KaiBear said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Did I miss the mushroom cloud over New York again? Please enlighten me.

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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I've mentioned all of that before and been shamed for doing so. The fact remains that we just Pearl-Harbored Iran in the midst of negotiations, and not vice versa.

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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Firing and them hitting target are not the same

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"Yeah, the mob put out a contact on me but the guy they hired is a terrible shot. No need to take any action."

How much time are you going to give them to improve their targeting systems.

What hit rate is acceptable…10%, 30%, etc…..?

How close are you going to let the rattlesnake get to your kids before you put your beer down and go kill it?

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Using retaliatory actions taken after we attack is a really interesting way to justify the initial attack.

Also, you realize they now have the excuse to test/refine/figure out the variables and intricacies of long range targeting that they would have never been able to achieve with live fire tests, which would have brought UN resolutions and further rounds of sanctions.

At this point, which is it: is Iran collapsing and have we won (for the third or fourth time); or are they a dangerous threat to the very existence of the free world and we need $200 billion more in defense (ha) spending to keep the war going? They can't be both.

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Where the hell have you been the last 40yrs.

I collected intel…human intel….on Iran, Hizballah, et al….for several years. Efforts to portray as innocuous to us a country which has killed thousands of Americans and is relentlessly (and successfully) pursuing nuclear weapons as well as the ballistic missile capability to deliver the us intellectual dishonest of the highest order.

Like this guy…..

Just three months ago, Joe Kent laid out on Shawn Ryan’s show just how much of an enemy and threat Iran is.

Suddenly, when he gets to go on a bunch of podcasts, everything changes.

The grift is insane.

pic.twitter.com/ehiJiGZ6vW

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) March 22, 2026

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No one doubts what you say on that.

The question is was the threat worth the cost of direct military action by the US?

For decades, we have had threats worth countering but not worth direct military action, such as the USSR, China and North Korea. We countered, but kept US forces out of direct military action, besides a few brushing incidents.

Iran was hands off because of the problems after. No one thought the US couldn't win a direct conflict, but what happens after and how do we get out? You know this because it is common reading, how did your models play out and what did your formulas show for the TOTAL equation, not just the threat inputs?

Second question, IF the full equation showed it was now worth the cost, why only Israel as partner? Even Great Britain and Canada, whom we can count on for standing with us were against? No one else, Turkey? Other Arab States?

You are great at showing Kelly on the threat, which is totally credible because he agrees with Trump. But, when he says there was no reason to do this now, it is not... That is what he said, not that Iran was not a threat, but we don't have to do THIS...

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Pinhead argument.

They have demonstrated ballistic missile capability to at least the shores of the Arctic Ocean and admitted to having enough 60% enriched uranium make a dozen nukes. 60% enrich uranium is within weeks of nuclear weapon ready. They have made it clear they are going to rebuild their enrichment program.

Please explain EXACTLY how close you intend to let them get on capability of the weapons delivery system before you would act.

Please explain what level of confidence in intel you require before acting.

Please explain why their current ballistic misdile capability alone is not sufficient to do what we have done. It's okay to lob MIRV warheads into New Your City as long as they not nuclear? (Can you not hear the insanity of the argument yo are making?)

If you can dissuade a regime from pursuing policies that are unacceptable to you, how far are you going to let them go before you engage in diplomacy via other means?

Thank God we finally had a POTUS brave and wise enough to ignore ninnies like you and finish damned job.

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You are so full of it. You will justify anything Trump does and reverse yourself, make stuff up. All with little equations to make it look official. So now with the logic du jour, we are going to attack anyone that has ballistic missile technology over 2500 km and doesn't like us? N Korea? China? Russia? Pakistan?

More importantly how are you going to find the enriched material? It can be anywhere.

The pinhead argument is to go into this with no idea where the material is, say we will count on the people rising up and actually giving Iran a reason to use a weapon against the US. Up until now, it has been against Israel and in the Middle East.

Why wouldn't they before? Because of us attacking and destroying everything. But, since we are already doing that and we are killing every leader they bring forward what incentive is there for them NOT to take as many shots as they can?

Which leads us to ground troops and occupying. But that was your plan all along, right. Typical CIA type ****, which has played out so well in the past.

Name once it actually worked!

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Forest Bueller III said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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We were really ramping up the numbers in the military before were engaged officially in WW2. A low of 119,000 Military men were reported in 1935 and had ramped up to 812,000 by Nov. 1941 right before Pearl Harbor. Before WW2 was over 10 million men, still mainly volunteers had enlisted. Although the draft was in full force.

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

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People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.

One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.

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If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.

US history provides several examples.

Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.

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How are these other regime changes in the region going? I'd suggest putting down these books on unrelated events and read some current situational analysis reports.

We can be "friends" with Islamic bad guys. We can't kill Islamism (the actual regime power). I suggest common economic interests as a good start. With Iran it's easy to identify what that is. Something we haven't had with them for almost half a century.

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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I've mentioned all of that before and been shamed for doing so. The fact remains that we just Pearl-Harbored Iran in the midst of negotiations, and not vice versa.

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The fact remains that FDR declared a Naval War against Germany and HUNDREDS of United States sailors died as a result.

All for ............Great Britain.

The only differences today are you hate this particular president and prefer to prioritize your gotcha games rather than being objective.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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We were really ramping up the numbers in the military before were engaged officially in WW2. A low of 119,000 Military men were reported in 1935 and had ramped up to 812,000 by Nov. 1941 right before Pearl Harbor. Before WW2 was over 10 million men, still mainly volunteers had enlisted. Although the draft was in full force.

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My dad was one of those volunteers. He always found it funny how shocked everyone was by Pearl Harbor. The Army had been building intake centers around the country as fast as possible that whole year.

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GEN. MATTIS: “.. Iran right now, if we declared victory, they would now say they own the strait. .. You’d see a tax for every ship that goes through. .. We’re in a tough spot, ladies and gentlemen. .. I can’t identify a lot of options.”@politico https://t.co/l13SctRaQS pic.twitter.com/5Mjpu2TX7H

— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) March 24, 2026

BREAKING: Massive explosion at the Valero Oil Refinery in Port Arthur, Texas sends towering clouds of black smoke and intense flames shooting into the sky.

This is one of America’s largest oil refineries (335,000+ barrels/day capacity).

Emergency crews responding with no… pic.twitter.com/Vc1jLEBPg2

— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) March 24, 2026

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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I've mentioned all of that before and been shamed for doing so. The fact remains that we just Pearl-Harbored Iran in the midst of negotiations, and not vice versa.

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The fact remains that FDR declared a Naval War against Germany and HUNDREDS of United States sailors died as a result.

All for ............Great Britain.

The only differences today are you hate this particular president and prefer to prioritize your gotcha games rather than being objective.

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I'm not really sure what we're arguing about. I've been opposed to war with Iran since long before Trump.

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Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky is credited with saying "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."

Unfortunately, Iran has not been opposed to war with us since long before Trump.

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Mark Levin abruptly cuts to a commercial break after telling Joe Kent to “talk more slowly” and focus on “one point at a time.”

JOE KENT: “Secretary Rubio said there was no imminent threat coming from Iran against the Americans.”

MARK LEVIN: “He corrected that.”

JOE KENT:… https://t.co/WrPFA2S1bj pic.twitter.com/rcNKeJUJzy

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) March 24, 2026

Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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We were really ramping up the numbers in the military before were engaged officially in WW2. A low of 119,000 Military men were reported in 1935 and had ramped up to 812,000 by Nov. 1941 right before Pearl Harbor. Before WW2 was over 10 million men, still mainly volunteers had enlisted. Although the draft was in full force.

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My dad was one of those volunteers. He always found it funny how shocked everyone was by Pearl Harbor. The Army had been building intake centers around the country as fast as possible that whole year.

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We're in a war now, are you for us or against us?

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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303Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

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People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.

One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.

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If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.

US history provides several examples.

Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.

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Wanna bet whether there is real regime change when we leave?

And no, you dont do "whatever it takes" to force regime change. You weigh whether any given action is worth it or not. You never go full Hitler.

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Your knowledge of US history is so limited as to be frightening.

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In what way would this show ignorance of US history, dumbo?

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A. You characterize everything in the most simplistic terms.
B. Mention only the most woke used bogeyman. Have no awareness of Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.
C. Have repeatedly demonstrated zero knowledge of US tactics in WW1, WW2, Korea , Vietnam, Iraq , or the Philippines .



READ child.

I do not have the time or interest in educating a blank mind.

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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303Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

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People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.

One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.

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If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.

US history provides several examples.

Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.

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Wanna bet whether there is real regime change when we leave?

And no, you dont do "whatever it takes" to force regime change. You weigh whether any given action is worth it or not. You never go full Hitler.

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Your knowledge of US history is so limited as to be frightening.

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In what way would this show ignorance of US history, dumbo?

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A. You characterize everything in the most simplistic terms.
B. Mention only the most woke used bogeyman. Have no awareness of Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.
C. Have repeatedly demonstrated zero knowledge of US tactics in WW1, WW2, Korea , Vietnam, Iraq , or the Philippines .



READ child.

I do not have the time or interest in educating a blank mind.

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Hitler is a woke boogeyman?

Also we are talking about Iran and regime change. To be able to infer someone's general knowledge of US history from my opinion of it not beibg a good idea to mass murdering civilians, and that the Iranian regime will survive this war, is lala land.

You are so incredibly full of yourself, and dumb, that when someone disagrees with your take on Iran, you insult their knowledge of United States history.

You should really post less. Maybe concentrating thr effort into fewer posts would yield some content.

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

---

We were really ramping up the numbers in the military before were engaged officially in WW2. A low of 119,000 Military men were reported in 1935 and had ramped up to 812,000 by Nov. 1941 right before Pearl Harbor. Before WW2 was over 10 million men, still mainly volunteers had enlisted. Although the draft was in full force.

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My dad was one of those volunteers. He always found it funny how shocked everyone was by Pearl Harbor. The Army had been building intake centers around the country as fast as possible that whole year.

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My Dad was on the USS Selfridge December 7th 1941 in Pearl Harbor.

Over 2,200 of his shipmates were killed within 3 hours.

He didn't find anything about it funny.

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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What a shameful post. I can see your grandfather telling everyone in late December 1941 how FDR was to blame for Pearl Harbor.

Disgusting how some will cheer against America, just because you hate our elected President.

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That would make slightly more sense if FDR had launched an unprovoked bombing campaign against Japan like Trump just did against Iran.

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Hate to break it to you, but long before the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and while the United States was still 'neutral'...........FDR ordered the United States Navy to escort American and British merchant ships ( most carrying war supplies to Great Britain ) across the Atlantic.


AND TO HUNT DOWN AND DESTROY ANY GERMAN SUBMARINES.

One US destroyer was sunk in the attempt and another severly damaged.

HUNDREDS of US sailors were killed.

One of the reasons Hitler gave his associates for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was this exact undeclared naval war by FDR.

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We were really ramping up the numbers in the military before were engaged officially in WW2. A low of 119,000 Military men were reported in 1935 and had ramped up to 812,000 by Nov. 1941 right before Pearl Harbor. Before WW2 was over 10 million men, still mainly volunteers had enlisted. Although the draft was in full force.

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My dad was one of those volunteers. He always found it funny how shocked everyone was by Pearl Harbor. The Army had been building intake centers around the country as fast as possible that whole year.

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My Dad was on the USS Selfridge December 7th 1941 in Pearl Harbor.

Over 2,200 of his shipmates were killed within 3 hours.

He didn't find anything about it funny.

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I'm sure neither of them found anything funny about death.

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Qatar's LNG is offline for 3-5 years

The US was already building the replacement

North America's LNG export capacity could more than double by 2029.

This chart was drawn before the war.

Now it looks like a strategic masterplan ♟️

Projects coming online 2026-2029:

🇺🇸… pic.twitter.com/DydiCQGJsz

— Jack Prandelli (@jackprandelli) March 23, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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Qatar's LNG is offline for 3-5 years

The US was already building the replacement

North America's LNG export capacity could more than double by 2029.

This chart was drawn before the war.

Now it looks like a strategic masterplan ♟️

Projects coming online 2026-2029:

🇺🇸… pic.twitter.com/DydiCQGJsz

— Jack Prandelli (@jackprandelli) March 23, 2026

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ATL Bear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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303Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

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People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.

One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.

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If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.

US history provides several examples.

Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.

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How are these other regime changes in the region going? I'd suggest putting down these books on unrelated events and read some current situational analysis reports.

We can be "friends" with Islamic bad guys. We can't kill Islamism (the actual regime power). I suggest common economic interests as a good start. With Iran it's easy to identify what that is. Something we haven't had with them for almost half a century.

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I agree we can't kill Islamism but would you agree that they respect strength? If so, what is the proper way to weld that strength?

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I supported the first bombing. I believe Iran was always pushing for nuclear development. Sometimes aggressive and sometimes passive.

We've shown our power and resolve to strike them. We've decimated their leadership and military capabilities. But I start twitching when we talk regime change. Maybe the best thing now is not to further decimate the country, but figure out how to work with them on common ground. Israel and the US became friends with Egypt and Jordan after decades of fighting. If Trump wanted a real legacy, make that happen with Iran.

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ATL Bear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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303Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

---

People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.

One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.

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If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.

US history provides several examples.

Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.

---

How are these other regime changes in the region going? I'd suggest putting down these books on unrelated events and read some current situational analysis reports.

We can be "friends" with Islamic bad guys. We can't kill Islamism (the actual regime power). I suggest common economic interests as a good start. With Iran it's easy to identify what that is. Something we haven't had with them for almost half a century.

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I agree we can't kill Islamism but would you agree that they respect strength? If so, what is the proper way to weld that strength?

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I supported the first bombing. I believe Iran was always pushing for nuclear development. Sometimes aggressive and sometimes passive.

We've shown our power and resolve to strike them. We've decimated their leadership and military capabilities. But I start twitching when we talk regime change. Maybe the best thing now is not to further decimate the country, but figure out how to work with them on common ground. Israel and the US became friends with Egypt and Jordan after decades of fighting. If Trump wanted a real legacy, make that happen with Iran.

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If Iranian regime change is the final goal…..bombing Iran's oil facilities and power plants are a must.

During WW2 we bombed German occupied oil facilities in Europe and didn't give a **** about its price per barrel impact.

Same when we sank the entire Japanese fleet of oil tankers.

Fight to win…..period

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Using the strategic bombing of during the second world ware to advocate for the destruction of Iran's oil and power infrastructure is complete non sequitur.

Comparing the current world oil market within the context of this conflict to the energy reality and constraints during WWII is as useful as comparing apples to carburetors.

Awful lot of Warhawks in this thread for folks that generally voted for the "peace" president.

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People said they voted for Trump explicitly because both Hilary and Kamela would start wars with Iran. People in this thread.

One of those people now wants Trump to raze the oil production of Iran to the ground. It's incredible. Tribal zealots have such short memories.

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If the goal is regime change…..you have to do what's necessary to force it.

US history provides several examples.

Buy a book….do it with your own money.
Your mommy will be so proud.

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How are these other regime changes in the region going? I'd suggest putting down these books on unrelated events and read some current situational analysis reports.

We can be "friends" with Islamic bad guys. We can't kill Islamism (the actual regime power). I suggest common economic interests as a good start. With Iran it's easy to identify what that is. Something we haven't had with them for almost half a century.

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I agree we can't kill Islamism but would you agree that they respect strength? If so, what is the proper way to weld that strength?

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I supported the first bombing. I believe Iran was always pushing for nuclear development. Sometimes aggressive and sometimes passive.

We've shown our power and resolve to strike them. We've decimated their leadership and military capabilities. But I start twitching when we talk regime change. Maybe the best thing now is not to further decimate the country, but figure out how to work with them on common ground. Israel and the US became friends with Egypt and Jordan after decades of fighting. If Trump wanted a real legacy, make that happen with Iran.

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I think that's what Trump is attempting, or something similar. The goal is not regime change per se. The goal is to weaken and degrade the regime enough so that the people can take destiny in their hands and retake their country. These are the same Iranians who have been victimized by this regime for 47 years; whose family members, friends & neighbors were slaughtered earlier this year for peaceful protests (40-50k); and who celebrated the death of the Ayatollah with dancing in the streets and chants of "Thank you Trump" and "Thank you Israel." It's a bold gamble and might just work.

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The milk has been spilled now. This regime can't be negotiated with like Egypt and Jordan. Totally different circumstances and motivation. The only way out that bodes well for the future is to force a regime change. The only way to do that is continued suppression of their military capability, and by taking control of Iran's economy with a coalition of gulf states and others, and using that as a means to create a provisional government under the coalition. A coalition has to take control of the oil transport facilities at Kharg island, and possibly the major oil fields along the coastal aresa of Western Iran. The IRGC has to be cut off from oil revenue and other funds.

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