Reopen the Economy???

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Waco1947
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What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
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45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at last, no decency
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muddybrazos
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Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
maybe the most vulnerable citizens should keep doing what theyre doing and stay home while the rest of have the option to carry on as we choose.
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Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
Ah Ha!!! 47 is Joe Biden! Just look at that last sentence. HE's JOE!!!
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He said that he would like to open up the economy on Easter. He didn't say it would or that any decision had been made.

But go ahead and freak out.
“At the end of the day, for 40 minutes, we just kicked their ass.”

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Easy for those that can sit at the house and still draw their pension/income get all righteous about those that have to work to get paid.
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Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
You do realize Gov Cuomo and many other Dems are saying the same thing as Trump.

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Friscobear said:

He said that he would like to open up the economy on Easter. He didn't say it would or that any decision had been made.

But go ahead and freak out.
If Trump ditches the current guidelines and it is against the advice of the medical experts....and charts that we can see for ourselves that indicate it to be ill-advised, he is putting all his chips for November in one big, final bet.

If things are back opened, people start going out (a large majority would not for fear of getting the virus and passing it along to their kids and parents), and the economy picks up without a negative effect on our hospital system, he can claim himself a hero and might still have a chance in November.

If with things back opened and the virus gets worse, meaning more die or massive numbers of under 50s get sick and have to be hospitalized, overwhelming the healthcare system, he is toast for 2020.

I think the odds are that the latter situation is more likely. But either way he would be making a one-time irreversible bet on November. Who is willing to bet with complete confidence that the former option (opening up) does not cause alarming increases in cases which just statically would result in overflowing hospitals not even being able to take care of normal emergencies?

And anyone here not willing to admit that to Trump this is all about his re-election needs to go sit in the corner. because you are too stupid or biased to play. That trumps (no pun intended) everything....economy, peoples' lives, everything.

My opinion is that he will NOT reopen in two weeks. I think those surrounding him will convince him it is his worst option. And even if he does, the governors and local officials will not. They have to deal with the mess, not him.
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riflebear said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
You do realize Gov Cuomo and many other Dems are saying the same thing as Trump.


You think he gives a rat's? Can't let facts or reason get in the way of a crazed rant.
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blackie said:

Friscobear said:

He said that he would like to open up the economy on Easter. He didn't say it would or that any decision had been made.

But go ahead and freak out.
If Trump ditches the current guidelines and it is against the advice of the medical experts....and charts that we can see for ourselves that indicate it to be ill-advised, he is putting all his chips for November in one big, final bet.

If things are back opened, people start going out (a large majority would not for fear of getting the virus and passing it along to their kids and parents), and the economy picks up without a negative effect on our hospital system, he can claim himself a hero and might still have a chance in November.

If with things back opened and the virus gets worse, meaning more die or massive numbers of under 50s get sick and have to be hospitalized, overwhelming the healthcare system, he is toast for 2020.

I think the odds are that the latter situation is more likely. But either way he would be making a one-time irreversible bet on November. Who is willing to bet with complete confidence that the former option (opening up) does not cause alarming increases in cases which just statically would result in overflowing hospitals not even being able to take care of normal emergencies?

And anyone here not willing to admit that to Trump this is all about his re-election needs to go sit in the corner. because you are too stupid or biased to play. That trumps (no pun intended) everything....economy, peoples' lives, everything.

My opinion is that he will NOT reopen in two weeks. I think those surrounding him will convince him it is his worst option. And even if he does, the governors and local officials will not. They have to deal with the mess, not him.


What you have to remember is the Trump has not lead and ordered any of this. There is a PR campaign about 15 days of social separation that was announced in March 13th. But businesses were shutting down on their own. Universities were shutting down on their own. The NCAA was shutting down on its own. Disney and Universal resorts, Vegas and cruises were shutting down on their own.Adam Smith's invisible hand was at work and doing this before March 13th. Then shelter in place orders came but from Governors and local leaders depending on the state. There is nothing Trump can reverse because he wasn't the one who acted.

If he called on everything to go back to normal on Sunday night, it won't. This is out of his control.
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Waco1947 said:

What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work


blackie
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PartyBear said:

blackie said:

Friscobear said:

He said that he would like to open up the economy on Easter. He didn't say it would or that any decision had been made.

But go ahead and freak out.
If Trump ditches the current guidelines and it is against the advice of the medical experts....and charts that we can see for ourselves that indicate it to be ill-advised, he is putting all his chips for November in one big, final bet.

If things are back opened, people start going out (a large majority would not for fear of getting the virus and passing it along to their kids and parents), and the economy picks up without a negative effect on our hospital system, he can claim himself a hero and might still have a chance in November.

If with things back opened and the virus gets worse, meaning more die or massive numbers of under 50s get sick and have to be hospitalized, overwhelming the healthcare system, he is toast for 2020.

I think the odds are that the latter situation is more likely. But either way he would be making a one-time irreversible bet on November. Who is willing to bet with complete confidence that the former option (opening up) does not cause alarming increases in cases which just statically would result in overflowing hospitals not even being able to take care of normal emergencies?

And anyone here not willing to admit that to Trump this is all about his re-election needs to go sit in the corner. because you are too stupid or biased to play. That trumps (no pun intended) everything....economy, peoples' lives, everything.

My opinion is that he will NOT reopen in two weeks. I think those surrounding him will convince him it is his worst option. And even if he does, the governors and local officials will not. They have to deal with the mess, not him.


What you have to remember is the Trump has not lead and ordered any of this. There is a PR campaign about 15 days of social separation that was announced in March 13th. But businesses were shutting down on their own. Universities were shutting down on their own. The NCAA was shutting down on its own. Disney and Universal resorts, Vegas and cruises were shutting down on their own.Adam Smith's invisible hand was at work and doing this before March 13th. Then shelter in place orders came but from Governors and local leaders depending on the state. There is nothing Trump can reverse because he wasn't the one who acted.

If he called on everything to go back to normal on Sunday night, it won't. This is out of his control.
Agree on all points. That is what makes things critical for him....he would be overriding things everyone else did because they were listening to qualified professionals, not listening to their "gut".
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Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. I can assure you the Shelter in place California, NY, Ohio and even in Waco is not ending early even if Trump called on all of them to be over. This would be the case across the country. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
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Waco1947 said:

What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work


Yes. Get off your ass and get back to work!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
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PartyBear said:

Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
I think I said this in the last couple of sentences in my original post. I agree with you.
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muddybrazos said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
maybe the most vulnerable citizens should keep doing what theyre doing and stay home while the rest of have the option to carry on as we choose.
The most vulnerable citizens have been doing what they're doing now from the beginning for the most part, at least in the terms of the elderly. The seniors that have been infected didn't catch this virus at a ballgame, concert or rave. They caught it from "the rest carrying on as we chose."

Most 80-plus year old individuals spend the vast majority of their lives in their homes. Those of us who don't are the ones infecting them.
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riflebear said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
You do realize Gov Cuomo and many other Dems are saying the same thing as Trump.


Those may not be our desires, but they are the likeliest outcomes. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Like it or not, you can prioritize the nation's health or its economy. You can't choose both and selecting one jeopardizes the other. Sadly, it really is that simple.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Easy for those that can sit at the house and still draw their pension/income get all righteous about those that have to work to get paid.
This a thousand times repeated. Hopefully there will be a ton of job openings and young generation can get better jobs in the recovery.

My caveat however is Waco47 is so ****ing political he doesn't really care. He just wants everyone to be as miserable as he/she/it.
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PartyBear said:

Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. I can assure you the Shelter in place California, NY, Ohio and even in Waco is not ending early even if Trump called on all of them to be over. This would be the case across the country. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
Well Trump has the balls to tell Disney if they don't open, no bailout lol. I'm not sure he is the final authority on bailouts but I'd be careful of pissing him off right now. He is going to enjoy his last ten months in office regardless.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

PartyBear said:

Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. I can assure you the Shelter in place California, NY, Ohio and even in Waco is not ending early even if Trump called on all of them to be over. This would be the case across the country. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
Well Trump has the balls to tell Disney if they don't open, no bailout lol. I'm not sure he is the final authority on bailouts but I'd be careful of pissing him off right now. He is going to enjoy his last ten months in office regardless.
I think Trump and Mnuchin having discretion on the bailouts is one of the sticking points they have been negotiaing. The optics of any restart, especially if tried to be instigated by Trump will depend on what the medical experts are saying at that point.
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Trump is not going to be allowed to be corrupt with the bailout money. The Senate will have to drop that provision to get a bill passed.
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Waco1947
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muddybrazos said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
maybe the most vulnerable citizens should keep doing what they're doing and stay home while the rest of have the option to carry on as we choose.
Sure infect the vulnerable citizens with your irresponsibility And employers open themselves to lawsuit if their workers get infected by it. For Christians, it is called Community and Compassion - for citizens it is called mutual caring and responsibility.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

PartyBear said:

Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. I can assure you the Shelter in place California, NY, Ohio and even in Waco is not ending early even if Trump called on all of them to be over. This would be the case across the country. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
Well Trump has the balls to tell Disney if they don't open, no bailout lol. I'm not sure he is the final authority on bailouts but I'd be careful of pissing him off right now. He is going to enjoy his last ten months in office regardless.
Tell Disney to reopen? Sounds like socialism,
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Waco1947 said:

What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work


Yes. Get off your ass and get back to work!
And get infected? Ordered by the government? Socialism?
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Waco1947 said:

Aliceinbubbleland said:

PartyBear said:

Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. I can assure you the Shelter in place California, NY, Ohio and even in Waco is not ending early even if Trump called on all of them to be over. This would be the case across the country. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
Well Trump has the balls to tell Disney if they don't open, no bailout lol. I'm not sure he is the final authority on bailouts but I'd be careful of pissing him off right now. He is going to enjoy his last ten months in office regardless.
Tell Disney to reopen? Sounds like socialism,
LMFAO. Why am I not surprised you think this way? Do you require every parishioner to put equal amounts into your collection plate?
Waco1947
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
Ah Ha!!! 47 is Joe Biden! Just look at that last sentence. HE's JOE!!!
Good lord what stupidity. The idea to which you did not respond is - 45 has no decency whether Biden said it.
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Friscobear said:

He said that he would like to open up the economy on Easter. He didn't say it would or that any decision had been made.

But go ahead and freak out.
As usual in your rush to be silly. you missed The question. It is "How can he 'open the economy/?'"
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

Easy for those that can sit at the house and still draw their pension/income get all righteous about those that have to work to get paid.
This a thousand times repeated. Hopefully there will be a ton of job openings and young generation can get better jobs in the recovery.

My caveat however is Waco47 is so ****ing political he doesn't really care. He just wants everyone to be as miserable as he/she/it.
How is it you think you know that I don't care care? You have no proof. You are a citizen responsible for other citizens as they are for you. The vulnerable citizens in our midst cannot be abandoned.
Remind my sometime to tell you story of the little boy and the wooden spoon.
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bear2be2 said:

riflebear said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
You do realize Gov Cuomo and many other Dems are saying the same thing as Trump.


Those may not be our desires, but they are the likeliest outcomes. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Like it or not, you can prioritize the nation's health or its economy. You can't choose both and selecting one jeopardizes the other. Sadly, it really is that simple.
You are begging the question "How can 45 'open the economy?'"
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

Waco1947 said:

Aliceinbubbleland said:

PartyBear said:

Yes but Governors and Mayors don't have to listen to him and I doubt they will. I can assure you the Shelter in place California, NY, Ohio and even in Waco is not ending early even if Trump called on all of them to be over. This would be the case across the country. Disney doesn't have to open Disney World back up if they aren't ready and they won't just because Trump calls on them to. In short he is powerless to override this.
Well Trump has the balls to tell Disney if they don't open, no bailout lol. I'm not sure he is the final authority on bailouts but I'd be careful of pissing him off right now. He is going to enjoy his last ten months in office regardless.
Tell Disney to reopen? Sounds like socialism,
LMFAO. Why am I not surprised you think this way? Do you require every parishioner to put equal amounts into your collection plate?
You are begging the question. Is it or is it not Socialism for 45 to open the economy? You are ducking
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Waco1947 said:

Aliceinbubbleland said:

Forest Bueller_bf said:

Easy for those that can sit at the house and still draw their pension/income get all righteous about those that have to work to get paid.
This a thousand times repeated. Hopefully there will be a ton of job openings and young generation can get better jobs in the recovery.

My caveat however is Waco47 is so ****ing political he doesn't really care. He just wants everyone to be as miserable as he/she/it.
How is it you think you know that I don't care care? You have no proof. You are a citizen responsible for other citizens as they are for you. The vulnerable citizens in our midst cannot be abandoned.
Remind my sometime to tell you story of the little boy and the wooden spoon.
You're about as coherent as Biden
Waco1947
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riflebear said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
You do realize Gov Cuomo and many other Dems are saying the same thing as Trump.


Show me where Cuomo said it.
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Friscobear said:

He said that he would like to open up the economy on Easter. He didn't say it would or that any decision had been made.

But go ahead and freak out.
You are begging the question. It is not about freaking out but How does 45 open the economy?
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Waco1947 said:

muddybrazos said:

Waco1947 said:

45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at, no decency
maybe the most vulnerable citizens should keep doing what they're doing and stay home while the rest of have the option to carry on as we choose.
Sure infect the vulnerable citizens with your irresponsibility And employers open themselves to lawsuit if their workers get infected by it. For Christians, it is called Community and Compassion - for citizens it is called mutual caring and responsibility.
You should get a Michael Jackson bubble to live in.
 
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