Do you have a URL for this fact?TheDom said:
... And for the record you need to know your facts, the BOR did instruct Starr to implement Title IX processes and procedures. ...
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And it sounds like you have personal bone to pick. I'm sure if they just made you Emperor of Baylor everything would be wonderful. Haha
Because they would have to admit that if the entire BOR steps down, they are to some degree putting their own fate in the hands of the new regents. In order to protect their own self interests, the current BOR needs to control the litigation.Dman said:Keyser Soze said:
But who trust what the BOR tell us right?
OK, one more thing most don't realize is that the same Pepper Hamilton investigators, Smith & Gomez (now working for the law firm Cozen O'Conner) did an extensive audit to confirm the completion of the 105 recommendations. That report with attachments is 775 pages long and provides a wealth of detail. It is available to the public on baylor.edu
. and BTW, Baylor did indeed implement all 105 recommendations that included changes to the BOR and Athletics and many more. That audit will put you to sleep, but if you really want to be informed it is good stuff.
Keyser. Hoping for one intellectually honest answer. Just one.
Should the same BoR that was found guilty of needing such drastic reform, have been the ones to implement these changes? We know why they were..they decided that unilaterally and answer to no one. ...but should they have been the ones? Or would have it been more logical and unifying to have others, easily just as capable if not more, have taken in that responsibility. There would have been no shortage of viable alum options. Ensuring transparency, no conflict of interests in findings, and the ability for the universe to heal.
It's a simple Question. Why avoid answering?
The ruination and destruction of Art Briles stands alone without proof of prior or subsequent incompetence of the BoR.
And dont give me any BS about how Briles "mishandled" his crucifiction (which was created and encouraged by the BoR). A lifetime of work was destroyed.
Was there a conspiracy? Of course there was. It was orchestrated by a few, and followed by a group of ignorant sheep.
I think a lot of people will ultimately have to answer for what they did.
And dont give me any BS about how Briles "mishandled" his crucifiction (which was created and encouraged by the BoR). A lifetime of work was destroyed.
Was there a conspiracy? Of course there was. It was orchestrated by a few, and followed by a group of ignorant sheep.
I think a lot of people will ultimately have to answer for what they did.
I'll take that as a no.TheDom said:
And it sounds like you have personal bone to pick. I'm sure if they just made you Emperor of Baylor everything would be wonderful. Haha
TheDom said:
That "on the wrong side of history" line cracks me up. Reminds me when Obama said it to try and push his narative that America is evil and should repent.
Well, we just disagree then. To me the root of the issue is that a winning football coach was fired. You claim we use Briles as distraction when that is the number one reason we even having this discussion. The fact is CABers will not admit any fault and dress it up in all types of other ways and claims and that's the spin from my perspective.
Look, I would like more transparency too, but I also realize that by the time this mess broke and was uncovered there was so much legal and monetary liability some less than ideal decisions had to be made. More will be revealed as time moves along and I think you and many others will be sadly disappointed there was no conspiracy.
I've never mentioned conspiracy. But that kind of speculation is purely their fault and is expected when their is a complete and total lack of transparency and accountability is applied selectively to some and used to protect others.
I've simply held them to their own standards of accountability for THEIR mistakes. The BoR was found to be at fault of problems that existed both BEFORE and AFTER Briles, Star, Ian, etc. Any claim otherwise is in direct conflict with the findings that significant level of reform was needed at THEIR level. Your spin that those mistakes were due to "hard decisions they had to make because of this scandal" is a load of crap.
It's amazing how far apologists will go to somehow deny and spin this simple fact. MISTAKES WERE MADE BY ALL. Accountability was deliberately and selectively applied. Baylor can, and should demand better. Period.
That's the current tactic. Call anybody a BOR apologist rather than admit that the BOR, Starr, RR, McCaw, and Briles had some responsibility. Instead we have this crazy comspiracy to blame Briles. It goes way back. The BOR set this up before they even hired Briles.TheDom said:
Hey, appreciate your response. Thank you for honestly in acknowledging the responsibility of Starr. The BOR is made of people and people are flawed. I'm not here to say all 40 of them are perfect. That's crazy. But only way we move forward is honesty and reasonableness. And laying this mess 100% at the BOR feet is neither of those things.
Six months ago it was zero rapes by football players. They still haven't totally left that. They just say now it was university problem. Avoids having to admit there was a football problem.
May we see the complete report?Keyser Soze said:
FYI the 105 came straight from Pepper
You can see the 105 recommendations as given to Baylor, on Baylor.edu
Offer institutional and personal apologies and appropriate remedies.Keyser Soze said:
You can see the 105 recommendations as given to Baylor, on Baylor.edu
This is I.3. Still waiting
Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu
Dman said:Keyser Soze said:
But who trust what the BOR tell us right?
OK, one more thing most don't realize is that the same Pepper Hamilton investigators, Smith & Gomez (now working for the law firm Cozen O'Conner) did an extensive audit to confirm the completion of the 105 recommendations. That report with attachments is 775 pages long and provides a wealth of detail. It is available to the public on baylor.edu
. and BTW, Baylor did indeed implement all 105 recommendations that included changes to the BOR and Athletics and many more. That audit will put you to sleep, but if you really want to be informed it is good stuff.
Keyser. Hoping for one intellectually honest answer. Just one.
Should the same BoR that was found guilty of needing such drastic reform, have been the ones to implement these changes? We know why they were..they decided that unilaterally and answer to no one. ...but should they have been the ones? Or would have it been more logical and unifying to have others, easily just as capable if not more, have taken in that responsibility. There would have been no shortage of viable alum options. Ensuring transparency, no conflict of interests in findings, and the ability for the universe to heal.
It's a simple Question. Why avoid answering?
Bump for Keyser. It's such a simple question.
Where is apology?Keyser Soze said:
Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu
"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching
Whoa, I've never said Briles was innocent. While I think he could have been managed, he certainly doesn't have the smarts to shut his mouth or manage a PR campaign.Thee University said:I would like to suggest that a very large number of you Briles Boys have some of those beads stuck for several years now!YoakDaddy said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Don't leave out the male enhancement pills.Reporter said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:
OCue Richard the Dildo Salesman in 3..2..1
First I will most certainly not tell you I love you. Second, you have shown an Abnormal fascination with sex toys!!!
Just sayin.
Lets not forget that Dick's company also sells anal beads too.
That being said, put Richard Willia under the same spotlight and let's see how he holds up.
If a current Baylor student sold the product Richard sells, he/she would be expelled and we'd see the grandstanding of arrogance front and center. Baylor holds itself to a Christian standards but apparently those same standards don't apply to the Board.
No one is fooled by the hypocrisy of this Board of Regents. And eventually the denial will catch up with them.
This site leaks private information to Baylor Regents and Administration
TellMeYouLoveMe said:Whoa, I've never said Briles was innocent. While I think he could have been managed, he certainly doesn't have the smarts to shut his mouth or manage a PR campaign.Thee University said:I would like to suggest that a very large number of you Briles Boys have some of those beads stuck for several years now!YoakDaddy said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Don't leave out the male enhancement pills.Reporter said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:
OCue Richard the Dildo Salesman in 3..2..1
First I will most certainly not tell you I love you. Second, you have shown an Abnormal fascination with sex toys!!!
Just sayin.
Lets not forget that Dick's company also sells anal beads too.
That being said, put Richard Willia under the same spotlight and let's see how he holds up.
If a current Baylor student sold the product Richard sells, he/she would be expelled and we'd see the grandstanding of arrogance front and center. Baylor holds itself to a Christian standards but apparently those same standards don't apply to the Board.
No one is fooled by the hypocrisy of this Board of Regents. And eventually the denial will catch up with them.
Amen
It's hilarious how predictable the divorced from reality club is.Aliceinbubbleland said:Just like there is a cadre of BOR apologists over here that take group think to stupidity.MilliVanilli said:Stick around, there's a cadre of cab apologists over here that take group think to a whole new level.Eball said:
Swimming with the current over here definitely against the current over there. But I did notice less total folks shooting at me and a few more like minded souls. Interesting dynamic on the premium side kind of a group think and they like it that way.
Nanny nanny boo boo, reality be damned, two years of peddling fantasy without a shred of progress and counting.
Maybe he is waiting for an intellectually honest question.Dman said:Dman said:Keyser Soze said:
But who trust what the BOR tell us right?
OK, one more thing most don't realize is that the same Pepper Hamilton investigators, Smith & Gomez (now working for the law firm Cozen O'Conner) did an extensive audit to confirm the completion of the 105 recommendations. That report with attachments is 775 pages long and provides a wealth of detail. It is available to the public on baylor.edu
. and BTW, Baylor did indeed implement all 105 recommendations that included changes to the BOR and Athletics and many more. That audit will put you to sleep, but if you really want to be informed it is good stuff.
Keyser. Hoping for one intellectually honest answer. Just one.
Should the same BoR that was found guilty of needing such drastic reform, have been the ones to implement these changes? We know why they were..they decided that unilaterally and answer to no one. ...but should they have been the ones? Or would have it been more logical and unifying to have others, easily just as capable if not more, have taken in that responsibility. There would have been no shortage of viable alum options. Ensuring transparency, no conflict of interests in findings, and the ability for the universe to heal.
It's a simple Question. Why avoid answering?
Bump for Keyser. It's such a simple question.
TheDom said:
And it sounds like you have personal bone to pick. I'm sure if they just made you Emperor of Baylor everything would be wonderful. Haha
That's all you got? That's weak just like our current BOR. I'm sure you fit right in. I don't have to be emperor to know right from wrong and how to oversee and guide large organizations. They utterly failed at Christian Mission and expect to be believed; Christians only on Sundays between 9:30 and noon. Hahaha!
Whether you are pro BOR, anti CAB or just tired of the mess and hoping it goes away it is impossible to ignore the sworn testimony of our former AD. You have to stick your head so far into the sand I fear for your safety.
This is not some anonymous internet fan posting on a forum or blog...it is not any media member with an agenda it is a guy who was successful in his role whether you liked him or not for 13 years. He should know something and the only real way to discount his testimony is to believe he just lied under oath and committed perjury.
This is not some anonymous internet fan posting on a forum or blog...it is not any media member with an agenda it is a guy who was successful in his role whether you liked him or not for 13 years. He should know something and the only real way to discount his testimony is to believe he just lied under oath and committed perjury.
I am curious what the staff thinks of the interest in this two year old controversy? Clearly it is of interest to folks who click on your site...I have supposed that you all felt for the good of Football and BU that it just die and go away...Ashley Hodge said:
Congrats to everyone who has contributed to this thread being over 1000 posts and 48,000 views. Equally impressive that there is a thread in Bear Cave of similar length.
URL - because if its on the internet it must be true..............57Bear said:Do you have a URL for this fact?TheDom said:
... And for the record you need to know your facts, the BOR did instruct Starr to implement Title IX processes and procedures. ...
NoBSU said:Maybe he is waiting for an intellectually honest question.Dman said:Dman said:Keyser Soze said:
But who trust what the BOR tell us right?
OK, one more thing most don't realize is that the same Pepper Hamilton investigators, Smith & Gomez (now working for the law firm Cozen O'Conner) did an extensive audit to confirm the completion of the 105 recommendations. That report with attachments is 775 pages long and provides a wealth of detail. It is available to the public on baylor.edu
. and BTW, Baylor did indeed implement all 105 recommendations that included changes to the BOR and Athletics and many more. That audit will put you to sleep, but if you really want to be informed it is good stuff.
Keyser. Hoping for one intellectually honest answer. Just one.
Should the same BoR that was found guilty of needing such drastic reform, have been the ones to implement these changes? We know why they were..they decided that unilaterally and answer to no one. ...but should they have been the ones? Or would have it been more logical and unifying to have others, easily just as capable if not more, have taken in that responsibility. There would have been no shortage of viable alum options. Ensuring transparency, no conflict of interests in findings, and the ability for the universe to heal.
It's a simple Question. Why avoid answering?
Bump for Keyser. It's such a simple question.
I have him on ignore.
He has asked the same question about 15 times using at least three different user names on different threads over the last two years. I have already given my opinion on that many times. It ends with him calling me a BOR Shill - no reason to repeat.
Dman - if you sincerely want to know what I think, which I don't think you do, just use the little magnifying glass at the top of the page and search
NoBSU said:Maybe he is waiting for an intellectually honest question.Dman said:Dman said:Keyser Soze said:
But who trust what the BOR tell us right?
OK, one more thing most don't realize is that the same Pepper Hamilton investigators, Smith & Gomez (now working for the law firm Cozen O'Conner) did an extensive audit to confirm the completion of the 105 recommendations. That report with attachments is 775 pages long and provides a wealth of detail. It is available to the public on baylor.edu
. and BTW, Baylor did indeed implement all 105 recommendations that included changes to the BOR and Athletics and many more. That audit will put you to sleep, but if you really want to be informed it is good stuff.
Keyser. Hoping for one intellectually honest answer. Just one.
Should the same BoR that was found guilty of needing such drastic reform, have been the ones to implement these changes? We know why they were..they decided that unilaterally and answer to no one. ...but should they have been the ones? Or would have it been more logical and unifying to have others, easily just as capable if not more, have taken in that responsibility. There would have been no shortage of viable alum options. Ensuring transparency, no conflict of interests in findings, and the ability for the universe to heal.
It's a simple Question. Why avoid answering?
Bump for Keyser. It's such a simple question.
Still upset about others not reading your posts from 7 years ago?
The question is actually boiled down to the most basic, intellectually honest form possible. It's why he can't answer. No room for spin.
"Did it make sense, and was it the best option for Baylor to have the same group oversee and implement their own reforms? When other options at the very least as qualified, if not more,
could have been transitioned in under a controlled process. Reforms that were needed due to their own conflicts of interest, meddling, lack of institutional oversight and transparency, etc were literally given as reasons. I'm not touching many more debatable decisions and reasons.
Yes or no?
I understand it's difficult for him to answer and maintain his position, but at its root, it's THE BASIC QUESTION and the most intellectually honest. What was best Baylor? Not individuals..
Keyser Soze said:NoBSU said:Maybe he is waiting for an intellectually honest question.Dman said:Dman said:Keyser Soze said:
But who trust what the BOR tell us right?
OK, one more thing most don't realize is that the same Pepper Hamilton investigators, Smith & Gomez (now working for the law firm Cozen O'Conner) did an extensive audit to confirm the completion of the 105 recommendations. That report with attachments is 775 pages long and provides a wealth of detail. It is available to the public on baylor.edu
. and BTW, Baylor did indeed implement all 105 recommendations that included changes to the BOR and Athletics and many more. That audit will put you to sleep, but if you really want to be informed it is good stuff.
Keyser. Hoping for one intellectually honest answer. Just one.
Should the same BoR that was found guilty of needing such drastic reform, have been the ones to implement these changes? We know why they were..they decided that unilaterally and answer to no one. ...but should they have been the ones? Or would have it been more logical and unifying to have others, easily just as capable if not more, have taken in that responsibility. There would have been no shortage of viable alum options. Ensuring transparency, no conflict of interests in findings, and the ability for the universe to heal.
It's a simple Question. Why avoid answering?
Bump for Keyser. It's such a simple question.
I have him on ignore.
He has asked the same question about 15 times using at least three different user names on different threads over the last two years. I have already given my opinion on that many times. It ends with him calling me a BOR Shill - no reason to repeat.
Dman - if you sincerely want to know what I think, which I don't think you do, just use the little magnifying glass at the top of the page and search
You do? Funny, you were going back and forth a few pages ago until you refused to answer this basic question. I don't blame you for ignoring. I like a few others, consistently call out and expose your hypocrisy with very basic logic and facts that you can't refute or spin out of. But as long as your spinning your hypocrisy ..I'll keep highlighting it.
Secondly, please provide those screen names. Should be easy to do if true (it's not). This will be yet another example of your spin and desperation. I'll help. Dred was used on the old board..it wasn't available here. Thats no secret.
I'll be waiting...
Keyser, if you sincerely want to be taken seriously, and not a shill, at the very basic level you should be able to admit 2 simple facts: ALL failed. ALL were not held accountable. This created a toxic environment to move forward. And it would have been wise and far less controversial if Baylor was given a clean start. These aren't even controversial statements.
You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.Osodecentx said:Where is apology?Keyser Soze said:
Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu
"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching
From the independent audit:
On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies
we all have different opinions as we should. I think we were all rooting for Briles to survive when the crisis was at its peak. He was extremely likeable. This was a crisis of leadership from the top down. JJ Joe had a great post on this on the old bearstruth board. Set standards and kids adjust to the standards. You can win with standards. Women should feel safest with the strongest men. And I'm certainly not claiming every accusation was just as the claimant said.Eball said:I am curious what the staff thinks of the interest in this two year old controversy? Clearly it is of interest to folks who click on your site...I have supposed that you all felt for the good of Football and BU that it just die and go away...Ashley Hodge said:
Congrats to everyone who has contributed to this thread being over 1000 posts and 48,000 views. Equally impressive that there is a thread in Bear Cave of similar length.
You probably want a more definitive answer from me. I had dinner with one of Baylor's new leaders about a year ago. I asked him what he thought. He said "hindsight is 50/50." I thought was pretty wise. The school and football had a less than desirable culture and accountability. All of the highest paid salary leaders at Baylor were fired- not that surprising. Two of the most divisive Baylor leaders (one regent, one employee) are no longer in places of power. Many on this thread must be under the impression that they still are.
I think Baylor is making changes for the better. But I have been following Baylor avidly since the mid 80s so I can understand the skepticism towards that claim. Time will tell. But yes, I think it is healthy for the fanbase to have a "burn the ships" mentality. Lamenting the past will not help our present or future.
Keyser Soze said:You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.Osodecentx said:Where is apology?Keyser Soze said:
Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu
"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching
From the independent audit:
On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies
I've read those parts from other places. Livingstone wasn't here in 2016; she was named in April 2017. You might want to check your copy/paste work there.
Ashley Hodge said:we all have different opinions as we should. I think we were all rooting for Briles to survive when the crisis was at its peak. He was extremely likeable. This was a crisis of leadership from the top down. JJ Joe had a great post on this on the old bearstruth board. Set standards and kids adjust to the standards. You can win with standards. Women should feel safest with the strongest men. And I'm certainly not claiming every accusation was just as the claimant said.Eball said:I am curious what the staff thinks of the interest in this two year old controversy? Clearly it is of interest to folks who click on your site...I have supposed that you all felt for the good of Football and BU that it just die and go away...Ashley Hodge said:
Congrats to everyone who has contributed to this thread being over 1000 posts and 48,000 views. Equally impressive that there is a thread in Bear Cave of similar length.
You probably want a more definitive answer from me. I had dinner with one of Baylor's new leaders about a year ago. I asked him what he thought. He said "hindsight is 50/50." I thought was pretty wise. The school and football had a less than desirable culture and accountability. All of the highest paid salary leaders at Baylor were fired- not that surprising. Two of the most divisive Baylor leaders (one regent, one employee) are no longer in places of power. Many on this thread must be under the impression that they still are.
I think Baylor is making changes for the better. But I have been following Baylor avidly since the mid 80s so I can understand the skepticism towards that claim. Time will tell. But yes, I think it is healthy for the fanbase to have a "burn the ships" mentality. Lamenting the past will not help our present or future.
Thanks for sharing. I can't disagree with a single part of this post. This was, as you said, a crisis from the top down. I also couldn't agree more that "The school and football had a less than desirable culture and accountability.". Sadly this was and is true in 95% of colleges and P5 programs.
My biggest issue was and continues to be the duality and separate standards regarding accountability. It turned any and all discussions toxic. Impossible to trust or discern real progress when there were
Double standards from those who make the rules. This NEVER goes over well. How much simpler and cleaner it could have been.
I am all for "burning The ships". Rhule,
Livingston, etc have my full support until their own actions say otherwise. What I'm not for is ignoring the past, pretending all is well, and ignoring the role/system that others played who were not part of the reckoning and accountability. We are well past "trust us" as a university. It's an old cliche for a reason. Unless there's real change, we are doomed to repeat. This has already played out.
I'm sorry that my level of cynicism is so high, but our leadership has been telling us this since 1995 and it hasn't turned out to be true. This isn't the first time we've turned over the highest paid administrators/employees at Baylor either.Quote:
I think Baylor is making changes for the better.
I would like to hope that changes are being made. But given the record of the last 20 plus years its hard to do.
Illigitimus non carborundum
read more closely - it began in the summer of 2016, it didn't say it occurred in 2016YoakDaddy said:Keyser Soze said:You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.Osodecentx said:Where is apology?Keyser Soze said:
Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu
"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching
From the independent audit:
On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies
I've read those parts from other places. Livingstone wasn't here in 2016; she was named in April 2017. You might want to check your copy/paste work there.
Even if that error had occurred, would such a small detail really shake things up that much for you? Do you really think apologies have not been issued?
Are you aware an outside firm was used to confirm the implementation of the 105 PH recommendations?CorsicanaBear said:I'm sorry that my level of cynicism is so high, but our leadership has been telling us this since 1995 and it hasn't turned out to be true. This isn't the first time we've turned over the highest paid administrators/employees at Baylor either.Quote:
I think Baylor is making changes for the better.
I would like to hope that changes are being made. But given the record of the last 20 plus years its hard to do.
Keyser Soze said:Are you aware an outside firm was used to confirm the implementation of the 105 PH recommendations?CorsicanaBear said:I'm sorry that my level of cynicism is so high, but our leadership has been telling us this since 1995 and it hasn't turned out to be true. This isn't the first time we've turned over the highest paid administrators/employees at Baylor either.Quote:
I think Baylor is making changes for the better.
I would like to hope that changes are being made. But given the record of the last 20 plus years its hard to do.
Yay! Give them a gold star for making changes while under a microscope to their own problems. What happens when no one is looking anymore? We have no more transparency. Same outside verification of changes could have worked for everyone else. Would you have been fine with that? No. You see the obviously error in your logic. You just refuse to say so. They never should have remained in place to clean up there own mess.
You will read this. You will not be able to spin the simple truth of this. You will act as if you're "ignoring" and not respond. No matter. The truth remains the truth.
Keyser Soze said:read more closely - it began in the summer of 2016, it didn't say it occurred in 2016YoakDaddy said:Keyser Soze said:You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.Osodecentx said:Where is apology?Keyser Soze said:
Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu
"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching
From the independent audit:
On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies
I've read those parts from other places. Livingstone wasn't here in 2016; she was named in April 2017. You might want to check your copy/paste work there.
Even if that error had occurred, would such a small detail really shake things up that much for you? Do you really think apologies have not been issued?
I saw "During the summer of 2016". The date isn't that big of a deal to me, but they need to be more specific. As to apologies....I've had bad meals at restaurants and had managers come to the table to apologize. Sexual assault at my university and we get a letter.....chickenshlts couldn't even get in front of a camera for that (or even ride in the 2016 HC parade)...unless I missed it in 2016. At least Garland had the stones to take questions in front of a camera from the subcommittee in Austin last session.
Serious, separate question: how many of the 10 Jane Does are related to the university at large and how many are related to athletics? Curious because I don't know and figured you might.
It rings a little empty to be schooled on how to weigh plaintiff attorney filings by a group of posters that have poo-pooed plaintiff attorney filings for two years. Some of those filings have been from depositions. Plus one of Ian's biggest bombshells was related to him. It was second/third/forth hand data.Eball said:
Whether you are pro BOR, anti CAB or just tired of the mess and hoping it goes away it is impossible to ignore the sworn testimony of our former AD. You have to stick your head so far into the sand I fear for your safety.
This is not some anonymous internet fan posting on a forum or blog...it is not any media member with an agenda it is a guy who was successful in his role whether you liked him or not for 13 years. He should know something and the only real way to discount his testimony is to believe he just lied under oath and committed perjury.
You seem to be upset that Ian's testimony has not motivated alums to march on Pat Neff with pitchforks and torches. My reply to you is that I have been ticked off at regents for years. McCaw and Briles had two football players convicted of sexual assault. They deserved to go. They were both paid handsomely to go. The FOB regents have been a stain on Baylor for over 12 years. We need to clean house. I knew that before Ian's deposition. Do you have a personal need for me to dislike regents past level 11?
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