I want to see who is next going after the official finding of fact? It is going to be like a human getting put through the slaughterhouse. There's some serious intelligence on that board. Only a big ego would underestimate them.
Ian is pretty young to just guarantee that he is stuck at Liberty.
He is a big tall punta .
He is a lazy no football athletic director .
He didn't raise a dime and apparently could not remember donor's names, which is #1 on every major athletic director 's list of importance.
It isn't overpaying the coaches. He will never be hired at a 6A town in Texas as an assistant athletic (which is better than Liberty).

Fruit Loops is one thing, pouring bourbon on them is another.

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I always forget ... is it Dick or Murph who sells the dildos & ancillaries? Seems both have a case for naming rights.

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One sells and the other uses.

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This thread is not long for this world. It will either soon be locked or moved to the Knitting and Sewing Board.

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You keep saying this, but here it remains.

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Looks like that 80sBear guy was right.

Are you Toddles?

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This thread is not long for this world. It will either soon be locked or moved to the Knitting and Sewing Board.

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You keep saying this, but here it remains.

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Looks like that 80sBear guy was right.

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I told my favorite robe toucher that it would happen. He hates 39,000,00 regents. He is pissed off. He should be at all parties including Dildo Willis.

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This thread is not long for this world. It will either soon be locked or moved to the Knitting and Sewing Board.

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You keep saying this, but here it remains.

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Looks like that 80sBear guy was right.

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I told my favorite robe toucher that it would happen. He hates 39,000,00 regents. He is pissed off. He should be at all parties including Dildo Willis.

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What exactly does this mean? Can you clarify or get me a translator?

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This thread is not long for this world. It will either soon be locked or moved to the Knitting and Sewing Board.

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You keep saying this, but here it remains.

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Looks like that 80sBear guy was right.

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I told my favorite robe toucher that it would happen. He hates 39,000,00 regents. He is pissed off. He should be at all parties including Dildo Willis.

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What exactly does this mean? Can you clarify or get me a translator?

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You just need to catch up is all.

Is anybody monitoring this site for spam?

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Well, it's ridiculous to me that people claim all this other stuff prior to the football scandal when it was really about that. And 2., I hear you on your second part, I really do, but we don't live in a fantasy world. We live in cause & effect and decisions & consequences world. I just think so much of what you rant and rave about is unrealistic.

You complain so much about the system of having a BoR but that's the system. I think you should focus on the people sitting on the board. Personally, I wish the board was only 8 members. It would be hyper effective and efficient. Yet over time someone would come along and say it's too much power in too few hands. It's always sometime and someone always thinks they have a better idea.

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I swim in a cause and effect world daily. Cause and effect on any other BoR..public, private, or educational, would have implemented a careful, committee driven, organized transition of responsibility to another BOR. Baylor has more than enough qualified candidates. That was more than realistic. The only reason that didn't happen is because they answer to no one, (including Alum) and for personal exposure/liability reasons (not university) they needed to control the message, access to information, and use Baylor money for their defense while on the BoR.

What they counted on was waiting it out. And now, you start to hear Keysers fo from NEVER calling for accountability, to simply saying.."well..it's new people now anyway..what are you complaining about?". How nice that must be. Their plan worked. Apologist like Keyser are ok with that. I have a higher standard. That would never fly in the real world. Biggest, most costly scandal in Baylor history. And they get a pass. CRAZY.

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Personally, it's not giving a pass for me. And I don't see Keyser saying that either. I want to get this thing right so as a Baylor alumni and school we aren't getting embarrassed every 15 years. However, I think your approach is more as Keyser said, you simply want a pound of flesh and rephrased by saying you have high standards and want accountability.

I think where we differ isn't so much in end goal of what we want in our school but approach and perspective. Personally I don't think every BoR is rotten. You want entire turnover of the BoR. I also think that's not realistic with everything that goes into it. Second, you say all were to blame but only some disciplined is basically reason you so pissed. But really you blame the BoR more than administrators operating the school at the time. Assuming that is correctly your view, we different in our thinking bc I think administrators operating school are more to blame. The BoR did not react to crisis management well but the crisis was brought on by unethical administrators. So they say, well the BoR should have been watching those administrators, and that is where for me the rubber hits the road. I think that piece right there is what is most important moving forward. We need to have capable people at BoR level combined with a strong system that is able to see and know things about our school before it hits ESPN that a President like Starr and AD like Ian are letting a football coach like Briles run a muck. And that Starr isn't implementing required laws and standards. That's what is most important in my opinion.

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-" I think your approach is more as Keyser said, you simply want a pound of flesh and rephrased by saying you have high standards and want accountability." Convenient accusation against anyone demanding accountability. But my "thoughts" and your "thoughts" are meaningless. The facts are what they are. No amount of spin changes that. In fact, I'll flip the narrative. HELL YEAH I WAMT MY POUND OF FLESH. Against anyone who failed to the degree they did. WHY THE HELL DONT YOU? Why do you accept this level of mediocrity at best?

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It is not the Baylor Alumni that want their pound of flesh that Baylor should fear the most. It is the Baylor Alumni that simply no longer care.

Flag it.

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and it's gone

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Did you know that if you are an Uber driver you can get a great warranty from Carchex?

Don't know if it is them, but getting spam from someone selling warranty to my cell 3 to 4 times daily

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This thread is not long for this world. It will either soon be locked or moved to the Knitting and Sewing Board.

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I told my favorite robe toucher that it would happen. He hates 39,000,00 regents. He is pissed off. He should be at all parties including Dildo Willis.

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What exactly does this mean? Can you clarify or get me a translator?

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You just need to catch up is all.

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You need to spend some time with 80sBear. His opinions would make you feel all warm and fuzzy.
It's funny to hear a great conservative guy like him support the punta former athletic director playing the race card. The white guys in our scenario were the biggest losers of all. Only Maxine Waters plays the race card this past month more than Ian.

I ll stick to Macallan or Glenlivet. I ll have 80s Bear sample your bottle. We can toast the football Gods for putting Ian at Liberty far away from TV viewers from the Big 12.

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I d hate to think what Ian pours on you. Are you Toddles? I don't think it's Sugar he pours on you.

These athletic departments and conferences are like the liquor beverage industry that some are familiar.
Every brand is awarding winning and rates highly.

The malt liquor categories for booze are on par with Sasser Cup or whatever a plaque from Midwest Trophy gets you for Liberty's conference.

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These athletic departments and conferences are like the liquor beverage industry that some are familiar.
Every brand is awarding winning and rates highly.

The malt liquor categories for booze are on par with Sasser Cup or whatever a plaque from Midwest Trophy gets you for Liberty's conference.

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Liberty can't hang with us in Equestrian or Gymnastics and Tumbling. We are Baylor.

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These athletic departments and conferences are like the liquor beverage industry that some are familiar.
Every brand is awarding winning and rates highly.

The malt liquor categories for booze are on par with Sasser Cup or whatever a plaque from Midwest Trophy gets you for Liberty's conference.

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Liberty can't hang with us in Equestrian or Gymnastics and Tumbling. We are Baylor.

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Occasionally, a distillery produced some garbage and after the distiller cleans up the issues you get some bad batches.

Who won the Lone Star Conference's points award system? Keep it Texan and local.

X knows distilleries.

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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^^^ This is story I've heard many times from those that would most likely have the opportunity to know such, in my circle of friends fwiw

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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That was not the regents.

That came from the victim's petition in the Tre'Von Armstead Myke Chatman case

They only number the regents gave was 19/17/4

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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it is easy to confuse accusations with so many numbers being thrown around. But in the sake of accuracy, the board of regents claimed 19 sexual assaults involving 17 players.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/ac/bacc361a-e9b5-11e6-ad87-5fd2d6e674d8/5893e6dfbdcf3.pdf.pdf

https://www.wsj.com/articles/baylor-details-horrifying-alleged-sexual-assaults-by-football-players-1477681988

The 50 number came from the plaintiff lawsuit and for all we know that number was pulled out of thin air to grab headlines. No factual information has ever been given to substantiate that number.

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Unfortunately....that lofty number is the one the general public was left with as being gospel.

Has that case already been settled?

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Chuckroast said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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it is easy to confuse accusations with so many numbers being thrown around. But in the sake of accuracy, the board of regents claimed 19 sexual assaults involving 17 players.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/ac/bacc361a-e9b5-11e6-ad87-5fd2d6e674d8/5893e6dfbdcf3.pdf.pdf

https://www.wsj.com/articles/baylor-details-horrifying-alleged-sexual-assaults-by-football-players-1477681988

The 50 number came from the plaintiff lawsuit and for all we know that number was pulled out of thin air to grab headlines. No factual information has ever been given to substantiate that number.

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Unfortunately....that lofty number is the one the
general public was left with as being gospel.

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Welcome to the guilty until proven innocent mentality created in this country from the SJWs of twitter and the internet.

Keyser Soze

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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That was not the regents.

That came from the victim's petition in the Tre'Von Armstead Myke Chatman case

They only number the regents gave was 19/17/4

That's right. You and Ashley are correct . . . my apologies for the mistake. However, my point is the same in that the regents in the CAB lawsuit began divulging information that was theretofore unknown (CAB's text messages with no context and the alleged statement made by Kendall with no additional context) that went on to tar and feather the football program and make it appear that the team at large was suspect.

It would help the general public if people would stop incorrectly repeating "the regents said it was 50"


I believe that is one of the cases settled.

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YoakDaddy said:

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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That was not the regents.

That came from the victim's petition in the Tre'Von Armstead Myke Chatman case

They only number the regents gave was 19/17/4

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That's right. You and Ashley are correct . . . my apologies for the mistake. However, my point is the same in that the regents in the CAB lawsuit began divulging information that was theretofore unknown that went on to tar and feather the football program and make it appear that the team at large was not representative of Baylor.

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There is a real chicken / egg argument here

Would any of that have ever been released without the "Bring Briles Back" movement, Briles saying "I don't know why I was fired", Cannon calling him a scapegoat, #CAB shirts being sold at home games?

Then the move to sue the people you knew had the goods on you.

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Ashley Hodge said:

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Chuckroast said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Timbear said:

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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it is easy to confuse accusations with so many numbers being thrown around. But in the sake of accuracy, the board of regents claimed 19 sexual assaults involving 17 players.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/ac/bacc361a-e9b5-11e6-ad87-5fd2d6e674d8/5893e6dfbdcf3.pdf.pdf

https://www.wsj.com/articles/baylor-details-horrifying-alleged-sexual-assaults-by-football-players-1477681988

The 50 number came from the plaintiff lawsuit and for all we know that number was pulled out of thin air to grab headlines. No factual information has ever been given to substantiate that number.

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Unfortunately....that lofty number is the one the general public was left with as being gospel.

Has that case already been settled?

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How can we expect the general public to get it right when our own alumni and supporters can't get straight?

As Ashley posted, "The 50 number came from the plaintiff lawsuit and for all we know that number was pulled out of thin air to grab headlines. No factual information has ever been given to substantiate that number."

I realize that you get it now, ChuckRoast, but to Mike and the others:

THE 50 NUMBER DID NOT COME FROM REGENTS!!!

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Chuckroast said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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That's what I'll never understand. Our brave BOR Never stood up for the vast majority of players who were good citizens, thereby standing up for Baylor. Why couldn't they say "every basket has a few bad apples, but by and large our players are fine young men, and while we want to get to the truth about these very serious allegations, we will defend vigorously the reputation and character of our young men".

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Let's not forget that they wouldn't stand up for the ladies as well when allegations were made about the group that ushers recruits around.

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Remember when the handful of regents being sued threw out the "50" number (of sexual assaults) in the lawsuit filed by CAB? Up until that point, the narrative was bad enough but not nearly at that level. The BOR had already destroyed CAB, his coaching staff, and a few other select individuals. These new charges basically challenged the character of the football team at large.

While that handful of regents shouldn't taint the entire BOR per se, it should be clear that a select group of the regents will employ any tactic to save themselves regardless of what it does to the reputation of the school, the team, and anyone else. I think they looked upon the rumors running rampant (that they helped to create) as very fortunate for themselves.

The BOR as a whole apparently ceded control of the message to a handful of regents that botched it up royally. Some BOR went on record as dissenters to this whole fiasco . . . I feel bad for them.

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That was not the regents.

That came from the victim's petition in the Tre'Von Armstead Myke Chatman case

They only number the regents gave was 19/17/4

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That's right. You and Ashley are correct . . . my apologies for the mistake. However, my point is the same in that the regents in the CAB lawsuit began divulging information that was theretofore unknown that went on to tar and feather the football program and make it appear that the team at large was not representative of Baylor.

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There is a real chicken / egg argument here

Would any of that have ever been released without the "Bring Briles Back" movement, Briles saying "I don't know why I was fired", Cannon calling him a scapegoat, #CAB shirts being sold at home games?

Then the move to sue the people you knew had the goods on you.

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That is xiledinok major complaint on Briles. The regents were proven to be hard in a fight. Don't pick it back up unless you expect tough tactics.