“Why weren’t these camps evacuated?” Kerrville, Texas, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly. pic.twitter.com/hUmKSLavzz

— 𝙹𝚞𝚕𝚎𝚜 ☕️ 𝙳𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚛©️ (@JulesDiner) July 4, 2025

Mitch Blood Green said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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boognish_bear said:

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“Why weren’t these camps evacuated?” Kerrville, Texas, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly. pic.twitter.com/hUmKSLavzz

— 𝙹𝚞𝚕𝚎𝚜 ☕️ 𝙳𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚛©️ (@JulesDiner) July 4, 2025

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Ugh, pretty terrible display by the media guy drilling the judge as if he hid info that could have saved everyone.

A reasonable question for later, as there will be a time to investigate and find fault (if any exists) and to better prepare. Just not sure that was the appropriate time for it to be asked in that manner. But I get it, feelings are raw right now, and I don't blame anyone one bit for feeling helpless.

Our nation's heart breaks for the victims in Texas and their families. Just an incomprehensible tragedy.

I hope everyone affected knows they're in the prayers of my family, and of millions of Americans.

***Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord,
and let perpetual light shine…

— JD Vance (@JDVance) July 5, 2025

I've read that 2 of the deaths are confirmed campers - just 8 and 9 years old. Just heartbreaking.

Heart O' the Hills camp shared that their director, Jane Ragsdale, died in the floods in a tribute post on their website

Latest death toll is 27: 18 adults and 9 children

This one hits home. Dick Eastland, the owner of Camp Mystic, died trying to save a number of the girls. He's an awesome Christian dude who I've been fortunate enough to assist over the years, and he sacrificed his life trying to save these girls. Such a tragedy.

I hear one of the owners of the camp next door - I believe Heart of the Hills - lost her life doing to the same thing.

Horrible. God be with them and those poor little girls.

It's really bad here in the Austin area as well. I hear several people right around the corner in Georgetown also got swept away on the San Gabriel.

Jack Bauer said:

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Heart O' the Hills camp shared that their director, Jane Ragsdale, died in the floods in a tribute post on their website

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My daughter attended HOTH for a number of summers. Jane was an amazing woman who cared for all of those girls deeply. My daughter still received a handwritten birthday card from her every year even after she stopped attending.

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Not sure what rivef they are speaking of, but 22'?

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"River rose 22 feet at night in under 3 hours. Over 5 1/2" of rain."

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I saw a report that in one area it rose nearly 30 feet in 45 minutes.

People were in their RVs, cabins, houses, etc. when they realized water was getting close, hitting the sides, or coming in and it was too late.

Saw where one family saw the water coming up but by the time they got to the car the road was blocked and they drove through a field to higher ground and then ran along a road.

Incredible videos of Texas flood. The height it reached in minutes…shit.

4 videos:
1) the initial wall of water
2) 15 minutes after wall; Tree sucked under bridge
3) 25 minutes after wall; flood at bridge level
4) 30 minutes after wall; floating House hits bridge. pic.twitter.com/sFtbN82ptU

— Aontacht (@humerus6cents) July 5, 2025

Camp LaJunta, where I went as a kid, maybe 10 yoa, was pretty decimated. They showed photos of it with the cabins floating away.

⚠️Alright, time to perk up and pay attention in Austin.

Storms are stalling over Travis county and becoming more expansive with 3-6"/hr rainfall rates. Significant flooding possible soon. Backbuilding occurring to the northwest. STAY AWAY FROM FLOODED ROADS pic.twitter.com/GS1JiBxOnY

— Avery Tomasco (@averytomascowx) July 5, 2025

New video out of Georgetown shows the San Gabriel River reaching the bottom of the now closed Austin Avenue Bridge

The river will crest sometime in the next couple of hours deep into major flood stage. Video courtesy of Bryan Picerni #atxwx #txwx pic.twitter.com/ptZOJulXl2

— Avery Tomasco (@averytomascowx) July 5, 2025

4 more inches of rain last night. More coming. We live on Geronimo Creek. Strangely enough, it has not come out of its banks. Not yet anyway.

27 kids still missing. Just heart wrenching!!!

Once we have found all the missing and taken care of those who have lost so much, the next questions are clear.

How much contact did TDEM have with locals & were there any prep on the ground with thousands of campers settling in for a long holiday weekend.

— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) July 5, 2025

🚨#URGENT: San Gabriel River in Georgetown, TX, is flooding after 15” of rain overnight! 📹 Video from Mark Champ shows the river roaring, with forecasts predicting a crest of 25-30 ft above the dry riverbed today. Flood gauge is down, but major flooding is expected. Evacuations… pic.twitter.com/E6DZtCj8u9

— Globe Alerts (@Globe_Alerts) July 5, 2025

Mitch Blood Green said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Didn't blame anyone. Just stated a fact. You're free to believe it would have happened with or without the old level of forecasters.

I expect a butch looking lesbian will be the reason for the inaccurate forecast.

Reading back on the long history of floods on the Guadalupe: Camps were heavily damaged over July 4, 1932, but no campers were lost. Officials were grateful that it came by day and not in the middle of the night. pic.twitter.com/sv2ioKQaza

— Bud Kennedy / #ReadLocal (@BudKennedy) July 5, 2025

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Right, 2002. New Braunfels also had a major flash flood in 1972, although my family was not living in Texas at the time.

The Hill Country experienced other floods over the years, not always on the Guadalupe. I remember one on the Medina River that threatened an old dam. I don't remember the results. There also was one in Wimberly. IIRC, San Marcos and Austin had some flooding, maybe all at the same time. That's the ones I recall.

This area of central Texas is sometimes known as Flash Flood Alley because of how oft we n it happens.

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2002 was the one that threatened the Medina Dam. I was there that day. I filmed this video of the Diversion Lake, below the Medina Dam.
Here is a copy of my video from a friend YouTube channel:



Here is what Diversion Lake Dam looks like under normal circumstances:



2002 was a big one.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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Kinda silly to try to blame this on Donald Trump and Elon Musk. All of our local (San Antonio) weather forecasters have been in place for years and are still there. The fact that the rains hit in the wee hours (midnight to 5:00 am) certainly did not help.

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Didn't blame anyone. Just stated a fact. You're free to believe it would have happened with or without the old level of forecasters.

I expect a butch looking lesbian will be the reason for the inaccurate forecast.

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It is kinda sad that the Climate Crazy agenda is being dismantled. If fully in place, we could have just flipped a switch and prevented all of this devastation.

As to the cuts, it's very strange as the National Weather Service was so bad for so many years before the cuts. The NWS that we gave billions to. The most accurate weather service has been long-timed family-owned and ad-based Accuweather who has a proprietary system for predicting the weather. Strange how that works. They are a corp now.

NWS is responsible for the deaths of thousands

https://eller.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/Econ-WP-23-02.pdf

Thanks for the reminder

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As to the cuts, it's very strange as the National Weather Service was so bad for so many years before the cuts. The NWS that we gave billions to. The most accurate weather service has been long-timed family-owned and ad-based Accuweather who has a proprietary system for predicting the weather. Strange how that works. They are a corp now.

NWS is responsible for the deaths of thousands

https://eller.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/Econ-WP-23-02.pdf

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For another pov, read The Coming Storm by Michael Lewis. If my memory is correct (it isn't always) Accuweather takes NWS data, repackages it, and charges a fee for the same information that NWS had. Congress forbade NWS to release that information to the public at large.
IOW, taxpayers paid for NWS information but NWS couldn't release it to the public; then Accuweather obtains the NWS forecasts and charges for it.
Anybody else read Coming Storm?

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Assassin said:

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As to the cuts, it's very strange as the National Weather Service was so bad for so many years before the cuts. The NWS that we gave billions to. The most accurate weather service has been long-timed family-owned and ad-based Accuweather who has a proprietary system for predicting the weather. Strange how that works. They are a corp now.

NWS is responsible for the deaths of thousands

https://eller.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/Econ-WP-23-02.pdf

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For another pov, read The Coming Storm by Michael Lewis. If my memory is correct (it isn't always) Accuweather takes NWS data, repackages it, and charges a fee for the same information that NWS had. Congress forbade NWS to release that information to the public at large.
IOW, taxpayers paid for NWS information but NWS couldn't release it to the public; then Accuweather obtains the NWS forecasts and charges for it.
Anybody else read Coming Storm?

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Actually Accuweather takes a ton of data from different sources and repackages it. That accumulation has led them to a much better prediction record than NWS. They tend to be more accurate than NWS.

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Camp LaJunta, where I went as a kid, maybe 10 yoa, was pretty decimated. They showed photos of it with the cabins floating away.

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#JUSTIN : 🚨🇺🇸2 brothers in Kerr County say they barely made it out alive after the Guadalupe River exploded overnight - sweeping away homes, cars, and nearly them.#Texas #flood #kerrville #alert #usa#CentralTexas #Texas #TexasFloods #FlashFlood #TexasWeather #TexasRain… https://t.co/TTUcQH2nlW pic.twitter.com/WtaJiFA17A

— Indian Observer (@ag_Journalist) July 5, 2025

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Assassin said:

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Camp LaJunta, where I went as a kid, maybe 10 yoa, was pretty decimated. They showed photos of it with the cabins floating away.

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#JUSTIN : 🚨🇺🇸2 brothers in Kerr County say they barely made it out alive after the Guadalupe River exploded overnight - sweeping away homes, cars, and nearly them.#Texas #flood #kerrville #alert #usa#CentralTexas #Texas #TexasFloods #FlashFlood #TexasWeather #TexasRain… https://t.co/TTUcQH2nlW pic.twitter.com/WtaJiFA17A

— Indian Observer (@ag_Journalist) July 5, 2025

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That second view is the one I saw earlier. It said that those houses were the ones at Camp LaJunta. I seem to remember them, but that was over half a century ago

Pics from camp Mystic

4 children from the camp have now been confirmed dead,

Assassin said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Assassin said:

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As to the cuts, it's very strange as the National Weather Service was so bad for so many years before the cuts. The NWS that we gave billions to. The most accurate weather service has been long-timed family-owned and ad-based Accuweather who has a proprietary system for predicting the weather. Strange how that works. They are a corp now.

NWS is responsible for the deaths of thousands

https://eller.arizona.edu/sites/default/files/Econ-WP-23-02.pdf

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For another pov, read The Coming Storm by Michael Lewis. If my memory is correct (it isn't always) Accuweather takes NWS data, repackages it, and charges a fee for the same information that NWS had. Congress forbade NWS to release that information to the public at large.
IOW, taxpayers paid for NWS information but NWS couldn't release it to the public; then Accuweather obtains the NWS forecasts and charges for it.
Anybody else read Coming Storm?

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Actually Accuweather takes a ton of data from different sources and repackages it. That accumulation has led them to a much better prediction record than NWS. They tend to be more accurate than NWS.

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I told you my memory isn't perfect and I don't think this is worth arguing about. I'll stand by my memory of Lewis' conclusions in The Coming Storm (an Audible Book Original).
NWS gathers the information, makes an interpretation of the data, Accuweather takes that data, releases it for a fee and makes a good living.

Here is the blurb from Audible on the book:
Tornadoes, cyclones, tsunamis…Weather can be deadlyespecially when it strikes without warning. Millions of Americans could soon find themselves at the mercy of violent weather if the public data behind lifesaving storm alerts gets privatized for personal gain. In his first Audible Original, New York Timesbest-selling author and journalist Michael Lewis delivers hard-hitting research on not-so-random weather dataand how Washington plans to release it. Most urgently, Lewis's narrative reveals the potential cost of putting a price tag on information that could save lives.

"Both the National Weather Service and AccuWeather warned of the threat of flash flooding hours before the worst of the storm's impacts. AccuWeather warned customers of 'imminent flash flooding' 30 minutes prior to the National Weather Service's Flash Flood Warning, which provided even more advance notice."

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2025/07/05/accuweather-sent-warnings-ahead-of-kerr-county-flooding-that-killed-at-least-27/

HILL COUNTRY FLOODS LATEST: At least 32 dead, 850+ rescued, 27 girls from Camp Mystic still missing, authorities say https://t.co/SYcF4i5pPk

— KSAT 12 (@ksatnews) July 5, 2025

Mitch Blood Green said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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This has just been awful to track. Earlier today reporters were already calling out the sheriff (if I remember correctly) of one of the counties for why there was no warning.

Was this the leftovers from the tropical storm last weekend that hit Mexico or a different storm system?

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Not sure what has happened to our weather forecasters. Most of the time they are spot on. On more than one occasion this year, a 10 percent chance of rain has resulted in a couple of inches of rain.

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They were severely cut by DOGE.

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So stupid. I am embarrassed for you.

🚨 BREAKING: The deathtoll from the Texas floods is now up to 32, including 14 children

This is absolutely devastating.

These poor families need every single prayer you can muster. Keep them in your thoughts and prayers. pic.twitter.com/FS4JBt0uPf

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) July 5, 2025

4 young adults from Kelly Catholic in Beaumont are also missing…

Amazing story:

BREAKING: @nicksortor's full interview with CNN about what's happening in Texas:

"Every minute that goes by, it looks more and more bleak here."

"The number of missing children has not gone down significantly, unfortunately. I believe we‘re at nine nine dead, still over 20… pic.twitter.com/ey7ltgTrcF

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) July 5, 2025