Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
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Realitybites said:wi[q[quot said:Quote:
The Cure Cannot be Allowed to Be Worse than the Disease.
Unemployment is never worse than death or permanent disability.
Unemployment is not all "the cure" might entail. Death is also part of "the cure."
Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
Sam, you might enjoy reading about how wrong you are. Happy to help.
https://projects.thecity.nyc/2020_03_covid-19-tracker/
Take a look at the graph "Capacity at permanent hospitals in NYC". I think you will particularly enjoy that one.
I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
I didn't. But I'm getting used to it.Bearitto said:Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
Sam, you might enjoy reading about how right you are. Happy to help.
Do you actually believe this stuff, or are you just relying on a couple of Twitter feeds for your news?Sam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Click the links and find out.Kyle said:Do you actually believe this stuff, or are you just relying on a couple of Twitter feeds for your news?Sam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Old articles and situations on the ground have changed drastically including field hospitals that are barely being used.Sam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
https://success.ada.org/~/media/CPS/Files/COVID/OSHA_Guidance_on_Preparing_Workplaces_for_COVID-19.pdf
OSHA Guidance on Preparing Workplaces for Covid 19
Cuomo says things are different since this April 2 story was published. This is April 18 NYTSam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo arrived to his daily coronavirus briefing in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday with cautionary good news: The state has continued to make progress in its battle with a virus that has killed more than 13,000 residents, enough people to populate an upstate small city.
"If you look at the past three days, you could argue we are past the plateau and starting to descend," Mr. Cuomo said. "So, we're not at the plateau anymore, but we're still not in a good position."
Mr. Cuomo announced the state's daily death toll from the virus had fallen to 540, down from 630 a day earlier. It was the lowest daily number in more than two weeks.
Still, he warned that the health crisis was far from over. On Friday alone, about 2,000 people were admitted to city hospitals with Covid-19 symptoms, a number similar to what hospitals were seeing as the pandemic began to peak in late March.
"Doctors will tell you that the emergency rooms have fewer people in them," Mr. Cuomo said. "They were at max capacity for a long time."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Good.Osodecentx said:Cuomo says things are different since this April 2 story was published. This is April 18 NYTSam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo arrived to his daily coronavirus briefing in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday with cautionary good news: The state has continued to make progress in its battle with a virus that has killed more than 13,000 residents, enough people to populate an upstate small city.
"If you look at the past three days, you could argue we are past the plateau and starting to descend," Mr. Cuomo said. "So, we're not at the plateau anymore, but we're still not in a good position."
Mr. Cuomo announced the state's daily death toll from the virus had fallen to 540, down from 630 a day earlier. It was the lowest daily number in more than two weeks.
Still, he warned that the health crisis was far from over. On Friday alone, about 2,000 people were admitted to city hospitals with Covid-19 symptoms, a number similar to what hospitals were seeing as the pandemic began to peak in late March.
"Doctors will tell you that the emergency rooms have fewer people in them," Mr. Cuomo said. "They were at max capacity for a long time."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
They're being used to the extent they can, given bureaucratic obstacles and lack of supplies.ATL Bear said:Old articles and situations on the ground have changed drastically including field hospitals that are barely being used.Sam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Might as well go full CBS and post links to bubonic plague film from Venice in the 1300s.Sam Lowry said:Click the links and find out.Kyle said:Do you actually believe this stuff, or are you just relying on a couple of Twitter feeds for your news?Sam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Yes, it isSam Lowry said:Good.Osodecentx said:Cuomo says things are different since this April 2 story was published. This is April 18 NYTSam Lowry said:I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.Osodecentx said:Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?Sam Lowry said:Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.Flaming Moderate said:Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.Sam Lowry said:A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.Flaming Moderate said:Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.Sam Lowry said:You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.Flaming Moderate said:I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.tommie said:Flaming Moderate said:So how do you answer for:tommie said:
Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo arrived to his daily coronavirus briefing in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday with cautionary good news: The state has continued to make progress in its battle with a virus that has killed more than 13,000 residents, enough people to populate an upstate small city.
"If you look at the past three days, you could argue we are past the plateau and starting to descend," Mr. Cuomo said. "So, we're not at the plateau anymore, but we're still not in a good position."
Mr. Cuomo announced the state's daily death toll from the virus had fallen to 540, down from 630 a day earlier. It was the lowest daily number in more than two weeks.
Still, he warned that the health crisis was far from over. On Friday alone, about 2,000 people were admitted to city hospitals with Covid-19 symptoms, a number similar to what hospitals were seeing as the pandemic began to peak in late March.
"Doctors will tell you that the emergency rooms have fewer people in them," Mr. Cuomo said. "They were at max capacity for a long time."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
So one post you are complaining about 'bragging' and the next for not listing my donations. I am confusedOldbear83 said:You did not answer, you tried to virtue signal and I noticed you don't give a penny to the people who lost their jobs because of the shutdown, and you don't plan to do so.Waco1947 said:You asked. "How much money are you personally donating to people who lost their jobs, Waco?Oldbear83 said:
Bragging on your ass means nothing when you are willing to see millions lose their life savings just so you can feel good in your paranoia.
You are an hypocrite, Waco.
thenS T F U," .Notice the question mark?
So, I answered. Why is that bragging to simply answer your question?
Therefore you are an hypocrite for demanding someone else suffer at your command.
Waco1947
I was asked about what i did, I answered, It's both.-- pension and Social Security and I am very aware of those including you who have made my life better in retirement. Thank you for being a good citizen. What shall I do on a limited budget?Forest Bueller said:So to shorten your usual self aggrandizement, you haven't given anything, while you still draw your pension or social security, whichever it may be.Waco1947 said:I have donated countless hours to those who lost jobs. I have participated in 40 builds for Habitat for Humanity. These homeowners who are mostly wage earners have their loans through Habitat for Humanity Mortgage Company at 0% interest and HFH is working with clients to forbear on these loansOldbear83 said:How much money are you personally donating to people who lost their jobs, Waco?Waco1947 said:The cure (stay at home) is not worse than the disease. The disease kills while you sip coffee.william said:
even the TDS'ers must agree that amid the never-ending stream of miasmatic megalomaniac nonsense AO let's loose with a concise accurate common-sensical summation of things:
The Cure Cannot be Allowed to Be Worse than the Disease.
#Retumesce'Murrica
- Loaded
{ sipping coffee }
S T F U, then.
I also support Democrats who have for years supported livable wages, affordable healthcare, preventing all the money from going to the 1%, paid sick leave, quality education K through college and trade school etc. Changing Public Policy is one huge way to increase wealth and savings for the working poor. It is an economy of scale. I choose to have my tax dollars work to help the working poor and I choose HFH to donate my hours with countless other volunteers.
Waco1947
Your financial donations to people who actually lost their jobs in this crisis are $0.00, Waco.Waco1947 said:So one post you are complaining about 'bragging' and the next for not listing my donations. I am confusedOldbear83 said:You did not answer, you tried to virtue signal and I noticed you don't give a penny to the people who lost their jobs because of the shutdown, and you don't plan to do so.Waco1947 said:You asked. "How much money are you personally donating to people who lost their jobs, Waco?Oldbear83 said:
Bragging on your ass means nothing when you are willing to see millions lose their life savings just so you can feel good in your paranoia.
You are an hypocrite, Waco.
thenS T F U," .Notice the question mark?
So, I answered. Why is that bragging to simply answer your question?
Therefore you are an hypocrite for demanding someone else suffer at your command.
Not sure you'd want me to call more attention to that.
I am sorry but who made you judge? And how do you know? You simply lie.Oldbear83 said:Your financial donations to people who actually lost their jobs in this crisis are $0.00, Waco.Waco1947 said:So one post you are complaining about 'bragging' and the next for not listing my donations. I am confusedOldbear83 said:You did not answer, you tried to virtue signal and I noticed you don't give a penny to the people who lost their jobs because of the shutdown, and you don't plan to do so.Waco1947 said:You asked. "How much money are you personally donating to people who lost their jobs, Waco?Oldbear83 said:
Bragging on your ass means nothing when you are willing to see millions lose their life savings just so you can feel good in your paranoia.
You are an hypocrite, Waco.
thenS T F U," .Notice the question mark?
So, I answered. Why is that bragging to simply answer your question?
Therefore you are an hypocrite for demanding someone else suffer at your command.
Not sure you'd want me to call more attention to that.
Waco1947
I do not lie. I asked you, and then spoke according to your own words.Waco1947 said:I am sorry but who made you judge? And how do you know? You simply lie.Oldbear83 said:Your financial donations to people who actually lost their jobs in this crisis are $0.00, Waco.Waco1947 said:So one post you are complaining about 'bragging' and the next for not listing my donations. I am confusedOldbear83 said:You did not answer, you tried to virtue signal and I noticed you don't give a penny to the people who lost their jobs because of the shutdown, and you don't plan to do so.Waco1947 said:You asked. "How much money are you personally donating to people who lost their jobs, Waco?Oldbear83 said:
Bragging on your ass means nothing when you are willing to see millions lose their life savings just so you can feel good in your paranoia.
You are an hypocrite, Waco.
thenS T F U," .Notice the question mark?
So, I answered. Why is that bragging to simply answer your question?
Therefore you are an hypocrite for demanding someone else suffer at your command.
Not sure you'd want me to call more attention to that.
OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These havea say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
Waco1947
Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These havea say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hilry had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
We could turn out-of-use school buses into low-cost mobile COVID test labs
Quote:
A new design proposes using a simple kit of parts to retrofit school buses as mobile labs that could travel around cities and rural areas bringing tests where they're most needed, going beyond what's currently available. "Our starting point in this was how can we bring [testing] to the community as opposed to making them go to it?" says Mariana Giraldo, a planning and strategy specialist at the design firm Perkins and Will who worked on the new COVID-19 mobile lab along with a team of other designers.
Drive-through tests have advantages to testing in hospitals since people can be more isolated than if they were waiting in waiting rooms, helping prevent those with the virus from infecting others. "But at the same time, it's not necessarily equitable," she says. "There are a lot of communities that don't have cars or that are so dense that it would be impossible to have the speed that we need for the testing." The mobile lab could also quickly bring tests to nursing homes or remote communities.
jupiter said:
We could turn out-of-use school buses into low-cost mobile COVID test labs
Quote:
A new design proposes using a simple kit of parts to retrofit school buses as mobile labs that could travel around cities and rural areas bringing tests where they're most needed, going beyond what's currently available. "Our starting point in this was how can we bring [testing] to the community as opposed to making them go to it?" says Mariana Giraldo, a planning and strategy specialist at the design firm Perkins and Will who worked on the new COVID-19 mobile lab along with a team of other designers.
Drive-through tests have advantages to testing in hospitals since people can be more isolated than if they were waiting in waiting rooms, helping prevent those with the virus from infecting others. "But at the same time, it's not necessarily equitable," she says. "There are a lot of communities that don't have cars or that are so dense that it would be impossible to have the speed that we need for the testing." The mobile lab could also quickly bring tests to nursing homes or remote communities.
This seems like a really good idea.
Made up narratives about me are not fact. Here is the real issue:: The President can not reopen the economy by himself. Do you have a response OB83?Oldbear83 said:Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These have a say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hillary had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
I do not make up narratives. I have said plainly that your malice blinds you to truth, 'minister'.Waco1947 said:Made up narratives about me are not fact. Here is the real issue:: The President can not reopen the economy by himself. Do you have a response OB83?Oldbear83 said:Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These have a say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hillary had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
I hope and pray that one day you will truly follow Christ and put away your hate.
Good for capitalismjupiter said:
45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at last, no decencyOldbear83 said:I do not make up narratives. I have said plainly that your malice blinds you to truth, 'minister'.Waco1947 said:Made up narratives about me are not fact. Here is the real issue:: The President can not reopen the economy by himself. Do you have a response OB83?Oldbear83 said:Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These have a say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hillary had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
I hope and pray that one day you will truly follow Christ and put away your hate.
My faith (which you know nothing about) is not the issue. The President's irresponsible behavior is the issue.
Psalm 82 speaks to President's moral leadership.
God is the speaker,
"How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
Give justice to the weak and the orphan;
maintain the right of the lowly and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy."
Waco speaks only from hate.Waco1947 said:45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at last, no decencyOldbear83 said:I do not make up narratives. I have said plainly that your malice blinds you to truth, 'minister'.Waco1947 said:Made up narratives about me are not fact. Here is the real issue:: The President can not reopen the economy by himself. Do you have a response OB83?Oldbear83 said:Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These have a say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hillary had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
I hope and pray that one day you will truly follow Christ and put away your hate.
My faith (which you know nothing about) is not the issue. The President's irresponsible behavior is the issue.
Psalm 82 speaks to President's moral leadership.
God is the speaker,
"How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
Give justice to the weak and the orphan;
maintain the right of the lowly and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy."
That is all he knows
Waco is the modern Caiaphas.
Here is the issue.Oldbear83 said:Waco speaks only from hate.Waco1947 said:45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at last, no decencyOldbear83 said:I do not make up narratives. I have said plainly that your malice blinds you to truth, 'minister'.Waco1947 said:Made up narratives about me are not fact. Here is the real issue:: The President can not reopen the economy by himself. Do you have a response OB83?Oldbear83 said:Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These have a say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hillary had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
I hope and pray that one day you will truly follow Christ and put away your hate.
My faith (which you know nothing about) is not the issue. The President's irresponsible behavior is the issue.
Psalm 82 speaks to President's moral leadership.
God is the speaker,
"How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
Give justice to the weak and the orphan;
maintain the right of the lowly and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy."
That is all he knows
Waco is the modern Caiaphas.
45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at last, no decency.
My faith (which you know nothing about) is not the issue. The President's irresponsible behavior is the issue.
Psalm 82 speaks to President's moral leadership.
God is the speaker,
"How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
Give justice to the weak and the orphan;
maintain the right of the lowly and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy."
Also, I think he's been off his meds for too longOldbear83 said:Waco speaks only from hate.Waco1947 said:45 is willing to sacrifice the most vulnerable citizens on behalf of Wall Street. Shame on him. He has, at last, no decencyOldbear83 said:I do not make up narratives. I have said plainly that your malice blinds you to truth, 'minister'.Waco1947 said:Made up narratives about me are not fact. Here is the real issue:: The President can not reopen the economy by himself. Do you have a response OB83?Oldbear83 said:Poooor Waco.Waco1947 said:OB83 chooses to attack me rather respond to the OP.Waco1947 said:
What does that mean? Business will reopen when it's safe - Capitalism at work
I am not the president. Mr Trump is the president and he does not have the power to re - open the economy.
These have a say in re-opening:
1. The business themselves. Maybe they don't want lawsuits because someone contracted COvid.
2. Local cities and counties
3. Governors
He's still wishing Hillary had somehow won in 2016, and he cannot accept the reality in which the rest of us live.
I hope and pray that one day you will truly follow Christ and put away your hate.
My faith (which you know nothing about) is not the issue. The President's irresponsible behavior is the issue.
Psalm 82 speaks to President's moral leadership.
God is the speaker,
"How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?
Give justice to the weak and the orphan;
maintain the right of the lowly and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy."
That is all he knows
Waco is the modern Caiaphas.