a deferral in revenue NOT a reduction in tax base. The tax base is what it is, regardless of whatever abatement might be extended. The only question is how long government waits to get 100% of it.

FYI: None of the DCs I'm working with will receive any abatements.

So far, all regular people are seeing from these data centers is higher power and water bills, and no benefit whatsoever.
Except for the internet-connected supercomputer in their pocket they use to take, store, and post pictures of their grandkids on social media
Except for every friggin' appliance in their house connected to the internet via their home wifi system so that Siri can turn everything off/on on voice command.
Except for their vehicle which has its own hotspot so the grandkids can play games on the internet while driving to the grocery store.
Except for the wallet full of credit cards used to pay for those groceries via internet transactions.
(etc....)

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The camp at my hunting lease is a collection of trailers and temporary buildings 45 miles from the nearest gas station. When I fire up the hotspot on my Dodge Ram and access the internet there, I get offered a chance to network with the Samsung air conditioner in the window of one of the temporary buildings. think about that. An Wal-mart special appliance hanging in a window in one of the most remote parts of Texas is constantly searching for an internet connection. A sign of the times. Everything in our lives is connected to the internet, or trying to be. That has profound implications for how our economy will grow.

The growth in internet connectivity and capability will require exponential increases in data centers to literally host the internet. To get there, we will need exponential increases in infrastructure and energy. DCs will pay for that. And everyone else will get to touch that infrastructure.....to tap that energy, water, natural gas, and...yes....data.

Do we want China to host the internet? If not, then we need to get busy. elevated arsewholes & elbows busy.
Do you want all your credit card transactions to be on servers in China?


We are at a Sputnik moment. We are at the dawn of a new age and a peer adversary is equal or ahead of us in many aspects. Our government has made a choice to compete and win.

We are passing thru the threshold of a change in economy perhaps even more profound than the Industrial Revolution. Massive change ahead. Yes, AI is destroying "old" jobs. It will create more. Just not immediately.

Beware Luddite thinking.....

cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Except for all the infrastructure they're bringing and tax base they're creating."

Zero new jobs, sucking up limited resources people need, sub-predicted ROI where we have numbers ...

It's like calling a cockroach infestation a bonus.

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You have it exactly backwards.

They do create jobs. They create even more tax base.

They don't suck up limited resources. They bring the tax base necessary to bring resources to where they are needed.

Ex: I will be meeting next week with a couple of board members of a small water system, ca 600 meters. They have a 275k gal/day drawing right on an aquifer system which covers a large area of the state. They are AT their pumping limit. Compounding this problem, the water level in their well is dropping inches/feet per year. They can get a small amount of water from a large nearby city, at great expense, and with a total lockdown on development of any meaningful commercial or industrial tax base = that larger city will give them a drip line of water to keep them alive while they slowly die....and ensure that all the development in the area steers around that area. This system has a permit to drill a well. But it costs about twice what they can debt service.

Greatest irony of all: the entire western boundary of their service area (CCN) is....the Brazos River. 1.8b gals/day flow right by them. That's 1,800,000,000 gallons per day. 1.8 BILLION gallons per day. But Brazos River water is saline enough that it must be pre-treated before it can be purified for human consumption (to prevent the purification equipment from scaling up). The cost of pre-treatment, purification, and pumps and piping is even more expensive than the well.

The Data Center is going to bring enough tax base to fix that water problem. They can guarantee to buy enough water to make the solutions cash-flow. All they ask for is to hook everyone in the system up on sewer in order to produce effluent to cool the Data Center. The DC will pay for all the infrastructure to collect the sewage, pipe it to the DC, and treat it on-site All it costs in Brazos River water is 1.5mgd = less than 1% of what's flowing buy that water system every day unused.

We do not have a shortage of water.
We have a shortage of water pipe.
Data Centers are bringing the pipe.

We had a $1b cardboard plant locate in our area in 2024. Uses 1mgd. That's $1000 dollars of tax base per gallon. Nobody squawked about that.
This DC I'm working with is a $15b investment. Will use 1.5mgd. Thats $10,000 dollars of tax base per gallon. And people are losing their minds.
Makes no logical sense whatsoever.

It is amazing how far from reality the narrative is on data centers. We've got small, marginally viable water systems all over the state, struggling with declining groundwater resources. Meanwhile, the Brazos river alone dumps 5.4B gallons of water per day into the Gulf of America. 5,4000,000 gallons per day. Billion. With a B. That's about 1000 data centers worth of water. Not arguing for a 1000. Not arguing for 500. But perhaps enough water for a hundred or so would make sense. as long as they bring the pipe.

We've got to quit mining ground water and start developing surface water.
It will take tax base to do that.
The Data Centers are bringing the tax base.

(Rinse & repeat on natural gas infrastructure, electrical generation, electrical infrastructure, etc.....)

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Serious question then:

Then why are all the reports on these data centers about how the people around them see increase in their water bills, electric bills, talk of cities running out of water (in news articles) and things like that?
Can't tell you how many posts we get each month on the city facebook pages about increased water bills. For sure the rate didn't change. The fees didn't change.

Sure, in some cases, rates have actually gone up. That's a function of deficient planning at state & local government, to include a couple decades of irresponsible energy policy which has left us woefully short in energy generation capacity. This admin has addressed that - regulatory reforms aimed at easing the creation of new energy supply while simultaneously requiring the DCs to bring their own energy.

Are they just sensational news articles? Like one or two are causing this and the media makes it seem like it is all?
In this particular moment in time, people are unusually cranky, reacting negatively to everything that happens. First synapse is negative.

Also, why are cities giving huge tax breaks for data centers to come in and then reporting little to no taxes collected from the centers?
That's a local decision. I can tell you we are NOT giving any abatements. No need to. The demand for space is effectively infinite at this point. Tenants are going to lease whatever becomes available instantly at whatever price they can get it. For that reason, the developers are focused solely on effectiveness (getting product on the market) rather than efficiency (worrying about the cost getting the product on the market).

I predict the crunch will come 4-5 years down the road, when existing tenants will be replacing their equipment due to obsolescence. There will be a lot more supply of space at that time. They are going to come to us and say "give us an abatement or we are going to move to this new location in (pick a state)." That's not a new dynamic at all. Happens every day. But with every rush of building will later come a rush of "renegotiations." And we will do the renegotiations to keep them because all the revenue on a smaller value is better than no revenue on a larger value.

Finally, why did the one proposed for the Waco area get news reports of less than 10 jobs listed as what would be created? And that seems to be the norm. The media reports that few jobs are created with them. Not 100, 1,000 or numbers you see with factories, plants, etc but a mere handful?
Not aware of a 10-job DC being proposed. There is a bitcoin mining operation in a couple of floors of a multi-story building in downtown Waco. 10 jobs sounds about right for that. The ones I'm working with are hundreds of acres with dozens of buildings....and hundreds of permanent jobs. And it's pretty easy to rationalize. 25 Wal-Mart sized buildings, each requiring 5-6 employees on site 24/7/365. Do the math......

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If that isn't persuasive, invert it ala Charley Munger. What happens if we build ZERO data centers? How are we better off that way. Let China host the internet. We only build what we need for national defense. Is that practical?

or is it better to get busying building energy generation plants. We are decades behind. We either quit, or get caught up.

Texas will be the possibly the fastest growing place on earth, economically and demographically, over the next couple of decades. We are expected to double the population by the end of the century. WE NEED TO GET BUSYING BUILDING ENERGY GENERATION AND LAYING WATER PIPE. Data Centers are going to pay for all that stuff. And we will all be the better for it.

1. You provided no evidence of any jobs created by data centers (by the way, the construction companies you mentioned already had the employees they are using, so that doesn't count as job growth, either). Like it or not, the available numbers say data centers are not creating net job growth, but - perhaps indirectly - causing job loss.

2. The increased costs of water and power for individual customers has already been documented. You cannot simply pretend it's not happening.

3. Tax abatements are not helping citizens. Pretending the shiny new toy is going to help people just because you like it is not a compelling argument.

I am by no means a Luddite. I am, however, well aware that new technology is often harmful to many real people, and it's perfectly reasonable to hold companies responsible for the effects of their actions.

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— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Mightt be worth it to get rid of all the liberal poison the current folks have been spinning

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Who would program? You think the tech world is Conservative? You would still have same issue, curriculum is curriculum.

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Who programs them would have huge impacts...... but that could be managed and watched by both sides to be sure it is set to deliver just information/facts.

For example, it would ensure that when teaching math it teaches just math, not trying to throw in examples that have hidden agendas.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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boognish_bear said:

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WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Mightt be worth it to get rid of all the liberal poison the current folks have been spinning

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Who would program? You think the tech world is Conservative? You would still have same issue, curriculum is curriculum.

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Who programs them would have huge impacts...... but that could be managed and watched by both sides to be sure it is set to deliver just information/facts.

For example, it would ensure that when teaching math it teaches just math, not trying to throw in examples that have hidden agendas.

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We would have a population that lacks even more context than we have now! Well trained idiots, brilliant in math but have no idea how to use it besides taking a test...

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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boognish_bear said:

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WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Mightt be worth it to get rid of all the liberal poison the current folks have been spinning

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Who would program? You think the tech world is Conservative? You would still have same issue, curriculum is curriculum.

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Who programs them would have huge impacts...... but that could be managed and watched by both sides to be sure it is set to deliver just information/facts.

For example, it would ensure that when teaching math it teaches just math, not trying to throw in examples that have hidden agendas.

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We would have a population that lacks even more context than we have now! Well trained idiots, brilliant in math but have no idea how to use it besides taking a test...

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Why? Because their math problem wasn't about having two gay mommas who decide to raise lesbian rabbits adding 4 apples, subtracting 10 dildos, and on and on..... taught by a teacher that hangs a pride flag on the wall and spends more time talking about how there are 529 genders not just 2?

Most of us on this board had math teachers that just taught math and the word problems were just word problems. Made up nonsense like if two trains leave Chicago at X time and travel y speed type nonsense. No political agendas.

We all learned math and still have context and know how to use it besides a test. although there was a bunch of math that I learned that my teachers had no clue of real world examples. I vividly remember the question of "why do we need to know this?" and the teacher response of "because you need it in life." and no examples given or maybe one or two that were not very practical.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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boognish_bear said:

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WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Mightt be worth it to get rid of all the liberal poison the current folks have been spinning

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Who would program? You think the tech world is Conservative? You would still have same issue, curriculum is curriculum.

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Who programs them would have huge impacts...... but that could be managed and watched by both sides to be sure it is set to deliver just information/facts.

For example, it would ensure that when teaching math it teaches just math, not trying to throw in examples that have hidden agendas.

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We would have a population that lacks even more context than we have now! Well trained idiots, brilliant in math but have no idea how to use it besides taking a test...

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Why? Because their math problem wasn't about having two gay mommas who decide to raise lesbian rabbits adding 4 apples, subtracting 10 dildos, and on and on..... taught by a teacher that hangs a pride flag on the wall and spends more time talking about how there are 529 genders not just 2?

Most of us on this board had math teachers that just taught math and the word problems were just word problems. Made up nonsense like if two trains leave Chicago at X time and travel y speed type nonsense. No political agendas.

We all learned math and still have context and know how to use it besides a test. although there was a bunch of math that I learned that my teachers had no clue of real world examples. I vividly remember the question of "why do we need to know this?" and the teacher response of "because you need it in life." and no examples given or maybe one or two that were not very practical.

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Geez, my comment had nothing to do with that. Context in terms of how data fits with the subject matter and history..

whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Except for all the infrastructure they're bringing and tax base they're creating."

Zero new jobs, sucking up limited resources people need, sub-predicted ROI where we have numbers ...

It's like calling a cockroach infestation a bonus.

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You have it exactly backwards.

They do create jobs. They create even more tax base.

They don't suck up limited resources. They bring the tax base necessary to bring resources to where they are needed.

Ex: I will be meeting next week with a couple of board members of a small water system, ca 600 meters. They have a 275k gal/day drawing right on an aquifer system which covers a large area of the state. They are AT their pumping limit. Compounding this problem, the water level in their well is dropping inches/feet per year. They can get a small amount of water from a large nearby city, at great expense, and with a total lockdown on development of any meaningful commercial or industrial tax base = that larger city will give them a drip line of water to keep them alive while they slowly die....and ensure that all the development in the area steers around that area. This system has a permit to drill a well. But it costs about twice what they can debt service.

Greatest irony of all: the entire western boundary of their service area (CCN) is....the Brazos River. 1.8b gals/day flow right by them. That's 1,800,000,000 gallons per day. 1.8 BILLION gallons per day. But Brazos River water is saline enough that it must be pre-treated before it can be purified for human consumption (to prevent the purification equipment from scaling up). The cost of pre-treatment, purification, and pumps and piping is even more expensive than the well.

The Data Center is going to bring enough tax base to fix that water problem. They can guarantee to buy enough water to make the solutions cash-flow. All they ask for is to hook everyone in the system up on sewer in order to produce effluent to cool the Data Center. The DC will pay for all the infrastructure to collect the sewage, pipe it to the DC, and treat it on-site All it costs in Brazos River water is 1.5mgd = less than 1% of what's flowing buy that water system every day unused.

We do not have a shortage of water.
We have a shortage of water pipe.
Data Centers are bringing the pipe.

We had a $1b cardboard plant locate in our area in 2024. Uses 1mgd. That's $1000 dollars of tax base per gallon. Nobody squawked about that.
This DC I'm working with is a $15b investment. Will use 1.5mgd. Thats $10,000 dollars of tax base per gallon. And people are losing their minds.
Makes no logical sense whatsoever.

It is amazing how far from reality the narrative is on data centers. We've got small, marginally viable water systems all over the state, struggling with declining groundwater resources. Meanwhile, the Brazos river alone dumps 5.4B gallons of water per day into the Gulf of America. 5,4000,000 gallons per day. Billion. With a B. That's about 1000 data centers worth of water. Not arguing for a 1000. Not arguing for 500. But perhaps enough water for a hundred or so would make sense. as long as they bring the pipe.

We've got to quit mining ground water and start developing surface water.
It will take tax base to do that.
The Data Centers are bringing the tax base.

(Rinse & repeat on natural gas infrastructure, electrical generation, electrical infrastructure, etc.....)

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Serious question then:

Then why are all the reports on these data centers about how the people around them see increase in their water bills, electric bills, talk of cities running out of water (in news articles) and things like that?
Can't tell you how many posts we get each month on the city facebook pages about increased water bills. For sure the rate didn't change. The fees didn't change.

Sure, in some cases, rates have actually gone up. That's a function of deficient planning at state & local government, to include a couple decades of irresponsible energy policy which has left us woefully short in energy generation capacity. This admin has addressed that - regulatory reforms aimed at easing the creation of new energy supply while simultaneously requiring the DCs to bring their own energy.

Are they just sensational news articles? Like one or two are causing this and the media makes it seem like it is all?
In this particular moment in time, people are unusually cranky, reacting negatively to everything that happens. First synapse is negative.

Also, why are cities giving huge tax breaks for data centers to come in and then reporting little to no taxes collected from the centers?
That's a local decision. I can tell you we are NOT giving any abatements. No need to. The demand for space is effectively infinite at this point. Tenants are going to lease whatever becomes available instantly at whatever price they can get it. For that reason, the developers are focused solely on effectiveness (getting product on the market) rather than efficiency (worrying about the cost getting the product on the market).

I predict the crunch will come 4-5 years down the road, when existing tenants will be replacing their equipment due to obsolescence. There will be a lot more supply of space at that time. They are going to come to us and say "give us an abatement or we are going to move to this new location in (pick a state)." That's not a new dynamic at all. Happens every day. But with every rush of building will later come a rush of "renegotiations." And we will do the renegotiations to keep them because all the revenue on a smaller value is better than no revenue on a larger value.

Finally, why did the one proposed for the Waco area get news reports of less than 10 jobs listed as what would be created? And that seems to be the norm. The media reports that few jobs are created with them. Not 100, 1,000 or numbers you see with factories, plants, etc but a mere handful?
Not aware of a 10-job DC being proposed. There is a bitcoin mining operation in a couple of floors of a multi-story building in downtown Waco. 10 jobs sounds about right for that. The ones I'm working with are hundreds of acres with dozens of buildings....and hundreds of permanent jobs. And it's pretty easy to rationalize. 25 Wal-Mart sized buildings, each requiring 5-6 employees on site 24/7/365. Do the math......

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If that isn't persuasive, invert it ala Charley Munger. What happens if we build ZERO data centers? How are we better off that way. Let China host the internet. We only build what we need for national defense. Is that practical?

or is it better to get busying building energy generation plants. We are decades behind. We either quit, or get caught up.

Texas will be the possibly the fastest growing place on earth, economically and demographically, over the next couple of decades. We are expected to double the population by the end of the century. WE NEED TO GET BUSYING BUILDING ENERGY GENERATION AND LAYING WATER PIPE. Data Centers are going to pay for all that stuff. And we will all be the better for it.

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Much like Austin putting off road infrastructure. Now Austin is crap to drive around. People avoid it like the plague that the liberals made it

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WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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As if people didn't already have enough difficulty relating to other people.

I don't remember my teachers and professors nearly as much for the content they taught me as who they were and how they treated their students. The real blight of our time is the growing lack of ability to relate/interact positively with others no matter rhow difficult they might be.

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Amen... and it only seems to be getting worse the more technology integrates into our daily life

An Amazon data center in Oregon went online in 2011. It has since poisoned “the deepest reaches of the local aquifer,” & is causing cancer/rare diseases.

“He noticed a rise in bizarre medical conditions among the county’s 45,000 residents, linked to toxins in the local water.” https://t.co/O8L3WSU39z

— Laura Miers (@LauraMiers) March 26, 2026

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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boognish_bear said:

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WATCH: Melania Trump Suggests Using Humanoid Robots as Teachers Moving Forward - 03/25/26 pic.twitter.com/23lKPlD87k

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) March 25, 2026

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Mightt be worth it to get rid of all the liberal poison the current folks have been spinning

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Who would program? You think the tech world is Conservative? You would still have same issue, curriculum is curriculum.

---

Who programs them would have huge impacts...... but that could be managed and watched by both sides to be sure it is set to deliver just information/facts.

For example, it would ensure that when teaching math it teaches just math, not trying to throw in examples that have hidden agendas.

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We would have a population that lacks even more context than we have now! Well trained idiots, brilliant in math but have no idea how to use it besides taking a test...

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Why? Because their math problem wasn't about having two gay mommas who decide to raise lesbian rabbits adding 4 apples, subtracting 10 dildos, and on and on..... taught by a teacher that hangs a pride flag on the wall and spends more time talking about how there are 529 genders not just 2?

Most of us on this board had math teachers that just taught math and the word problems were just word problems. Made up nonsense like if two trains leave Chicago at X time and travel y speed type nonsense. No political agendas.

We all learned math and still have context and know how to use it besides a test. although there was a bunch of math that I learned that my teachers had no clue of real world examples. I vividly remember the question of "why do we need to know this?" and the teacher response of "because you need it in life." and no examples given or maybe one or two that were not very practical.

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Geez, my comment had nothing to do with that. Context in terms of how data fits with the subject matter and history..

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Why would they not get that just because it is a robot teaching them? Seems to me they could still get that if the robot is coded well?

boognish_bear said:

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An Amazon data center in Oregon went online in 2011. It has since poisoned “the deepest reaches of the local aquifer,” & is causing cancer/rare diseases.

“He noticed a rise in bizarre medical conditions among the county’s 45,000 residents, linked to toxins in the local water.” https://t.co/O8L3WSU39z

— Laura Miers (@LauraMiers) March 26, 2026

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This is why we pay for federal and state agencies to investigate such things. If the water is becoming toxic, then it needs to be addressed, so it can be corrected. Plus you hope the issue would be resolved efficiently so we don't throw out the baby with the toxic water. Find a fix and implement it.

I assume when "they" talk about robots as teachers they mean in some kind of homeschool or homeschool coop setting.

Yeah...I can't picture robots accomplishing anything as the teacher in a public school classroom setting with a full class of kids.

Me, thinking about Plato controlling a classroom of 30 middle school students...sure, robots are coming to take teacher's jobs...okay. pic.twitter.com/zPirtG9hx5

— Blake Harvard (@effortfuleduktr) March 26, 2026

Billy Idol told us all about it before it happened

cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Except for all the infrastructure they're bringing and tax base they're creating."

Zero new jobs, sucking up limited resources people need, sub-predicted ROI where we have numbers ...

It's like calling a cockroach infestation a bonus.

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You have it exactly backwards.

They do create jobs. They create even more tax base.

They don't suck up limited resources. They bring the tax base necessary to bring resources to where they are needed.

Ex: I will be meeting next week with a couple of board members of a small water system, ca 600 meters. They have a 275k gal/day drawing right on an aquifer system which covers a large area of the state. They are AT their pumping limit. Compounding this problem, the water level in their well is dropping inches/feet per year. They can get a small amount of water from a large nearby city, at great expense, and with a total lockdown on development of any meaningful commercial or industrial tax base = that larger city will give them a drip line of water to keep them alive while they slowly die....and ensure that all the development in the area steers around that area. This system has a permit to drill a well. But it costs about twice what they can debt service.

Greatest irony of all: the entire western boundary of their service area (CCN) is....the Brazos River. 1.8b gals/day flow right by them. That's 1,800,000,000 gallons per day. 1.8 BILLION gallons per day. But Brazos River water is saline enough that it must be pre-treated before it can be purified for human consumption (to prevent the purification equipment from scaling up). The cost of pre-treatment, purification, and pumps and piping is even more expensive than the well.

The Data Center is going to bring enough tax base to fix that water problem. They can guarantee to buy enough water to make the solutions cash-flow. All they ask for is to hook everyone in the system up on sewer in order to produce effluent to cool the Data Center. The DC will pay for all the infrastructure to collect the sewage, pipe it to the DC, and treat it on-site All it costs in Brazos River water is 1.5mgd = less than 1% of what's flowing buy that water system every day unused.

We do not have a shortage of water.
We have a shortage of water pipe.
Data Centers are bringing the pipe.

We had a $1b cardboard plant locate in our area in 2024. Uses 1mgd. That's $1000 dollars of tax base per gallon. Nobody squawked about that.
This DC I'm working with is a $15b investment. Will use 1.5mgd. Thats $10,000 dollars of tax base per gallon. And people are losing their minds.
Makes no logical sense whatsoever.

It is amazing how far from reality the narrative is on data centers. We've got small, marginally viable water systems all over the state, struggling with declining groundwater resources. Meanwhile, the Brazos river alone dumps 5.4B gallons of water per day into the Gulf of America. 5,4000,000 gallons per day. Billion. With a B. That's about 1000 data centers worth of water. Not arguing for a 1000. Not arguing for 500. But perhaps enough water for a hundred or so would make sense. as long as they bring the pipe.

We've got to quit mining ground water and start developing surface water.
It will take tax base to do that.
The Data Centers are bringing the tax base.

(Rinse & repeat on natural gas infrastructure, electrical generation, electrical infrastructure, etc.....)

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Serious question then:

Then why are all the reports on these data centers about how the people around them see increase in their water bills, electric bills, talk of cities running out of water (in news articles) and things like that?
Can't tell you how many posts we get each month on the city facebook pages about increased water bills. For sure the rate didn't change. The fees didn't change.

Sure, in some cases, rates have actually gone up. That's a function of deficient planning at state & local government, to include a couple decades of irresponsible energy policy which has left us woefully short in energy generation capacity. This admin has addressed that - regulatory reforms aimed at easing the creation of new energy supply while simultaneously requiring the DCs to bring their own energy.

Are they just sensational news articles? Like one or two are causing this and the media makes it seem like it is all?
In this particular moment in time, people are unusually cranky, reacting negatively to everything that happens. First synapse is negative.

Also, why are cities giving huge tax breaks for data centers to come in and then reporting little to no taxes collected from the centers?
That's a local decision. I can tell you we are NOT giving any abatements. No need to. The demand for space is effectively infinite at this point. Tenants are going to lease whatever becomes available instantly at whatever price they can get it. For that reason, the developers are focused solely on effectiveness (getting product on the market) rather than efficiency (worrying about the cost getting the product on the market).

I predict the crunch will come 4-5 years down the road, when existing tenants will be replacing their equipment due to obsolescence. There will be a lot more supply of space at that time. They are going to come to us and say "give us an abatement or we are going to move to this new location in (pick a state)." That's not a new dynamic at all. Happens every day. But with every rush of building will later come a rush of "renegotiations." And we will do the renegotiations to keep them because all the revenue on a smaller value is better than no revenue on a larger value.

Finally, why did the one proposed for the Waco area get news reports of less than 10 jobs listed as what would be created? And that seems to be the norm. The media reports that few jobs are created with them. Not 100, 1,000 or numbers you see with factories, plants, etc but a mere handful?
Not aware of a 10-job DC being proposed. There is a bitcoin mining operation in a couple of floors of a multi-story building in downtown Waco. 10 jobs sounds about right for that. The ones I'm working with are hundreds of acres with dozens of buildings....and hundreds of permanent jobs. And it's pretty easy to rationalize. 25 Wal-Mart sized buildings, each requiring 5-6 employees on site 24/7/365. Do the math......

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If that isn't persuasive, invert it ala Charley Munger. What happens if we build ZERO data centers? How are we better off that way. Let China host the internet. We only build what we need for national defense. Is that practical?

or is it better to get busying building energy generation plants. We are decades behind. We either quit, or get caught up.

Texas will be the possibly the fastest growing place on earth, economically and demographically, over the next couple of decades. We are expected to double the population by the end of the century. WE NEED TO GET BUSYING BUILDING ENERGY GENERATION AND LAYING WATER PIPE. Data Centers are going to pay for all that stuff. And we will all be the better for it.

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You keep mentioning the construction jobs connected to data centers but fail to admit those are TEMPORARY jobs. When the construction is done, those jobs move to the next construction project in the city/state or go away.

Most things I have seen show data centers having very few permanent jobs and almost none that are able to be held by people CURRENTLY in the location (like Waco) but rather will be held by people that move in.

LOL. So your answer to the water is that the city failed to plan, allowed a DC to be built and use up all the water, where the cost is passed on to the citizens of the city and you blame the city??? No that is 100% on the DC. No DC no rise in costs. Period.

Same for electricity. The same happens. DC gets built. Costs go up.

I do not want the DCs to get built in China but there has to be a better way to do it. They need to figure out how to reuse water, generate their own electricity, pay taxes, etc. This crap of the costs being passed on to the people is stupid.

But that is the same for all the factories, stadiums, business buildings, etc. that get huge tax breaks, are built with taxpayer money and then make record profits for their owners but not the citizens.

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Chaotic argument. Let me explain what it completely misses: A temporary job is a job. And if it moves from a project here to a project there....it's still a job. It still contributes to the national economy work/workers that would not occur if there were no data centers being built. Those crews are still working no matter where they are located. Sure, the 1500 construction jobs I'm planning on having to house and feed and keep healthy....having to repair their trucks and fill their trucks with gasoline and sell new tools when the old ones break, etc.......they may move on FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, but along the way they will lift our local economy in meaningful ways. More importantly, they will leave behind buildings that will employ 600 full time, high-paying skilled jobs THAT I DO NOT HAVE TODAY.

in other words, there is simply no way to find a negative in this. We get an immediate influx of employment that stimulates the local economy to the point of overheating, and then we are left with 600 high-paying skilled jobs we do not have today PLUS about $15b in tax base (for a 10x better return on water use than other industrial projects to date which have been entirely uncontentious).

Just mind-numbingly insane to try to make a negative out of that.
Rarely in my life have I seen conventional wisdom so catastrophically out of touch with reality.

So much spin and word salad.

Meanwhile, the data centers kill more and more jobs, pollute water, steal power and prove a pestilence on Humanity.

Oldbear83 said:

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So much spin and word salad.

Meanwhile, the data centers kill more and more jobs, pollute water, steal power and prove a pestilence on Humanity.

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Pure Luddite argument.

They kill jobs the way Henry Ford killed jobs.

They use a lot of water but do not pollute water. They are the cleanest industrial operation imaginable. Closed system cooling systems emit water vapor….distilled water. Then they relentlessly treat the remaining water to prevent concentrations of compound already in the water. Solids are appropriately disposed.

They do not "steal power." They use available power, which is in short supply due to decades of increasingly irresponsible energy policy. And going forward, they are going to have to generate their own power. Most of them are planning to bring more power generation capacity than they need and add to the grid (to build goodwill with public, electeds, regulators). So they are the furthest thing from an energy problem. They are THE solution to years of irresponsible energy policy.

They are only a pestilence to the extent the internet is a pestilence adding no value to humanity.

Quit listening to misinformation.

"Quit listening to misinformation."

Good advice you should take, especially confusing data centers - which treat people as objects - with Ford's strategic development of labor to advance his industry.

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cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Except for all the infrastructure they're bringing and tax base they're creating."

Zero new jobs, sucking up limited resources people need, sub-predicted ROI where we have numbers ...

It's like calling a cockroach infestation a bonus.

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You have it exactly backwards.

They do create jobs. They create even more tax base.

They don't suck up limited resources. They bring the tax base necessary to bring resources to where they are needed.

Ex: I will be meeting next week with a couple of board members of a small water system, ca 600 meters. They have a 275k gal/day drawing right on an aquifer system which covers a large area of the state. They are AT their pumping limit. Compounding this problem, the water level in their well is dropping inches/feet per year. They can get a small amount of water from a large nearby city, at great expense, and with a total lockdown on development of any meaningful commercial or industrial tax base = that larger city will give them a drip line of water to keep them alive while they slowly die....and ensure that all the development in the area steers around that area. This system has a permit to drill a well. But it costs about twice what they can debt service.

Greatest irony of all: the entire western boundary of their service area (CCN) is....the Brazos River. 1.8b gals/day flow right by them. That's 1,800,000,000 gallons per day. 1.8 BILLION gallons per day. But Brazos River water is saline enough that it must be pre-treated before it can be purified for human consumption (to prevent the purification equipment from scaling up). The cost of pre-treatment, purification, and pumps and piping is even more expensive than the well.

The Data Center is going to bring enough tax base to fix that water problem. They can guarantee to buy enough water to make the solutions cash-flow. All they ask for is to hook everyone in the system up on sewer in order to produce effluent to cool the Data Center. The DC will pay for all the infrastructure to collect the sewage, pipe it to the DC, and treat it on-site All it costs in Brazos River water is 1.5mgd = less than 1% of what's flowing buy that water system every day unused.

We do not have a shortage of water.
We have a shortage of water pipe.
Data Centers are bringing the pipe.

We had a $1b cardboard plant locate in our area in 2024. Uses 1mgd. That's $1000 dollars of tax base per gallon. Nobody squawked about that.
This DC I'm working with is a $15b investment. Will use 1.5mgd. Thats $10,000 dollars of tax base per gallon. And people are losing their minds.
Makes no logical sense whatsoever.

It is amazing how far from reality the narrative is on data centers. We've got small, marginally viable water systems all over the state, struggling with declining groundwater resources. Meanwhile, the Brazos river alone dumps 5.4B gallons of water per day into the Gulf of America. 5,4000,000 gallons per day. Billion. With a B. That's about 1000 data centers worth of water. Not arguing for a 1000. Not arguing for 500. But perhaps enough water for a hundred or so would make sense. as long as they bring the pipe.

We've got to quit mining ground water and start developing surface water.
It will take tax base to do that.
The Data Centers are bringing the tax base.

(Rinse & repeat on natural gas infrastructure, electrical generation, electrical infrastructure, etc.....)

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Serious question then:

Then why are all the reports on these data centers about how the people around them see increase in their water bills, electric bills, talk of cities running out of water (in news articles) and things like that?
Can't tell you how many posts we get each month on the city facebook pages about increased water bills. For sure the rate didn't change. The fees didn't change.

Sure, in some cases, rates have actually gone up. That's a function of deficient planning at state & local government, to include a couple decades of irresponsible energy policy which has left us woefully short in energy generation capacity. This admin has addressed that - regulatory reforms aimed at easing the creation of new energy supply while simultaneously requiring the DCs to bring their own energy.

Are they just sensational news articles? Like one or two are causing this and the media makes it seem like it is all?
In this particular moment in time, people are unusually cranky, reacting negatively to everything that happens. First synapse is negative.

Also, why are cities giving huge tax breaks for data centers to come in and then reporting little to no taxes collected from the centers?
That's a local decision. I can tell you we are NOT giving any abatements. No need to. The demand for space is effectively infinite at this point. Tenants are going to lease whatever becomes available instantly at whatever price they can get it. For that reason, the developers are focused solely on effectiveness (getting product on the market) rather than efficiency (worrying about the cost getting the product on the market).

I predict the crunch will come 4-5 years down the road, when existing tenants will be replacing their equipment due to obsolescence. There will be a lot more supply of space at that time. They are going to come to us and say "give us an abatement or we are going to move to this new location in (pick a state)." That's not a new dynamic at all. Happens every day. But with every rush of building will later come a rush of "renegotiations." And we will do the renegotiations to keep them because all the revenue on a smaller value is better than no revenue on a larger value.

Finally, why did the one proposed for the Waco area get news reports of less than 10 jobs listed as what would be created? And that seems to be the norm. The media reports that few jobs are created with them. Not 100, 1,000 or numbers you see with factories, plants, etc but a mere handful?
Not aware of a 10-job DC being proposed. There is a bitcoin mining operation in a couple of floors of a multi-story building in downtown Waco. 10 jobs sounds about right for that. The ones I'm working with are hundreds of acres with dozens of buildings....and hundreds of permanent jobs. And it's pretty easy to rationalize. 25 Wal-Mart sized buildings, each requiring 5-6 employees on site 24/7/365. Do the math......

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If that isn't persuasive, invert it ala Charley Munger. What happens if we build ZERO data centers? How are we better off that way. Let China host the internet. We only build what we need for national defense. Is that practical?

or is it better to get busying building energy generation plants. We are decades behind. We either quit, or get caught up.

Texas will be the possibly the fastest growing place on earth, economically and demographically, over the next couple of decades. We are expected to double the population by the end of the century. WE NEED TO GET BUSYING BUILDING ENERGY GENERATION AND LAYING WATER PIPE. Data Centers are going to pay for all that stuff. And we will all be the better for it.

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You keep mentioning the construction jobs connected to data centers but fail to admit those are TEMPORARY jobs. When the construction is done, those jobs move to the next construction project in the city/state or go away.

Most things I have seen show data centers having very few permanent jobs and almost none that are able to be held by people CURRENTLY in the location (like Waco) but rather will be held by people that move in.

LOL. So your answer to the water is that the city failed to plan, allowed a DC to be built and use up all the water, where the cost is passed on to the citizens of the city and you blame the city??? No that is 100% on the DC. No DC no rise in costs. Period.

Same for electricity. The same happens. DC gets built. Costs go up.

I do not want the DCs to get built in China but there has to be a better way to do it. They need to figure out how to reuse water, generate their own electricity, pay taxes, etc. This crap of the costs being passed on to the people is stupid.

But that is the same for all the factories, stadiums, business buildings, etc. that get huge tax breaks, are built with taxpayer money and then make record profits for their owners but not the citizens.

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Chaotic argument. Let me explain what it completely misses: A temporary job is a job. And if it moves from a project here to a project there....it's still a job. It still contributes to the national economy work/workers that would not occur if there were no data centers being built. Those crews are still working no matter where they are located. Sure, the 1500 construction jobs I'm planning on having to house and feed and keep healthy....having to repair their trucks and fill their trucks with gasoline and sell new tools when the old ones break, etc.......they may move on FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, but along the way they will lift our local economy in meaningful ways. More importantly, they will leave behind buildings that will employ 600 full time, high-paying skilled jobs THAT I DO NOT HAVE TODAY.

in other words, there is simply no way to find a negative in this. We get an immediate influx of employment that stimulates the local economy to the point of overheating, and then we are left with 600 high-paying skilled jobs we do not have today PLUS about $15b in tax base (for a 10x better return on water use than other industrial projects to date which have been entirely uncontentious).

Just mind-numbingly insane to try to make a negative out of that.
Rarely in my life have I seen conventional wisdom so catastrophically out of touch with reality.

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It isn't a chaotic argument. It is a fact based one. Perhaps that is why you pick and choose the points to argue and ignore other points.

Temporary jobs are not the same as full time jobs.

Bragging about seasonal jobs created is not job creation. It is a temporary bump in the economy.

1500 construction jobs????? I highly doubt that. Or is that over the entire length of the project, counting the plumbers, electricians, etc. that are contracted for a very short time for specific work.

600 high paying jobs?? Again the facts presented in the media dispute that. 100 at this large data center. So this would be 6 times larger??

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai-data-center-job-creation-48038b67?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqetw6-AqLpx1RRS8e0zaFLkA-WxT8jdGTYMQf9HDCWujFWUY-109zQV&gaa_ts=69c73f31&gaa_sig=zizRtmw8V84EtJvsMAMIntC4rSRHriRiEPRZHn26-yNUj2yFWFdMq8h0B6f3ksFB9cd8_4QLywBQUgs32zXaiQ%3D%3D


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93dnnxewdvo


But again I guess the media is wrong and lying about these facts……..


Even if it is 100 people how many of those will be from the current city population? Probably none. Or a few (the custodial staff).

So if you have facts please present them and explain how all the stories out there are wrong and why the media keeps presenting wrong facts on data center s

whiterock said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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So much spin and word salad.

Meanwhile, the data centers kill more and more jobs, pollute water, steal power and prove a pestilence on Humanity.

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Pure Luddite argument.

They kill jobs the way Henry Ford killed jobs.

They use a lot of water but do not pollute water. They are the cleanest industrial operation imaginable. Closed system cooling systems emit water vapor….distilled water. Then they relentlessly treat the remaining water to prevent concentrations of compound already in the water. Solids are appropriately disposed.

They do not "steal power." They use available power, which is in short supply due to decades of increasingly irresponsible energy policy. And going forward, they are going to have to generate their own power. Most of them are planning to bring more power generation capacity than they need and add to the grid (to build goodwill with public, electeds, regulators). So they are the furthest thing from an energy problem. They are THE solution to years of irresponsible energy policy.

They are only a pestilence to the extent the internet is a pestilence adding no value to humanity.

Quit listening to misinformation.

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Then provide evidence that disputes the story above in this thread about the data center pollution

Congrats, Texas! We are now number 1 in data center subsidies… While constituents get crushed with skyrocketing property taxes. Thanks, @GregAbbott_TX pic.twitter.com/BwDlwl2ImT

— Merissa Hansen (@merissahansen17) March 27, 2026