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Obama declared 9 emergencies in his first 6 years. There's been 53 "states of emergency" since 1976.

Exactly what precedent is Trump setting?

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And additionally, it's laughable to think that if and when a socialist democrat lune becomes POTUS they would be less inclined to declare "national emergencies" to attempt to do things like violating the 2nd Amendment and/or force economic disaster over so called man made climate change because Trump didn't declare a national emergency over border security. The end always justifies the means to those people and precedent means little to nothing to them.

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This is the logic behind the Republicans' more aggressive procedural moves in the Senate, and in that context I think it's correct. Things like judicial appointments are a zero sum game, so people really will do anything to win. There is or at least should be more room for compromise on things like immigration and climate change.

There have been 58 emergencies declared since 1976, but they cover a rather narrow range of issues. Most are related to the financial assets of drug cartels and terrorists. Trump is setting a significant precedent by expanding the scope to immigration in this way. Does he have the authority? I think he does. I also think he will make it easier for future presidents to further expand it in ways that would have been hard to do otherwise.

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Didn't Trump and the Republican Senate reject a bill that included 25 billion for a wall one year ago today? Yea it would have doled it out over a 10 year period, but still.....

Bet he wished he had that option today.

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Quite a deal maker, huh?

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Obama declared 9 emergencies in his first 6 years. There's been 53 "states of emergency" since 1976.

Exactly what precedent is Trump setting?

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And additionally, it's laughable to think that if and when a socialist democrat lune becomes POTUS they would be less inclined to declare "national emergencies" to attempt to do things like violating the 2nd Amendment and/or force economic disaster over so called man made climate change because Trump didn't declare a national emergency over border security. The end always justifies the means to those people and precedent means little to nothing to them.

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It is not the declaration of emergency that is at issue, it is the remedy he has proposed. Almost all of the declared national emergencies from 1976 involve the seizure of assets or restriction on the movements of assets involving terrorism or foreign actors we don't like. I don't see any of them that involved separate appropriations.

That is where Trump's plan breaks precedent. I disagree with his factual premise: that the border with Mexico is a terrorist or drug emergency. But he is the president, I understand he gets to make that call. The Constitution states pretty plainly, however, that only Congress appropriates funds.

So I understand he can declare an emergency. If he wants to ban remittances or seize MS-13 assets, he can. I don't see where he can just by himself decide how the tax money will be spent.

Edit: Just saw that Sam said basically the same thing, although he draws a different conclusion on where to draw the line on POTUS authority. So, sorry for the redundancy.

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45 year low on illegal border crossings this year. Ice and Border Patrol Agents are doing a great job for our Country. MS-13 thugs being hit hard.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 28, 2018

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National emergency? Wow.

Even almighty Ann Coulter (for whom this national emergency was aimed to please) is calling this national emergency bull shxt and nothing but an attempt at trying to hide he is weak. LOL!

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Even almighty Ann Coulter (for whom this national emergency was aimed to please) is calling this national emergency bull shxt and nothing but an attempt at trying to hide he is weak. LOL!

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he foolishly backed himself into a corner and rather than taking the compromise and moving on, he's decided to double down on the stupid. So much for being a master negotiator.

I love democracy!
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c65dc88e4b05c889d1d51a7

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Waco1947 said:

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Both of these statements are gross exaggerations and perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the political discourse in this country.

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Oh really? Because spending $150 billion a year on 22 million people and growing isn't playing with fire?

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Please explain to me how you will be "personally disenfranchised" by "massive illegal immigration."

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When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

So yes. My children will be effected.

Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current "immigration surplus"the net increase in the total wealth of the native population to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there's one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion a burden that falls on the native population.

What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it's not too far fetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

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What jobs do you think people who are crossing our southern border illegally are taking?

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I don't see it as taking jobs because honestly all of the wets I've come into contact with are hired, low skill hands, but what the wets do is burden government systems such as education, criminal justice, and healthcare. When I've got to go armed to a ranch where there's a drop off point for wets, their drugs, and their women/children not 20 yards from the gate and the county sheriff does nothing but ignore to as to push them through to another county so he doesn't have to deal with it, there's a massive problem.

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I agree with this statement (other than calling them wets). Clearly we need to keep track of who is entering this country.

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Just calling them what my Mexican (South Texas natives) friends call them.

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I guess once they become "wets" they're a threat to you instead of humans.

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If I've got to go well-healed carrying because they drop off people and drugs close to where I may be working in the open close to the road, you bet your a$$ they're a threat.

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tommie said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Both of these statements are gross exaggerations and perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the political discourse in this country.

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Oh really? Because spending $150 billion a year on 22 million people and growing isn't playing with fire?

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Please explain to me how you will be "personally disenfranchised" by "massive illegal immigration."

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When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

So yes. My children will be effected.

Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current "immigration surplus"the net increase in the total wealth of the native population to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there's one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion a burden that falls on the native population.

What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it's not too far fetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

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What jobs do you think people who are crossing our southern border illegally are taking?

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I don't see it as taking jobs because honestly all of the wets I've come into contact with are hired, low skill hands, but what the wets do is burden government systems such as education, criminal justice, and healthcare. When I've got to go armed to a ranch where there's a drop off point for wets, their drugs, and their women/children not 20 yards from the gate and the county sheriff does nothing but ignore to as to push them through to another county so he doesn't have to deal with it, there's a massive problem.

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I agree with this statement (other than calling them wets). Clearly we need to keep track of who is entering this country.

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Just calling them what my Mexican (South Texas natives) friends call them.

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I guess once they become "wets" they're a threat to you instead of humans.

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If I've got to go well-healed carrying because they drop off people and drugs close to where I may be working in the open close to the road, you bet your a$$ they're a threat.

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I just watch 'em. That don't want a hassle and certainly don't attention by attacking people. Get real.

YoakDaddy said:

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tommie said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Both of these statements are gross exaggerations and perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the political discourse in this country.

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Oh really? Because spending $150 billion a year on 22 million people and growing isn't playing with fire?

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Please explain to me how you will be "personally disenfranchised" by "massive illegal immigration."

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When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

So yes. My children will be effected.

Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current "immigration surplus"the net increase in the total wealth of the native population to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there's one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion a burden that falls on the native population.

What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it's not too far fetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

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What jobs do you think people who are crossing our southern border illegally are taking?

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I don't see it as taking jobs because honestly all of the wets I've come into contact with are hired, low skill hands, but what the wets do is burden government systems such as education, criminal justice, and healthcare. When I've got to go armed to a ranch where there's a drop off point for wets, their drugs, and their women/children not 20 yards from the gate and the county sheriff does nothing but ignore to as to push them through to another county so he doesn't have to deal with it, there's a massive problem.

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I agree with this statement (other than calling them wets). Clearly we need to keep track of who is entering this country.

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Just calling them what my Mexican (South Texas natives) friends call them.

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I guess once they become "wets" they're a threat to you instead of humans.

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If I've got to go well-healed carrying because they drop off people and drugs close to where I may be working in the open close to the road, you bet your a$$ they're a threat.

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7:30 AM Starbucks drive through is full of threats who need their coffee drug fix. I don't call them "wets".

Once I dehumanize you, I have to see you as a threat.

Come Monday, I'm gonna be packing heat in case the "lattes" (the language of my elders) in their SUVs getting their venti mochas and their two pump soys wanna start some *****

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YoakDaddy said:

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tommie said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Both of these statements are gross exaggerations and perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the political discourse in this country.

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Oh really? Because spending $150 billion a year on 22 million people and growing isn't playing with fire?

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Please explain to me how you will be "personally disenfranchised" by "massive illegal immigration."

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When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

So yes. My children will be effected.

Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current "immigration surplus"the net increase in the total wealth of the native population to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there's one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion a burden that falls on the native population.

What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it's not too far fetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

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What jobs do you think people who are crossing our southern border illegally are taking?

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I don't see it as taking jobs because honestly all of the wets I've come into contact with are hired, low skill hands, but what the wets do is burden government systems such as education, criminal justice, and healthcare. When I've got to go armed to a ranch where there's a drop off point for wets, their drugs, and their women/children not 20 yards from the gate and the county sheriff does nothing but ignore to as to push them through to another county so he doesn't have to deal with it, there's a massive problem.

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I agree with this statement (other than calling them wets). Clearly we need to keep track of who is entering this country.

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Just calling them what my Mexican (South Texas natives) friends call them.

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I guess once they become "wets" they're a threat to you instead of humans.

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If I've got to go well-healed carrying because they drop off people and drugs close to where I may be working in the open close to the road, you bet your a$$ they're a threat.

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I just watch 'em. That don't want a hassle and certainly don't attention by attacking people. Get real.

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I know they don't want attention...that's why they drop off people and drugs quickly....do you think they stop for a picnic? The driver briefly stops then the wets get out fast then start running in any direction away from town. For the drugs, they toss the duffle bags out into the bar ditch to be picked up later. They don't want to be seen or identified. I am real, very real. You have zero clue as to how the cartels smuggle people and drugs.

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YoakDaddy said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Both of these statements are gross exaggerations and perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the political discourse in this country.

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Oh really? Because spending $150 billion a year on 22 million people and growing isn't playing with fire?

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Please explain to me how you will be "personally disenfranchised" by "massive illegal immigration."

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When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

So yes. My children will be effected.

Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current "immigration surplus"the net increase in the total wealth of the native population to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there's one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion a burden that falls on the native population.

What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it's not too far fetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

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What jobs do you think people who are crossing our southern border illegally are taking?

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I don't see it as taking jobs because honestly all of the wets I've come into contact with are hired, low skill hands, but what the wets do is burden government systems such as education, criminal justice, and healthcare. When I've got to go armed to a ranch where there's a drop off point for wets, their drugs, and their women/children not 20 yards from the gate and the county sheriff does nothing but ignore to as to push them through to another county so he doesn't have to deal with it, there's a massive problem.

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I agree with this statement (other than calling them wets). Clearly we need to keep track of who is entering this country.

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Just calling them what my Mexican (South Texas natives) friends call them.

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I guess once they become "wets" they're a threat to you instead of humans.

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If I've got to go well-healed carrying because they drop off people and drugs close to where I may be working in the open close to the road, you bet your a$$ they're a threat.

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7:30 AM Starbucks drive through is full of threats who need their coffee drug fix. I don't call them "wets".

Once I dehumanize you, I have to see you as a threat.

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Not dehumanizing anybody. Just using the term my Mexican friends use.

Whiff! They were not dangerous.
PS Who uses those drugs?

Oh the irony
"There is an irony to Trump's declaration. Prior to being elected, Trump aggressively criticized then-President Barack Obama, saying that he could be impeached for using executive orders to change immigration policies." HP

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Waco1947 said:

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Care about someone who calls me vile names? Yeah I'll pass

This>>>>>"Immigrants (both legal and illegal) come to this country for opportunity. Our population is aging and retiring while the birth rate in this country is declining, which is leading to an increasing number of jobs our citizens cannot fill. We will need an increasing number of immigrants to fill the void. Rather than demonizing these people, we should be welcoming them and making it easier for them to get work visas to come to work when the jobs are available, making it easier to keep track of the people who are entering and leaving the country.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/08/immigration-projected-to-drive-growth-in-u-s-working-age-population-through-at-least-2035/

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2017/05/11/431974/immigrant-workers-important-filling-growing-occupations/" Dionoz

Doc, when you go into the hospital or the nursing home you are going to be in for a surprise. People of color caring for racists. Oh the irony.

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We will need an increasing number of LEGAL immigrants to fill the void.

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Yes Sir. I fixed it for you.

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Doc, when you go into the hospital or the nursing home you are going to be in for a surprise. People of color caring for racists. Oh the irony.

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What does this have to do with people of color?

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Whiff! They were not dangerous.
PS Who uses those drugs?

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Coming from a "pastor" who advocates for abortion infanticide, I'm not surprised that you don't comprehend the dangers.

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Everybody forgot the 8 years Obama was in office already? When he said he couldn't write immigration law himself, then proceeded to do exactly that with DACA?

Politics. Both sides do it.

But there's a lot most people don't know:
Trump ok'd a 115 Mile Bollard Barrier in Texas.
Because he's been cleared as having the LEGAL AUTHORITY to do it. He's also signed off on 100's more Miles in NM & AZ with ZERO input from Congress.

Have you heard any of that?
Probably not.

Well, if Trump is already building the Wall, why is he doing this? Trump gave THE "REPRESENTATIVES" of the People every chance to do their jobs=they won't.

He's leaving FUTURE Americans & History no doubt whatsoever he tried to do this through the System & it failed.

And the real technology will devastate the Democrats:
https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/12/19/border-patrols-new-mobile-surveillance-system-can-see-for-miles

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Trump did NOT give Congress every chance. Ask the Sen. Majority Leader about Trump and immigration. He bolloxed it.

LOL

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Doc Holliday said:

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Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?

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Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.

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It's the only option if congress can't represent their constituents.

Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao

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No. We don't ignore the constitution just because we don't like what Congress does. We especially don't allow one man the right to do that. Rule by law is what protects us. Violating that concept is way beyond dangerousand never justified by "oh but I know what's best"

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Are you sure his successor didn't set that precedent lol?

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Does it really matter? This decision is dumb.

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It's the only option if congress can't represent their constituents.

Plus we got el chapo's 14 billion back so technically Mexican cartels paid for it lmao

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No. We don't ignore the constitution just because we don't like what Congress does. We especially don't allow one man the right to do that. Rule by law is what protects us. Violating that concept is way beyond dangerousand never justified by "oh but I know what's best"

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Please show me where this violates the constitution.

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Mr President do not enact a National Emergency for an unnecessary wall. It is beyond our democratic principles. It's smacks of dictatorship.
Sir, you lie continually to us. I do not believe in your crisis. Stop scaring and dividing us.

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Me and my generation will be personally disenfranchised by massive illegal immigration.

It seems you do not care for people like me.

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Both of these statements are gross exaggerations and perfectly illustrate what is wrong with the political discourse in this country.

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Oh really? Because spending $150 billion a year on 22 million people and growing isn't playing with fire?

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Please explain to me how you will be "personally disenfranchised" by "massive illegal immigration."

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When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

So yes. My children will be effected.

Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. In this case, immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants from the employee to the employer. And the additional profits are so large that the economic pie accruing to all natives actually grows. I estimate the current "immigration surplus"the net increase in the total wealth of the native population to be about$50 billion annually. But behind that calculation is a much larger shift from one group of Americans to another: The total wealth redistribution from the native losers to the native winners is enormous, roughly a half-trillion dollars a year. Immigrants, too, gain substantially; their total earnings far exceed what their income would have been had they not migrated.

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there's one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion a burden that falls on the native population.

What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it's not too far fetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

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What jobs do you think people who are crossing our southern border illegally are taking?

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I don't see it as taking jobs because honestly all of the wets I've come into contact with are hired, low skill hands, but what the wets do is burden government systems such as education, criminal justice, and healthcare. When I've got to go armed to a ranch where there's a drop off point for wets, their drugs, and their women/children not 20 yards from the gate and the county sheriff does nothing but ignore to as to push them through to another county so he doesn't have to deal with it, there's a massive problem.

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In your post you state "dropoff points for wets, their drugs" etc...what's a "wet"?

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In your post you state "dropoff points for wets, their drugs" etc...what's a "wet"?

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the term is mojado/a. means wet - as in wet from swimming across the river.....

been around since hace long time.

actually - it isnt a pejorative - at least not to the mexicans who refer to themselves as 'mojados'. even folk songs in the mexican tradition sing about.

not some secret term...... lol.

- KKM

today's lesson in border life for the yanquis.

And now he's given us a new definition of emergency:

Something that does not have to be done right way and could be done over a long period of time.

"I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster,"


He makes his supporters look so stupid for uncritically supporting his crazy butt.

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Congress passed the ACA. But you knew that.

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Congress passed the ACA. But you knew that.

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The policy man. The policy forced Americans to purchase insurance or receive a penalty.

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Congress passed the ACA. But you knew that.

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The policy man. The policy forced Americans to purchase insurance or receive a penalty.

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Yeah it was horrible. People getting healthcare. How cruel can you get?

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Congress passed the ACA. But you knew that.

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The policy man. The policy forced Americans to purchase insurance or receive a penalty.

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Yeah it was horrible. People getting healthcare. How cruel can you get?

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Healthcare they can't afford coupled with massive spikes in prices.

The ACA made the insurance and pharmaceutical companies filthy rich. How cruel can you get?

Can you see past MSM narratives or are you a sheep?