ICE kills another Protest in MN

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Wangchung
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FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.
We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

FLBear5630
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Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.
Wangchung
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FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.
He wore his gun for them to see while committing a crime. That's brandishing in addition to his crimes of violence towards federal agents. Again, only a moron thinks arming yourself and attacking law enforcement would end in any other way.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

KaiBear
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Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.
We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.


Even most low IQ types really do not believe such a ridiculous position .

Suspect it is primarily those who have far too much time on their hands.
FLBear5630
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KaiBear said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.


Even most low IQ types really do not believe such a ridiculous position .

Suspect it is primarily those who have far too much time on their hands.

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Yogi
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Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

Unless it's an IRS agent.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
Forest Bueller III
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FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.
FLBear5630
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

Homan's response is rational and reasonable. He gave and got. With this crowd that seems to be viewed as a weakness. Collins also got them to reduce the ME operation.
Yogi
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This is a refreshing read, born of common sense and sympathy and not distorted by politics, religion, or a combination of both.

At the end of the day, we're all God's children. We're all human. We are all born, we live, and then we die. Some of us die earlier than others. Some of us have been through tragedies you can't even imagine, and then some of you have been through some that you wish you could.

I seem to fall along the same lines as you. I try to give the benefit of the doubt to law enforcement because I do not envy their job, and they should be able to defend themselves. But, in the age of less lethal options, such as tasers, etc., and the number of law enforcement agents around the guy, I am not sure the agents were ever prompted to take the ultimate option. He did have a firearm, though, he was being belligerent, and we're dealing with a series of events that took place in less than 30 seconds. I believe the authorities will review this tragedy, and hopefully, we find a better way to deal with this kind of insurgency from our fellow citizens in the future.

I pray for him and his family. And, I pray that our citizens protest in more effective, peaceful ways. Let our political leaders fight their own civil war. Don't get caught up in it. If we do, they'll make all of us fight their wars for them and not for our benefit - but for theirs.

And these days, you really don't know what your fellow man is thinking. That "progressive" on the street probably cares for people seeking asylum here. It's the leaders who want to exploit immigrants for political and economic greed. I hope we could all find a middle ground where immigration is well regulated but a pathway to legal status or even citizenship can be attainable within a reasonable period of time for someone who wants to be an American and contribute to our society.



"Smarter than the Average Bear."
KaiBear
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.


My friend, life is often about comprehending the odds and then playing those odds in a rational manner.

And what we 'deserve' rarely has much to do with anything.

The dude stupidly insisted on playing Russian roulette. Until finally he drew the one chamber with a bullet.
Forest Bueller III
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KaiBear said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.


My friend, life is often about comprehending the odds and then playing those odds in a rational manner.

And what we 'deserve' rarely has much to do with anything.

The dude stupidly insisted on playing Russian roulette. Until finally he drew the one chamber with a bullet.

I'm not disagreeing that his actions were risky and irresponsible. And he isn't the perfect guy like he was portrayed to be, he had some real issues with anger control and the things he was passionate about required a steady temperament and an even disposition.

That said he never "brandished" a gun, he had been unarmed by an officer, a kill was not a needed action. The way it was done, simply unloading their handguns into him. Also, an irresponsible and dangerous response. Others easily could have been hurt.

That said I see Pretti and the Officers as human beings. This was a case where he clearly didn't HAVE to be killed. Even though Pretti engaged in behavior that put him at risk.
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

Such a reasonable post. Cheers.
Porteroso
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There is no doubt the killing was an error. And no doubt for me that it was forced by all the antagonization.

There is an AP article glorifying the resistance. I was shocked to read it. There is a serious intellectual disconnect going on, where "journalists" will fail to mention that entering illegally is illegal. They act like the administration is justified in removing the criminal illegals, but the rest of the illegals are find to stay.

https://apnews.com/article/protests-activists-minnesota-immigration-enforcement-ice-f86ce49f26230a1e5ad1592dcac0a5a9
KaiBear
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Forest Bueller III said:

KaiBear said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.


My friend, life is often about comprehending the odds and then playing those odds in a rational manner.

And what we 'deserve' rarely has much to do with anything.

The dude stupidly insisted on playing Russian roulette. Until finally he drew the one chamber with a bullet.

I'm not disagreeing that his actions were risky and irresponsible. And he isn't the perfect guy like he was portrayed to be, he had some real issues with anger control and the things he was passionate about required a steady temperament and an even disposition.

That said he never "brandished" a gun, he had been unarmed by an officer, a kill was not a needed action. The way it was done, simply unloading their handguns into him. Also, an irresponsible and dangerous response. Others easily could have been hurt.

That said I see Pretti and the Officers as human beings. This was a case where he clearly didn't HAVE to be killed. Even though Pretti engaged in behavior that put him at risk.


Hind sight is always 20 / 20.

But to the guys on the front line of instantaneous violence they often only have a micro second to lose their own life….or save it.




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Porteroso said:

There is no doubt the killing was an error. And no doubt for me that it was forced by all the antagonization.

There is an AP article glorifying the resistance. I was shocked to read it. There is a serious intellectual disconnect going on, where "journalists" will fail to mention that entering illegally is illegal. They act like the administration is justified in removing the criminal illegals, but the rest of the illegals are find to stay.

https://apnews.com/article/protests-activists-minnesota-immigration-enforcement-ice-f86ce49f26230a1e5ad1592dcac0a5a9


I think difference is in tactics. Full masked tactical for criminals, no issue.

Admin deportations, just being here illegally, different.

I would love to see a path for those working and not criminal. Give them an option, make the choice theirs. Trump would create loyal voters working with them. Most would be relieved. If not, deport.
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Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

His weapon was taken from him while still holstered. If it discharged, it discharged in the hands of the Federal Agent. It was not Pertti having the weapon that caused the discharge. It was the officers tackling him and taking from his holster.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

That is what caused the problem, not that everyone didn't get on their knees and interlock their fingers on their head when addressing ICE to make sure they wouldn't be shot...
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FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.
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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.
ICE and CBP have only responded to escalations in violence from democrats and increases in the numbers of illegals. There is no right to impede federal agents from doing their jobs. It is absolutely necessary that ICE and CBP exist and do their jobs.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.

ICE and CBP have only responded to escalations in violence from democrats and increases in the numbers of illegals.

Sure, Jan.
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As a midwesterner, I believe it can be too cold to do some things. Protesting ICE is one of them. Hell, maurading the streets looking for illegal immigrants is another. If it were me, we'd go "Ralph and Sheep Dog" and punch out from November 15 until St Patrick's Day.

Ralph Wolf And Sam Sheepdog In "Winter Hungerland"
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.

ICE and CBP have only responded to escalations in violence from democrats and increases in the numbers of illegals.

Sure, Jan.
Yeah, gaslighting us about there not being unprecedented numbers of illegals crossing into the US for 4 years under Biden. Lie and say democrats haven't been fire bombing ICE facilities for the last decade. Pretend like ICE is seeking out protestors to attack.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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I don't think a lot of experienced, well trained ICE officers are attacking protesters.
Wangchung
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BUDOS said:

I don't think a lot of experienced, well trained ICE officers are attacking protesters.
None of them are attacking protestors, so that speaks well of ICE.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.


If the Biden administration had not invited millions of unvetted illegals into the country …..ICE would not have to be so active in their deportations.

Do you even practice law ? My attorney of over 25 years is so busy he never has to the time to troll a free message board.

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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.

ICE and CBP have only responded to escalations in violence from democrats and increases in the numbers of illegals.

Sure, Jan.

Yeah, gaslighting us about there not being unprecedented numbers of illegals crossing into the US for 4 years under Biden. Lie and say democrats haven't been fire bombing ICE facilities for the last decade. Pretend like ICE is seeking out protestors to attack.

Where are all of those illegals? Minnesota doesn't have many. What they do have are those voter rolls that Trump wants to steal.
BUDOS
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Depends on your perception of the truth.
"
noun
an aggressive and violent action against a person or place."

There are also protesters who meet this definition.
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.

ICE and CBP have only responded to escalations in violence from democrats and increases in the numbers of illegals.

Sure, Jan.

Yeah, gaslighting us about there not being unprecedented numbers of illegals crossing into the US for 4 years under Biden. Lie and say democrats haven't been fire bombing ICE facilities for the last decade. Pretend like ICE is seeking out protestors to attack.

Where are all of those illegals? Minnesota doesn't have many. What they do have are those voter rolls that Trump wants to steal.
Ah, so you believe ICE is arresting illegal aliens to distract from a voter roll heist the likes of which you've seen in movies such as Ocean's 11, The Other Guys, The Italian Job etc? THAT is your conclusion? Lol
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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BUDOS said:

Depends on your perception of the truth.
"
noun
an aggressive and violent action against a person or place."

There are also protesters who meet this definition.
A violent protestor is no longer a protestor, they are a rioter.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

Bingo. If we're talking about how the protesters have raised tensions, we need to consider how ICE and CBP have done the same.

ICE and CBP have only responded to escalations in violence from democrats and increases in the numbers of illegals.

Sure, Jan.

Yeah, gaslighting us about there not being unprecedented numbers of illegals crossing into the US for 4 years under Biden. Lie and say democrats haven't been fire bombing ICE facilities for the last decade. Pretend like ICE is seeking out protestors to attack.

Where are all of those illegals? Minnesota doesn't have many. What they do have are those voter rolls that Trump wants to steal.
Ah, so you believe ICE is arresting illegal aliens to distract from a voter roll heist the likes of which you've seen in movies such as Ocean's 11, The Other Guys, The Italian Job etc? THAT is your conclusion? Lol


Amazing the deflection games these leftists play.

Don't care about the danger some of these illegals are to innocent Americans. Don't care about the billions of dollars flagrantly stolen or the kickbacks involved.

They just throw up still another smokescreen.
BUDOS
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You make a point.
And what is an overly aggressive ICE agent, which may often be new and inexperienced, towards an American citizen who is recording the event and not assaulting nor impeding that citizen?
Wangchung
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BUDOS said:

You make a point.
And what is an overly aggressive ICE agent, which may often be new and inexperienced, towards an American citizen who is recording the event and not assaulting nor impeding that citizen?
That would be called a statistical rarity. The vast majority of those arrested and physically encountered were interfering. No one is there just to film. They are there to disrupt. That's why they bring whistles and bullhorns and use their vehicles to block traffic.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

BUDOS
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I don't totally disagree with you; however your primary perception of the protests as a whole is different than what I and most others believe.
Do you believe Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act?
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FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

His weapon was taken from him while still holstered. If it discharged, it discharged in the hands of the Federal Agent. It was not Pertti having the weapon that caused the discharge. It was the officers tackling him and taking from his holster.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

That is what caused the problem, not that everyone didn't get on their knees and interlock their fingers on their head when addressing ICE to make sure they wouldn't be shot...

It makes no difference in whose hands the weapon was in while it spontaneously discharged. The fact remains that if it did indeed discharge by itself, and the other officers had no idea where the weapon was and only saw that it was gone from Pretti's holster - then, as highly, highly unlucky that was for Pretti, the officers had the right in that split second to decide that their lives were in danger and assume that it was Pretti who had fired the shot. Again, very, very unlucky for Pretti that it had happened. But it was Pretti who very unwisely decided to carry a weapon while he was assaulting officers, to where all it would take is for ONE very unlucky thing to happen at precisely the wrong time for him to get shot by the officers. And incredibly, that one thing actually happened. If anything, Pretti was killed due to an act of God, sort of speak.

To blame what happened to Pretti on ICE policy and tactics is dishonest and/or ignorant and ideologically driven. It didn't matter what the policy was, who was enforcing it, or what the tactics were. If this were ANY police engagement of an armed protester - (you can insert whatever protest you want here, it doesn't matter) - and the gun the resisting protester was carrying went off in the chaos of wrestling with cops , then there's a near 99% chance they're going to get shot by the cops. This is just the reality of such a situation. Cops want to go home alive too. Argue against ICE policy and tactics all you want, but using Pretti getting shot as evidence of its failure is not being fair and honest, it's being ideologically opportunistic. "Don't let a crisis go to waste" is what democrats live by, and it's nauseating how many sheep they're able to manipulate this way.
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

FLBear5630 said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

Forest Bueller III said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Wangchung said:

FLBear5630 said:

Robert Wilson said:

Jack Bauer said:

If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle



What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.


So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

We live in world where low iq people believe they have the right to attack federal agents while brandishing a firearm.

It was holstered and he was tackled by 5 guys. The idiot should have been arrested, no doubt. If not the day he died, 11 days earlier. They should have cuffed him and brought him in. Perfectly reasonable. Even macing him, brought it on himself. Deadly force? On a City Street with civilians around? 10 times? Come on, no reasonable person can think that is warranted in a law enforcement situation. Hell, if you did that in Afghanistan CID would be visiting.

Homan got it under control and took the appropriate actions. Can we put him in charge of HSA? Make that guy a Cabinet member.

He really should have been arrested 11 days earlier. His actions deserved some time incarcerated.
Not sure why they just threw him aside and then left him alone.

His actions the day he died were much more subdued, almost as though he recalibrated his actions.
He was moving off the road and came to the aid of a woman who was slung around like a rag doll, he was attacked from the back, he was wrested to the ground and after his holstered, not brandished, gun was ripped out of the back of his belt, he was summarily shot at 10 times, with many of the shots landing.

He was certainly a jerk and an ass. His actions in the earlier video were undefendable and deserved an arrest.

Nothing he did however on the day he died deserved death, or even close to it.

He wasn't the sweet little guy that he was portrayed to be at all. He still should not have been killed, the response the day he was killed far exceeded his actions.

This isn't about Pretti "deserving" death. It's dishonest for people to keep misframing it that way. Pretti gambled with his life with his actions, and even still, despite everything we know about him - his prior violent assault on officers, his active impedance, his resisting arrest, and most notably, him doing all this while carrying a loaded weapon - STILL, had his weapon not spontaneously discharged (ostensibly - the investigation is ongoing) the officers would most likely not have shot him, and he'd be alive today.

Pretti was a victim of his own bad choices that culminated in being in a position where he was going to get killed if just ONE thing went wrong. It did. And unfortunately, it was something that was not his nor the officers' fault or within their control.

His weapon was taken from him while still holstered. If it discharged, it discharged in the hands of the Federal Agent. It was not Pertti having the weapon that caused the discharge. It was the officers tackling him and taking from his holster.

That is neither here nor there, the investigation will show that as it is on tape. The issue is the orders the Federal Agents were operating under when interacting with protestors on US streets. Aggression begets Aggression. The full tactical, the masks (for whatever reason), the use of tear gas, the picking up people on the streets (non-targeted enforcement)...

That is what caused the problem, not that everyone didn't get on their knees and interlock their fingers on their head when addressing ICE to make sure they wouldn't be shot...

It makes no difference in whose hands the weapon was in while it spontaneously discharged. The fact remains that if it did indeed discharge by itself, and the other officers had no idea where the weapon was and only saw that it was gone from Pretti's holster - then, as highly, highly unlucky that was for Pretti, the officers had the right in that split second to decide that their lives were in danger and assume that it was Pretti who had fired the shot. Again, very, very unlucky for Pretti that it had happened. But it was Pretti who very unwisely decided to carry a weapon while he was assaulting officers, to where all it would take is for ONE very unlucky thing to happen at precisely the wrong time for him to get shot by the officers. And incredibly, that one thing actually happened. If anything, Pretti was killed due to an act of God, sort of speak.

To blame what happened to Pretti on ICE policy and tactics is dishonest and/or ignorant and ideologically driven. It didn't matter what the policy was, who was enforcing it, or what the tactics were. If this were ANY police engagement of an armed protester - (you can insert whatever protest you want here, it doesn't matter) - and the gun the resisting protester was carrying went off in the chaos of wrestling with cops , then there's a near 99% chance they're going to get shot by the cops. This is just the reality of such a situation. Cops want to go home alive too. Argue against ICE policy and tactics all you want, but using Pretti getting shot as evidence of its failure is not being fair and honest, it's being ideologically opportunistic. "Don't let a crisis go to waste" is what democrats live by, and it's nauseating how many sheep they're able to manipulate this way.

To say that any protest with any Law Enforcement would have ended up with him dead shot 10 times is incredibly ignorant.
 
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