KaiBear said:
Imagine the shock if explosions start occurring here. Unlike the Israelis…..our people will immediately crack.
BearFan33 said:
Market should take off. Pause in hostilities due to "productive" discussions. Price of oil dropping.
BearFan33 said:
Market should take off. Pause in hostilities due to "productive" discussions. Price of oil dropping.
J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:william said:
>>
A young Iranian who barely made it across the border into Turkey has delivered a gut-wrenching eyewitness account that's sending shockwaves worldwide.
He says the outside world has no real grasp of the horror unfolding inside Iran right now.
This isn't about arrests.
This isn't about beatings.
This is about deliberate killingscold, calculated executions on the streets.
Protesters are being shot straight in the chest, point-blank.
No warning shots.
No stray bullets.
No accidents.
Over and over again, with lethal intent. The death tolls trickling out online? According to him, they're nowhere near the truth.
The real numbers are far higherbodies vanish into mass graves, hospitals are raided to finish off the wounded, and corpses are stacked and hidden to erase the evidence.
Families are terrified into silence.
They beg for their loved ones' remains, sometimes forced to pay for the very bullets that killed them, then warned never to speak.
Fear seals every mouth. Inside Iran, people can't cry out without risking the same fate.
Outside, the world sees only fragmentsfiltered, delayed, minimized.
That enforced silence is the regime's most powerful weapon right now.
It lets the killing continue unchecked while the rest of the planet looks away.
The refugee's plea cuts through it: the scale of this bloodshed is being buried alive.
And until the world forces its eyes open, the true carnage stays hidden in the shadows...
The Ayatollah's barbarians are the reason Commander in Chief Trump must blast them back to the Stone Age..
<<
Those who want Trump to fail…..are going to ignore news such as this.
Total BS. Trump has gotten us into an unnecessary war that we don't need and certainly can't afford. Yeah, Trump's doing great stuff getting people slaughtered all over these places. You good with indesciminate killing of ours and others. I don't want him to fail. I've changed my tune. I want him to keep up the Disaster. Screw the country. I just gonna laugh all the way to the bank as Piggy does. Keep on Donnie! $$$$
The mullah's have been executing their own citizens for many years.
Which is why so many Iranians living overseas support Trumps actions.
Glad you are making money off all this.
Maybe the additional funds will bring you happiness.
I may be more of the content people you know, there Kai. Have always been comfortable in my own skin. People who aren't , generally aren't productive. Nothing I can do to change what Piggy has done to our country, guess I got my silver lining. Btw, I don't keep score anymore. Financial independence is nothing more than flexibility. I don't buy "stuff". ok, I have a bit of a guitar fetish..and travel and what goes with. 1 watch (not in your class), no labels on anything. Yuk
My friend I have no doubt you possess more wealth than myself.
However I have 'enough' to enjoy the same flexibility.
Honestly tired of international travel……but my wife still has a passion for it. Guilty as charged in regards to luxury watches. Some have turned out to be good investments; others are for pure enjoyment.
Our happiest moments are with our grandchildren. We see them almost every single day. As a result we now limit our trips away from them to 14 days.
International travel can be rough on an old man(trust me I know) another reason I'm getting around a lot while I can. I'm starting a company in Bangkok, btw. Interesting navigating the Thai govt. Thankfully, my partner is Bangkok local and know how to get things done. Her language skills don't hurt either. I'm real conversant in Thai, but would no consider myself fluent. she picks up on the nuance I miss. I used to have factories one country over in Viet Nam. Amazing how difference the 2 countries are.
Porteroso said:KaiBear said:william said:
>>
A young Iranian who barely made it across the border into Turkey has delivered a gut-wrenching eyewitness account that's sending shockwaves worldwide.
He says the outside world has no real grasp of the horror unfolding inside Iran right now.
This isn't about arrests.
This isn't about beatings.
This is about deliberate killingscold, calculated executions on the streets.
Protesters are being shot straight in the chest, point-blank.
No warning shots.
No stray bullets.
No accidents.
Over and over again, with lethal intent. The death tolls trickling out online? According to him, they're nowhere near the truth.
The real numbers are far higherbodies vanish into mass graves, hospitals are raided to finish off the wounded, and corpses are stacked and hidden to erase the evidence.
Families are terrified into silence.
They beg for their loved ones' remains, sometimes forced to pay for the very bullets that killed them, then warned never to speak.
Fear seals every mouth. Inside Iran, people can't cry out without risking the same fate.
Outside, the world sees only fragmentsfiltered, delayed, minimized.
That enforced silence is the regime's most powerful weapon right now.
It lets the killing continue unchecked while the rest of the planet looks away.
The refugee's plea cuts through it: the scale of this bloodshed is being buried alive.
And until the world forces its eyes open, the true carnage stays hidden in the shadows...
The Ayatollah's barbarians are the reason Commander in Chief Trump must blast them back to the Stone Age..
<<
Those who want Trump to fail…..are going to ignore news such as this.
Thats not news, it's a fluff piece written by a Trump supporter. It could be true but nobody knows. "One guy said, we swear!" is not real journalism.
KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:william said:
>>
A young Iranian who barely made it across the border into Turkey has delivered a gut-wrenching eyewitness account that's sending shockwaves worldwide.
He says the outside world has no real grasp of the horror unfolding inside Iran right now.
This isn't about arrests.
This isn't about beatings.
This is about deliberate killingscold, calculated executions on the streets.
Protesters are being shot straight in the chest, point-blank.
No warning shots.
No stray bullets.
No accidents.
Over and over again, with lethal intent. The death tolls trickling out online? According to him, they're nowhere near the truth.
The real numbers are far higherbodies vanish into mass graves, hospitals are raided to finish off the wounded, and corpses are stacked and hidden to erase the evidence.
Families are terrified into silence.
They beg for their loved ones' remains, sometimes forced to pay for the very bullets that killed them, then warned never to speak.
Fear seals every mouth. Inside Iran, people can't cry out without risking the same fate.
Outside, the world sees only fragmentsfiltered, delayed, minimized.
That enforced silence is the regime's most powerful weapon right now.
It lets the killing continue unchecked while the rest of the planet looks away.
The refugee's plea cuts through it: the scale of this bloodshed is being buried alive.
And until the world forces its eyes open, the true carnage stays hidden in the shadows...
The Ayatollah's barbarians are the reason Commander in Chief Trump must blast them back to the Stone Age..
<<
Those who want Trump to fail…..are going to ignore news such as this.
Total BS. Trump has gotten us into an unnecessary war that we don't need and certainly can't afford. Yeah, Trump's doing great stuff getting people slaughtered all over these places. You good with indesciminate killing of ours and others. I don't want him to fail. I've changed my tune. I want him to keep up the Disaster. Screw the country. I just gonna laugh all the way to the bank as Piggy does. Keep on Donnie! $$$$
The mullah's have been executing their own citizens for many years.
Which is why so many Iranians living overseas support Trumps actions.
Glad you are making money off all this.
Maybe the additional funds will bring you happiness.
I may be more of the content people you know, there Kai. Have always been comfortable in my own skin. People who aren't , generally aren't productive. Nothing I can do to change what Piggy has done to our country, guess I got my silver lining. Btw, I don't keep score anymore. Financial independence is nothing more than flexibility. I don't buy "stuff". ok, I have a bit of a guitar fetish..and travel and what goes with. 1 watch (not in your class), no labels on anything. Yuk
My friend I have no doubt you possess more wealth than myself.
However I have 'enough' to enjoy the same flexibility.
Honestly tired of international travel……but my wife still has a passion for it. Guilty as charged in regards to luxury watches. Some have turned out to be good investments; others are for pure enjoyment.
Our happiest moments are with our grandchildren. We see them almost every single day. As a result we now limit our trips away from them to 14 days.
International travel can be rough on an old man(trust me I know) another reason I'm getting around a lot while I can. I'm starting a company in Bangkok, btw. Interesting navigating the Thai govt. Thankfully, my partner is Bangkok local and know how to get things done. Her language skills don't hurt either. I'm real conversant in Thai, but would no consider myself fluent. she picks up on the nuance I miss. I used to have factories one country over in Viet Nam. Amazing how difference the 2 countries are.
What are the biggest differences ?
Q: "Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war"
— CSPAN (@cspan) March 23, 2026
President Trump: "We'd like to make a deal…If it goes well, we're going to end up with settling this. Otherwise we'll just keep bombing our little hearts out" pic.twitter.com/nuptuvRXmL
J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:william said:
>>
A young Iranian who barely made it across the border into Turkey has delivered a gut-wrenching eyewitness account that's sending shockwaves worldwide.
He says the outside world has no real grasp of the horror unfolding inside Iran right now.
This isn't about arrests.
This isn't about beatings.
This is about deliberate killingscold, calculated executions on the streets.
Protesters are being shot straight in the chest, point-blank.
No warning shots.
No stray bullets.
No accidents.
Over and over again, with lethal intent. The death tolls trickling out online? According to him, they're nowhere near the truth.
The real numbers are far higherbodies vanish into mass graves, hospitals are raided to finish off the wounded, and corpses are stacked and hidden to erase the evidence.
Families are terrified into silence.
They beg for their loved ones' remains, sometimes forced to pay for the very bullets that killed them, then warned never to speak.
Fear seals every mouth. Inside Iran, people can't cry out without risking the same fate.
Outside, the world sees only fragmentsfiltered, delayed, minimized.
That enforced silence is the regime's most powerful weapon right now.
It lets the killing continue unchecked while the rest of the planet looks away.
The refugee's plea cuts through it: the scale of this bloodshed is being buried alive.
And until the world forces its eyes open, the true carnage stays hidden in the shadows...
The Ayatollah's barbarians are the reason Commander in Chief Trump must blast them back to the Stone Age..
<<
Those who want Trump to fail…..are going to ignore news such as this.
Total BS. Trump has gotten us into an unnecessary war that we don't need and certainly can't afford. Yeah, Trump's doing great stuff getting people slaughtered all over these places. You good with indesciminate killing of ours and others. I don't want him to fail. I've changed my tune. I want him to keep up the Disaster. Screw the country. I just gonna laugh all the way to the bank as Piggy does. Keep on Donnie! $$$$
The mullah's have been executing their own citizens for many years.
Which is why so many Iranians living overseas support Trumps actions.
Glad you are making money off all this.
Maybe the additional funds will bring you happiness.
I may be more of the content people you know, there Kai. Have always been comfortable in my own skin. People who aren't , generally aren't productive. Nothing I can do to change what Piggy has done to our country, guess I got my silver lining. Btw, I don't keep score anymore. Financial independence is nothing more than flexibility. I don't buy "stuff". ok, I have a bit of a guitar fetish..and travel and what goes with. 1 watch (not in your class), no labels on anything. Yuk
My friend I have no doubt you possess more wealth than myself.
However I have 'enough' to enjoy the same flexibility.
Honestly tired of international travel……but my wife still has a passion for it. Guilty as charged in regards to luxury watches. Some have turned out to be good investments; others are for pure enjoyment.
Our happiest moments are with our grandchildren. We see them almost every single day. As a result we now limit our trips away from them to 14 days.
International travel can be rough on an old man(trust me I know) another reason I'm getting around a lot while I can. I'm starting a company in Bangkok, btw. Interesting navigating the Thai govt. Thankfully, my partner is Bangkok local and know how to get things done. Her language skills don't hurt either. I'm real conversant in Thai, but would no consider myself fluent. she picks up on the nuance I miss. I used to have factories one country over in Viet Nam. Amazing how difference the 2 countries are.
What are the biggest differences ?
Viet Nam are more go-go full throttle . They work their ass off, but talk about sexist. My business partner is Vietnamese, so we had thousands of peeps doing hi tech assembly, test, ect. Never once have a seen a Viet names dude open a door for a women. its the other way around. most have a side piece. Govt. is corrupt, so you have to have a local to run interference. In Thailand, only Thais can own real estate (dirt) Foreigners can own or build the building, but can't own. Thais also , general have the Sabai, Sabai vibe which is they ain't in a hurry for much. Double edged sword. Most hospitable, loving people, but Western Business can be challenging. Still muddling through it. I've spend a lot of time in Asia on business during my corporate days and it was interesting. I haven't lived in Asia until now (last 3 months) and one thing I still struggle with is the time difference to the US (work day). So I have to put on trades at 8:30pm , wake up a couple times to check if important. About to be 10:00pm and off to bed , so I kinda miss the US business day. its odd
boognish_bear said:Q: "Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war"
— CSPAN (@cspan) March 23, 2026
President Trump: "We'd like to make a deal…If it goes well, we're going to end up with settling this. Otherwise we'll just keep bombing our little hearts out" pic.twitter.com/nuptuvRXmL
BearFan33 said:boognish_bear said:Q: "Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war"
— CSPAN (@cspan) March 23, 2026
President Trump: "We'd like to make a deal…If it goes well, we're going to end up with settling this. Otherwise we'll just keep bombing our little hearts out" pic.twitter.com/nuptuvRXmL
C-span paraphrasing o....
USA is taking a pause. What about Israel?
BearFan33 said:boognish_bear said:Q: "Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war"
— CSPAN (@cspan) March 23, 2026
President Trump: "We'd like to make a deal…If it goes well, we're going to end up with settling this. Otherwise we'll just keep bombing our little hearts out" pic.twitter.com/nuptuvRXmL
C-span paraphrasing off here (not surprisingly). Trump says discussions ongoing (and productive) and Iran is having trouble communicating amongst themselves due to everything being blown up. They need a new PR person.
It does beg the question on who exactly are they communicating with in Iran, who is left and who has authority to speak.
Maybe they are talking to the IRGC.
Of course Trump could be lying, but I suspect they are talking to someone.
USA is taking a pause. What about Israel?
KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
BREAKING: An RJ85 of the Iranian Air Force, which I earlier reported flew from Tehran to Islamabad with the approval of the Israeli Air Force, carried a delegation of the Islamic regime of Iran led by Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. The delegation met with their American counterparts… https://t.co/rqN3GkwLWT pic.twitter.com/QujiiQF0NE
— Babak Taghvaee - The Crisis Watch (@BabakTaghvaee1) March 23, 2026
KaiBear said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
Wrong
If you want regime change …..you destroy the ability of the mullah's to maintain control of the populace.
You do not let our entitled masses whine their way into half measures.
That merely kick the terrorist can down the road still again.
303Bear said:KaiBear said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
Wrong
If you want regime change …..you destroy the ability of the mullah's to maintain control of the populace.
You do not let our entitled masses whine their way into half measures.
That merely kick the terrorist can down the road still again.
Please kindly explain how destroying the civilian power grid helps ensure regime change. Further disconnecting and punishing a reeling population seems like a poor plan to get them to act in our best interests.
By repeatedly bringing up "the entitled masses" and the "whiners" as you fully commit everyone to a lower quality of life due to rationing, you expose the absurdity of many claims you likely agree with about our own energy independence. If we really were energy independent, Iranian production or Hormuz wouldn't matter. But since reality isn't want you want it to be, and we do live in an integrated global market, it does matter. Assume you will be just fine with a 4 gallon a week gas ration and I am sure you have already started your victory garden.
Finally, once this glorious regime change is accomplished, then what? Do we leave a fledgling government with no infrastructure, ripe to be taken over by the next waive of zealots? Or do we stay 20+ years and rebuild?
My kids will be paying off the last time we spent 20 years in a country to replace the regime with the same regime for the rest of their lives. I'd really rather not saddle my grandkids with the debt from this half baked boondoggle.
Senior Iranian officials have agreed to several major demands from the United States to end the war, including a five-year freeze for its long-range ballistic missile program, officials tell Israel’s Channel 12.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 23, 2026
An Israeli security establishment source tells me: “I’d approach this cautiously, with a grain of salt. It’s early Monday morning in the U.S., the start of the trading week. Markets opened higher, largely as expected following the weekend reports on the negotiations and the… https://t.co/2C3krvCPpD
— Yalda Hakim (@SkyYaldaHakim) March 23, 2026
boognish_bear said:
Sounds hopeful… but I think we have to take all these reports with a grain of salt right nowSenior Iranian officials have agreed to several major demands from the United States to end the war, including a five-year freeze for its long-range ballistic missile program, officials tell Israel’s Channel 12.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 23, 2026
Deployment of the 82nd Airborne Division from Ft. Bragg, as well as other units with the U.S. Army, appear to now be underway from bases within the Continental United States towards the Middle East, as staging continues for potential ground operations in Iran. https://t.co/E3QzoDvbKG
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 23, 2026
KaiBear said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
Wrong
If you want regime change …..you destroy the ability of the mullah's to maintain control of the populace.
You do not let our entitled masses whine their way into half measures.
That merely kick the terrorist can down the road still again.
Please kindly explain how destroying the civilian power grid helps ensure regime change. Further disconnecting and punishing a reeling population seems like a poor plan to get them to act in our best interests.
By repeatedly bringing up "the entitled masses" and the "whiners" as you fully commit everyone to a lower quality of life due to rationing, you expose the absurdity of many claims you likely agree with about our own energy independence. If we really were energy independent, Iranian production or Hormuz wouldn't matter. But since reality isn't want you want it to be, and we do live in an integrated global market, it does matter. Assume you will be just fine with a 4 gallon a week gas ration and I am sure you have already started your victory garden.
Finally, once this glorious regime change is accomplished, then what? Do we leave a fledgling government with no infrastructure, ripe to be taken over by the next waive of zealots? Or do we stay 20+ years and rebuild?
My kids will be paying off the last time we spent 20 years in a country to replace the regime with the same regime for the rest of their lives. I'd really rather not saddle my grandkids with the debt from this half baked boondoggle.
Iran has been killing Americans world wide for decades. Ok. A throw away point I will gladly concede as it is largely irrelevant to the actual situation here.
They had come to believe Americans were cowards . Infidels more concerned about immediate gratification and material accumulation. Technically partially correct, non-Muslims are, by definition, infidels. The rest is your opinion based on?
Should have fought this war at least 20 years ago; but each president ….Republican and Democrat knew the American people would retaliate politically and damage their party come election time. Pray tell, with what force were we going to bomb and then invade Iran 20 years ago? 20 years ago we were still very much in both Iraq and Afghanistan. 2006 would have been before the surge in Iraq and around the time much of the insurgency in both places was picking up steam and we were frantically trying to build enough MRAPs and ship up-armor kits to units to give them a chance in their HMMWVs.
Iran saw this ….and pushed the envelope with nukes. What have they done in the last 12 months that makes "now" the moment? Did we not impact their program at all with the strikes in 2025? Do we even know?
So here we are.
I do not like this war ….primarily because of all the Israeli influence within our government. yet you are advocating for its escalation?
However now that's it's begun it is vitally important that we win it. If you can't see that I am not going to spend 3000 words attempting to show you the reasons. Will you spend 5 works explaining what "winning" looks like to you? maybe if there is time, address my prior points and questions on "post-winning" Iran looks like (which you ignored entirely)?
Be it Iraq, Japan, Germany or Italy……regime change only occurs when the civilian population is fed up with the actions of their current dictator. The civilian population played little to no role in any of those instances. You can make a (weak) argument for Italy, but the overthrow of what was left of the fascist regime until mere weeks before the war ended in Europe and organized Axis military resistance in Italy effectively collapsed. Germany and Japan did not fall to civilian unrest, but rather, in Germany's case, two of the largest armies ever assembled on either side of its capital and for Japan, the instant destruction of two of its cities to the first operational atomic bombs. Iraq fell because of an overwhelming ground force routing what was left of a demoralized standing army using obsolete and worn out equipment as a result of 30 years of war and sanctions. Ask the marines in Fallujah how helpful the citizenry were in supporting the occupation.
Privation works…..war fatigue works. So are you advocating for carpet bombing and then a ground invasion?
Of course nothing I post is going to change your mind in the slightest. Probably not, but I dont think you are trying that hard to change my mind, just spinning talking points. You still havent addressed the most basic question I asked: what good does bombing the civilian power gird do?
Just hope Trump follows through, though I doubt he is strong enough to do so. What do you want trump to follow through on? There have been as many goals listed as there have been days in this conflict so far.
Robert Wilson said:Porteroso said:KaiBear said:william said:
>>
A young Iranian who barely made it across the border into Turkey has delivered a gut-wrenching eyewitness account that's sending shockwaves worldwide.
He says the outside world has no real grasp of the horror unfolding inside Iran right now.
This isn't about arrests.
This isn't about beatings.
This is about deliberate killingscold, calculated executions on the streets.
Protesters are being shot straight in the chest, point-blank.
No warning shots.
No stray bullets.
No accidents.
Over and over again, with lethal intent. The death tolls trickling out online? According to him, they're nowhere near the truth.
The real numbers are far higherbodies vanish into mass graves, hospitals are raided to finish off the wounded, and corpses are stacked and hidden to erase the evidence.
Families are terrified into silence.
They beg for their loved ones' remains, sometimes forced to pay for the very bullets that killed them, then warned never to speak.
Fear seals every mouth. Inside Iran, people can't cry out without risking the same fate.
Outside, the world sees only fragmentsfiltered, delayed, minimized.
That enforced silence is the regime's most powerful weapon right now.
It lets the killing continue unchecked while the rest of the planet looks away.
The refugee's plea cuts through it: the scale of this bloodshed is being buried alive.
And until the world forces its eyes open, the true carnage stays hidden in the shadows...
The Ayatollah's barbarians are the reason Commander in Chief Trump must blast them back to the Stone Age..
<<
Those who want Trump to fail…..are going to ignore news such as this.
Thats not news, it's a fluff piece written by a Trump supporter. It could be true but nobody knows. "One guy said, we swear!" is not real journalism.
Did you read about what happened to the Iranian women soccer players who tried to defect?
This is how they roll.
303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
KaiBear said:Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.
US history provides several examples.
Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.
Porteroso said:KaiBear said:Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.
US history provides several examples.
Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.
Wanna bet whether there is real regime change when we leave?
And no, you dont do "whatever it takes" to force regime change. You weigh whether any given action is worth it or not. You never go full Hitler.
D. C. Bear said:Porteroso said:KaiBear said:Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.
US history provides several examples.
Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.
Wanna bet whether there is real regime change when we leave?
And no, you dont do "whatever it takes" to force regime change. You weigh whether any given action is worth it or not. You never go full Hitler.
This is the measure of success having decided to respond to Iran's threat with this level of force. If the Islamic regime is left intact, it's a lot of blood and treasure for very little return. While the administration says this is not a regime change war, it needs to be.
Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
Porteroso said:KaiBear said:Porteroso said:303Bear said:KaiBear said:
If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.
During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.
Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.
Fight to win…..period
Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.
Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.
Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.
People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.
One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.
If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.
US history provides several examples.
Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.
Wanna bet whether there is real regime change when we leave?
And no, you dont do "whatever it takes" to force regime change. You weigh whether any given action is worth it or not. You never go full Hitler.
