Are you comfortable with the drug strikes?

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Mitch Blood Green
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

boognish_bear said:



Does the article say WHY he is stepping down?

The fact that he is stepping down could easily be unrelated to any actions against drug cartels.

What does the article say and, better yet, what does he say?


I read he and Hegseth were butting heads. He's 60. 37 years. Sometimes, you've done your time.
Realitybites
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Mitch Blood Green said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says


An asymmetric war must be fought asymmetrically.

Particularly since large sections of our for profit legal system will side with the cartels, illegals, mules, dealers, etc against America's citizens.

As much as I am 100% opposed to our unwarranted meddling in places like Ukraine, if a banana republic gets taken over by a dictator who decides his foreign policy is going to be turning a blind eye to sending fentanyl to poison Americans...nuke and pave.
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william said:


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VENEZUELA Feds say Smartmatic bribed Venezuela's top election official with luxury home By Antonio Mara Delgado Updated August 4, 2025 7:46 PM

Smartmatic co-founder Roger Piñate faces bribery and money laundering charges related to contracts obtained in the Philippines. Smartmatic

Federal prosecutors in South Florida allege that Venezuelan-American tech executive Roger Piñate co-founder of the voting technology company Smartmatic secretly bribed Venezuela's longtime elections chief, Tibisay Lucena Ramrez, by transferring control of a luxury residence in Caracas to her in exchange for political favors. The alleged bribe, according to prosecutors, was intended to help Smartmatic secure Lucena's help in a commercial dispute with the Venezuela government, following the company's August 2017 accusation that the Nicols Maduro regime committed fraud in the National Constituent Assembly electiona claim that led Smartmatic to cease operations in the country.

The bribe allegation, detailed in new court filing, is expected to be used by Miami federal prosecutors as evidence against Piñate, who is charged with multiple counts of money laundering and bribery related to contracts in the Philippines. The U.S. government plans to present photographs, witness testimony, and encrypted text messages to demonstrate that Piñate, 49, orchestrated the transfer of an upper-middle-class home with a pool to Lucena Ramrez between April and July 2019. Prosecutors claim the house was offered as a bribe to secure favorable treatment from Lucena, who, as president of Venezuela's National Electoral Council wielded broad authority over the country's controversial voting system and its private vendors.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article311579664.html#storylink=cpy

correct. a factor in what's going on off the coast of Venezuela.

Have you seen this?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/09/dominion-voting-2020-election-sold-00600661

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

boognish_bear said:



Does the article say WHY he is stepping down?

The fact that he is stepping down could easily be unrelated to any actions against drug cartels.

What does the article say and, better yet, what does he say?


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5559461-admiral-alvin-holsey-retires-southcom/
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/16/top-admiral-retires-early-amid-drug-boat-strikes-00612357

He's had a long, successful career. He's been in this post for a year, so it is an early departure. And clearly he is a Biden appointee, so perhaps he is being forced out. But he's at the end of a 37 year career. Could be that he would rather retire now, at the beginning of what could be a 1-3 year operation against Venezuela rather than have to see it thru to the end. Could also be that he disagrees with admin policy and is quietly retiring rather than have to work a problem in a way he's uncomfortable with. That is an entirely honorable choice and I commend him for his service. Notably, Hegseth is facilitating a graceful exit, so it would not seem appropriate to describe it as a contentious separation.

Obama slashed all the hawks he could find out of the military. Did not hear much about Biden doing that, but there is a reason why Hegseth is talking about warrior culture. It is deficient on multiple levels. And it must be addressed forthwith. We are 24 months, give or take, from a possible Chinese move on Taiwan. Time to show fangs.

(reasonable people can disagree on whether warrior culture is a problem and whether or not China intends to move on Taiwan as well as what our response should be. But the fact that Trump admin is moving with such alacrity to get our armed forces ready for war, substantively as well as symbolically, is really not debatable.)
boognish_bear
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

boognish_bear said:



Does the article say WHY he is stepping down?

The fact that he is stepping down could easily be unrelated to any actions against drug cartels.

What does the article say and, better yet, what does he say?


I don't have a Wall Street Journal account so I'm not able to read the article. This is from Google's AI.

Realitybites
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Morehouse ROTC is not the typical launching point for a brilliant career in the military that advances to that level...except for the obvious reason.
KaiBear
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Realitybites said:

Morehouse ROTC is not the typical launching point for a brilliant career in the military that advances to that level...except for the obvious reason.

Beat me to it.

Not common for a ROTC to reach 4 star rank in the Navy.

In any case I have a feeling Trump is clearing the decks for war in our own hempishere.

william
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orange crush - redux:



Fickt nicht mit dem Raketenmensch
whiterock
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Documentary film crew caught up with Sam at work.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

KaiBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


What average citizen has a speed boat that is as fast as these and often "stealth"????

Mitch Blood Green
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cowboycwr said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

KaiBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


What average citizen has a speed boat that is as fast as these and often "stealth"????




O can't speak to boar speed.
boognish_bear
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boognish_bear
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Good luck with that chief

Realitybites
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If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.


Honestly? Disrupting the supply chain by shooting all the drug dealers in a 20 mile radius would be far more effective. If your grandson is a drug user/addict, your attempts at reasoning will fall on deaf ears. This is why progressivism always fails. It thinks education, reason, and the Socratic method is a cure for a character flaw. In the parable of the prodigal son, there is nothing that his father could have said to him that would have brought about the desired change.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU
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So between trying to solve the problem at home or punish the supply chain worker's you choice is to kill everyone that may be supplying illegal drugs?

Ok. We disagree. I think education, understanding the causes etc etc. Is important. The problem with killing suspected drug transporters is another always pops up.

I don't think i am a progressive but say what you will.
KaiBear
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boognish_bear said:

Good luck with that chief




Dude blatantly stole his last election and his country's winner of the Peace Prize just dedicated her award to Trump for his efforts regarding the dictatorship.

He better focus on finding a safe place to retire with his drug money .

Time is getting very short.

Realitybites
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What you fail to understand is that a drug addict is much further beyond the threshhold that education, reason, and exhortation can reach than an alcoholic...and it's a foundation of treatment for alcoholism that the alcoholic must own it.

"For treatment to be successful, an alcoholic must first acknowledge and fully concede to their innermost self that they are an alcoholic, as this recognition is the foundational step in recovery. This involves shattering the delusion that they are like other people or could one day regain control over their drinking, a persistent illusion that has led many into deeper despair or even death. The realization that alcoholics have lost the ability to control their drinking and that no real alcoholic ever recovers control is central to the process. This admission is not merely intellectual but requires a deep personal acceptance of being powerless over alcohol, which is essential before any effective recovery can begin. Without this self-awareness, attempts to stop drinking through willpower or other methods are doomed to fail, as the alcoholic's condition is described as a progressive illness that worsens over time."

You can try. But it is going to fall on deaf ears.

Afghanistan's drug treatment programs are much more successful than ours, and their foundation is interruption of supply.
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Realitybites said:

What you fail to understand is that a drug addict is much further beyond the threshhold that education, reason, and exhortation can reach than an alcoholic...and it's a foundation of treatment for alcoholism that the alcoholic must own it.

"For treatment to be successful, an alcoholic must first acknowledge and fully concede to their innermost self that they are an alcoholic, as this recognition is the foundational step in recovery. This involves shattering the delusion that they are like other people or could one day regain control over their drinking, a persistent illusion that has led many into deeper despair or even death. The realization that alcoholics have lost the ability to control their drinking and that no real alcoholic ever recovers control is central to the process. This admission is not merely intellectual but requires a deep personal acceptance of being powerless over alcohol, which is essential before any effective recovery can begin. Without this self-awareness, attempts to stop drinking through willpower or other methods are doomed to fail, as the alcoholic's condition is described as a progressive illness that worsens over time."

You can try. But it is going to fall on deaf ears.


He knows.

Just doesn't care.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU
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Thank you aggie.
ScottS
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Sam Lowry said:

Responses are vintage MAGA. Der Leader can never have too much power.


Sam,
You are MAGA and you know it.
LIB,MR BEARS
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ScottS said:

Sam Lowry said:

Responses are vintage MAGA. Der Leader can never have too much power.


Sam,
You are MAGA and you know it.


Don Jr's parity account
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Mitch Blood Green said:

cowboycwr said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

KaiBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


What average citizen has a speed boat that is as fast as these and often "stealth"????




O can't speak to boar speed.


The answer is zero.
FLBear5630
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boognish_bear said:



Well, this is not earth shattering news. The Trump Admin and many on this board believe they have the authority to do pretty much anything they want.
boognish_bear
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LIB,MR BEARS
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boognish_bear said:




Because to do so brings into question whether this is a military act or a law enforcement act.

boognish_bear
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KaiBear
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Of course those that want fentanyl legal …so it will be more accessible ……are not happy in sinking this load of death
LIB,MR BEARS
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KaiBear said:

Of course those that want fentanyl legal …so it will be more accessible are not happy in sinking this load of death

Hey Siri, is it dangerous to eat fentanyl laced grouper?
LIB,MR BEARS
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

So between trying to solve the problem at home or punish the supply chain worker's you choice is to kill everyone that may be supplying illegal drugs?

Ok. We disagree. I think education, understanding the causes etc etc. Is important. The problem with killing suspected drug transporters is another always pops up.

I don't think i am a progressive but say what you will.


Who says you can't do both?
KaiBear
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

So between trying to solve the problem at home or punish the supply chain worker's you choice is to kill everyone that may be supplying illegal drugs?

Ok. We disagree. I think education, understanding the causes etc etc. Is important. The problem with killing suspected drug transporters is another always pops up.

I don't think i am a progressive but say what you will.


Who says you can't do both?


Those that want fentanyl legal.
Harrison Bergeron
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I know this will be ignored as it requires specifics and reason, but what is the case to oppose it?
LIB,MR BEARS
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Harrison Bergeron said:

I know this will be ignored as it requires specifics and reason, but what is the case to oppose it?


Honest answer: we are accustomed to lies from the CIA, lies from the executive branch, a politicized DOD/DOW.

I understand this is a different administration but, I'd like to see the evidence. I'm good with seeing the evidence after the fact assuming it is there.

Regardless of who is in the executive branch, I no longer will give the government a blank check from my "trust" account.
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



Well, this is not earth shattering news. The Trump Admin and many on this board believe they have the authority to do pretty much anything they want.


Is this what you said during drone strikes on terrorists or bombing missions against terrorists for the last 20 years?

I mean how did we "know" those people in those caves or buildings were terrorists????
ATL Bear
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Venezuela has nothing to do with fentanyl. Venezuela doesn't produce much if any cocaine or meth. Most drug flow comes through the Pacific and the Mexican and Canadian border as well as our major ports. Aceing some Venezuelan speed boats might be a flex on the Maduro administration, but unless the plan is to start bombing inside Mexico, Colombia, Bolivia, or Peru, or taking out Chinese container ships, this is just another faux "tough on cartels" exercise, while making little impact to actual supply. What happens when they start launching their boats from El Salvador or Yucatan? Better yet, why aren't we already taking out the hundreds that are coming in from a multitude of other countries? That's the real question beyond just the legal and geopolitical considerations of the Venezuelan targets.

Maybe we can trim some more of the constitution off and start treating drugs in this country like Singapore or Saudi Arabia. You can't argue with the results. Me? I'll take the moral hazards and risks of freedom instead of the autocracy of security.
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KaiBear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

So between trying to solve the problem at home or punish the supply chain worker's you choice is to kill everyone that may be supplying illegal drugs?

Ok. We disagree. I think education, understanding the causes etc etc. Is important. The problem with killing suspected drug transporters is another always pops up.

I don't think i am a progressive but say what you will.


Who says you can't do both?


Those that want fentanyl legal.


Fentanyl injection is used to relieve severe pain during and after surgery. It is also used with other medicines just before or during an operation to help the anesthetic (numbing medicine) work better. Fentanyl belongs to the group of medicines called opioid analgesics (pain medicines).


It is a legal controlled substance.
 
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