Minneapolis ICE shooting

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The_barBEARian
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Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.
Wangchung
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We know leftists lie constantly, but this situation is a prime example of how little integrity they possess. With all the video we see available of the shooting, it's easy to spot the corrupt media and lying commenters. Just like the Rittenhouse trial.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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The_barBEARian said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.
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Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.

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Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.


Pointless deflection


You grew up sheltered; never spent any significant time with the 3rd world culture

( Cancun does not count )

But your ego is far too huge to accept just how dead wrong you are.

If your dumb ***** had been elected president these felons would not have been rounded up. Millions more would have been brought in.

And the US would be in the same situation as England and France……even worse.
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Ive tried to not click every article, but I've seen the officer's cell phone footage now. I think he was a little amped up. Ready for a confrontation. Probably should not have been 1 of the 3 to approach the car.

But she did straight up hit him. You cannot do that. She was verbally threatening then hit him with her car. It was a situation entirely created by her.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? It's almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.

MSM and democrat politicians are inspiring protest.
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Porteroso said:

Ive tried to not click every article, but I've seen the officer's cell phone footage now. I think he was a little amped up. Ready for a confrontation. Probably should not have been 1 of the 3 to approach the car.

But she did straight up hit him. You cannot do that. She was verbally threatening then hit him with her car. It was a situation entirely created by her.

likely a well meaning lady - just pissed away her life and her kids are now motherless - b/c of abject mass hysteria driven by weak men - walz and profanity mayor.

you're cool, dude. really.

drop some more F bombs.

get cooler.

- UF

D!

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william said:

Porteroso said:

Ive tried to not click every article, but I've seen the officer's cell phone footage now. I think he was a little amped up. Ready for a confrontation. Probably should not have been 1 of the 3 to approach the car.

But she did straight up hit him. You cannot do that. She was verbally threatening then hit him with her car. It was a situation entirely created by her.

likely a well meaning lady - just pissed away her life and her kids are now motherless - b/c of abject mass hysteria driven weak men - walz and profanity mayor.

your cool, dude. really.

drop some more F bombs.

get cooler.

- UF

D!



Likely well meaning is right. Ive seen enough zealotry to understand people who are political idiots are not general idiots. I love many political idiots all over the political spectrum. Tribalism turns decent ideas into zealotry. You have to be able to see that someone assaulting officers on Jan. 6, or this lady driving into a federal agent, is not a real threat except in these moments of bad decision making.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Porteroso said:

Ive tried to not click every article, but I've seen the officer's cell phone footage now. I think he was a little amped up. Ready for a confrontation. Probably should not have been 1 of the 3 to approach the car.

But she did straight up hit him. You cannot do that. She was verbally threatening then hit him with her car. It was a situation entirely created by her the MSM and democrat politicians


FIFY
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BaylorFTW
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Jack Bauer said:



These "mothers" have really misplaced priorities. The children deserve a lot better.
Waco1947
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Our vice president has explained that Renee Good was a "deranged leftist"; our president has explained that Renee Good "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer." The head of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, has explained that Renee Good had been "stalking and impeding" law enforcement officers throughout the day and that she tried to "weaponize her vehicle" by trying to run over one of them, adding that the ICE agent fired "defensive shots" at someone who appeared to be perpetrating "an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism."
In fairness, when questioned by CBS News, federal border czar Tom Homan was (at least initially) much more responsible: "The investigation has just started. I'm not gonna make a judgment call on one video when there's a hundred videos out there.… It'd be unprofessional to comment on what I think happened in that situation. Let the investigation play out and hold people accountable based on the investigation.… What good is it to do right now to prejudge the facts of what happened without giving law enforcement professionals, whether it's the FBI or the local police there, give them time to look at all the videos, talk to all of the witnesses, talk to the officers, and make an educated decision on what occurred today?"
To expand on Homan's point, here is the way it is supposed to work: The facts are supposed to drive our beliefs and our actions. That is, first, we perceive facts; second, because of what we perceive, we then form beliefs and decide on actions.
But it doesn't always work that way. I wish the facts were always in the saddle. Instead, as Cass Sunstein recently wrote, our beliefs and actions are often driven by "the immense power of narrative, and in particular the immense power of narratives in constitutional and political life." Sunstein was describing the way that narratives drive Supreme Court jurisprudence, but his point has broader application.
I have many "friends" on social media who are eager to contribute to, or shape, the narrative of Renee Good's death. It is a conversational maelstrom. One might describe it as an argument over what conclusions we might draw from the evidence we have. One might describe it more accurately as an argument between many people, where everyone wants, very badly, the narrative they describe to be true. This is so whether that narrative describes (for instance) a good cop defending himself from a murderous driver who deserved to be punished for her refusal to submit to lawful authority or (for instance) a woman fleeing from masked gunmen who assaulted her and then shot at her repeatedly through the side window of her car.
Many of the participants in this many-sided argument do not seem to be letting facts determine their account of things; instead, it appears that they start with a narrative and then hunt for facts and theories that support it. (Some of them do, anyway: when Secretary Noem decries the violence directed against ICE officers and then explains that publicly videotaping their work is one such species of violence, I worry that she believes that citizens who want to make a record of what they see in public should be discouraged from doing so.) In short, Cass Sunstein has identified something important here: the propagation of narratives is a central part of political life.
So what should we say about what really happened? Perhaps the wisest course, at this point, is to exercise a bit of humility." Dan Greenberg, Cato Institue
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Frank, Ludwig and Waco owe this board a sincere apology, followed by a month or longer self-imposed exile.

That they won't do so speaks to their surrender to political hate.
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Waco1947 said:

Our vice president has explained that Renee Good was a "deranged leftist"; our president has explained that Renee Good "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer." The head of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, has explained that Renee Good had been "stalking and impeding" law enforcement officers throughout the day and that she tried to "weaponize her vehicle" by trying to run over one of them, adding that the ICE agent fired "defensive shots" at someone who appeared to be perpetrating "an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism."
In fairness, when questioned by CBS News, federal border czar Tom Homan was (at least initially) much more responsible: "The investigation has just started. I'm not gonna make a judgment call on one video when there's a hundred videos out there.… It'd be unprofessional to comment on what I think happened in that situation. Let the investigation play out and hold people accountable based on the investigation.… What good is it to do right now to prejudge the facts of what happened without giving law enforcement professionals, whether it's the FBI or the local police there, give them time to look at all the videos, talk to all of the witnesses, talk to the officers, and make an educated decision on what occurred today?"
To expand on Homan's point, here is the way it is supposed to work: The facts are supposed to drive our beliefs and our actions. That is, first, we perceive facts; second, because of what we perceive, we then form beliefs and decide on actions.
But it doesn't always work that way. I wish the facts were always in the saddle. Instead, as Cass Sunstein recently wrote, our beliefs and actions are often driven by "the immense power of narrative, and in particular the immense power of narratives in constitutional and political life." Sunstein was describing the way that narratives drive Supreme Court jurisprudence, but his point has broader application.
I have many "friends" on social media who are eager to contribute to, or shape, the narrative of Renee Good's death. It is a conversational maelstrom. One might describe it as an argument over what conclusions we might draw from the evidence we have. One might describe it more accurately as an argument between many people, where everyone wants, very badly, the narrative they describe to be true. This is so whether that narrative describes (for instance) a good cop defending himself from a murderous driver who deserved to be punished for her refusal to submit to lawful authority or (for instance) a woman fleeing from masked gunmen who assaulted her and then shot at her repeatedly through the side window of her car.
Many of the participants in this many-sided argument do not seem to be letting facts determine their account of things; instead, it appears that they start with a narrative and then hunt for facts and theories that support it. (Some of them do, anyway: when Secretary Noem decries the violence directed against ICE officers and then explains that publicly videotaping their work is one such species of violence, I worry that she believes that citizens who want to make a record of what they see in public should be discouraged from doing so.) In short, Cass Sunstein has identified something important here: the propagation of narratives is a central part of political life.
So what should we say about what really happened? Perhaps the wisest course, at this point, is to exercise a bit of humility." Dan Greenberg, Cato Institue
Nah, we can see the videos. You leftists aren't blaming Trump, you aren't kumbayah-ing your way out of this. It is YOUR rhetoric that is causing people in YOUR OWN PARTY to commit terrorism and violence. No one to blame but your evil selves.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Waco1947 said:

Our vice president has explained that Renee Good was a "deranged leftist"; our president has explained that Renee Good "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer." The head of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, has explained that Renee Good had been "stalking and impeding" law enforcement officers throughout the day and that she tried to "weaponize her vehicle" by trying to run over one of them, adding that the ICE agent fired "defensive shots" at someone who appeared to be perpetrating "an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism."
In fairness, when questioned by CBS News, federal border czar Tom Homan was (at least initially) much more responsible: "The investigation has just started. I'm not gonna make a judgment call on one video when there's a hundred videos out there.… It'd be unprofessional to comment on what I think happened in that situation. Let the investigation play out and hold people accountable based on the investigation.… What good is it to do right now to prejudge the facts of what happened without giving law enforcement professionals, whether it's the FBI or the local police there, give them time to look at all the videos, talk to all of the witnesses, talk to the officers, and make an educated decision on what occurred today?"
To expand on Homan's point, here is the way it is supposed to work: The facts are supposed to drive our beliefs and our actions. That is, first, we perceive facts; second, because of what we perceive, we then form beliefs and decide on actions.
But it doesn't always work that way. I wish the facts were always in the saddle. Instead, as Cass Sunstein recently wrote, our beliefs and actions are often driven by "the immense power of narrative, and in particular the immense power of narratives in constitutional and political life." Sunstein was describing the way that narratives drive Supreme Court jurisprudence, but his point has broader application.
I have many "friends" on social media who are eager to contribute to, or shape, the narrative of Renee Good's death. It is a conversational maelstrom. One might describe it as an argument over what conclusions we might draw from the evidence we have. One might describe it more accurately as an argument between many people, where everyone wants, very badly, the narrative they describe to be true. This is so whether that narrative describes (for instance) a good cop defending himself from a murderous driver who deserved to be punished for her refusal to submit to lawful authority or (for instance) a woman fleeing from masked gunmen who assaulted her and then shot at her repeatedly through the side window of her car.
Many of the participants in this many-sided argument do not seem to be letting facts determine their account of things; instead, it appears that they start with a narrative and then hunt for facts and theories that support it. (Some of them do, anyway: when Secretary Noem decries the violence directed against ICE officers and then explains that publicly videotaping their work is one such species of violence, I worry that she believes that citizens who want to make a record of what they see in public should be discouraged from doing so.) In short, Cass Sunstein has identified something important here: the propagation of narratives is a central part of political life.
So what should we say about what really happened? Perhaps the wisest course, at this point, is to exercise a bit of humility." Dan Greenberg, Cato Institue


You didn't watch the video in the post above yours, I take it. Protesters can video all they want. They just can't get in the way, or be an imminent concern for safety if an arrest gets ugly.
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Simple rules to live by to avoid getting shot by police.

Realitybites
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You're the next contestant on Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes!



Galvin only shows up for the gay issues, he's here because she was a lesbian.

Harrison Bergeron
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You guys keeps arguing with these rheghards. They literally were making fun of Ashli Babbitt's death 24 Hours before they transitioned to outrage about the ice dyke.
BaylorFTW
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Here, is also another aspect not already discussed on this issue where Adam Corolla speaks to the changed aggressive behavior in women in such situations:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1FxYBAhN8T/

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Frank Galvin said:

Bruisers Burner Phone said:

This is a terrible situation, and a tragedy. There's nothing to celebrate about anyone being killed in a law enforcement situation. But the job of law enforcement is really, really difficult already without agitators opposing them. The sheer irresponsibility of the elected officials in these towns in openly encouraging citizens to engage physically in opposition to officers is mind-boggling and the results are sadly very predictable.

That pesky First Amendment does allow freedom of assembly and expression. Deeply ironic that all the freedom lovers want to take away those freedoms.


I am not certain if courts have ever ruled on this, but freedom of assembly and expression probably does not include driving a multi-ton vehicle at someone.
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KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.


Pointless deflection


You grew up sheltered; never spent any significant time with the 3rd world culture

( Cancun does not count )

But your ego is far too huge to accept just how dead wrong you are.

If your dumb ***** had been elected president these felons would not have been rounded up. Millions more would have been brought in.

And the US would be in the same situation as England and France……even worse.


Your certitude about my life is like your certidude about everything else. Also dead wrong like you are everywhere else.
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It's a tragic thing that many college educated women have lost perspective about what violence is…and what it means to go out seeking it in the real world


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I'm sure this will help improve the situation…

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BUDOS
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" Good. Get the f out of their way and deport all the mf illegals"

That sort of statement sounds like something the Native Americans wished they had done to us.
LIB,MR BEARS
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BUDOS said:

" Good. Get the f out of their way and deport all the mf illegals"

That sort of statement sounds like something the Native Americans wished they had done to us.


They were too busy doing it to each other to notice.
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!!!CONFIRMATION!!!

Frank Galvin is NOT a sock for Scott Jennings



BaylorFTW
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BUDOS said:

" Good. Get the f out of their way and deport all the mf illegals"

That sort of statement sounds like something the Native Americans wished they had done to us.

So then we should learn from the Indian tribes' regret and deport all illegal immigrants.
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Remember when the left starts to vilify the ICE officers and Kristi Noem and some even here calling them names, this is what they are actually doing:

LIB,MR BEARS
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BaylorFTW said:

Remember when the left starts to vilify the ICE officers and Kristi Noem and some even here calling them names, this is what they are actually doing:




PS…please give Pam Bondi the courage to prosecute somebody, anybody.
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Frank Galvin said:

KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.


Pointless deflection


You grew up sheltered; never spent any significant time with the 3rd world culture

( Cancun does not count )

But your ego is far too huge to accept just how dead wrong you are.

If your dumb ***** had been elected president these felons would not have been rounded up. Millions more would have been brought in.

And the US would be in the same situation as England and France……even worse.


Your certitude about my life is like your certidude about everything else. Also dead wrong like you are everywhere else.




Attending Baylor as an undergrad and SMU afterwards is as sheltered as it gets in the Great State of Texas.

Resulting in minimal experience with 3rd world realities. Clever enough to be a successful attorney, suspect your social circle is just as sheltered and insulated.

Would require a significant amount of confidence to admit your boy Biden's open border policies were horribly misguided.

And that Trump ( narcissistic as he clearly is ) is removing an expensive/ dangerous element from our country.

Hell you might even lose your social standing at the country club.

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Millions of illegals were allowed into the country the past few years, including many criminals and gang members.
A new Administration had the voter mandate to remove the illegals beginning with the criminals and gang members.
The radical leftist groups recruited and trained the indoctrinated on methods to disrupt ICE operations. They also paid a group to be professional rioters, causing mayhem around the country.
Progressive elected politicians stoked the flames of confrontation with their inciteful rhetoric, calling ICE Agents and other federal law enforcement Nazis, tyrants, dictators and the gestapo. They refused to allow their local police to cooperate with ICE Agents in carrying out their enforcement of laws passed by Congress. One of the main issues in this regard is their refusal to hand over illegals in city jails to ICE Agents with retainers. Rather than turn them over, they release these criminals and illegals back onto the street where they have to be hunted down in neighborhoods by ICE which becomes a much more dangerous situation for all concerned.
As to the recent situation where the woman was shot by the ICE Agent, just think if the local police had worked in conjunction with ICE in their operation. They would have had patrolmen on the streets and this deceased woman who was following agents all morning and blocking the streets as they were leaving areas, would have been either arrested by local police for interfering with police actions or at the least prevented from blocking the streets in Minneapolis. Thus her life would have been saved. One could conclude that the local politicians and police refusal to cooperate with federal authorities was a major factor in the loss of the woman's life.

I would recommend that the Justice Department state that the inflammatory language by elected officials which causes criminal activity and/or the refusal of elected officials to work with federal law enforcement or to hamper federal law enforcement, will be prosecuted as a seditious act. Something has to stop this hatred of ICE and other agents simply doing their job as these elected officials call them Nazis, Gestapo, tyrants to turn citizens against them.
Next follow the money and find out who is funding these leftist groups training the indoctrinated radicals to break laws to prevent ICE and other agents from carrying out their duties and which places them at such risk.
Nearly all folks used to believe that everyone had to follow the law. We need to return to those days and things will be fine. Furthermore, lives will not be lost needlessly.
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KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

KaiBear said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

canoso said:

Frank Galvin said:

The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

I had to read this like 4 times to try and understand it. Can you virtue signal to yourself?







This post should be pinned to the top of this thread.

This is what ICE has to put up with.

I wouldnt blame them one bit for putting some of these freaks 6ft under.

I agree that it should have been pinned to the top of the thread. It is a great example of good policing. if the agents who advanced on the victim;s car had follewed that example, there wouldn't be a thread.

If the non-victim's car hadn't even been there, there wouldn't be a thread.

Two things can be true.

Without a doubt. However, inasmuch as the driver was not a victim, but rather, having herself decided to be at the scene and disobey the orders of a lawful authority, brought upon herself what happened, only one of these two particular things is true.

Deciding to be on the scene should not be a problem. The scene was a public road. She made a mistake in not obeying the order, but people who make mistakes are not excluded from being victims. The shooter made a mistake being in front of the car. The officer giving orders made a mistake in the qay he addressed the driver. They all made mistakes and they are all victims, although the dirver suffered by far the worst consequence.

Why is it so hard to see that the ICE tactics are inspiring protest and making their job harder to do? Its almost like their leadership wants confrontation; almost as if they view half of Americans as enemies. As if it is really about theater and less about finding the ciminals who are an actual danger to us.


Frank, I recommend you just stay out of ICE's way and let them handle these foreign invaders as they see fit.

You'll be safer, happier, and your family and future descendants will be more prosperous.

For a bunch of people who were outraged that the government was telling them what to do during the pandemic, y'all have become pretty docile.


Pointless deflection


You grew up sheltered; never spent any significant time with the 3rd world culture

( Cancun does not count )

But your ego is far too huge to accept just how dead wrong you are.

If your dumb ***** had been elected president these felons would not have been rounded up. Millions more would have been brought in.

And the US would be in the same situation as England and France……even worse.


Your certitude about my life is like your certidude about everything else. Also dead wrong like you are everywhere else.




Attending Baylor as an undergrad and SMU afterwards is as sheltered as it gets in the Great State of Texas.




Frank knows the mean streets of the Park cities and Waco from the courthouse to Pat Neff hall
 
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