BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Mothra said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:BUDOS said:
Perhaps he had a more serious and important moment, and probably realized he would get vitriolic feedback from guys he often agreed with. Perhaps.
Which is interesting as some of you have enough self respect to not be blindly loyal. However, I realize that I am not privy to the inner workings of those who continue to appear to be TrumPublicans or Trump sympathizers, so I could be wrong again.
I am truly curious as to his/her motivations, if he/she is willing to share them.
Sam's lies aside, I am not MAGA, as you well know, and disagree with Trump on a lot of things (in fact, the irony here is Sam calls me MAGA, while numerous posters have accused me of having TDS). While I disagree with sitting out an election cycle, I can at least understand the reason.
But I also find it pretty damn near impossible to fathom any actual conservative voting for Harris. Even more impossible for me to fathom is a self-described conservative saying he/she is excited to vote AOC/Newsom over whomever the Repubs nominate in 2028.
Thus, my questions. Essentially, I am calling bull**** on his/her narrative.
You're scared enough of AOC that you'd vote for Nick Fuentes. Some people are scared enough of Trump that they'd vote for AOC or Newsom...who, for the record, are not open admirers of Hitler and Stalin. On balance I'd say you're the one who has some explaining to do.
I'd submit AOC and Newsom are huge fans of Stalin, even if they don't openly admit it. But the good news is, I don't have to choose between your hypothetical.
Yes, I realize some people think Trumps is worse than AOC/Newsom. As I suggested above, those people, like yourself, aren't really conservatives.
BTW, you still haven't answered MY question. String up the ICE officer now, or wait for Due Process?
Of course he should receive due process, even if Pretti didn't. We can still have opinions based on the available evidence. We've heard from FLBear, Jack Bauer, Forest Bueller, ATLBear, and other conservatives whom I may not always agree with but who are decent people. What about you?
Again, scroll up. Asked and answered above. I will repost:
"I think anyone who is found guilty of cold-blooded murder by a jury of his peers should spend the rest of his or her life in jail.
"But I am also a big fan of the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments, you know, those pesky little amendments that ensure a person's right to a fair trial, the right to counsel, and due process."
I will add that of the angles I've seen, I recently saw a video in which it looks like one of the officers disarmed Pretti (though it's a bit difficult to tell, and I am not sure whether the gun was the officer's or Pretti's). At first glance, it does seem to me the force employed by the officer was excessive, and the shooting was unnecessary.
But I thought the same thing about Renee Good, only to see the officer who was hit by her vehicle's bodycam, and realize that she hit him pretty damn hard (apparently enough to cause internal bleeding) and certainly he was likely justified in fearing for his life. I am also not in the officer's shoes, and don't know what he saw and what was going through his mind.
You accused this particular officer of "cold-blooded murder," and when I think of that phrase, I think of a murder that is premeditated and deliberate. Hard to say whether that was the case here. Might have been murder 2 or manslaughter, depending on what the officer saw and felt. I know given the number of threats and assaults they've experienced, I am sure it is disconcerting dealing with these loons. Pretti had been blocking the street and was therefore engaged in illegal acts at the time of the incident. Doesn't make it right to use deadly force, of course, but it might mean it isn't "cold-blooded murder."
I appreciate your post. Harry and his ilk rely on disinformation to keep the propaganda going. It's amazing how one can have no morals and care more about division and power than facts.
Sam has been on the wrong side of history for years. He has a long history on this board of openly advocating for tyrants and despots (see Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Hamas), while blaming America and conservatives in particular for the world's ills. Pretty despicable behavior, but as you alluded to, his morals (or lack thereof) are very different from most conservatives and Christians.
I've gotten to the point with him where I no longer consider him a fellow Christian, but just another lost soul who needs to find Jesus.
Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:BUDOS said:
Perhaps he had a more serious and important moment, and probably realized he would get vitriolic feedback from guys he often agreed with. Perhaps.
Which is interesting as some of you have enough self respect to not be blindly loyal. However, I realize that I am not privy to the inner workings of those who continue to appear to be TrumPublicans or Trump sympathizers, so I could be wrong again.
I am truly curious as to his/her motivations, if he/she is willing to share them.
Sam's lies aside, I am not MAGA, as you well know, and disagree with Trump on a lot of things (in fact, the irony here is Sam calls me MAGA, while numerous posters have accused me of having TDS). While I disagree with sitting out an election cycle, I can at least understand the reason.
But I also find it pretty damn near impossible to fathom any actual conservative voting for Harris. Even more impossible for me to fathom is a self-described conservative saying he/she is excited to vote AOC/Newsom over whomever the Repubs nominate in 2028.
Thus, my questions. Essentially, I am calling bull**** on his/her narrative.
You're scared enough of AOC that you'd vote for Nick Fuentes. Some people are scared enough of Trump that they'd vote for AOC or Newsom...who, for the record, are not open admirers of Hitler and Stalin. On balance I'd say you're the one who has some explaining to do.
I'd submit AOC and Newsom are huge fans of Stalin, even if they don't openly admit it. But the good news is, I don't have to choose between your hypothetical.
Yes, I realize some people think Trumps is worse than AOC/Newsom. As I suggested above, those people, like yourself, aren't really conservatives.
BTW, you still haven't answered MY question. String up the ICE officer now, or wait for Due Process?
Of course he should receive due process, even if Pretti didn't. We can still have opinions based on the available evidence. We've heard from FLBear, Jack Bauer, Forest Bueller, ATLBear, and other conservatives whom I may not always agree with but who are decent people. What about you?
Again, scroll up. Asked and answered above. I will repost:
"I think anyone who is found guilty of cold-blooded murder by a jury of his peers should spend the rest of his or her life in jail.
"But I am also a big fan of the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments, you know, those pesky little amendments that ensure a person's right to a fair trial, the right to counsel, and due process."
I will add that of the angles I've seen, I recently saw a video in which it looks like one of the officers disarmed Pretti (though it's a bit difficult to tell, and I am not sure whether the gun was the officer's or Pretti's). At first glance, it does seem to me the force employed by the officer was excessive, and the shooting was unnecessary.
But I thought the same thing about Renee Good, only to see the officer who was hit by her vehicle's bodycam, and realize that she hit him pretty damn hard (apparently enough to cause internal bleeding) and certainly he was likely justified in fearing for his life. I am also not in the officer's shoes, and don't know what he saw and what was going through his mind.
You accused this particular officer of "cold-blooded murder," and when I think of that phrase, I think of a murder that is premeditated and deliberate. Hard to say whether that was the case here. Might have been murder 2 or manslaughter, depending on what the officer saw and felt. I know given the number of threats and assaults they've experienced, I am sure it is disconcerting dealing with these loons. Pretti had been blocking the street and was therefore engaged in illegal acts at the time of the incident. Doesn't make it right to use deadly force, of course, but it might mean it isn't "cold-blooded murder."
I appreciate your post. Harry and his ilk rely on disinformation to keep the propaganda going. It's amazing how one can have no morals and care more about division and power than facts.
Sam has been on the wrong side of history for years. He has a long history on this board of openly advocating for tyrants and despots (see Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Hamas), while blaming America and conservatives in particular for the world's ills. Pretty despicable behavior, but as you alluded to, his morals (or lack thereof) are very different from most conservatives and Christians.
I've gotten to the point with him where I no longer consider him a fellow Christian, but just another lost soul who needs to find Jesus.
Such drama. I can't say it means much from one who has supported torture, extrajudicial killing, and countless other immoral policies over the years.
Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:BUDOS said:
Perhaps he had a more serious and important moment, and probably realized he would get vitriolic feedback from guys he often agreed with. Perhaps.
Which is interesting as some of you have enough self respect to not be blindly loyal. However, I realize that I am not privy to the inner workings of those who continue to appear to be TrumPublicans or Trump sympathizers, so I could be wrong again.
I am truly curious as to his/her motivations, if he/she is willing to share them.
Sam's lies aside, I am not MAGA, as you well know, and disagree with Trump on a lot of things (in fact, the irony here is Sam calls me MAGA, while numerous posters have accused me of having TDS). While I disagree with sitting out an election cycle, I can at least understand the reason.
But I also find it pretty damn near impossible to fathom any actual conservative voting for Harris. Even more impossible for me to fathom is a self-described conservative saying he/she is excited to vote AOC/Newsom over whomever the Repubs nominate in 2028.
Thus, my questions. Essentially, I am calling bull**** on his/her narrative.
You're scared enough of AOC that you'd vote for Nick Fuentes. Some people are scared enough of Trump that they'd vote for AOC or Newsom...who, for the record, are not open admirers of Hitler and Stalin. On balance I'd say you're the one who has some explaining to do.
I'd submit AOC and Newsom are huge fans of Stalin, even if they don't openly admit it. But the good news is, I don't have to choose between your hypothetical.
Yes, I realize some people think Trumps is worse than AOC/Newsom. As I suggested above, those people, like yourself, aren't really conservatives.
BTW, you still haven't answered MY question. String up the ICE officer now, or wait for Due Process?
Of course he should receive due process, even if Pretti didn't. We can still have opinions based on the available evidence. We've heard from FLBear, Jack Bauer, Forest Bueller, ATLBear, and other conservatives whom I may not always agree with but who are decent people. What about you?
Again, scroll up. Asked and answered above. I will repost:
"I think anyone who is found guilty of cold-blooded murder by a jury of his peers should spend the rest of his or her life in jail.
"But I am also a big fan of the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments, you know, those pesky little amendments that ensure a person's right to a fair trial, the right to counsel, and due process."
I will add that of the angles I've seen, I recently saw a video in which it looks like one of the officers disarmed Pretti (though it's a bit difficult to tell, and I am not sure whether the gun was the officer's or Pretti's). At first glance, it does seem to me the force employed by the officer was excessive, and the shooting was unnecessary.
But I thought the same thing about Renee Good, only to see the officer who was hit by her vehicle's bodycam, and realize that she hit him pretty damn hard (apparently enough to cause internal bleeding) and certainly he was likely justified in fearing for his life. I am also not in the officer's shoes, and don't know what he saw and what was going through his mind.
You accused this particular officer of "cold-blooded murder," and when I think of that phrase, I think of a murder that is premeditated and deliberate. Hard to say whether that was the case here. Might have been murder 2 or manslaughter, depending on what the officer saw and felt. I know given the number of threats and assaults they've experienced, I am sure it is disconcerting dealing with these loons. Pretti had been blocking the street and was therefore engaged in illegal acts at the time of the incident. Doesn't make it right to use deadly force, of course, but it might mean it isn't "cold-blooded murder."
I appreciate your post. Harry and his ilk rely on disinformation to keep the propaganda going. It's amazing how one can have no morals and care more about division and power than facts.
Sam has been on the wrong side of history for years. He has a long history on this board of openly advocating for tyrants and despots (see Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Hamas), while blaming America and conservatives in particular for the world's ills. Pretty despicable behavior, but as you alluded to, his morals (or lack thereof) are very different from most conservatives and Christians.
I've gotten to the point with him where I no longer consider him a fellow Christian, but just another lost soul who needs to find Jesus.
Such drama. I can't say it means much from one who has supported torture, extrajudicial killing, and countless other immoral policies over the years.
Why don't you be more specific.
Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Mothra said:BUDOS said:
Perhaps he had a more serious and important moment, and probably realized he would get vitriolic feedback from guys he often agreed with. Perhaps.
Which is interesting as some of you have enough self respect to not be blindly loyal. However, I realize that I am not privy to the inner workings of those who continue to appear to be TrumPublicans or Trump sympathizers, so I could be wrong again.
I am truly curious as to his/her motivations, if he/she is willing to share them.
Sam's lies aside, I am not MAGA, as you well know, and disagree with Trump on a lot of things (in fact, the irony here is Sam calls me MAGA, while numerous posters have accused me of having TDS). While I disagree with sitting out an election cycle, I can at least understand the reason.
But I also find it pretty damn near impossible to fathom any actual conservative voting for Harris. Even more impossible for me to fathom is a self-described conservative saying he/she is excited to vote AOC/Newsom over whomever the Repubs nominate in 2028.
Thus, my questions. Essentially, I am calling bull**** on his/her narrative.
You're scared enough of AOC that you'd vote for Nick Fuentes. Some people are scared enough of Trump that they'd vote for AOC or Newsom...who, for the record, are not open admirers of Hitler and Stalin. On balance I'd say you're the one who has some explaining to do.
I'd submit AOC and Newsom are huge fans of Stalin, even if they don't openly admit it. But the good news is, I don't have to choose between your hypothetical.
Yes, I realize some people think Trumps is worse than AOC/Newsom. As I suggested above, those people, like yourself, aren't really conservatives.
BTW, you still haven't answered MY question. String up the ICE officer now, or wait for Due Process?
Of course he should receive due process, even if Pretti didn't. We can still have opinions based on the available evidence. We've heard from FLBear, Jack Bauer, Forest Bueller, ATLBear, and other conservatives whom I may not always agree with but who are decent people. What about you?
Again, scroll up. Asked and answered above. I will repost:
"I think anyone who is found guilty of cold-blooded murder by a jury of his peers should spend the rest of his or her life in jail.
"But I am also a big fan of the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments, you know, those pesky little amendments that ensure a person's right to a fair trial, the right to counsel, and due process."
I will add that of the angles I've seen, I recently saw a video in which it looks like one of the officers disarmed Pretti (though it's a bit difficult to tell, and I am not sure whether the gun was the officer's or Pretti's). At first glance, it does seem to me the force employed by the officer was excessive, and the shooting was unnecessary.
But I thought the same thing about Renee Good, only to see the officer who was hit by her vehicle's bodycam, and realize that she hit him pretty damn hard (apparently enough to cause internal bleeding) and certainly he was likely justified in fearing for his life. I am also not in the officer's shoes, and don't know what he saw and what was going through his mind.
You accused this particular officer of "cold-blooded murder," and when I think of that phrase, I think of a murder that is premeditated and deliberate. Hard to say whether that was the case here. Might have been murder 2 or manslaughter, depending on what the officer saw and felt. I know given the number of threats and assaults they've experienced, I am sure it is disconcerting dealing with these loons. Pretti had been blocking the street and was therefore engaged in illegal acts at the time of the incident. Doesn't make it right to use deadly force, of course, but it might mean it isn't "cold-blooded murder."
I appreciate your post. Harry and his ilk rely on disinformation to keep the propaganda going. It's amazing how one can have no morals and care more about division and power than facts.
Sam has been on the wrong side of history for years. He has a long history on this board of openly advocating for tyrants and despots (see Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Hamas), while blaming America and conservatives in particular for the world's ills. Pretty despicable behavior, but as you alluded to, his morals (or lack thereof) are very different from most conservatives and Christians.
I've gotten to the point with him where I no longer consider him a fellow Christian, but just another lost soul who needs to find Jesus.
Such drama. I can't say it means much from one who has supported torture, extrajudicial killing, and countless other immoral policies over the years.
Why don't you be more specific.
Because I got nothing.
FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
Well, Trump has decided this is going to be his hill... What is going on in MN is not immigration anymore but muti-billion-dollar, terrorist-funding fraud, it is about breaking the will of radical militias funded by globalist billionaires and foreign governments.
Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
STxBear81 said:
The way I see it is inn2020 the Dems were funding the fires and could care less what the Soros backed groups did as long as it made peublicans or Trump look bad
Now the Dems are not in charge but their encouragement of these militias to do the same to unseat what Trump admin is trying to do ( kick out illegal criminals in MN ) is drawing violence
Why in the world would any sane person be in the middle of opposition to
The federal govt right now ?
STxBear81 said:
The way I see it is inn2020 the Dems were funding the fires and could care less what the Soros backed groups did as long as it made peublicans or Trump look bad
Now the Dems are not in charge but their encouragement of these militias to do the same to unseat what Trump admin is trying to do ( kick out illegal criminals in MN ) is drawing violence
Why in the world would any sane person be in the middle of opposition to
The federal govt right now ?
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
Homan is reinforcement. He is the decision maker who is now on the ground. Democrats in Congress, and a couple rinos, might be threatening things but they are irrelevant because they are ALWAYS making threats. No one who voted for Trump is angry that he is doing exactly what he campaigned to do. Only the dumbest people are trying to claim Republicans are mad at Trump for doing exactly what he said he would while fighting off violent democrats, again.FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
No, sadly no I haven't... Wish I was.
You really think Homan was sent to MN as an "attaboy"? Congress is starting to threaten funding. We have a Government shutdown looming. Trump said everything was being investigated. Trump is not stupid, he is not dyng in this ditch...
Do you keep track of anything off this Board?
whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:Harrison Bergeron said:whiterock said:The AGs of DC, IL, CT, DE, HI, MD, MA, MI, MN, NV, NJ, NY, OR, PA, RI, VT, and WA argued in 2024 that there's no 2A right to carry guns at "events involving political speech, like political rallies and protests" because they are "often targets of violence" https://t.co/471u7bqPEi pic.twitter.com/bN5KHgMf4e
— Rob Romano (@2Aupdates) January 25, 2026
Hilarious. The positive of social media is we're not dependent on the oligarchs to tell us what to believe.
We have a governor and a mayor summoning open resistance to thwart arrests of criminal illegal aliens subject to deportation orders, and somehow the resulting riots are simultaneously bad policy badly executed, even though deportation of criminal illegal aliens was the issue that decided the the 2024 election, and no other state is seeing a MN-style riot problem.
I think the admin and ICE are doing better than satisfactory.
That is outright disgusting. Makes it seem killing Americans is a sign of progress.
confirmed. you have no sense of humor whatsoever.
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
No, sadly no I haven't... Wish I was.
You really think Homan was sent to MN as an "attaboy"? Congress is starting to threaten funding. We have a Government shutdown looming. Trump said everything was being investigated. Trump is not stupid, he is not dyng in this ditch...
Do you keep track of anything off this Board?
Homan is reinforcement. He is the decision maker who is now on the ground. Democrats in Congress, and a couple rinos, might be threatening things but they are irrelevant because they are ALWAYS making threats. No one who voted for Trump is angry that he is doing exactly what he campaigned to do. Only the dumbest people are trying to claim Republicans are mad at Trump for doing exactly what he said he would while fighting off violent democrats, again.
Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Wangchung said:Homan is reinforcement. He is the decision maker who is now on the ground. Democrats in Congress, and a couple rinos, might be threatening things but they are irrelevant because they are ALWAYS making threats. No one who voted for Trump is angry that he is doing exactly what he campaigned to do. Only the dumbest people are trying to claim Republicans are mad at Trump for doing exactly what he said he would while fighting off violent democrats, again.FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
No, sadly no I haven't... Wish I was.
You really think Homan was sent to MN as an "attaboy"? Congress is starting to threaten funding. We have a Government shutdown looming. Trump said everything was being investigated. Trump is not stupid, he is not dyng in this ditch...
Do you keep track of anything off this Board?
Porteroso said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Then he has to stay in power. He has to keep the House and the Senate past midterms. You don't do that shooting protesters in the Street with masked Agents in tactical gear.
Sending Homan is the right move. Trump now made the first move by sending him. Trump is admitting it was poorly handled. Smart.
Walz now needs to cooperate and open the jails to the Feds.
Homan will give on tactics and work more with local police support.
Walz will tell Frey to order the Police to work with them.
Both save face, both make their points and ICE keeps finding people. Trump bugles how he listened.
The NEXT thing you will see is ICE NOT going to Maine next. Collins is too exposed. She is a pain, but she is a GOP pain...
Or, I am totally wrong...
Yes, you're totally wrong. Homan wasn't sent in as an admission of error by Trump. That's ****ing crazy **** you've imagined or were told by someone who imagined it. Not sure you realize it but you've been saying for years that everything Trump says and does is going to cost republicans power. (You Arne the only one) Yet they've only gotten more powerful. You've been wrong on almost every single issue you've tried to speak on. It's all boils down to this; would ICE's legal and lawful tactics work without democrats impeding and attacking them? The answer is unequivocally yes.
No, sadly no I haven't... Wish I was.
You really think Homan was sent to MN as an "attaboy"? Congress is starting to threaten funding. We have a Government shutdown looming. Trump said everything was being investigated. Trump is not stupid, he is not dyng in this ditch...
Do you keep track of anything off this Board?
Homan is reinforcement. He is the decision maker who is now on the ground. Democrats in Congress, and a couple rinos, might be threatening things but they are irrelevant because they are ALWAYS making threats. No one who voted for Trump is angry that he is doing exactly what he campaigned to do. Only the dumbest people are trying to claim Republicans are mad at Trump for doing exactly what he said he would while fighting off violent democrats, again.
Polling shows you are wrong. Republicans are not with Trump on this, like they were 10 months ago.
I will go out on a limb and say many want to see illegals deported criminals off the streets, but don't view American deaths as necessary to achieve these goals.
You can easily justify 3 of the 4 killings, and that is a very good error rate, but we seem to be heading towards more violence. Americans don't want that.
Incorrect. There is no reason to give your conspiracies any credence. You (the left) simply do not have the credibility to levy any such charges. You've been proven to be liars far too often when it comes to Orange Man Bad, but especially when it comes to Orange Man Bad's Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents following the same laws and procedures as they always have. Your outrage is fake. Manufactured to gin up support for democrats come midterms. You cannot think or reason for yourself. It's sad.Sam Lowry said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Wangchung said:FLBear5630 said:Mothra said:FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:FLBear5630 said:BearFan33 said:
There is a revolt going on in Minn. It is organized and well funded. Top state officials are participating.
The left brought in hordes of poor uneducated people to construct economic and voter fraud schemes. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was to gain and maintain power.
Trump administration is dismantling that model and they are willing to send people to die to maintain it.
Brings up a good point and a worthy discussion area.
Givens-
Illegal activity is wrong and needs to be prosecuted.
Illegal aliens need to be removed and not given benefits.
MN should allow ICE access to the Jails.
We all agree on these points.
Problem Statements-
What level of say should States have in how they operate?
If MN wants to be more socialist, do they have that right?
Can they direct Federal dollars coming to MN as they see fit, even if it is not what the Executive Branch wants?
What level of say does a State have?
I am a very strong federalist. We have a fantastic, frankly genius system that should accommodate the great diversity of the U.S.
In our framework, there are a few things clearly enumerated to the federal government such as national defense and immigration enforcement.
So in my opinion, the answer to all of your problem statements is "yes."
However, as usual everything Democrats are made about today, they started. It is the Democrats - not the Republicans - with a long history of anti-federalist executive orders and laws seeking to undermine the federalist powers of the states; it was not until Trump overturned a lot of what they did that suddenly Democrats re-discovered federalism.
If you look at history, virtually every divisive issue and question from political to cultural was started by Democrats for good or bad. It's just they fit they throw when Republicans play by their rules that is hypocritically annoying.
You are correct, the situation in Minneapolis is clearly driven by:
1. State and local officials refusal to cooperate with ICE
2. Organized, well funded militias sent to disrupt and distract in the face of the huge fraud scandal
That is why this hysteria is isolated to one city.
There is no them and us... Like it or not, we are all Americans.
While we are indeed Americans, the divide in this country clearly demonstrates there is a them and us.
That is where you are wrong, there can't be. A consensus has to be reached. Maybe Trump is pushing for one and this is his way of cutting a deal.
The only thing worst than a consensus is one side destroying the other, it is about 50%/50%... All this makes us weaker.
The fact that you think it's even speaks volumes about your own bias.
Bias? That all Americans are entitled to their opinions and one group destroying the other is bad?
So, your bias is to bring half the population to their knees and destroy contrary political thought?
Yeah, which one is more in line with our Founding Principles...
But, it does fit your Authoritarian leanings...
Democrats literally coerced social media platforms to silence conservatives. Democrats literally tried to keep Trump off of ballots. Democrats literally sent the iRS to investigate conservative groups and freeze their funding indefinitely. Democrats literally doxx anyone they disagree with and try to ruin their lives if not kill them and their family members. Democrats are rioting, almost every day. Democrats are fighting with law enforcement every day. You have this idiotic fantasy that just SAYING it's both sides makes it so, but by all metrics is the left that is the problem. You aren't in the middle, you're way on the left, you just realize the left has no moral ground to stand on so you pretend you're in the middle so you can attack the right with impunity. It's glaringly obvious to everyone.
Do you want Trump to continue his policies?
Absolutely. The policies work fine. The ONLY problem is when democrats attack law enforcement while law enforcement is legally following those policies and long established laws that precede Trump.
Unfortunately, given Trump's words and actions in the last year, there is no reason to assume that. You can't claim the right to ignore the law and also claim the presumption that you're acting lawfully.
