TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

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We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

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Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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PartyBear said:

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GruntTuff said:

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Thank you Jackson Bear. So many have sold their souls to that devil and they have no concept of what they have done to their souls. What are they teaching young people? That truth and integrity do not matter. All that matters is to win, regardless of the cost.

Richard Nixon, a severely compromised human, introduced, supported and signed the first environmental legislation in this country, the National Environmental Policy Act. Now, for a Republican to support environment legislation makes him or her a pariah. The idea of government telling any of us what to do, to "regulate" our activities, is a four letter word.

So sad.

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Dont be fooled. They are fine with government telling people what to do. They are fine with making a plague 50 times worse and economic collapse. They are fine with social unraveling. j They are fine with no products being on grocery store shelves. They are fine with $1000 checks sent to all adult Americans as some sort of solution. They are fine with all of these things as long as there is an R next to the name on ballot.

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curtpenn said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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riflebear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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CHP Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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CHP Bear said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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CHP Bear said:

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Germany has confirmed Trump tried to bribe scientists for exclusive use to the US.

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Named or unnamed source? Tomorrow's headline, "Trump Tried To Buy Germany To Control All Of Europe." Ahhhh, the convenience of fiction.

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It's in the article you didn't read.

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Your right, I didn't waste my time. I'll wait for tomorrow's headlines. His taking over Germany will make interesting reading.

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It literally cites sources in the German government.

It is refreshing to see you admit you didn't read. The fact the headline was all you read is EXACTLY my point.

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Just wondering is there any rule, regulation, law, Constitutional problem, whatever that says Trump can't hire the best minds? The problem I see is optics. Question, what if he pulled it off and a cure for this deadly virus came about in a week? Instead of bashing his efforts, how about everyone pulling or pushing the wagon in the same direction. Personally, I don't care who gets the credit or how the cat is skinned, I care about results. If that hurts German feelings, tough. Political BS needs to be left at the door during this time of crisis. As for me, I appreciate all the efforts our leaders are doing. Finally, I would be disappointed if our Government, which includes Trump, weren't exploring all options. Hiring the best minds sounds like thinking outside-the-box. Something leaders do. So shall we push or pull the wagon? My glass is half full. Point COUNTER Point.

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The point is that he is incompetent. If we succeed it will be IN SPITE of him, not because of him.

People like Rifle say he's perfect. He is not. And it is REALLY important to understand that. I don't care if he's a monster at this point. I care that he's not fit for the job. He's getting in the way of progress and response.

Rifle said he's doing a great job now.

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Did you graduate H.S.?

I've NEVER said Trump was perfect - the complete opposite actually many times
I'm not saying he's doing a great job - I'm listening to LIBERAL governors (that you IGNORE) from California New York & Washington say Trump Pence & the Administration & their TASK force is doing a GOOD JOB and going above and beyond. How can you IGNORE that?

It's not my fault you have blinders on and can't read or refuse to listen to the facts or people on your side completely disagree w/ you who are actually have the facts. You are surpassing Cinque and others as some of the most uneducated and misinformed people to ever roam this site and spread lies that continue to be debunked.

Carry on though....

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10 out of 10 is perfect.

You defended that.

Just shut up.

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Always love how you misrepresent the positions of others then act like a 3 year old. Impressive.

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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GruntTuff said:

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Thank you Jackson Bear. So many have sold their souls to that devil and they have no concept of what they have done to their souls. What are they teaching young people? That truth and integrity do not matter. All that matters is to win, regardless of the cost.

Richard Nixon, a severely compromised human, introduced, supported and signed the first environmental legislation in this country, the National Environmental Policy Act. Now, for a Republican to support environment legislation makes him or her a pariah. The idea of government telling any of us what to do, to "regulate" our activities, is a four letter word.

So sad.

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Dont be fooled. They are fine with government telling people what to do. They are fine with making a plague 50 times worse and economic collapse. They are fine with social unraveling. j They are fine with no products being on grocery store shelves. They are fine with $1000 checks sent to all adult Americans as some sort of solution. They are fine with all of these things as long as there is an R next to the name on ballot.

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Stupid assertion. Full stop.

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

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We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

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Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

---

I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

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Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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GruntTuff said:

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Thank you Jackson Bear. So many have sold their souls to that devil and they have no concept of what they have done to their souls. What are they teaching young people? That truth and integrity do not matter. All that matters is to win, regardless of the cost.

Richard Nixon, a severely compromised human, introduced, supported and signed the first environmental legislation in this country, the National Environmental Policy Act. Now, for a Republican to support environment legislation makes him or her a pariah. The idea of government telling any of us what to do, to "regulate" our activities, is a four letter word.

So sad.

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Dont be fooled. They are fine with government telling people what to do. They are fine with making a plague 50 times worse and economic collapse. They are fine with social unraveling. j They are fine with no products being on grocery store shelves. They are fine with $1000 checks sent to all adult Americans as some sort of solution. They are fine with all of these things as long as there is an R next to the name on ballot.

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Stupid assertion. Full stop.

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Make your case or make mine with these simple question. Have you turned on Trump? If not.
If all of this was happening under a Democrat along with the same exact solutions would you support that POTUS?

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

---

I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

---

With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

---

Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

---

I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

---

So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

---

Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

---

I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

---

So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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You are getting silly .

The president you hate is obviously acting upon the input of the medical experts .

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

---

So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

---

Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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Not saying you are wrong, just struggling with the notion that this is "worse than influenza". Probably because I have limited faith in scientists or "experts". Perfectly willing to admit I may be wrong.

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

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We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

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Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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Every single government has made serious mistakes, this has spread everywhere. Even the ones getting it right now, just didn't get it right early enough.

Right now the economic impact of this is the worse affect, if the virus mutates and young folks start dying in large numbers, then I would feel the panic more, then I would be very worried about our children.

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

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We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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Thank you Jackson Bear. So many have sold their souls to that devil and they have no concept of what they have done to their souls. What are they teaching young people? That truth and integrity do not matter. All that matters is to win, regardless of the cost.

Richard Nixon, a severely compromised human, introduced, supported and signed the first environmental legislation in this country, the National Environmental Policy Act. Now, for a Republican to support environment legislation makes him or her a pariah. The idea of government telling any of us what to do, to "regulate" our activities, is a four letter word.

So sad.

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Dont be fooled. They are fine with government telling people what to do. They are fine with making a plague 50 times worse and economic collapse. They are fine with social unraveling. j They are fine with no products being on grocery store shelves. They are fine with $1000 checks sent to all adult Americans as some sort of solution. They are fine with all of these things as long as there is an R next to the name on ballot.

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Stupid assertion. Full stop.

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Make your case or make mine with these simple question. Have you turned on Trump? If not.
If all of this was happening under a Democrat along with the same exact solutions would you support that POTUS?

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"That which can be asserted with no evidence can be refuted with no evidence."

I think there is no way to know the outcomes of different paths/solutions beforehand. Further, regardless of which path we take, we can never know with certainty how effective the path actually was.

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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GruntTuff said:

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Thank you Jackson Bear. So many have sold their souls to that devil and they have no concept of what they have done to their souls. What are they teaching young people? That truth and integrity do not matter. All that matters is to win, regardless of the cost.

Richard Nixon, a severely compromised human, introduced, supported and signed the first environmental legislation in this country, the National Environmental Policy Act. Now, for a Republican to support environment legislation makes him or her a pariah. The idea of government telling any of us what to do, to "regulate" our activities, is a four letter word.

So sad.

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Dont be fooled. They are fine with government telling people what to do. They are fine with making a plague 50 times worse and economic collapse. They are fine with social unraveling. j They are fine with no products being on grocery store shelves. They are fine with $1000 checks sent to all adult Americans as some sort of solution. They are fine with all of these things as long as there is an R next to the name on ballot.

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Stupid assertion. Full stop.

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Make your case or make mine with these simple question. Have you turned on Trump? If not.
If all of this was happening under a Democrat along with the same exact solutions would you support that POTUS?

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"That which can be asserted with no evidence can be refuted with no evidence."

I think there is no way to know the outcomes of different paths/solutions beforehand. Further, regardless of which path we take, we can never know with certainty how effective the path actually was.

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You completely avoided my 2 questions which were simple and so simple that the dodging of them is an answer.

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You didnt say that. I however do not believe you to be frank about it that you would be supporting a Democrat in the WH under all of the same exact circumstances.

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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You didnt say that. I however do not believe you to be frank about it that you would be supporting a Democrat in the WH under all of the same exact circumstances.

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Very difficult to measure how little I care what you believe about me. Just hoping we never have to find out what a Democrat would do in the WH. Haven't seen a candidate this year that isn't an existential threat to our country and liberty.

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You are voting for the one who is just because he has an R next to his name. My original point.

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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You didnt say that. I however do not believe you to be frank about it that you would be supporting a Democrat in the WH under all of the same exact circumstances.

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Very difficult to measure how little I care what you believe about me. Just hoping we never have to find out what a Democrat would do in the WH. Haven't seen a candidate this year that isn't an existential threat to our country and liberty.

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You are voting for the one who is just because he has an R next to his name. My original point.

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No. Voting for the one who is not an enemy of our culture/nation/tribe/future, etc. Simple.

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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curtpenn said:

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PartyBear said:

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You didnt say that. I however do not believe you to be frank about it that you would be supporting a Democrat in the WH under all of the same exact circumstances.

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Very difficult to measure how little I care what you believe about me. Just hoping we never have to find out what a Democrat would do in the WH. Haven't seen a candidate this year that isn't an existential threat to our country and liberty.

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You are voting for the one who is just because he has an R next to his name. My original point.

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No. Voting for the one who is not an enemy of our culture/nation/tribe/future, etc. Simple.

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The results show otherwise.

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

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We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

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Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

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I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

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Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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You are getting silly .

The president you hate is obviously acting upon the input of the medical experts .

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Now.

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

---

I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

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With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

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So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

---

Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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You are getting silly .

The president you hate is obviously acting upon the input of the medical experts .

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Now.

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So Trump formed the C-19 task force back in February on a hunch right ?

No input from the medical community ........of course .

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Jack Bauer said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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curtpenn said:

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TexasScientist said:

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HashTag said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No worse than yours or mine .

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I don't believe you conduct yourself in the same manner as Trump conducts himself. I haven't seen that characteristic in your writings on this board. Surely, you see there is a difference.

---

We all have our quirks.

You and I waste time on a message board knowing full well our opinions have minimal impact on anyone else.

Trump is POTUS and making incredibly tough decisions that effect the entire world......every day .

Believe he has earned his quirks .

---

I respectfully disagree. His 'quircks' are manifestations of a serious personality disorder that dangerously determines how he makes decisions. That's why he couldn't recognize the magnitude and seriousness of this disease until it began to effect the economy, which has been his personal mantra for re-election. With the economy pulled out from under him, he pivoted, recognizing his only chance at re-election is to be seen as leading the effort in fighting the epidemic. It's very obvious.

---

With respect ...that's ridiculous . Trump closed air travel to China in January......Dems said he was xenophobic . Trump formed the C-19 task force....leftists said it was 'too white'.


The only thing that is obvious........the only solution to this viral nightmare would have been to close ALL international travel back in January along with closing ALL our borders.

An action you know would have NEVER been accepted by the American people.

Every thing else is just chatter.

---

Closing the border with China was the right thing to do, although I cynically believe, in part it conveniently fit with his trade war with China. That essentially is all he did for six weeks, when he should have embraced the German (which he doesn't like) made WHO test, in order to get ahead of this as South Korea has done. Instead, because of his personality disorder, he was dismissive and ignored the gravity of what this disease presents. The wrong kind of leadership you need in a crisis. With the right leadership we could be ahead of this and on the trajectory of South Korea, as opposed to trying to avoid the disaster Italy is facing.

Further, he's savaged and purged his advisors to the point that his 'quirks' leave him making poorly and inadequately informed decisions. All part of malignant naricissim. It's very likely he's making decisions without being fully and adequately informed.

---

So, Trump did the right thing but I believe for the wrong reason.... Okay, gotcha

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Yes, unfortunately, that's the way he works in my opinion. My opinion of Trump's motives aside, he didn't go far enough after reducing travel with China, because he didn't appreciate the threat. That's why we're behind in addressing this here now, and faced with an overwhelmed health care system.

---

Seriously, how could we expect any government to get this 100% correct. Even now, as a 65 year old presumably at greater risk I'm more concerned about the financial fallout than the health issues. I think any rational person must struggle to balance those thoughts. Should we intentionally crater the economy at the expense of something that may, or may not, be any worse than common flu? Just very difficult to see forward with any clarity. And face it, those in charge are likely to be less well informed and/or lower in cognitive skills than many of us here. If we don't have an answer, why should we expect them to?

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I agree we can't expect government to get it 100% correct, and I agree with most of what you just said. However, we already know this is worse than influenza. Therefore, we need leaders who will take the advice of those who are well informed, as opposed to going on hunches.

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You are getting silly .

The president you hate is obviously acting upon the input of the medical experts .

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Now.

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So Trump formed the C-19 task force back in February on a hunch right ?

No input from the medical community ........of course .

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Actually it was late January.

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