New Ian McCaw Deposition

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REX
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Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact
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REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact



Had that person never watched sports in their life?
REX
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boognish_bear said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact



Had that person never watched sports in their life?

Liberal female Philly lawyers?
Probably not
RioRata
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boognish_bear said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact



Had that person never watched sports in their life?

They just hate blacks. Same as the BoR.
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REX said:

boognish_bear said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact



Had that person never watched sports in their life?

Liberal female Philly lawyers?
Probably not

They were too busy licking carpet.
NoBSU
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REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
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NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
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Malbec said:

NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
Yea, several were saying that back in 2016 when this broke.
NoBSU
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Forest Bueller said:

Malbec said:

NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
Yea, several were saying that back in 2016 when this broke.
I'm not interested in several. I was replying to one specific poster. If you know for a fact then you know the specific coach that said it. Was it the Defense Line coach or other staff that worked with that position. Many of the the accused players played on the defensive line.
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NoBSU said:

Forest Bueller said:

Malbec said:

NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
Yea, several were saying that back in 2016 when this broke.
I'm not interested in several. I was replying to one specific poster. If you know for a fact then you know the specific coach that said it. Was it the Defense Line coach or other staff that worked with that position. Many of the the accused players played on the defensive line.

I stated it two days after everything went down.
Defensive line coaches boss.
Also has anyone ever wondered that if all of the texts were so damning why did Coach and Shack give PH their phones without putting a Hillary ( whitewash) on it??? They didn't just swarm in one day and take phones the coaches were told the time and day to bring their phones in.
Not guilty
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REX said:

NoBSU said:

Forest Bueller said:

Malbec said:

NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
Yea, several were saying that back in 2016 when this broke.
I'm not interested in several. I was replying to one specific poster. If you know for a fact then you know the specific coach that said it. Was it the Defense Line coach or other staff that worked with that position. Many of the the accused players played on the defensive line.

I stated it two days after everything went down.
Defensive line coaches boss.
Also has anyone ever wondered that if all of the texts were so damning why did Coach and Shack give PH their phones without putting a Hillary ( whitewash) on it??? They didn't just swarm in one day and take phones the coaches were told the time and day to bring their phones in.
Not guilty
Fact

I have a school owned phone. My texts are their business whether I volunteer the phone or they contact AT&T for the print-outs.

Let's see. I have two D line recently convicted of rape driving publicity. Let's pick an obvious place investigate. I know, the BUGWB trombone section. Yeah, that sounds right.
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NoBSU said:

I have a school owned phone. My texts are their business whether I volunteer the phone or they contact AT&T for the print-outs.

Let's see. I have two D line recently convicted of rape driving publicity. Let's pick an obvious place investigate. I know, the BUGWB trombone section. Yeah, that sounds right.
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Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.
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D. C. Bear said:

Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.
You are right DC. Every time there is a discussion about what was happening with the engine at Baylor, certain people want to run the train on to a side track and talk about brakemen instead of engineers. It makes it easy to avoid talking about where the train is heading if everybody is obsessing about porters smoking weed in the luggage car.
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Malbec said:

D. C. Bear said:

Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.
You are right DC. Every time there is a discussion about what was happening with the engine at Baylor, certain people want to run the train on to a side track and talk about brakemen instead of engineers. It makes it easy to avoid talking about where the train is heading if everybody is obsessing about porters smoking weed in the luggage car.
Not me, I've been sounding the horn it was a University wide issue from the start. Too much rug sweeping for it not to be.

Convenient targets who were a part of the campus wide problems, well football of course.

How many frats were accused? How many law school students? How many business majors?

We will never know. Sure not because there weren't a number of them accused, but because the microscope was never aimed in their direction. Why?

Because if the average student body was shown to have fairly numerous accusations, which it did, then it becomes a BAYLOR problem, not a football problem.
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Newsflash

Engel has corrected his account of the letter

this is now how it reads

Barnes writes that he asked the victim and her parents to meet with Baylor's judicial affairs department. They declined. Despite pleading with her to file a report, she declined and left the school.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213993464.html
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D. C. Bear said:

Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.
The Barnes thing is sort of the whole flaw in the FofF. By the way, the Fact part in the FofF is about as factual as anything Rex posts - 2nd or 3rd hand knowledge of selectively released data.

The problem that I have with Barnes instance, the FofF, and many of the posters on this forum is a rush to a conclusion without any context of time. Pages 5-9 line out many failures by Baylor. No time line for this. Lack of reporting training is a key issue. If you have not had basic Title IX training that says you report everything whenever you hear it from great conversation to rumor letting that office sort it out, then how what standard was in place. And what was policy on who to report this to - direct superior or JA or Baylor PD? The FofF doesn't layout policy changes with dates to know if Briles erred in the volleyball reporting from a Title IX policy standpoint. I take Garland ' s depo at its word that he, a department chair and twice interim president, did not know the requirements of a basic policy in education. I think there was not a specific violence against a protected class reporting mandate. That's a Title IX failure on Baylor's part summarized in the FofF.

However, there was a student code policy (as many of us know as a history as a student) referenced in the FofF. The anti-alcohol policy is archaic to most of us but it was there. JA was in place to deal with student code infractions from being in possession of a can of beer to assault/sexual assault. Were there violations from the football staff in reporting to JA? Did they try to keep things away? You guys know the answer to that one even if you are not honest enough to admit it. Hard to violate a Title IX mandate that did not exist.

I think the convictions, failures to implement Title IX opening up the school to millions in liability, and hiding or discouraging complaints are pretty clear reasons to fire Starr, RR, McCaw, and the head of Baylor PD (who had already left). Intentional or not on their part - they were the head of departments that f'ed up.

To me, Briles was a call they could make as the captain of the ship where two sailors just made horrible headlines. How you can make that call without having fired (bought out) RR and McCaw is the cronism that I think is the most harmful to Baylor.

To those so upset over a few controlling regents acting badly: Welcome to the Party! Where have you been the last dozen or so years. Nice that you finally woke your butt up.
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NoBSU said:

D. C. Bear said:

Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.



To those so upset over a few controlling regents acting badly: Welcome to the Party! Where have you been the last dozen or so years. Nice that you finally woke your butt up.
I am certainly guilty of being one of those people not being involved or more engaged. For me, Baylor giving was always like homeowner's insurance. You just write the check every year and don't really think much about it. That is until a tornado completely destroys your house.
"This is not an institution of football."
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Keyser Soze said:

Newsflash

Engel has corrected his account of the letter

this is now how it reads

Barnes writes that he asked the victim and her parents to meet with Baylor's judicial affairs department. They declined. Despite pleading with her to file a report, she declined and left the school.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213993464.html
I guess I didn't read it early enough, I never saw another version.


Quote:

In the letter Barnes writes: "At no time did Coach Briles try to cover this up in any way. We both did what we were told to do in this situation and that was report it to the Athletic Director."

This was still part of the report.


Quote:

"I was told by the AD there was nothing else that could be done since she did not want to report the rape that happened approx' a year prior," he writes.


Quote:

He finished the letter by writing, "Because there is so much wrong information out there and Coach Briles has been accused of a cover-up, my player has fully endorsed me to make a statement. In fact she said Art Briles was a good and faithful man. She appreciated his support and she was very thankful that he kept her name out of this as well."
As was this.

Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213993464.html#storylink=cpy



Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213993464.html#storylink=cpy

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NoBSU said:

D. C. Bear said:

Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.
The Barnes thing is sort of the whole flaw in the FofF. By the way, the Fact part in the FofF is about as factual as anything Rex posts - 2nd or 3rd hand knowledge of selectively released data.

The problem that I have with Barnes instance, the FofF, and many of the posters on this forum is a rush to a conclusion without any context of time. Pages 5-9 line out many failures by Baylor. No time line for this. Lack of reporting training is a key issue. If you have not had basic Title IX training that says you report everything whenever you hear it from great conversation to rumor letting that office sort it out, then how what standard was in place. And what was policy on who to report this to - direct superior or JA or Baylor PD? The FofF doesn't layout policy changes with dates to know if Briles erred in the volleyball reporting from a Title IX policy standpoint. I take Garland ' s depo at its word that he, a department chair and twice interim president, did not know the requirements of a basic policy in education. I think there was not a specific violence against a protected class reporting mandate. That's a Title IX failure on Baylor's part summarized in the FofF.

However, there was a student code policy (as many of us know as a history as a student) referenced in the FofF. The anti-alcohol policy is archaic to most of us but it was there. JA was in place to deal with student code infractions from being in possession of a can of beer to assault/sexual assault. Were there violations from the football staff in reporting to JA? Did they try to keep things away? You guys know the answer to that one even if you are not honest enough to admit it. Hard to violate a Title IX mandate that did not exist.

I think the convictions, failures to implement Title IX opening up the school to millions in liability, and hiding or discouraging complaints are pretty clear reasons to fire Starr, RR, McCaw, and the head of Baylor PD (who had already left). Intentional or not on their part - they were the head of departments that f'ed up.

To me, Briles was a call they could make as the captain of the ship where two sailors just made horrible headlines. How you can make that call without having fired (bought out) RR and McCaw is the cronism that I think is the most harmful to Baylor.

To those so upset over a few controlling regents acting badly: Welcome to the Party! Where have you been the last dozen or so years. Nice that you finally woke your butt up.
Been here all along.
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Ding ding!
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In the original version Engel said the the parents met with JA as opposed to the corrected had a meeting about reporting to JA.

This was a big point as Baylor was very clear no - which would include parents and victim - report this to JA
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REX said:

Amarillobear said:



I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

If you know so much what was the answer the assistant coach gave him?
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Thee University said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:



I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

If you know so much what was the answer the assistant coach gave him?

Cause they are really good?
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Keyser Soze said:

In the original version Engel said the the parents met with JA as opposed to the corrected had a meeting about reporting to JA.

This was a big point as Baylor was very clear no - which would include parents and victim - report this to JA
Sorry I missed the original. Thank you for the original message.


That is a real difference. I read it as Barnes and Briles both were trying to do the right thing for her and she just didn't want to follow through with it, and they didn't really know what more to do.
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Forest Bueller said:

Malbec said:

D. C. Bear said:

Y'all keep going back and forth about Briles, but this is about Baylor. If Barnes' letter as reported is accurate, it seems that Baylor acted in a despicable and duplicitous manner in how it framed information in the volleyball player's case. If that is in fact true, it is good evidence for part of what the lawyer claimed about Baylor in the filing that was based on McCaw's deposition.
You are right DC. Every time there is a discussion about what was happening with the engine at Baylor, certain people want to run the train on to a side track and talk about brakemen instead of engineers. It makes it easy to avoid talking about where the train is heading if everybody is obsessing about porters smoking weed in the luggage car.
Not me, I've been sounding the horn it was a University wide issue from the start. Too much rug sweeping for it not to be.

Convenient targets who were a part of the campus wide problems, well football of course.

How many frats were accused? How many law school students? How many business majors?

We will never know. Sure not because there weren't a number of them accused, but because the microscope was never aimed in their direction. Why?

Because if the average student body was shown to have fairly numerous accusations, which it did, then it becomes a BAYLOR problem, not a football problem.
A train is a proper metaphor to use for your post. A running train ends up at the end of the pre-launch tracks. In your case, it is that football was an improper focus.

I think you and I were some of the first to point out that the reporting numbers were very low. That the data tossed out by Baylir in the WSJ and by others like Crawford indicated a problem at Baylor.

My contention with your post is that the need to address the overall problem at Baylor does not negate the common policy that when an organization is embarrassed then heads will roll. I personally adhere to the old 1990's business adage that in Japan corporations fix problems and in America corporations fix blame. That is why Japan has been a leader in lean manufacturing while many US manufacturers fixate on a Six Sigma project or two all while leaning (cutting) staffing numbers. As misguided as the heads will roll philosophy is in America, I know it when I see it. I accept it as a stupid business practice and not a plot.

The Phi Delt president was indicted for SA. What is the status of that fraternity? Are you saying that if he is say an accounting major then we should also focus discipline of the Accounting department and/or Hankamer? If it happened at a fraternity party, then it seems the proper focus is in place.

The general problem is a tough nut to crack. I pass by posters in the hallway that encourage calls to various departments to get help medical and counseling assistance for a SA. That ask people to report violence or intimidation between towards students. The campaign involves many other mediums and lots of staff training to show effect. It is a slow process that starts with belief that all complaints should be reported and treated seriously. That includes reports by women that don't call the police. Several posters here (not you FB) seem to post the party line this week that Baylor has a problem with SA. That seems to imply that with their past posts stating that there were no football rapes, then we have angels on the football team or some pretty biased posters.

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REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:



Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact



Does it make them unqualified to investigate because they aren't sports fans? Obviously, they never heard of Jimmy The Greek.
Finally, PH and the former regime have something in common. Neither side knew what they otherside did or understood their profession. Conference Savior Ken hired them as investigators, not sports experts.
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Thee University said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:



I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

If you know so much what was the answer the assistant coach gave him?
This is the part of the "derail" that get placed on you, xiled, keyser, and me but NEVER is placed on Rex and others. They are encouraged to drop in a few lines when it supports their cause. I don't think he lies. Just maybe considers 3rd or 4th hand always to be fact. But I think he has heard dirt as well.
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Keyser Soze said:

Newsflash

Engel has corrected his account of the letter

this is now how it reads

Barnes writes that he asked the victim and her parents to meet with Baylor's judicial affairs department. They declined. Despite pleading with her to file a report, she declined and left the school.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article213993464.html


Those old fossils need to retire. I haven't read them since Randy Galloway retired. Randy produced great work.

Speaking of Galloways, Gale is about one zero short on that $10k to make it interesting. $7,500 after taxes won't get anyone interested in going down to Waco and finding dirt or whatever Galloway wants people to produce on Briles. Very insulting to professional investigators and people who do for a living. I know an old rooster fighter and private investigator who said he wouldn't expect any return for such little reward. "Add a zero."

Nobsu, remember the "zero rapes" was pumped by Ian and his supporters while one serial rapist is doing 20 years.
It's proving time for Ian.
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REX said:

NoBSU said:

Forest Bueller said:

Malbec said:

NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:

ROK

Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
Yea, several were saying that back in 2016 when this broke.
I'm not interested in several. I was replying to one specific poster. If you know for a fact then you know the specific coach that said it. Was it the Defense Line coach or other staff that worked with that position. Many of the the accused players played on the defensive line.

I stated it two days after everything went down.
Defensive line coaches boss.
Also has anyone ever wondered that if all of the texts were so damning why did Coach and Shack give PH their phones without putting a Hillary ( whitewash) on it??? They didn't just swarm in one day and take phones the coaches were told the time and day to bring their phones in.
Not guilty
Fact

I'm lost in this.

Is your point that he was literally dumb enough to share texts where Briles asked if a massage therapist was a stripper or hooker?

Because that didn't look good. Just fyi.
This site leaks private information to Baylor Regents and Administration
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JXL said:

If those allegations are true, anyone with an ounce of integrity would have resigned long before being fired.

Xiled: You said all along that McCaw was a POS. I didn't believe you. You were right.
Give me a break - Xi has done nothing but run down Briles and defend the BOR. He has been almost exclusively wrong, but worse than that, he's been wreckless with a lot of his comments. I'm sure there were some good board members, but as a collective group, this looks really bad. Grunt nailed it when he noted that McCaw was testifying under oath under the penalty of perjury, and thus, has no reason not to be completely truthful.

I'm usually pretty skeptical about what I read, so I've been unwilling to condemn Briles because I just hadn't seen the evidence to justify the accusations. Now I'm hearing stuff equally hard to fathom about our BOR. I do blame the BOR for how they treated Briles but this? . . . I'm still trying to wrap my mind around everything, and I'm only on page 2 of this thread.
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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

REX said:

NoBSU said:

Forest Bueller said:

Malbec said:

NoBSU said:

REX said:

Amarillobear said:

xiledinok said:

Stranger said:

quash said:

boognish_bear said:

ROK

Matt may have missed the part where McCaw acknowledged his mistakes in all this.


I'm with Matt on this. Ian was a weakling as an AD. What he testified was probably mostly true but he was part and parcel complicit in every bit of it. He was the hired lackey of the BOR. Did he play a role in everything he described? Most likely.

It was all his version of the truth. CYA.

This is the most credible poster on this board. The fastest way to catch up what is the truth is to read him like the Bible.

Ian comes out two years after the fact to throw out the race card. He was holding hands with those he now calls racist.
I believe it was Pepper Hamilton that made mention of black athletes having consensual sex with white girls.





I know for an absolute fact that PH asked one of the assistant coaches why there were so many black athletes on the team.
Fact

Couple of years of making posts on this board and you trot that one out there now. Convenient timing for a memory recall, fact.
Not a new revelation.
Yea, several were saying that back in 2016 when this broke.
I'm not interested in several. I was replying to one specific poster. If you know for a fact then you know the specific coach that said it. Was it the Defense Line coach or other staff that worked with that position. Many of the the accused players played on the defensive line.

I stated it two days after everything went down.
Defensive line coaches boss.
Also has anyone ever wondered that if all of the texts were so damning why did Coach and Shack give PH their phones without putting a Hillary ( whitewash) on it??? They didn't just swarm in one day and take phones the coaches were told the time and day to bring their phones in.
Not guilty
Fact

I'm lost in this.

Is your point that he was literally dumb enough to share texts where Briles asked if a massage therapist was a stripper or hooker?

Because that didn't look good. Just fyi.
I see worse posted on these public forums by some every day.
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Chuckroast said:

JXL said:

If those allegations are true, anyone with an ounce of integrity would have resigned long before being fired.

Xiled: You said all along that McCaw was a POS. I didn't believe you. You were right.
Give me a break - Xi has done nothing but run down Briles and defend the BOR. He has been almost exclusively wrong, but worse than that, he's been wreckless with a lot of his comments. I'm sure there were some good board members, but as a collective group, this looks really bad. Grunt nailed it when he noted that McCaw was testifying under oath under the penalty of perjury, and thus, has no reason not to be completely truthful.

I'm usually pretty skeptical about what I read, so I've been unwilling to condemn Briles because I just hadn't seen the evidence to justify the accusations. Now I'm hearing stuff equally hard to fathom about our BOR. I do blame the BOR for how they treated Briles but this? . . . I'm still trying to wrap my mind around everything, and I'm only on page 2 of this thread.


Hold on there.
Who came up with the term "rogue regents" to describe a few of them and who exposed Willis as a ***** pump supplier? They never got a pass but made a choice to shut up and move on from it. The aren't running around like they had there tails just cut off.
Just because I don't support the past doesn't mean I don't want change on the board.
It would go from 39 to about 12 if x was in charge but I m not and I don't think I can muster a couple of hundred million to move their opinions.

Ian played it loose and fast. Name the racists and give specifics.
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xiledinok said:

Chuckroast said:

JXL said:

If those allegations are true, anyone with an ounce of integrity would have resigned long before being fired.

Xiled: You said all along that McCaw was a POS. I didn't believe you. You were right.
Give me a break - Xi has done nothing but run down Briles and defend the BOR. He has been almost exclusively wrong, but worse than that, he's been wreckless with a lot of his comments. I'm sure there were some good board members, but as a collective group, this looks really bad. Grunt nailed it when he noted that McCaw was testifying under oath under the penalty of perjury, and thus, has no reason not to be completely truthful.

I'm usually pretty skeptical about what I read, so I've been unwilling to condemn Briles because I just hadn't seen the evidence to justify the accusations. Now I'm hearing stuff equally hard to fathom about our BOR. I do blame the BOR for how they treated Briles but this? . . . I'm still trying to wrap my mind around everything, and I'm only on page 2 of this thread.




Name the racists and give specifics.
One thing is certain. It was not any of the minority members of the BOR.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
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80sBEAR said:

xiledinok said:

Chuckroast said:

JXL said:

If those allegations are true, anyone with an ounce of integrity would have resigned long before being fired.

Xiled: You said all along that McCaw was a POS. I didn't believe you. You were right.
Give me a break - Xi has done nothing but run down Briles and defend the BOR. He has been almost exclusively wrong, but worse than that, he's been wreckless with a lot of his comments. I'm sure there were some good board members, but as a collective group, this looks really bad. Grunt nailed it when he noted that McCaw was testifying under oath under the penalty of perjury, and thus, has no reason not to be completely truthful.

I'm usually pretty skeptical about what I read, so I've been unwilling to condemn Briles because I just hadn't seen the evidence to justify the accusations. Now I'm hearing stuff equally hard to fathom about our BOR. I do blame the BOR for how they treated Briles but this? . . . I'm still trying to wrap my mind around everything, and I'm only on page 2 of this thread.




Name the racists and give specifics.
One thing is certain. It was not any of the minority members of the BOR.


Rex will tell you it's those "liberal" women on the regent board.
I couldn't find a school that liberals would consider conservative and off limits to minorities more than Liberty.
Ian, you lowered yourself to a political pundit.
 
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