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Good starting point for reopening at today's press conference. I say starting point because new data points will become known in the future.
Focused press conference. To the point. Presidential.
So how do you answer for:
- Women and children trapped at home facing increased domestic violence or sexual abuse?
- Children falling behind wealthier peers at school because their homes are not conducive to online learning?
- Single mothers and father trying to hold onto a work from home job and teach their kids?
- People suffering because they cannot get needed surgery?
- The poor and middle classes who will lose their homes, savings, and ability to feed their families?
I don't have an answer for all the worlds problems.
You're asking public policy questions that are an issue EVEN without a pandemic.
That's a deflection with all due respect, and you know it. This is not all the world's problems but problems caused by the shutdown.
That is like saying because there is gun-related crime we should not do anything to mitigate school shootings. '
The shutdown directly causes or significantly exacerbates these problems, so how do you account for the least of these suffering much more under the shutdown?
If you support continuing the shutdown, then you owe the people you're hurting an answer, so what is yours?
You want us to believe that kids and women are abused now bout weren't before the shutdown?
That families before the shutdown weren't struggling to pay bills but are now? That poor kids weren't falling behind in the classroom but now they are?
Can I move into your neighborhood?
Yes. The Tarrant County Sheriff was on the radio this morning and said domestic violence calls were significantly up since the shutdown. Not sure how familiar you are with abused children and women, but for many work and school is a sanctuary where they can find needed support, comfort, and escape. I know many teachers in tears daily because for a few of their students, school was the only safe place in their lives away from abusive parents, neighborhood thugs, and corrupt cops.
Do you think it is more difficult to pay bills without a job? For the 20M people that have lost their jobs since the shutdown, do you think that is easier or more difficult to pay bills? The layoffs are disproportionately affecting the poor and middle class, but no one really cares about them it seems.
Again, for many poor kids, home life is not optimal. We take for granted we have irenic homes an Internet access. For many smart, poor kids, their homes are just not conducive for online learning. Where at once they stayed after school studying in the library or learned in class, now they may not even be able to access online learning or certainly lack the environment for learning.
I would love to take you around some of these neighborhoods. You would be surprised at what we take for granted. I had a former "little brother" who was very smart both book and common sense, but his mom did not provide a stable home environment. They moved frequently depending on boyfriends and bill collectors. Shean was one of those kids on the bubble - this would have popped any chance for him to go to college.
Think about all those kids that needed one great semester to earn a scholarship for athletics or academics. All "poof." I just have a lot of sympathy for the least of these being irrefutably harmed by the shutdown. We're all blessed and guilty of living in a bubble and not really thinking about how our silly online banter affects real people.
What's your solution? The death of the woman? Orphaning the kids?
FTR, I give every year to a woman shelter because I know abuse is real. (I've never experienced it).
I want a complete, holistic, thoughtful solution that rejects binary thinking (especially that inspired by political bigotry) and considering the impact of this shutdown on everyone, especially the least of these. Given the options available, I would support re-opening where possible to reduce the risk of the scenarios above. I'm surprised you would disagree. You definitely seem to be on the "pro close" side yet you support the continued operation of public transportation, which likely spreads the virus more than just about anything. While I disagree with you and find it inconsistent, I understand your point: some people rely on it. That's True. People also rely on jobs, schools, health care ... don't get why you're so flippant in wanting to take that away.
You can't talk about the least of these without talking about the sick. They are among the people Jesus was referring to. Medieval Christians invented hospitals as a double act of charity - in part to care for the sick, and in part to sequester them and protect those who were not yet infected. Under the Roman empire, Christians embarrassed the authorities by taking better of care of sick pagans than their own government was doing. Too many Christians today are embarrassing themselves (and all of us) by denying science, advancing paranoid theories, embracing a superstitious belief in their own invulnerability, and focusing only on their individual rights with no concern for the wider community.
I've endured a lot of lectures from pro-abortion people who like to say conservative Christians are misogynistic and more pro-birth than pro-life. A lot of these lectures are delivered in bad faith, but the last few weeks have shown me that there's more truth in them than I realized. All these problems that are supposedly going to destroy society - financial ruin, hungry kids, domestic violence, depression, drug abuse, suicide - are the same ones used to justify abortion. If you're a woman you're supposed to suck it up and tough it out. Apparently the same doesn't apply to us guys and our small businesses and stock portfolios.
Sam - not sure if I posted this here or on the other thread, but on my list were those suffering because they could not receive needed health care or surgery because of the lockdown. The sick is near the top of the list.
A short delay in elective surgery doesn't begin to compare with the suffering when emergency rooms and intensive care units are overwhelmed.
Sam, normally you're pretty reasoned and thoughtful. For whatever reason, you have really lost your commons sense here. Have you every sat in pain waiting on needed medical attention? What if you cannot walk or move due to excruciating pain. You want to just tell those people - it is just a short delay. Are you serious? There literally is not a single overwhelmed hospital in the United States.
Yes, I've been in severe pain before. Some cases are clearly emergent, some clearly not, and some are judgment calls that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Being told you have to reschedule can be difficult. Being triaged and allowed to die is much worse. Common sense should easily see the difference.
The claim that no hospitals have been overwhelmed is patently false. I don't know where it keeps coming from.
Have hospitals outside of the NYC area been overwhelmed?
I think when they turn away patients who need to be hospitalized, they're beginning to be overwhelmed. New Orleans has reached that point. Possibly also Detroit. Certainly New York, where they're turning ambulances away for lack of supplies and have mostly stopped doing CPR in the field.
Cuomo says things are different since this April 2 story was published. This is April 18 NYT
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo arrived to his daily coronavirus briefing in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday with cautionary good news: The state has continued to make progress in its battle with a virus that has killed more than 13,000 residents, enough people to populate an upstate small city.
"If you look at the past three days, you could argue we are past the plateau and starting to descend," Mr. Cuomo said. "So, we're not at the plateau anymore, but we're still not in a good position."
Mr. Cuomo announced the state's daily death toll from the virus had fallen to 540, down from 630 a day earlier. It was the lowest daily number in more than two weeks.
Still, he warned that the health crisis was far from over. On Friday alone, about 2,000 people were admitted to city hospitals with Covid-19 symptoms, a number similar to what hospitals were seeing as the pandemic began to peak in late March.
"Doctors will tell you that the emergency rooms have fewer people in them," Mr. Cuomo said. "They were at max capacity for a long time."https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage