Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

STxBear81 said:

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

Is the Appalachian meth lab in the Caribbean or international waters on its way to USA ?
Why not have zero tolerance here also although we never will
I suppose your saying if it applies to these waters it applies within borders but I'm not arguing what anyone is dong in hillbilly ville they will be caught eventually

Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

ATL Bear said:

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STxBear81 said:

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

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They are not ideologues attacking the US. They are drug dealers breaking the law to make money. Terrorist attack to destroy based on a political ideal. Cartels sre not that. They are like the Mafia, did we go military on the Mafia? Even Bobby Kennedy didnt go that far.

Sorry dont meet definition. Create one with Congress, would be my move.

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

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They are not ideologues attacking the US. They are drug dealers breaking the law to make money. Terrorist attack to destroy based on a political ideal. Cartels sre not that. They are like the Mafia, did we go military on the Mafia? Even Bobby Kennedy didnt go that far.

Sorry dont meet definition. Create one with Congress, would be my move.

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Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against people or property to create fear and coerce a government, civilian population, or organization to further political, social, or ideological goals. Key components include a violent act, the goal of intimidating or coercing a population or government, and political or ideological objectives.

In Mexico Sheinbaum can't make a move without getting cartel approval, the people of Mexico are in terror. In every country in Central America, the same. In the USA, we are flooded with Fentanyl from Mexico and cocaine from Venezuela, Columbia and elsewhere. Strikes the fear of god in everyone associated with it, no matter how weak the link is, especially addicts. It's unlawful and threatens violence against people and property. It is the very definition of terrorism.

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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Man, you are spinning wildly out of control here. Trump is acting under clear statutory authority to interdict a major part of a state-sponsored problem that kills 6-digits of our fellow citizens every year, that creates significant regional instability in our own theater, and has established relationships with the three hostile powers, one of which has directly killed thousands of Americans.

FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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The only thing missing? Fishing gear...

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You were at sea. What does Maritime Law say? If they just go by you do you have the rights to stop them?

Also, what is in there? You can guess, but unless you board and search it is not provable. It is just a picture of containers.

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Please cite the provision of maritime law which prohibits kinetic strikes against designated terror groups operating in international waters.

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Your kidding right?

It is really a trick question.

You know that the US would not sign the Montego Bay Convention, even though we said we would honor it. What would it matter? Like the Budapest Memo and every other UN convention we don't like, we consider them non-binding.

As long as we can "smoke" the rest of the world, international law doesn't matter. So, make up whatever you want.

Well, the Hegseth issue is about to resolve itself. I predict a resignation and pardon quickly following. Maybe Trump will put an adult in that position that will work with Congress.

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Okay, then let us try it the other way since you couldn't answer his question . . . Which maritime law allows for the safe transportation of narcotics from terrorist organizations?

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no, you are right. that Is why it Is legal to stop and board. not blow them up, multiple times.

ok, everyone is just making this up as being a problem. The GOP Congressmen are really Dems in disguise. they need an AUMF and the going back and killing survivors is a war crime. that is common practice and part of both geneva convention and montego bay convention.

Lets see how this plays out to see who is right. Hegweth is done. he will be lucky to escape prosecution. this plus the signal f-up and mass firings. he is done. lets see if i am right or you are that it is nothing and totally legal.

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LOL. Buddy. I mean....... When will you learn? Allegations of illegality against Trump and his admin are so predictably proven to be BS that the default premise for any normal person should be to presume them to be a hoax and completely disregard them for at least 30 days.

So are you going to recommend THIS government official for prosecution, too, as an accessory to war crimes?
Pentagon asked admiral in charge of boat strikes operation to retire

"The ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Jim Himes (D-MA), said Thursday that Bradley's latest classified briefing showed there was never a "kill-them-all" order given regarding the strikes on suspected drug boats, and that those giving the orders "did the right thing.""

That's a Democrat elected citing testimony a military officer retiring over policy disagreements with the administration indicating that the strikes were lawful. Other media reports (cited here) have indicated that a Navy JAG officer watching live-action video gave prior approval for the second strike.

Come back to us.....first start to the right and straight ahead 'til morning.

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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STxBear81 said:

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

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They are not ideologues attacking the US. They are drug dealers breaking the law to make money. Terrorist attack to destroy based on a political ideal. Cartels sre not that. They are like the Mafia, did we go military on the Mafia? Even Bobby Kennedy didnt go that far.

Sorry dont meet definition. Create one with Congress, would be my move.

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Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against people or property to create fear and coerce a government, civilian population, or organization to further political, social, or ideological goals. Key components include a violent act, the goal of intimidating or coercing a population or government, and political or ideological objectives.

In Mexico Sheinbaum can't make a move without getting cartel approval, the people of Mexico are in terror. In every country in Central America, the same. In the USA, we are flooded with Fentanyl from Mexico and cocaine from Venezuela, Columbia and elsewhere. Strikes the fear of god in everyone associated with it, no matter how weak the link is, especially addicts. It's unlawful and threatens violence against people and property. It is the very definition of terrorism.

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Then the mafia is a terrorist organization.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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Man, you are spinning wildly out of control here. Trump is acting under clear statutory authority to interdict a major part of a state-sponsored problem that kills 6-digits of our fellow citizens every year, that creates significant regional instability in our own theater, and has established relationships with the three hostile powers, one of which has directly killed thousands of Americans.

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Got it, you disagree. Neither you nor I are in left field. There are conflicting views on it. Ot will play out and we will see where it lands. I will be the first to admit that your position is where the Trump Admin is living. Many in Congress disagree.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Assassin said:

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ATL Bear said:

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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Man, you are spinning wildly out of control here. Trump is acting under clear statutory authority to interdict a major part of a state-sponsored problem that kills 6-digits of our fellow citizens every year, that creates significant regional instability in our own theater, and has established relationships with the three hostile powers, one of which has directly killed thousands of Americans.

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n


Got it, you disagree. Neither you nor I are in left field. There are conflicting views on it. Ot will play out and we will see where it lands. I will be the first to admit that your position is where the Trump Admin is living. Many in Congress disagree.

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Here's how I see it:


The idea that we have to have a Declaration of War to do this kind of thing ended during the Korean War. Congress was never known for being accountable or genuinely responsible to the voters, no one should imagine these clowns are somehow going to stand for the American Way.

Next, we have seen illegal drugs destroy lives - both by directly killing people but also destroying the foundations of families and communities - for decades, and the bad guys have learned faster how to get away with it than the good guys have been able to stop it. The Narcos do not just infiltrate governments, they have taken control in several, including Mexico, and everyone knows it. This is a direct threat to the US.

Then there is foreign involvement, as China, Russia and all manner of bad guys see this as a way to damage, even destroy the US influence in South America. This also is a clear and present danger to the US.

The Bush, Obama and Biden Administrations have either blithely ignored this situation, or they were something worse. In any case, we are at a point when the available courses of action are either controversial or useless.

Thus our present condition.

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

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They are not ideologues attacking the US. They are drug dealers breaking the law to make money. Terrorist attack to destroy based on a political ideal. Cartels sre not that. They are like the Mafia, did we go military on the Mafia? Even Bobby Kennedy didnt go that far.

Sorry dont meet definition. Create one with Congress, would be my move.

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Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against people or property to create fear and coerce a government, civilian population, or organization to further political, social, or ideological goals. Key components include a violent act, the goal of intimidating or coercing a population or government, and political or ideological objectives.

In Mexico Sheinbaum can't make a move without getting cartel approval, the people of Mexico are in terror. In every country in Central America, the same. In the USA, we are flooded with Fentanyl from Mexico and cocaine from Venezuela, Columbia and elsewhere. Strikes the fear of god in everyone associated with it, no matter how weak the link is, especially addicts. It's unlawful and threatens violence against people and property. It is the very definition of terrorism.

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Then the mafia is a terrorist organization.

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Not unless the government says so. I dont think they can find enough of the Mafia any more to make a case. Now if we were back in the 70s, maybe so

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

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Spend approx 3 years volunteering in a homeless shelter, and witness first hand the horrible damage these drugs are doing to thousands of American families....and you might decide destroying meth labs isn't so crazy.

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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Common sense approach. Refreshing.

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Seems like commmon sense to blame the Americans that create the market. If Americans stopped using drugs there would be no market. If you get pulled over and get a DWI do you go kill the clerk in your local 7/11?

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

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Spend approx 3 years volunteering in a homeless shelter, and witness first hand the horrible damage these drugs are doing to thousands of American families....and you might decide destroying meth labs isn't so crazy.

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Good for you Kai. Worked Salvation Army several times. Lots of folks hurting.

On Dec. 4, at the direction of @SecWar Pete Hegseth, Joint Task Force Southern Spear conducted a lethal kinetic strike on a vessel in international waters operated by a Designated Terrorist Organization. Intelligence confirmed that the vessel was carrying illicit narcotics and… pic.twitter.com/pqksvxM3HP

— U.S. Southern Command (@Southcom) December 4, 2025

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

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Spend approx 3 years volunteering in a homeless shelter, and witness first hand the horrible damage these drugs are doing to thousands of American families....and you might decide destroying meth labs isn't so crazy.

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Good for you Kai. Worked Salvation Army several times. Lots of folks hurting.

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Was a real eye opener.

Especially when you would see little kids living with their mother on the streets.

Or veterans living in their car. Old women covered in lice.

Drugs were the single biggest issue by far.

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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Umm no.

There are almost 250 years of history to prove you wrong.

From our first president through the current one. Military action has been used often without a declaration of war.

Congress has even passed laws about it setting limits on how long it can be done before approval is needed (but still not declaration of war).

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

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They are not ideologues attacking the US. They are drug dealers breaking the law to make money. Terrorist attack to destroy based on a political ideal. Cartels sre not that. They are like the Mafia, did we go military on the Mafia? Even Bobby Kennedy didnt go that far.

Sorry dont meet definition. Create one with Congress, would be my move.

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Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against people or property to create fear and coerce a government, civilian population, or organization to further political, social, or ideological goals. Key components include a violent act, the goal of intimidating or coercing a population or government, and political or ideological objectives.

In Mexico Sheinbaum can't make a move without getting cartel approval, the people of Mexico are in terror. In every country in Central America, the same. In the USA, we are flooded with Fentanyl from Mexico and cocaine from Venezuela, Columbia and elsewhere. Strikes the fear of god in everyone associated with it, no matter how weak the link is, especially addicts. It's unlawful and threatens violence against people and property. It is the very definition of terrorism.

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Then the mafia is a terrorist organization.

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Is it not? Can anyone living in their "territory" be free from fear of them? Will those in business that happens to compete with them be safe at home?

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STxBear81 said:

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

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Spend approx 3 years volunteering in a homeless shelter, and witness first hand the horrible damage these drugs are doing to thousands of American families....and you might decide destroying meth labs isn't so crazy.

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Good for you Kai. Worked Salvation Army several times. Lots of folks hurting.

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Was a real eye opener.

Especially when you would see little kids living with their mother on the streets.

Or veterans living in their car. Old women covered in lice.

Drugs were the single biggest issue by far.

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A fried young mind is often a violent young mind. At best, a fried young mind is a lost in space young mind.

Need to avoid fried young minds as much as possible.

Well that sounds apocalyptic

Maduro will give WMD to Hezbollah, which will use it to attack the US. Or at the very least, it's possible, and we don't want the smoking gun proof to be in the form of a mushroom cloud over the US. Best to act now and eliminate the risk:pic.twitter.com/AgL3WNLgC5

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 4, 2025

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ATL Bear said:

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STxBear81 said:

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

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Spend approx 3 years volunteering in a homeless shelter, and witness first hand the horrible damage these drugs are doing to thousands of American families....and you might decide destroying meth labs isn't so crazy.

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Good for you Kai. Worked Salvation Army several times. Lots of folks hurting.

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Was a real eye opener.

Especially when you would see little kids living with their mother on the streets.

Or veterans living in their car. Old women covered in lice.

Drugs were the single biggest issue by far.

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A fried young mind is often a violent young mind. At best, a fried young mind is a lost in space young mind.

Need to avoid fried young minds as much as possible.

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There are now so many drug fried minds….its very difficult to avoid them all.

Especially the ones behind the wheel.

Biden said back then that we should strike the "narco-terrorists." Now Democratic Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut says there's no such thing as a narco-terrorist." https://t.co/netvK9Z0kR

— Brit Hume (@brithume) December 4, 2025

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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STxBear81 said:

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No reason to extend the timeline of allowing drugs into the USA
If you don't want to be bombed don't traffic drugs

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You going to drone a trap house or an Appalachian meth lab too?

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Absolutely a method lab.

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Appreciate the honesty, even if that's a crazy idea.

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Spend approx 3 years volunteering in a homeless shelter, and witness first hand the horrible damage these drugs are doing to thousands of American families....and you might decide destroying meth labs isn't so crazy.

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Good for you Kai. Worked Salvation Army several times. Lots of folks hurting.

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Was a real eye opener.

Especially when you would see little kids living with their mother on the streets.

Or veterans living in their car. Old women covered in lice.

Drugs were the single biggest issue by far.

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A fried young mind is often a violent young mind. At best, a fried young mind is a lost in space young mind.

Need to avoid fried young minds as much as possible.

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There are now so many drug fried minds….its very difficult to avoid them all.

Especially the ones behind the wheel.

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I meant not allowing any more fried young minds as much as possible.

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Did we all acknowledge how Trump has made the LWNJs made heroes out of:
- Human traffickers
- Child rapists
- Groomers
- Terrorists
- Fentanyl dealers

Amazing way to build support.

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- uncle fred

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{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

Go Bears!!

.. oh, and, WAR.

- uncle fred

D!

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The largest terror funding network in the world is now the American drug user.

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And how would you fix that? A War on Drugs? Cause that's what Trump is actually doing. Everything else has been tried.

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We aren't even doing a "War on Drugs". We're using the human tragedy of fentanyl to attack a failing state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade in order to establish a friendly regime and get access to oil. I wonder if there has been another situation where human tragedy was used to manufacture a case around deadly chemicals to depose a rogue regime and expand energy resources, and how did it go?

And do you know what we do with terror financing already under the Patriot Act and EO 13224? That would make a users life more difficult for sure.

The real solutions require either a trimming of individual rights and freedom, or a trimming of moral outrage. I prefer the latter despite my disdain for it as a solution.

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Fentanyl doesn't come out of Venezuela. It is cocaine we are dealing with from what I've read. As for the rest of your post, we simply disagree. I say, let's use common sense. Blow these guys out of the water and put the fear of God into all the cartels. This is happening in international waters. Make it so. This is truly America's War on Drugs. Finally

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Then why the secrecy? Why is Congress saying Biden gave them more info? We cant have a war on drugs by one branch with the other two in the dark. Someone said, why haven't they defunded them if they didnt approve? You really want to get to that point?

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Not sure why we would need other branches of Dept of War right now. Everything can be taken care of by the US Navy. Why are you thinking we should bring them in?

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Only Congress can declare War. Using military is war. This BS deeming them a terror organization
is a BS move to get around reporting to Congress. That is what has people upset, not attacking drug runners. But, you are the President and SecDef axt like it and give a **** about the Constitution...

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You don't think the Cartels are terrorist organizations? What's your basis for that?

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They are not ideologues attacking the US. They are drug dealers breaking the law to make money. Terrorist attack to destroy based on a political ideal. Cartels sre not that. They are like the Mafia, did we go military on the Mafia? Even Bobby Kennedy didnt go that far.

Sorry dont meet definition. Create one with Congress, would be my move.

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Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against people or property to create fear and coerce a government, civilian population, or organization to further political, social, or ideological goals. Key components include a violent act, the goal of intimidating or coercing a population or government, and political or ideological objectives.

In Mexico Sheinbaum can't make a move without getting cartel approval, the people of Mexico are in terror. In every country in Central America, the same. In the USA, we are flooded with Fentanyl from Mexico and cocaine from Venezuela, Columbia and elsewhere. Strikes the fear of god in everyone associated with it, no matter how weak the link is, especially addicts. It's unlawful and threatens violence against people and property. It is the very definition of terrorism.

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Then the mafia is a terrorist organization.

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Is it not? Can anyone living in their "territory" be free from fear of them? Will those in business that happens to compete with them be safe at home?

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We are misdirecting the conversation. It is not that anyone wants to protect cartels, traffickers or the mob. The topic that needs discussion is how do you do it? Do we use the military? If so, does Exec Branch get Carte Blanche? Does Congress have oversight? Where does HSA and law enforcement fit?

These are bigger issues than blowing up a boat.