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Osodecentx said:

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The regents definitely wrote it. That has never been in question.

Now what specifically in the FofF do you think is inaccurate and why?

I answered your question - can you or will you answer mine?

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Can I read the PH report in full? Can I read a transcript of Briles' rebuttal? Can I read the depositions Baylor won't release?

How can I fully answer when all I have is one side?

BTW, we were led to believe that the FoF were written by PH.

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I am asking what specifically you think is not accurate in the FofF? You seem to be cowering at thought of having to do so. Why?

You seem very good at asking questions but incapable of answering one,

Here is the link again

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/doc.php/266596.pdf

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Keyser Soze said:

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I have no problem with you or anyone having a problem with the FofF - just have the stones to tell us what the problem is and why you think that.

I am going to take a wild guess that you have no problem at all with the first 10 pages of that 13 page document - you know, the 80% that talks about administrative failures on a systemic basis.

Malbec raised the legitimate point, you just whine

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Osodecentx said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The regents definitely wrote it. That has never been in question.

Now what specifically in the FofF do you think is inaccurate and why?

I answered your question - can you or will you answer mine?

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Can I read the PH report in full? Can I read a transcript of Briles' rebuttal? Can I read the depositions Baylor won't release?

How can I fully answer when all I have is one side?

BTW, we were led to believe that the FoF were written by PH.

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I am asking what specifically you think is not accurate in the FofF? You seem to be cowering at thought of having to do so. Why?

You seem very good at asking questions but incapable of answering one,

Here is the link again

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/doc.php/266596.pdf

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Keyser, I have the full story. I know what happened.

Prove I'm incorrect.

PS You can't see what I have or ask any questions. You just get to read the following summary: Briles is innocent. Starr was scapegoated.

Here is a link to refresh your memory: #BORBS.repeatoverandover

Can you not understand alumni reluctance to accept the BOR line of crap

You are digging the hole deeper

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Malbec said:

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Maybe it's not as much what they wrote, as it is what they didn't write?

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That is certainly the right direction. No doubt many questions we would like to have the answer to.

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Here's one for you. Why wasn't Kaz immediately fired? Didn't he meet with the parent of a victim? Wasn't he a department head and athletic administrator who didn't report a SA? Whose involvement in the volleyball player incident was more acute, Kaz's or Hill's?

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Osodecentx said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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The regents definitely wrote it. That has never been in question.

Now what specifically in the FofF do you think is inaccurate and why?

I answered your question - can you or will you answer mine?

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Can I read the PH report in full? Can I read a transcript of Briles' rebuttal? Can I read the depositions Baylor won't release?

How can I fully answer when all I have is one side?

BTW, we were led to believe that the FoF were written by PH.

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I am asking what specifically you think is not accurate in the FofF? You seem to be cowering at thought of having to do so. Why?

You seem very good at asking questions but incapable of answering one,

Here is the link again

https://www.baylor.edu/thefacts/doc.php/266596.pdf

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Keyser, I have the full story. I know what happened.

Prove I'm incorrect.

PS You can't see what I have or ask any questions. You just get to read the following summary: Briles is innocent. Starr was scapegoated.

Here is a link to refresh your memory: #BORBS.repeatoverandover

Can you not understand alumni reluctance to accept the BOR line of crap

You are digging the hole deeper

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I'm excited to hear his side of the story, but let's not forget he's the guy that couldn't manage Briles and put us in this situation. he's going to forget to tell everyone he knew about the allegations involving assault before everyone else.

If you kick off 3, maybe 4 bad apples, you don't have a scandal.

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Keyser Soze said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Keyser Soze said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Dman said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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This would be the equivalent of haven given Briles the same privilege. Allowing him to Correct the programs internal issues, and implement safety nets and protocols. And then saying, "all is well, it's fixed". Then having him hire a few outside coaches for objectivity and appearances who would eventually take over when he's good and ready to phase out entirely.

My issue has never been that Briles allowed or covered up rape. He didn't. But there were mistakes made. It wasn't that the BoR were "evil" people. They weren't. But there were MISTAKES made. It was their utter hypocrisy, ineptitude, and CYA in how this was handled. Period. The same hypocrisy you spout daily. End of story.

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Malbec said:

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Maybe it's not as much what they wrote, as it is what they didn't write?

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That is certainly the right direction. No doubt many questions we would like to have the answer to.

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Here's one for you. Why wasn't Kaz immediately fired? Didn't he meet with the parent of a victim? Wasn't he a department head and athletic administrator who didn't report a SA? Whose involvement in the volleyball player incident was more acute, Kaz's or Hill's?

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Keyser Soze said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Malbec said:

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But wouldn't Kaz have been one of the first people trained in T9 protocol, as a department head and athletics administrator?

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Malbec said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Not exactly, when those nominations have to be approved by the Board before they may stand for election.

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Malbec said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Not exactly, when those nominations have to be approved by the Board before they may stand for election.

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Everybody take note. Bookmark this thread and Thee's post. Thee agrees with the current BOFR that covering up sexual assaults for the sake of the brand is acceptable.

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The sad and tragic thing in this entire fiasco that Briles brought down on our heads is that none of you guys cared one iota about the smoke billowing out of BU concerning lack of discipline, assaults, beatings, rapes, grades changed, etc. until your boy got rightfully axed. Once this happened you all scrambled to find someone else to blame.

I don't agree with covering up anything poindexter. Particularly when it cheapens my alma mater. I merely reminded you guys that "cover ups" have been going on at BU for YEARS.

Reality escapes many Baylor alumni for a variety of reasons. Mommy and daddy allowed you to suckle at the teat too long. The Baylor Bubble is a safe place for most of the snowflakes on here. Winning football games became a drug for those that had sand kicked in their faces for so many years. Collateral damage is fine no matter how damning as long as it does not affect YOU and YOUR family.

Bookmark the hell out of it! If you want more bookmark material just let me know.

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Let me quote you again so you see what a scumbag you are in defending the BOFR and their actions at all costs.

"This sewer hole must stink so bad that a cover up was the only thing to do. BU is going to protect the school/brand over football all day long. As well they should." - Thee

With that attitude and statement, you and Chief Doak must be related.

You gonna tell a girl's dad, sorry your little girl was part of that 90% rape stat, but we had to protect the brand since we were collectively too stupid to ask basic questions about compliance. It's fluffers like you that the BOFR loves because you seek no consequences and no accountability for mistakes made.

Many of us haven't given a rip about Briles for a long time. Keep blaming Briles tho.

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I STILL believe that based on what I know, what I have seen and what I have heard that the BOR had no choice to do anything different. There are too many bright folks on the BOR to believe they could have done anything differently that would have made us all happy.

At all costs? You just made that up. The costs were enormous but I never insinuated that it did not matter what it costs. Only that BU has been protecting its name and brand for years and that it will NEVER change.

It is none of my business to try to defend the BU rape stats. My business, when I raised my two girls and one son was to raise them to be smart, not put yourself in tough situations, be careful who you choose as friends and go out with, know your limits when drinking, understand that hormones can go crazy and to protect yourself at all times, don't go out alone and never go to an apartment with any boy alone until you know that person like they knew their brother.

I've never been nominated for Father of the Year but I did do everything in my power for 18 years to raise my kids to conduct themselves like ladies and gentlemen at all times. I think based on the reviews of them (28, 25 and 23 years old) so far that I can give myself a passing grade and that most of what I taught them stuck. I allowed them to make their own choices on where to go to school and while saddened temporarily that none of them chose Baylor, I realized why they went elsewhere.

I have two lawyer friends (not Baylor grads) who thought enough of Baylor to send their daughters to Waco. Both of them, on separate occasions, told me that when their daughters came home after Year 1 they said, "the Baylor football players are out of control".

The wins mattered most to some. Collateral damage never entered their minds until we found out just how bad it was. But even then many on here were blaming others and telling us that this is just the way it is in NCAA football today. BS!

You are wrong. The gnashing of teeth continues from the Briles apologists. Briles is the reason we are where we are today. He controlled his future. He had Baylor by the tail. All he had to do was institute discipline, self-control, honor and pride. All he had to do was win by toeing the Baylor Line., He either couldn't or didn't want to bad enough.

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Keyser Soze said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Not exactly, when those nominations have to be approved by the Board before they may stand for election.

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There are requirements that the Board Members must be made up of certain percentages of Christians, Baptist, Texas residents, and alumni. It would make sense that the board would need to approve candidates in that regard in order to meet those requirements. There would be nothing wrong with them approving candidates based on the objective requirements in the charter / bylaws . In fact it would make sense that this would be checked out prior to any election.

I think this is what is happening. Do you know that not to be correct?

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Malbec said:

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This is starting to get offensive.

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Malbec said:

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What's taking you so long?

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Malbec said:

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BOR changes included one member from the B association, two from alumni, one additional from faculty, and one or two more. So the self perpetuating has been diluted some.

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Not exactly, when those nominations have to be approved by the Board before they may stand for election.

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There are requirements that the Board Members must be made up of certain percentages of Christians, Baptist, Texas residents, and alumni. It would make sense that the board would need to approve candidates in that regard in order to meet those requirements. There would be nothing wrong with them approving candidates based on the objective requirements in the charter / bylaws . In fact it would make sense that this would be checked out prior to any election.

I think this is what is happening. Do you know that not to be correct?

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They have always exercised prior approval of even the BGCT regent nominees. Prior approval is in addition to the established prerequisites.

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That's a lot of words that aren't worth a bucket of warm piss attempting to crawfish back an asinine defense of the undefendable; creepily sycophantic. Let me quote your insinuation again as to the lengths our BOR and Pat Neff staff would go to cover up decades of sexual assault....

"This sewer hole must stink so bad that a cover up was the only thing to do. BU is going to protect the school/brand over football all day long. As well they should." - Thee

You may just as well get that coveted seat on the BOR yet with that kind of belief. Maybe you could instill discipline, self-control, honor, and pride amongst the BOR....Hahahaha!
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Briles has been held accountable, yet there's still nothing by way of resignations from our BOR. That silence is deafening.

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Keyser Soze said:

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You are so out of touch - 99.9% of those who know of this have his position. You just live in the incestuous .1% that affirms every wacky theory each of you gives the other.

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Keyser Soze said:

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You are so out of touch - 99.9% of those who know of this have his position. You just live in the incestuous .1% that affirms every wacky theory each of you gives the other.

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Keyser Soze said:

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You are so out of touch - 99.9% of those who know of this have his position. You just live in the incestuous .1% that affirms every wacky theory each of you gives the other.

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You are so out of touch - 99.9% of those who know of this have his position. You just live in the incestuous .1% that affirms every wacky theory each of you gives the other.

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Now that is funny!

Baghdad Bob has spoken.

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You are so out of touch - 99.9% of those who know of this have his position. You just live in the incestuous .1% that affirms every wacky theory each of you gives the other.

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Maybe I misunderstand your stand on this issue, but how could Briles start what had been the campus culture for many years, at least from an administrative point of view, to sweep these assault accusations under the rug, often ending up with the victim being punished for drinking, doing drugs or having sex.

It has been going on for many years, we can ignore the voices from the past that say this has been happening for many years, the victims voices, or we can believe them.

It is no longer acceptable to dismiss these accusations without due process for the victim, maybe that is the way it used to be, it is obvious that is what happened on the Baylor campus for many years, that mindset will never be acceptable again.

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