Canada2017 said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?

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This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.

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A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Bull****

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Booray said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?

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This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.

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A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Do you consider yourself Pro-life?

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quash said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?

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This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.

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A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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So you're also proudly a piece of ***** **** you, and thank god for the ignore function, so I won't have to read any more of your idiotic drivel.

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Stop acting like a spoiled child. Decisions have real world consequences and harm real people. Fewer people will be hurt for a shorter time if the virus just burns through. Economic damage will be less. Grow up.

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"Chinese created Wuhan flu."

Is that another way to say Covid-19 was engineered in China? A way to accuse the Chinese?

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Bearitto said:

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Buddha Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?

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This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.

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A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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I thought death panels were from socialist policies. Strange times we are living in.

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Where is anyone, including me, calling for panels. I'm calling for not bankrupting a country and starving kids so a handful of elderly will not be exposed to a virus we will all eventually get.

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Canada2017 said:

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Bearitto said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?

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This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.

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A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Bull****

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No. But, when did you forget how to communicate without being vulgar?

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When you forgot rational thought .

How many KIDS and 'worthy individuals' would needlessly die of OTHER health problems because our hospitals were over whelmed with c-18 cases if the country followed your advice ? And that is just one of the myriad of problems associated with it .

To willingly allow a novel virus with its high mutation potential to run rampant in the manner
you are advocating is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read on this form .

And that includes the bizarre ramblings of Waco47, cingue and Jinx .

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Bearitto said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Bearitto said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Bearitto said:

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LTbear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?

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This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.

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A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Bull****

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No. But, when did you forget how to communicate without being vulgar?

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When you forgot rational thought .

How many KIDS and 'worthy individuals' would needlessly die of OTHER health problems because our hospitals were over whelmed with c-18 cases if the country followed your advice ? And that is just one of the myriad of problems associated with it .

To willingly allow a novel virus with its high mutation potential to run rampant in the manner
you are advocating is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read on this form .

And that includes the bizarre ramblings of Waco47, cingue and Jinx .

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I'm one of the few here engaging in rational thought. I'm weighing the damage done (to the vast majority of the population with no chance of long term problems) by shutting down entire nations to give vain hope to a subset of people who are in their final years regardless of the virus.

This is a global warming problem in a different mask. Rational people understand that even if the world was warming due to anthropomorphic actions, it is irrational to think we will shut down how our world operates to engage it. That would mean actively forcing people to stop feeding their families in hopes of stopping nature. It would send billions off the pavement and back into the mud. This is the same problem, but people are forgetting to think rationally because it's get shorter term implications.

Stop. Take a breath. Think about the real worst case scenarios and what those mean. Think about what the damage we are doing to our economy will mean for poor families living paycheck to paycheck. Think how many more of those there are than susceptible pensioners. Think rationally.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or group, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings because of all of this lunacy.

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Or maybe it's selfish for millions of people living paycheck to paycheck because of their own poor life choices and lack of ambition to sacrifice senior citizens who've worked their whole lives for a little security. There are different ways of looking at things.

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Bearitto said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or group, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings because of all of this lunacy.

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Johnny, thanks for the post. It's thoughtful and well reasoned.

No one, including me, is advocating actively trying to harm anyone or neglecting anyone. Proportionality is the absolutely correct way to look at this.

Thanks again.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or group, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings because of all of this lunacy.

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Johnny, thanks for the post. It's thoughtful and well reasoned.

No one, including me, is advocating actively trying to harm anyone or neglecting anyone. Proportionality is the absolutely correct way to look at this.

Thanks again.

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I don't clearly see the distinction between neglecting a population and letting a disease "burn through" it. Is it that we're sending everyone a humorous get well card before they drown in their own mucus? Are we going to do even better and send them a fruit basket? I don't know, just asking questions here.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu or some other new disease to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or groups, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings which is going to have further devastating consequences going forward because of all of this lunacy.

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Kyle said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu or some other new disease to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or groups, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings which is going to have further devastating consequences going forward because of all of this lunacy.

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It will depend on whether there is a Democrat in the office. As unpopular as this opinion may be, I do believe much of this simply is third times the charm. We are doing much more harm to myriad more people that necessary. Lots of people will be irrevocably damaged from the mass hysteria in HMO. Every day we make determinations that some risk is worth it - we let automobiles on the road, planes fly, and people ride bicycles or motorcycles knowing some will die.

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Bearitto said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Bearitto said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Bearitto said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bearitto said:

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or group, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings because of all of this lunacy.

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Johnny, thanks for the post. It's thoughtful and well reasoned.

No one, including me, is advocating actively trying to harm anyone or neglecting anyone. Proportionality is the absolutely correct way to look at this.

Thanks again.

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I don't clearly see the distinction between neglecting a population and letting a disease "burn through" it. Is it that we're sending everyone a humorous get well card before they drown in their own mucus? Are we going to do even better and send them a fruit basket? I don't know, just asking questions here.

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Neglecting involves failing to treat illness. The other involves not turning your entire society into a prison in vain hope of stopping nature.

You see the difference. I know you do. You just don't like the word choice.

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Bearitto, as a senior citizen in the process of transitioning into living as a "pensioner" just wanted to say I whole heartedly agree with you. What is happening is insane for the reasons you've noted in your posts and I furthermore fear what this dangerous precedent means for the future. Does anybody think this is the last time we're going to have to deal with a new rogue virus? Are we going to immediately shut everything down and take drastic actions to crash markets and crash the economy every time we have a new strain of the flu to deal with from here on out? Also, as we're in the process of destroying ourselves economically what happens if a real crises erupts such as a vast natural disaster, or a military attack in some part of the world and we have to respond to it in this self induced weakened state? While I'm all for taking proportionate (key word "proportionate") actions to provide as much information as possible to the public and to protect to a reasonable and practical extent the most vulnerable group or group, what we're doing is nuts and I'm appalled at all of the so-called compassionate people out there that obviously have no compassion for all of the people that are going to needlessly lose jobs, livelihoods, businesses, and life savings because of all of this lunacy.

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Johnny, thanks for the post. It's thoughtful and well reasoned.

No one, including me, is advocating actively trying to harm anyone or neglecting anyone. Proportionality is the absolutely correct way to look at this.

Thanks again.

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I don't clearly see the distinction between neglecting a population and letting a disease "burn through" it. Is it that we're sending everyone a humorous get well card before they drown in their own mucus? Are we going to do even better and send them a fruit basket? I don't know, just asking questions here.

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Neglecting involves failing to treat illness. The other involves not turning your entire society into a prison in vain hope of stopping nature.

You see the difference. I know you do. You just don't like the word choice.

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So we should treat everyone who gets sick. We just shouldn't go out of our way to minimize the number of people who get sick.

And I'm hearing you right that this is how we're going to save the economy?

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Is it 61 now and 40 in Washington state? That's what I last read and most in Washington state are in a nursing home that had a previous $145,000,000 penalty for fraud!!!

Seems majorly cases are in democrat states which seems suspicious. Fake News all?

Oh well as regular flu deaths rapidly increase over 20,000 I'm guessing 450 coronavirus deaths thanks to swift actions of President Trump!!!

Sic em Trump

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Just in case anyone wants to revise their predictions...

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I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

Trump's fixing to be a hero in about 60 days max

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I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

Trump's fixing to be a hero in about 60 days max

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Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.

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Just say what you mean, too many words.

Money is more important to you than life. Congrats, you're like 95% of the planet, selfish and ignorant.

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I said what I mean thanks. Children and families are more important than the last hope of immortality of 15% of the sickest elderly. This isn't about money. It's about what money buys...food for kids, school supplies, the mortgage for their house.

It's incredibly selfish for sick pensioners to expect hundreds of millions of people, many living paycheck to paycheck and with families, to scramble for food and hope they can pay their rent or mortgage, etc.

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Like it or not, things are shutting down, to save lives. Do you have any update on how much monetary sacrifice lives are worth? I'm just curious. You are being intellectually dishonest with your "hope of immortality" argument. The median age of death is not 95, it is not 80, it is far below.

This is not "sick pensioners" on their "last hope for immortality" here, these are real people who want to enjoy their lives. You are trying to marginalize them, which is sick, and disgusting. I don't really care who agrees with you that money for young people is worth "eff the old," it's just not happening.

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Your argument against saving lives is..... Suicide. Well done, well done. You've convinced all of us. If it turns out that people willingly ending their lives might increase from the rate of 10 per 100k to 18 per 100k, we shouldn't take precautionary measures against a virus, which, let's go straight to worst case scenario like you did, will kill 2 million Americans.

Ok.

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Your argument against saving lives is..... Suicide. Well done, well done. You've convinced all of us. If it turns out that people willingly ending their lives might increase from the rate of 10 per 100k to 18 per 100k, we shouldn't take precautionary measures against a virus, which, let's go straight to worst case scenario like you did, will kill 2 million Americans.

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That was one aspect of the argument. I'm not surprised you don't understand all of it and just focused on the pictures. There were a lot of big words there.

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I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

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