ScrappyPaws said:

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My issue with all this garbage is that Thee, Keyser, and so many others think that this culture was something new (it wasn't), that it was a departure from what is found on college campuses across the country (it's not), and that Briles' attitude/actions/inaction was the catalyst for this culture (he wasn't fixing what was a decades-long issue but to say he caused it is to ignore the heart of the issue).

Sexual assault and the reporting of sexual assault has been trending up for years. Baylor had propagated a don't ask, don't tell mentality for a long time (regarding ALL things of questionable morality). The inherent conflict between those two is what led to the debacle we've all gone through. I was very familiar with this disconnect during both Morris' and Briles' tenures and I promise you Briles' ran a much cleaner operation than GuyMo ever did.

When you grasp that reality and revisit the entire scenario our reaction makes little sense. I firmly believe that had the BoR been truly interested in positive change, CAB was the person best positioned to bring it to fruition. But, that would have required acknowledging that the system itself was broken.

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Tap the breaks there.

Kids screwing up is new. The issue was that the coaching staff was shielding players from the consequences of their actions (ie not reporting to Judicial Affairs). I am sure other staffs did not report every drunk player, but Briles had a whole system in place to keep guys out of trouble. Most of it was not sexual assault, but there was a great deal of bad stuff and a lot of lies told to Baylor by Briles, coaches, and the AD office.

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NoBSU said:

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GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Not so sure about that. The point of the whole matter is the school should have known about her regardless of her elections. She may not have even left Baylor had she been made aware of all the options available to her.

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Malbec is correct. She didn't tell anyone until almost a year later and she did it the day before her parents were picking her up to go back home a long way from Baylor. Barnes pleaded with her to report to police, JA, counselors, anyone and she completely shut it down. Mother came next day and said they did not want her to report. The exact words were, "we don't want her to be known as a snitch". Not sure what is up with that, but the family did not want to report and went back out of state. The reason PH reported highly on Barnes' response is because he tried everything he could. But the family said no. (Doesn't matter what the victems law suit says this is how it happened .)

After this Barnes asked Ian what could possibly be done and he repeated, at this point if she doesn't report it there is nothing that can be done. No report can be made without her. Which was a lie.

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GG,

The Baylor Employment Manual is archived on the Wayback Machine. It is captured fully over a decade. No mention of Title 9 specifics until well after they started a specific department. Hopefully lawsuit discovery produces something at a trial to fill us in someday. The Garland deposition was a dryhole.

Judicial Affairs was not an efficient parralel in hindsight, but it was there to report issues. If you were aware of something unethical, illegal, or improper then you reported it to your direct superior. If you were happy with the result then you were done. If dissatisfied, there was a list of topics and who to report above your supervisor. For a sexual assault that complaint of inaction was reportedly direct to Bethany McCraw in JA. Barnes would have had whistle-blower protection.

I think that we both know that jumping over an AD and reporting a Sexual Assault directly to McCraw would have had the AD and RR out for Barnes. He would have had a great basis for a retaliation lawsuit but a dead career at Baylor. Barnes had an additional option per the employment manual. No way to spin that. Very few here including me would have taken that option.

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Numerous very good people knew of VB player story at some point in that time period. None went to JA to make their own report without her permission. Were they all bad people? Or was training inadequate? That's an easy question to answer if you don't have a strong agenda.

The fact that this is the BOR's bell cow against Briles speaks volumes.

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You have an agenda. That is certain.

I did not say they were bad people. He had a path and DID NOT NEED HER PERMISSION.

If you know the mandatory nature or lack thereof for Sexual Assaults at that time, then post a link. I basically have given a link to to access the archived Employee Manual at that time. If you need to know how to operate the Wayback Machine then I will help. You never provide anything but your opinion and claim it is already proven. It isn't.

Keyser Soze said:

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ScrappyPaws said:

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My issue with all this garbage is that Thee, Keyser, and so many others think that this culture was something new (it wasn't), that it was a departure from what is found on college campuses across the country (it's not), and that Briles' attitude/actions/inaction was the catalyst for this culture (he wasn't fixing what was a decades-long issue but to say he caused it is to ignore the heart of the issue).

Sexual assault and the reporting of sexual assault has been trending up for years. Baylor had propagated a don't ask, don't tell mentality for a long time (regarding ALL things of questionable morality). The inherent conflict between those two is what led to the debacle we've all gone through. I was very familiar with this disconnect during both Morris' and Briles' tenures and I promise you Briles' ran a much cleaner operation than GuyMo ever did.

When you grasp that reality and revisit the entire scenario our reaction makes little sense. I firmly believe that had the BoR been truly interested in positive change, CAB was the person best positioned to bring it to fruition. But, that would have required acknowledging that the system itself was broken.

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Tap the breaks there.

Kids screwing up is new. The issue was that the coaching staff was shielding players from the consequences of their actions (ie not reporting to Judicial Affairs). I am sure other staffs did not report every drunk player, but Briles had a whole system in place to keep guys out of trouble. Most of it was not sexual assault, but there was a great deal of bad stuff and a lot of lies told to Baylor by Briles, coaches, and the AD office.

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and by Baylor PD, Waco PD, Reagan Ramshower.... and that is just how Baylor wanted it for 168 years....

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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ScrappyPaws said:

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My issue with all this garbage is that Thee, Keyser, and so many others think that this culture was something new (it wasn't), that it was a departure from what is found on college campuses across the country (it's not), and that Briles' attitude/actions/inaction was the catalyst for this culture (he wasn't fixing what was a decades-long issue but to say he caused it is to ignore the heart of the issue).

Sexual assault and the reporting of sexual assault has been trending up for years. Baylor had propagated a don't ask, don't tell mentality for a long time (regarding ALL things of questionable morality). The inherent conflict between those two is what led to the debacle we've all gone through. I was very familiar with this disconnect during both Morris' and Briles' tenures and I promise you Briles' ran a much cleaner operation than GuyMo ever did.

When you grasp that reality and revisit the entire scenario our reaction makes little sense. I firmly believe that had the BoR been truly interested in positive change, CAB was the person best positioned to bring it to fruition. But, that would have required acknowledging that the system itself was broken.

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Tap the breaks there.

Kids screwing up is new. The issue was that the coaching staff was shielding players from the consequences of their actions (ie not reporting to Judicial Affairs). I am sure other staffs did not report every drunk player, but Briles had a whole system in place to keep guys out of trouble. Most of it was not sexual assault, but there was a great deal of bad stuff and a lot of lies told to Baylor by Briles, coaches, and the AD office.

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and by Baylor PD, Waco PD, Reagan Ramshower.... and that is just how Baylor wanted it for 168 years....

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I agree. And when two of your players break out of the system of control receiving Sexual Assault convictions, then you are getting the axe.

It is a complex issue full of people that I think are good people and people that I think are bad people. It isn't as simple as Briles is good and the BOR is bad. The BOR has earned it's cleansing for over a decade. Cleanse away. But understand that Tevin Elliot and Sam U made Briles the focal point of SA at Baylor.

The BOR has done what it has done post-Sloan and pre-Sloan, masquerade as super-Christian, business geniuses and let good people suffer.

Still ain't figured out why someone took the time to message me telling me they were putting me on ignore with, "if your aim was to be the new Golem.... Mission Accomplished.... welcome to ignore", while at the same time they were in a heated argument with two OTHER posters on these boards.

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Still ain't figured out why someone took the time to message me telling me they were putting me on ignore with, "if your aim was to be the new Golem.... Mission Accomplished.... welcome to ignore", while at the same time they were in a heated argument with two OTHER posters on these boards.

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Why on Baylorfans did people take the time to send someone a negative rep and sign it with another posters name? A software update took care of happening.

There are about 4 posters on R&P that need to be banned from starting threads. Let them post but eliminate their clutter. My picks would take two from each extreme.

That reminds me of another point about here and Baylorfans. There are just a few people on extreme positions on each topic. The rest of us are someplace in between. More people need to realize that.

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Robert Wilson said:

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NoBSU said:

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GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Not so sure about that. The point of the whole matter is the school should have known about her regardless of her elections. She may not have even left Baylor had she been made aware of all the options available to her.

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Malbec is correct. She didn't tell anyone until almost a year later and she did it the day before her parents were picking her up to go back home a long way from Baylor. Barnes pleaded with her to report to police, JA, counselors, anyone and she completely shut it down. Mother came next day and said they did not want her to report. The exact words were, "we don't want her to be known as a snitch". Not sure what is up with that, but the family did not want to report and went back out of state. The reason PH reported highly on Barnes' response is because he tried everything he could. But the family said no. (Doesn't matter what the victems law suit says this is how it happened .)

After this Barnes asked Ian what could possibly be done and he repeated, at this point if she doesn't report it there is nothing that can be done. No report can be made without her. Which was a lie.

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GG,

The Baylor Employment Manual is archived on the Wayback Machine. It is captured fully over a decade. No mention of Title 9 specifics until well after they started a specific department. Hopefully lawsuit discovery produces something at a trial to fill us in someday. The Garland deposition was a dryhole.

Judicial Affairs was not an efficient parralel in hindsight, but it was there to report issues. If you were aware of something unethical, illegal, or improper then you reported it to your direct superior. If you were happy with the result then you were done. If dissatisfied, there was a list of topics and who to report above your supervisor. For a sexual assault that complaint of inaction was reportedly direct to Bethany McCraw in JA. Barnes would have had whistle-blower protection.

I think that we both know that jumping over an AD and reporting a Sexual Assault directly to McCraw would have had the AD and RR out for Barnes. He would have had a great basis for a retaliation lawsuit but a dead career at Baylor. Barnes had an additional option per the employment manual. No way to spin that. Very few here including me would have taken that option.

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Numerous very good people knew of VB player story at some point in that time period. None went to JA to make their own report without her permission. Were they all bad people? Or was training inadequate? That's an easy question to answer if you don't have a strong agenda.

The fact that this is the BOR's bell cow against Briles speaks volumes.

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You have an agenda. That is certain.

I did not say they were bad people. He had a path and DID NOT NEED HER PERMISSION.

If you know the mandatory nature or lack thereof for Sexual Assaults at that time, then post a link. I basically have given a link to to access the archived Employee Manual at that time. If you need to know how to operate the Wayback Machine then I will help. You never provide anything but your opinion and claim it is already proven. It isn't.

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I have no agenda. I do have a swag and think Baylor screwed up badly. I posted facts. You posted half-intelligible babble. I'm not sure why you're so mad, but it's a waste of time. And I won't waste anymore of my time on it.

Robert Wilson said:

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NoBSU said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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NoBSU said:

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GG1234 said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Not so sure about that. The point of the whole matter is the school should have known about her regardless of her elections. She may not have even left Baylor had she been made aware of all the options available to her.

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Malbec is correct. She didn't tell anyone until almost a year later and she did it the day before her parents were picking her up to go back home a long way from Baylor. Barnes pleaded with her to report to police, JA, counselors, anyone and she completely shut it down. Mother came next day and said they did not want her to report. The exact words were, "we don't want her to be known as a snitch". Not sure what is up with that, but the family did not want to report and went back out of state. The reason PH reported highly on Barnes' response is because he tried everything he could. But the family said no. (Doesn't matter what the victems law suit says this is how it happened .)

After this Barnes asked Ian what could possibly be done and he repeated, at this point if she doesn't report it there is nothing that can be done. No report can be made without her. Which was a lie.

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GG,

The Baylor Employment Manual is archived on the Wayback Machine. It is captured fully over a decade. No mention of Title 9 specifics until well after they started a specific department. Hopefully lawsuit discovery produces something at a trial to fill us in someday. The Garland deposition was a dryhole.

Judicial Affairs was not an efficient parralel in hindsight, but it was there to report issues. If you were aware of something unethical, illegal, or improper then you reported it to your direct superior. If you were happy with the result then you were done. If dissatisfied, there was a list of topics and who to report above your supervisor. For a sexual assault that complaint of inaction was reportedly direct to Bethany McCraw in JA. Barnes would have had whistle-blower protection.

I think that we both know that jumping over an AD and reporting a Sexual Assault directly to McCraw would have had the AD and RR out for Barnes. He would have had a great basis for a retaliation lawsuit but a dead career at Baylor. Barnes had an additional option per the employment manual. No way to spin that. Very few here including me would have taken that option.

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Numerous very good people knew of VB player story at some point in that time period. None went to JA to make their own report without her permission. Were they all bad people? Or was training inadequate? That's an easy question to answer if you don't have a strong agenda.

The fact that this is the BOR's bell cow against Briles speaks volumes.

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You have an agenda. That is certain.

I did not say they were bad people. He had a path and DID NOT NEED HER PERMISSION.

If you know the mandatory nature or lack thereof for Sexual Assaults at that time, then post a link. I basically have given a link to to access the archived Employee Manual at that time. If you need to know how to operate the Wayback Machine then I will help. You never provide anything but your opinion and claim it is already proven. It isn't.

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I have no agenda. I do have a swag and think Baylor screwed up badly. I posted facts. You posted half-intelligible babble. I'm not sure why you're so mad, but it's a waste of time. And I won't waste anymore of my time on it.

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You add little so that is probably best. Not mad. This is just me when I am very direct.

I posted the way to find Baylor's employee manual for the last 10 years. You need the Web address of the manual, then plug that into the Wayback Machine which has the employee manual archived for a decade. That is pretty significant if you care about discussing actual facts about reporting avenues and responsibilities.

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Numerous very good people knew of VB player story at some point in that time period. None went to JA to make their own report without her permission. Were they all bad people? Or was training inadequate? That's an easy question to answer if you don't have a strong agenda.

The fact that this is the BOR's bell cow against Briles speaks volumes.

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This is so on the money. You guys need to pay close attention to this post. There is way more to this thing than what some of you are willing to admit.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Numerous very good people knew of VB player story at some point in that time period. None went to JA to make their own report without her permission. Were they all bad people? Or was training inadequate? That's an easy question to answer if you don't have a strong agenda.

The fact that this is the BOR's bell cow against Briles speaks volumes.

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This is so on the money. You guys need to pay close attention to this post. There is way more to this thing than what some of you are willing to admit.

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This is the event often discussed here and it is the event that those close to Briles mentioned the Barnes sworn statement. That is a very long way from this is the BOR bell cow. I'm not sure what the BOR has on Briles or if they fired him for any other reason than he had two players convicted that hit the press. Hit it hard.

The long way that we have come is to actually not stoop to pisting that she is a lying, greedy ***** and are actually discussing the reporting issue. So I guess the alleged ban of Robemcdo has helped. Without knowing the T9 training at the time, I am not sure how we resolve the Sicem debate without a case going to trial and actual training material admitted into evidence.

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So I've never asked you this personally, but why do you not like CAB? Y'all met on a recruiting trip back in the day right? Just curious and it is nothing more than a question about your personal feelings for him. Would you care to share?

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Its real simple.

I hold him responsible, more than anyone associated with Baylor, for allowing our current fiasco to bring us to this point. He could have prevented it. He could have stopped it. He could have lessened the impact.

He chose to remain unattached and seemingly aloof.

When someone brings Baylor Football down to the depths it has been brought to, a program I helped build, I tend to distance myself from them. I have skin in the game that probably 95% of poster's on this board can not identify with. I was allowed to enter the Baylor Football program for 4 years. When I left Baylor the football program was in much better shape than when I got there. I was proud of this FACT.

Sure, winning was fun but I'd rather Baylor be an 8-4 or 10-2 without the discipline problems and nationwide black eyes. We did it before. We can do it again.

Art let me down.

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So you think Art was supposed to change BU culture in so far as how they viewed victims of sexual assault? And implement title IX reforms campus wide ?

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Thee University said:

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So I've never asked you this personally, but why do you not like CAB? Y'all met on a recruiting trip back in the day right? Just curious and it is nothing more than a question about your personal feelings for him. Would you care to share?

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Its real simple.

I hold him responsible, more than anyone associated with Baylor, for allowing our current fiasco to bring us to this point. He could have prevented it. He could have stopped it. He could have lessened the impact.

He chose to remain unattached and seemingly aloof.

When someone brings Baylor Football down to the depths it has been brought to, a program I helped build, I tend to distance myself from them. I have skin in the game that probably 95% of poster's on this board can not identify with. I was allowed to enter the Baylor Football program for 4 years. When I left Baylor the football program was in much better shape than when I got there. I was proud of this FACT.

Sure, winning was fun but I'd rather Baylor be an 8-4 or 10-2 without the discipline problems and nationwide black eyes. We did it before. We can do it again.

Art let me down.

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So you think Art was supposed to change BU culture in so far as how they viewed victims of sexual assault? And implement title IX reforms campus wide ?

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The "culture" problem with football was about being above the rules. That it's OK to lie and deceive authorities so long as we keep kids on the field. Just win baby ! Sexual Assault was just a small subset of the whole. ..... not all, but plenty of that culture was not here before Art .

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Thee University said:

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TheAgentGrant said:

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So I've never asked you this personally, but why do you not like CAB? Y'all met on a recruiting trip back in the day right? Just curious and it is nothing more than a question about your personal feelings for him. Would you care to share?

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Its real simple.

I hold him responsible, more than anyone associated with Baylor, for allowing our current fiasco to bring us to this point. He could have prevented it. He could have stopped it. He could have lessened the impact.

He chose to remain unattached and seemingly aloof.

When someone brings Baylor Football down to the depths it has been brought to, a program I helped build, I tend to distance myself from them. I have skin in the game that probably 95% of poster's on this board can not identify with. I was allowed to enter the Baylor Football program for 4 years. When I left Baylor the football program was in much better shape than when I got there. I was proud of this FACT.

Sure, winning was fun but I'd rather Baylor be an 8-4 or 10-2 without the discipline problems and nationwide black eyes. We did it before. We can do it again.

Art let me down.

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So you think Art was supposed to change BU culture in so far as how they viewed victims of sexual assault? And implement title IX reforms campus wide ?

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Art exposed them to mega liability. Maybe next time Ian and him won't text messages about avoiding and hiding problems. It will help them next time to avoid burying problems.
Our trash blew everywhere and then the former regime decided to burn up the place. Unfortunately for them, they suck at sabotaging things and ended up getting burned up in their own tank.
Tweeting stupidly sure helped the regents. Most thought the coaches were a public nuisance at this point.

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Still ain't figured out why someone took the time to message me telling me they were putting me on ignore with, "if your aim was to be the new Golem.... Mission Accomplished.... welcome to ignore", while at the same time they were in a heated argument with two OTHER posters on these boards.

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Why on Baylorfans did people take the time to send someone a negative rep and sign it with another posters name? A software update took care of happening.

There are about 4 posters on R&P that need to be banned from starting threads. Let them post but eliminate their clutter. My picks would take two from each extreme.

That reminds me of another point about here and Baylorfans. There are just a few people on extreme positions on each topic. The rest of us are someplace in between. More people need to realize that.

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Really the last paragraph is spot on 100%

Keyser Soze said:

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Eball said:

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Thee University said:

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TheAgentGrant said:

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So I've never asked you this personally, but why do you not like CAB? Y'all met on a recruiting trip back in the day right? Just curious and it is nothing more than a question about your personal feelings for him. Would you care to share?

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Its real simple.

I hold him responsible, more than anyone associated with Baylor, for allowing our current fiasco to bring us to this point. He could have prevented it. He could have stopped it. He could have lessened the impact.

He chose to remain unattached and seemingly aloof.

When someone brings Baylor Football down to the depths it has been brought to, a program I helped build, I tend to distance myself from them. I have skin in the game that probably 95% of poster's on this board can not identify with. I was allowed to enter the Baylor Football program for 4 years. When I left Baylor the football program was in much better shape than when I got there. I was proud of this FACT.

Sure, winning was fun but I'd rather Baylor be an 8-4 or 10-2 without the discipline problems and nationwide black eyes. We did it before. We can do it again.

Art let me down.

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So you think Art was supposed to change BU culture in so far as how they viewed victims of sexual assault? And implement title IX reforms campus wide ?

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The "culture" problem with football was about being above the rules. That it's OK to lie and deceive authorities so long as we keep kids on the field. Just win baby ! Sexual Assault was just a small subset of the whole. ..... not all, but plenty of that culture was not here before Art .

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It was okay to hide Sexual Assault in the 80s when I was there. That didn't change even with T9. But you have to manage it. Keep the players under control. If not then the "violation of team rules" is quoted as to the suspension and transfer. Let the real reason hit the press and you pay.

The problem with the BOR is that you have a few nasty Machiavelli princes and a bunch of sheep. The princes roll heads and then wash their hands. The sheep cry out to God. The problem for the princes wasn't that Tevin Elliot, Sam U, or any other football players raped Baylor coeds. The problem for the princes is that the press found out about it. The problem for the princes is that Briles didn't report the VB to JA. The problem for the princes is that PH found out about it.

There are no moral winners here except maybe Barnes who it appears was trying to help a player and tried to help a fellow coach. How did that work out for him with the centerpoint of this thread - Ian.

If you read BU's own statements, those that were official releases, and those made by the regents who spoke, and if you look at who was fired, you know that this is the bell cow. It's plain. Now you can make all the rationalizations about text messages and the like as being reason enough to fire Briles, but text messages weren't causing regents to cry out to God. They used this case. There are some very simple questions with obvious answers that should make everyone take pause to examine their position on what went down.

The BOR should be removed for simply being present at the time of the scandal and failing on PR alone. That's enough to warrant removal.

You don't even need to acknowledge that they blamed football so they wouldn't be held personally liable for doing absolutely nothing about a campus wide problem...all because they wanted the impression that under their watch "Baylor can do no wrong" and "we don't have those kinds of students under our supervision".

Ya'll its over.
This is pointless to argue over.

Briles and Co. laid on a grenade and were only complicit in the cover up because they weren't properly trained, guided, or had the tools and procedures when their only job was to coach football: 100% blame goes to the higher ups beyond them.

It was Briles own word versus bureaucrats, several multi millionaires, dishonest rabid media and a corrupt law firm.

The only thing you need to worry about is what scandal will happen next.

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If you read BU's own statements, those that were official releases, and those made by the regents who spoke, and if you look at who was fired, you know that this is the bell cow. It's plain. Now you can make all the rationalizations about text messages and the like as being reason enough to fire Briles, but text messages weren't causing regents to cry out to God. They used this case. There are some very simple questions with obvious answers that should make everyone take pause to examine their position on what went down.

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The Lawyering in those suits against Baylor really did not help in any way.

"[The] Plaintiff's sexual assault, like countless others, occurred during what has become known as the most violent and atrocious in school history," the lawsuit said.



Countless, sure just a word thrown out there to maximize the payout for the VB player, but there were not countless sexual assaults. Grandstanding and exaggerating, though likely maximizing the payout, because BU was in panic mode, really is what the general public was eating up and swallowing without any investigating.

The general public has accepted that there were an innumerable number of gang rapes and other assaults, that most of the football team was involved, involving 50 or more players and that Art Briles actively tried to cover them all up.

The general perception simple isn't truth.

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The BOR should be removed for simply being present at the time of the scandal and failing on PR alone. That's enough to warrant removal.

You don't even need to acknowledge that they blamed football so they wouldn't be held personally liable for doing absolutely nothing about a campus wide problem...all because they wanted the impression that under their watch "Baylor can do no wrong" and "we don't have those kinds of students under our supervision".

Ya'll its over.
This is pointless to argue over.

Briles TOOK $15 MILLION TO LAY on a grenade AND MOVE ON and WAS only complicit BECAUSE HE LIKE MOST IN BAYLOR ADMINISTRATION DID NOT CARE ABOUT POTENTIAL VICTIMS, JUST THE FALL-OUT. blame goes to the higher ups AND beyond THEM TO THE REGENTS.

AFTER HE DIDN'T STAY GONE, It was Briles own word versus bureaucrats, several multi millionaires, dishonest rabid media and a corrupt law firm.

The only thing you need to worry about is what scandal will happen next.

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We aren't very far off. Most of it I agreed with. I fixed the rest for you in all caps.

It doesn't take training to use common sense.
Most everyone understands what happen at Baylor and it will take a time machine to get Ian and Art back where certain posters want them.
I would love to see the regents, Briles and Ian be forced to sit front of tv cameras and answer questions. Watching Briles take off against Rice reminded me that he wasn't prepared or ready in his life for unscripted questions by those he cannot control.

I heard from players that VB players loved to get tagged, but only when it got too rough did she start saying sexual assault. I'm not saying a ho is a ho, but don't you think that when a women agrees to take on 5 plus dudes and then says "number 5 was to agressive for my style" that is kind of an bull**** kind of allegation and why she chose not to press charges?

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I heard from players that VB players loved to get tagged, but only when it got too rough did she start saying sexual assault. I'm not saying a ho is a ho, but don't you think that when a women agrees to take on 5 plus dudes and then says "number 5 was to agressive for my style" that is kind of an bull**** kind of allegation and why she chose not to press charges?

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I kinda think you are saying that.

That's our problem, a video of consent then a video on non-consent?
She's a poor decision maker and a mighty big ****, but that means jack when she backs off consent.
I wouldn't ride that defense but some folks did and they are now considering damaged goods only worth shipping elsewhere.
Those guys and their coach are goners. None can explain themselves and we don't have volunteers saying, "I wuz number 3 and she was consenting."
They won't bother coming out in public to explain themselves. All I need to know on it. Big balls to throw grease on her but too chicken to come out in public and face the public's questions. It is the only prayer they have (even the ones off social media) to convince the public their side of the story.

Not so much. I did hear from players that she invited it.

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Not so much. I did hear from players that she invited it.

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That's the big problem. Cannot rape the willing then once the willing doesn't consent, you have issues.
It wouldn't have been a problem but the video in my opinion. They charcoaled her and then got paid back.

Blaming the victim was cited as a real problem with the "culture"

Here is what the girl claims in her lawsuit

Following the sexual assault, Plaintiff was repeatedly subjected to verbal abuse
and public humiliation by Baylor football players. Baylor football players sent several text
messages to Plaintiff in which they attempted to paint a completely different picture of what had
happened that night. One football player told Plaintiff that it was consensual and that she
"wanted it." That same football player also taunted Plaintiff with claims that a Baylor football
player had taken nude photographs of Plaintiff and other Baylor football players during the gang
rape.

The football players also perpetuated rumors about Plaintiff throughout the Baylor
campus about "riding train" on Plaintiff, a reference to the night they took turns raping her as she
laid there barely conscious.

In late February 2013, a Baylor football player, who would later burglarize
Plaintiff's apartment, also began harassing Plaintiff via text message. The football player told
Plaintiff that he never came on to her because she was "easy" and "like coach said we [Baylor
football players] don't want easy."




Don't really know what is true here, but **** shaming is not a good look.

Keyser Soze said:

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Blaming the victim was cited as a real problem with the "culture"

Here is what the girl claims in her lawsuit

Following the sexual assault, Plaintiff was repeatedly subjected to verbal abuse

and public humiliation by Baylor football players. Baylor football players sent several text
messages to Plaintiff in which they attempted to paint a completely different picture of what had
happened that night. One football player told Plaintiff that it was consensual and that she
"wanted it." That same football player also taunted Plaintiff with claims that a Baylor football
player had taken nude photographs of Plaintiff and other Baylor football players during the gang
rape.

The football players also perpetuated rumors about Plaintiff throughout the Baylor
campus about "riding train" on Plaintiff, a reference to the night they took turns raping her as she
laid there barely conscious.

In late February 2013, a Baylor football player, who would later burglarize

Plaintiff's apartment, also began harassing Plaintiff via text message. The football player told
Plaintiff that he never came on to her because she was "easy" and "like coach said we [Baylor
football players] don't want easy."




Don't really know what is true here, but **** shaming is not a good look.

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Not a good idea. Your coach will end up making headlines, get tagged with "Rape Enabler" and get placed above the fold on the WSJ's weekend edition.

I have issues? Your law degree doesn't impress me you piece of ***** I'm honest and when a women tells guys let's get it on and then changes her story that's a problem.

TheAgentGrant said:

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I have issues? Your law degree doesn't impress me you piece of ***** I'm honest and when a women tells guys let's get it on and then changes her story that's a problem.

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"You" meant the guys in the action.
A degree means nothing, they have problems once she calls off consent.
They love talking about her but not in public. She might be a ***** and a **** but none will go public to tell their side of the story. What do they fear?

TheAgentGrant said:

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I have issues? Your law degree doesn't impress me you piece of ***** I'm honest and when a women tells guys let's get it on and then changes her story that's a problem.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Blaming the victim was cited as a real problem with the "culture"

Here is what the girl claims in her lawsuit

Following the sexual assault, Plaintiff was repeatedly subjected to verbal abuse
and public humiliation by Baylor football players. Baylor football players sent several text
messages to Plaintiff in which they attempted to paint a completely different picture of what had
happened that night. One football player told Plaintiff that it was consensual and that she
"wanted it." That same football player also taunted Plaintiff with claims that a Baylor football
player had taken nude photographs of Plaintiff and other Baylor football players during the gang
rape.

The football players also perpetuated rumors about Plaintiff throughout the Baylor
campus about "riding train" on Plaintiff, a reference to the night they took turns raping her as she
laid there barely conscious.

In late February 2013, a Baylor football player, who would later burglarize
Plaintiff's apartment, also began harassing Plaintiff via text message. The football player told
Plaintiff that he never came on to her because she was "easy" and "like coach said we [Baylor
football players] don't want easy."




Don't really know what is true here, but **** shaming is not a good look.

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Only plaintiff attorney filings paraphrasing Ian are to be believed.

xiledinok said:

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TheAgentGrant said:

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I have issues? Your law degree doesn't impress me you piece of ***** I'm honest and when a women tells guys let's get it on and then changes her story that's a problem.

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"You" meant the guys in the action.
A degree means nothing, they have problems once she calls off consent.

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if she calls off consent the day after or a week later, then what does a guy do?

Precisely....

Gruvin said:

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xiledinok said:

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TheAgentGrant said:

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I have issues? Your law degree doesn't impress me you piece of ***** I'm honest and when a women tells guys let's get it on and then changes her story that's a problem.

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"You" meant the guys in the action.
A degree means nothing, they have problems once she calls off consent.

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if she calls off consent the day after or a week later, then what does a guy do?

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Harass her and burglarize her apartment?

NoBSU said:

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Harass her and burglarize her apartment?

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Did she file a police report? How did she know who burglarized her apartment?

OR is this just another allegation from her lawyer?