I thought the same. It's like a Chappelle skit.Jack Bauer said:*** did I just watch? I thought this was a bit.Doc Holliday said:
Is this what all this is really about?
What if we speak up and tell him to STFU? Can't be accused of being silent then.Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
I'm assuming he meant single as "each and every" not "unmarried".WacoKelly83 said:Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
Why do they have to be single?? I know married ladies fretting over this.
you were not listening to what Barack Obama had to say about race. Post something that supports your view.Canada2017 said:
Same message since the 60's......white people suck .
The media and entertainment industry were initially subtle delivering this message throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's. But it was always the same......whites were the cause of everything bad .
Then came along Barrack Hussein Obama in 2008.
Years of propaganda worked as a 'guilt' riddled electorate voted for an almost totally inexperienced fella from Illinois .A man who's main appeal was the fact that he was half black .
And once in office President Obama amplified the message ......white people suck . For eight long years . Dude made blaming white people into a cultural phenomenon.
Today social media and 80% of the national media are literally screaming the same hate . Only now, if one dares disagree ....they are silenced.
Wonder if it works in 2020 ?
blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
The point was that we haven't found what the answer is to make positive steps. Do you have the answer? I don't see a lot of creative solutions on this board. Do you really want to continue to spend trillions for more government programs and think it will make a real difference? I don't. We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution. More government programs is obviously not the answer. The answer is probably going to rely on personal relationships. But too many people are unwilling to do that (both Dems and Reps) saying they have done their part via their taxes. Perhaps you don't even want the problem alleviated. We are certainly not going to get any relieve from the White House.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
nein51 said:
Here you go
You will never find the answer, because you can never appease or please everyone. i will not apologize for being white or for something I did not do. I will not apologize for what others have done. There will always be a race war pumper on every side getting the juices flowing. There will always be one more thing we should do. How about this: If you dont like your current situation do something to get out of it. Put down the shovel stop digging and start climbing up. You dont like America because they are mean then Ask Siri on that phone you just looted where the hell you can go for the best opportunity to advance. Here is a hint on what she will say: America. Its still the greatest place on Earth. You dont believe me go pull this riot and looting crap in China, Somalia, Iran, Zimbabwe and see how many more breaths you take of that free air that you so enjoy. We dont suck at finding a solution, we suck at taking advantage of opportunities because it is easier to blame someone else for our failures than it is to look in the mirror and accept responsibility and get your ass to work. Try harder to be better. I can and I do and I will.blackie said:The point was that we haven't found what the answer is to make positive steps. Do you have the answer? I don't see a lot of creative solutions on this board. Do you really want to continue to spend trillions for more government programs and think it will make a real difference? I don't. We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution. More government programs is obviously not the answer. The answer is probably going to rely on personal relationships. But too many people are unwilling to do that (both Dems and Reps) saying they have done their part via their taxes. Perhaps you don't even want the problem alleviated. We are certainly not going to get any relieve from the White House.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And for OB, can any of you guys actually discuss a subject without putting in snide remarks or degrading the poster? I seldom see it. Is this the way you talk to people face to face? If so, that probably explains a lot of the reasons why we as a society are so splintered.
Sorry br, I've started a response to your post several times, but there are not enough words or time to go into a days-long discussion, so I will keep it short. I agree with your last two sentences. I have always felt that way. But as I have grown older (now 71), I have seen too much to say that the fault of continuing division in this country is because people have not taken advantage of opportunities provided for them. The problem may just be we just have a heck of a lot more people needing opportunities than we have opportunities. But in some cases those potential opportunities are met with a roadblock right off the bat. And then in other cases the people who could provide an opportunity for that person to step up, don't want to provide it because of who that other person may be or who they are thought to be.br53 said:You will never find the answer, because you can never appease or please everyone. i will not apologize for being white or for something I did not do. I will not apologize for what others have done. There will always be a race war pumper on every side getting the juices flowing. There will always be one more thing we should do. How about this: If you dont like your current situation do something to get out of it. Put down the shovel stop digging and start climbing up. You dont like America because they are mean then Ask Siri on that phone you just looted where the hell you can go for the best opportunity to advance. Here is a hint on what she will say: America. Its still the greatest place on Earth. You dont believe me go pull this riot and looting crap in China, Somalia, Iran, Zimbabwe and see how many more breaths you take of that free air that you so enjoy. We dont suck at finding a solution, we suck at taking advantage of opportunities because it is easier to blame someone else for our failures than it is to look in the mirror and accept responsibility and get your ass to work. Try harder to be better. I can and I do and I will.blackie said:The point was that we haven't found what the answer is to make positive steps. Do you have the answer? I don't see a lot of creative solutions on this board. Do you really want to continue to spend trillions for more government programs and think it will make a real difference? I don't. We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution. More government programs is obviously not the answer. The answer is probably going to rely on personal relationships. But too many people are unwilling to do that (both Dems and Reps) saying they have done their part via their taxes. Perhaps you don't even want the problem alleviated. We are certainly not going to get any relieve from the White House.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And for OB, can any of you guys actually discuss a subject without putting in snide remarks or degrading the poster? I seldom see it. Is this the way you talk to people face to face? If so, that probably explains a lot of the reasons why we as a society are so splintered.
You can create your own opportunities also. There are alot more financial incentive opportunities for "minority owned" start up businesses now than ever before. You have to actually have initiative and many people of all races do not have that. If you want to stop racism and sexism look no further than the applications you fill out for admissions, loans, and testing. Stop requiring people to put their sex or race on these forms and let it be judged blindlyblackie said:Sorry br, I've started a response to your post several times, but there are not enough words or time to go into a days-long discussion, so I will keep it short. I agree with your last two sentences. I have always felt that way. But as I have grown older (now 71), I have seen too much to say that the fault of continuing division in this country is because people have not taken advantage of opportunities provided for them. The problem may just be we just have a heck of a lot more people needing opportunities than we have opportunities. But in some cases those potential opportunities are met with a roadblock right off the bat. And then in other cases the people who could provide an opportunity for that person to step up, don't want to provide it because of who that other person may be or who they are thought to be.br53 said:You will never find the answer, because you can never appease or please everyone. i will not apologize for being white or for something I did not do. I will not apologize for what others have done. There will always be a race war pumper on every side getting the juices flowing. There will always be one more thing we should do. How about this: If you dont like your current situation do something to get out of it. Put down the shovel stop digging and start climbing up. You dont like America because they are mean then Ask Siri on that phone you just looted where the hell you can go for the best opportunity to advance. Here is a hint on what she will say: America. Its still the greatest place on Earth. You dont believe me go pull this riot and looting crap in China, Somalia, Iran, Zimbabwe and see how many more breaths you take of that free air that you so enjoy. We dont suck at finding a solution, we suck at taking advantage of opportunities because it is easier to blame someone else for our failures than it is to look in the mirror and accept responsibility and get your ass to work. Try harder to be better. I can and I do and I will.blackie said:The point was that we haven't found what the answer is to make positive steps. Do you have the answer? I don't see a lot of creative solutions on this board. Do you really want to continue to spend trillions for more government programs and think it will make a real difference? I don't. We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution. More government programs is obviously not the answer. The answer is probably going to rely on personal relationships. But too many people are unwilling to do that (both Dems and Reps) saying they have done their part via their taxes. Perhaps you don't even want the problem alleviated. We are certainly not going to get any relieve from the White House.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And for OB, can any of you guys actually discuss a subject without putting in snide remarks or degrading the poster? I seldom see it. Is this the way you talk to people face to face? If so, that probably explains a lot of the reasons why we as a society are so splintered.
There is a difference faced by people of color (blacks, browns, Native Americans. etc.) and whites. I don't see how any objective person can come to any different conclusion. My family never had a lot of money, but I never felt limited in my life. Whatever direction I wanted to go was up to me. I didn't have to overcome any bias or prejudice from anyone. In other words, I didn't have to overcome anything just to be able to get started. Had I, perhaps I would have still overcome it, but if the barrier was so great, I couldn't get to that opportunity, I would never have been able to accomplish what I have in my life. Until you actually understand that, there is no discussion to be had.
I don't think I have ever attacked anyone. If so, that was not my intention. I have disagreed with posts from both the "left" and the "right", especially when I see information that is, IMO, untrue or not looking at both sides of any issue. I guess if that is your definition of attacking the poster or being hypocritical, I guess that is your call, but not mine. I don't buy into all the conspiracy theories that surface here from time to time. And I don't like it when one side or the other fails to tell the whole story, only providing information that supports their side's agenda. I support traditional values. I also assume anything Trump says is not true until I can verify from other sources. I don't blindly back up the guy.Oldbear83 said:
blackie: "And for OB, can any of you guys actually discuss a subject without putting in snide remarks or degrading the poster? I seldom see it."
Speaking for myself, I can and do, with the qualification that when attacked I no longer just sit and take it. The Left regularly starts discussions with false claims and insults, yet you don't seem to see that.
Seriously, once in a while stop and look at the comments by Waco, TS, quash, and the other leftists and see the derision they spew at anyone who supports the President or traditional values.
There are some very good minds on each side, who go to trouble to present their arguments rationally. There are also others who do nothing but troll or attack. You may notice I have take Florda to task from time to time for such comments, but literally none of you on the left ever challenge someone on your own side to raise their game.
As long as you continue such hypocrisy, it's impossible to consider you interested in a real discussion.
Your last sentence is just an example of the barriers of which I mentioned. How many biased employers or loan officers are just going to go ahead and trash it because of "what" the person is? That opportunity is lost before they even get a chance. Also how is a ten year old, for example on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota going start a business? He/she is doing good just to make it through the winter, even with food programs. We "assume" that people have these opportunities, but does it really get down to everyone? And do we care enough to demand change?br53 said:You can create your own opportunities also. There are alot more financial incentive opportunities for "minority owned" start up businesses now than ever before. You have to actually have initiative and many people of all races do not have that. If you want to stop racism and sexism look no further than the applications you fill out for admissions, loans, and testing. Stop requiring people to put their sex or race on these forms and let it be judged blindlyblackie said:Sorry br, I've started a response to your post several times, but there are not enough words or time to go into a days-long discussion, so I will keep it short. I agree with your last two sentences. I have always felt that way. But as I have grown older (now 71), I have seen too much to say that the fault of continuing division in this country is because people have not taken advantage of opportunities provided for them. The problem may just be we just have a heck of a lot more people needing opportunities than we have opportunities. But in some cases those potential opportunities are met with a roadblock right off the bat. And then in other cases the people who could provide an opportunity for that person to step up, don't want to provide it because of who that other person may be or who they are thought to be.br53 said:You will never find the answer, because you can never appease or please everyone. i will not apologize for being white or for something I did not do. I will not apologize for what others have done. There will always be a race war pumper on every side getting the juices flowing. There will always be one more thing we should do. How about this: If you dont like your current situation do something to get out of it. Put down the shovel stop digging and start climbing up. You dont like America because they are mean then Ask Siri on that phone you just looted where the hell you can go for the best opportunity to advance. Here is a hint on what she will say: America. Its still the greatest place on Earth. You dont believe me go pull this riot and looting crap in China, Somalia, Iran, Zimbabwe and see how many more breaths you take of that free air that you so enjoy. We dont suck at finding a solution, we suck at taking advantage of opportunities because it is easier to blame someone else for our failures than it is to look in the mirror and accept responsibility and get your ass to work. Try harder to be better. I can and I do and I will.blackie said:The point was that we haven't found what the answer is to make positive steps. Do you have the answer? I don't see a lot of creative solutions on this board. Do you really want to continue to spend trillions for more government programs and think it will make a real difference? I don't. We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution. More government programs is obviously not the answer. The answer is probably going to rely on personal relationships. But too many people are unwilling to do that (both Dems and Reps) saying they have done their part via their taxes. Perhaps you don't even want the problem alleviated. We are certainly not going to get any relieve from the White House.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And for OB, can any of you guys actually discuss a subject without putting in snide remarks or degrading the poster? I seldom see it. Is this the way you talk to people face to face? If so, that probably explains a lot of the reasons why we as a society are so splintered.
There is a difference faced by people of color (blacks, browns, Native Americans. etc.) and whites. I don't see how any objective person can come to any different conclusion. My family never had a lot of money, but I never felt limited in my life. Whatever direction I wanted to go was up to me. I didn't have to overcome any bias or prejudice from anyone. In other words, I didn't have to overcome anything just to be able to get started. Had I, perhaps I would have still overcome it, but if the barrier was so great, I couldn't get to that opportunity, I would never have been able to accomplish what I have in my life. Until you actually understand that, there is no discussion to be had.
Jack, thanks for your thoughtful and insightful response.Jack and DP said:
blackie, you are a good man. It's true that some don't have much of a chance. I had a simple, yet very real exchange with an athlete that I was officiating at a track meet. I'd watched him play football, as well, and he was a solid athlete. I asked him if he was going to play college ball. He answered, "yessir, I'm gonna play JUCO ball. I gotta get up outta Prentiss". It really resonated with me that the JUCO chance might be his only shot at getting out of there. He wasn't from a bad small town, but it's easy to fall into traps in places like that. You and I may have four or five good shots like that. But for kids like him, that may be it.
blackie said:The point was that we haven't found what the answer is to make positive steps. Do you have the answer? I don't see a lot of creative solutions on this board. Do you really want to continue to spend trillions for more government programs and think it will make a real difference? I don't. We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution. More government programs is obviously not the answer. The answer is probably going to rely on personal relationships. But too many people are unwilling to do that (both Dems and Reps) saying they have done their part via their taxes. Perhaps you don't even want the problem alleviated. We are certainly not going to get any relieve from the White House.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And for OB, can any of you guys actually discuss a subject without putting in snide remarks or degrading the poster? I seldom see it. Is this the way you talk to people face to face? If so, that probably explains a lot of the reasons why we as a society are so splintered.