I forgive you.tommie said:
I'm sorry for being white.
The battle is not yours, but God's.
2 Chronicles 20:15
2 Chronicles 20:15
I forgive you.tommie said:
I'm sorry for being white.
Something tells me you guys likely speak up against abortion and gay rights but are quiet on this issue. Perhaps it's worth an honest self-evaluation and deciding if you are quiet about this because you actually do enjoy the privileges you've enjoyed in your life? I'd have to say that you are compliant if you don't disagree with what's going on in our society.whitetrash said:What if we speak up and tell him to STFU? Can't be accused of being silent then.Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
tommie said:
I'm sorry for being white.
Sing him the song about Choices by The Possum.Canada2017 said:tommie said:
I'm sorry for being white.
Choices
FIFYtommie said:
I'm sorryforat being white.
chuckle.......bubble ?engiBEAR said:
By your own logic...
People are protesting because a man was murdered...he was further "subdued" though he was already face down in handcuffs and begging for breath. It's the continuation of a pattern that has been ongoing for far longer than 35 years.
But it's "their problem" not the problem of the historically powerful that set up this societal system.
You're correct, the answer is individual responsibility -- and that includes all of us, especially those with the power to do something. That has historically been and continues to be predominantly white men. So stop jumping down this guy's throat just because he has an opinion that is different than yours.
It sounds like you live in a bubble, friend, as I have for a lot of my life. It's time for us to listen and learn.
Nobody here speaks against gay rights. Nice caricature of centrists and conservatives.engiBEAR said:Something tells me you guys likely speak up against abortion and gay rights but are quiet on this issue. Perhaps it's worth an honest self-evaluation and deciding if you are quiet about this because you actually do enjoy the privileges you've enjoyed in your life? I'd have to say that you are compliant if you don't disagree with what's going on in our society.whitetrash said:What if we speak up and tell him to STFU? Can't be accused of being silent then.Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
I'm "white", won't apologize for and I won't change. I go to work everyday, do my best while I'm there, provide for my family and spend time with my wife and kid. I don't drink and exercise regularly.Waco1947 said:No, apologize for what whites have "done." You can not help being white , but you can change and DO the things that make for justice.Doc Holliday said:
Is this what all this is really about?
I'm sorry that your sorrytommie said:
I'm sorry for being white.
You know what they say! "Once you go white, nothing else is right!"tommie said:
I'm sorry for being white.
What is the "problem" to which you are referring? Let's define the problem, and then we discuss potential solutions. Articulate what you believe the issue is.blackie said:We have been throwing things at this problem for decades. We as a society SUCK at finding a solution.Canada2017 said:blackie said:
We have opened up opportunities that at least remove legal obstacles, but have not done the right things (whatever they may be) to remove cultural and social obstacles. For that, we all suck.
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
Serious question: What is wrong with enjoying a privilege? I know people who have money because it was passed down to them by their parents (who worked hard and saved so they could give it to their children). Should those people feel bad that their parents left them money? Should they not enjoy the gift they received, simply because it wasn't something everyone else got? Did you ever get a bike one year for Christmas? Did you feel horrible about it, and refuse to enjoy it because some other kids didn't get a bike? The "privilege" talking point is moronic. I wasn't born with the ability to run a 4.3 forty yard dash. But I'm not telling the guy who was that he should feel bad about it, and that it isn't fair that he got a college scholarship, and that he should apologize for using his advantage and running faster than me. Life isn't fair. I'm not "owed" anything, nor do I expect outside forces to "level the playing field" for me.engiBEAR said:Perhaps it's worth an honest self-evaluation and deciding if you are quiet about this because you actually do enjoy the privileges you've enjoyed in your life? I'd have to say that you are compliant if you don't disagree with what's going on in our society.whitetrash said:What if we speak up and tell him to STFU? Can't be accused of being silent then.Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
This is a particularly ignorant viewpoint... There are entire neighborhoods, zip codes, where most people can trace the root of their generational poverty straight back to slavery. The government might spend a trillion dollars a minute on the issue, but it's clearly not being very effective, newsflash. We as a country are totally complacent, and ok with some neighborhoods just sucking, but that is where crime is high, where injustices happen.Canada2017 said:
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
Porteroso said:This is a particularly ignorant viewpoint... There are entire neighborhoods, zip codes, where most people can trace the root of their generational poverty straight back to slavery. The government might spend a trillion dollars a minute on the issue, but it's clearly not being very effective, newsflash. We as a country are totally complacent, and ok with some neighborhoods just sucking, but that is where crime is high, where injustices happen.Canada2017 said:
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And just because you don't know what else to do doesn't mean there's nothing else. You've already proven your ignorance. Go talk to a social worker, assuming you know of one.
There are plenty of ways to improve all of our lives, we just sit on our behinds on the issue of poverty and the strife it is bringing our country. Much of America was straight up built upon the backs of slaves, and so the one thing you posted correctly, is that no matter what the federal government does, it will never be enough to right that wrong.
Cant sell his possessions must give them away to get full experience of being in their shoes. Can not have money or other material possessions or food.Canada2017 said:Porteroso said:This is a particularly ignorant viewpoint... There are entire neighborhoods, zip codes, where most people can trace the root of their generational poverty straight back to slavery. The government might spend a trillion dollars a minute on the issue, but it's clearly not being very effective, newsflash. We as a country are totally complacent, and ok with some neighborhoods just sucking, but that is where crime is high, where injustices happen.Canada2017 said:
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE
There it is...perfect .
Trillions spent in aid, social services , job placement , education , Affirmative Action .......and its not enough . It's never going to be 'enough'.
' Gee we don't really know what else to do.......but we still suck anyway .' Absolutely perfect .
Newsflash dude:
You might suck... but I don't .
Neither does anyone else who pays taxes , loyally raises a family and contributes to our society .
And just because you don't know what else to do doesn't mean there's nothing else. You've already proven your ignorance. Go talk to a social worker, assuming you know of one.
There are plenty of ways to improve all of our lives, we just sit on our behinds on the issue of poverty and the strife it is bringing our country. Much of America was straight up built upon the backs of slaves, and so the one thing you posted correctly, is that no matter what the federal government does, it will never be enough to right that wrong.
Then by all means sell all your possessions and get to East St Louis pronto .
Find yourself some appropriate digs in the hood ....6 months lease minimal .
Should be extremely easy to find work in the area, righting the wrong of all those oppressed descendants of slavery ...155 years ago .
Cause typing on your little keyboard isn't going to provide you near the education such as living and working in East St Louis will .
Keep us updated .
Thanks
Good question, and I'll answer: no, I don't blame anyone for enjoying a privilege. I've enjoyed quite a bit of privilege myself. I've also worked hard to get to where I am in life. Neither takes away from the other, and I'm comfortable with that. The reality is that I, as a white male, had opportunities in life that some of my black/brown peers haven't. Not all, but many of those instances, are because of the "hand I was dealt", which are either directly or indirectly linked to my race/ethnicity. My connections in life, whether it be from friends, family, church, etc. got me the opportunities I had. Thankfully, I worked hard and took advantage of them. But I can tell you from experience that I almost assuredly wouldn't have those connections if I wasn't white. I can give examples if you'd like. The point is not that privileged people can't take advantage of their privilege - heck, even build on it (like in your example of your friend's inheritance). The point is that we shouldn't be naive to think that privilege doesn't play a part and be comfortable enough to admit that to ourselves and others. As I said, I'm perfectly fine saying that I'm fortunate and was privileged to be given the opportunity for success that I was. It doesn't mean that my hard work didn't matter -- it just means that my hard work was a little (or a lot) more efficient because I didn't have to prove I belonged in the process.bearassnekkid said:Serious question: What is wrong with enjoying a privilege? I know people who have money because it was passed down to them by their parents (who worked hard and saved so they could give it to their children). Should those people feel bad that their parents left them money? Should they not enjoy the gift they received, simply because it wasn't something everyone else got? Did you ever get a bike one year for Christmas? Did you feel horrible about it, and refuse to enjoy it because some other kids didn't get a bike? The "privilege" talking point is moronic. I wasn't born with the ability to run a 4.3 forty yard dash. But I'm not telling the guy who was that he should feel bad about it, and that it isn't fair that he got a college scholarship, and that he should apologize for using his advantage and running faster than me. Life isn't fair. I'm not "owed" anything, nor do I expect outside forces to "level the playing field" for me.engiBEAR said:Perhaps it's worth an honest self-evaluation and deciding if you are quiet about this because you actually do enjoy the privileges you've enjoyed in your life? I'd have to say that you are compliant if you don't disagree with what's going on in our society.whitetrash said:What if we speak up and tell him to STFU? Can't be accused of being silent then.Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
This is absolute madness. It also, by the way, isn't about skin pigmentation. At all. It is almost entirely solely socio-economic. What disadvantage does a black child face in comparison to a white child in a trailer park outside Marshall, TX with no dad in the home and mother on meth? What does their skin color have to do with the "opportunities" they each have? And how is the trailer park kid "privileged?"
Make an intelligent case or GTFO with this crap. It is insulting.
it's already been said for you to shut up but do not. You speak truth and they are fearful of admitting white privilege.It is like if I give on that one then racial justice is next,and then social justice.engiBEAR said:Something tells me you guys likely speak up against abortion and gay rights but are quiet on this issue. Perhaps it's worth an honest self-evaluation and deciding if you are quiet about this because you actually do enjoy the privileges you've enjoyed in your life? I'd have to say that you are compliant if you don't disagree with what's going on in our society.whitetrash said:What if we speak up and tell him to STFU? Can't be accused of being silent then.Jack Bauer said:
Stephen A just told white people that if they are silent, then they are compliant.
Must be why every single upper-class white woman has to post a 3 paragraph statement on Facebook this week.
Most of it can be chalked up to the fact that 83 cannot understand anybody's viewpoint but his own. When confronted with facts and logic that call that viewpoint into question, he does one of two things: (1) labels the fact and logic false and/or (2) labels the poster with some derogatory characteristic.engiBEAR said:
I mean this with all sincerity, but I'm curious what makes my response irrational in your eyes? I felt like I civilly explained my point without namecalling or insults. So I'm genuinely interested in your perspective.
I thought his question was good, and I said so. That wasn't a sarcastic remark. I was trying to compliment the guy!
My comment about recommending some resources wasn't sarcastic, it was a serious offer. This is a topic that has been well vetted and studied, and he can read for himself rather than listening to me.
Some of this can probably be chalked up to not being able to read my tone with written word vs. if we were speaking face-to-face.
They aren't as "gifted"?Doc Holliday said:
What is one example of white privilege that EVERY white person has?
They say confession is good for the soul.Oldbear83 said:
Getting ready to drive home, will respond later tonight or tomorrow depending on my to-do list from my wife.
Is that an offer to share your expertise with him? -- asking for a friend.Booray said:Most of it can be chalked up to the fact that 83 cannot understand anybody's viewpoint but his own. When confronted with facts and logic that call that viewpoint into question, he does one of two things: (1) labels the fact and logic false and/or (2) labels the poster with some derogatory characteristic.engiBEAR said:
I mean this with all sincerity, but I'm curious what makes my response irrational in your eyes? I felt like I civilly explained my point without namecalling or insults. So I'm genuinely interested in your perspective.
I thought his question was good, and I said so. That wasn't a sarcastic remark. I was trying to compliment the guy!
My comment about recommending some resources wasn't sarcastic, it was a serious offer. This is a topic that has been well vetted and studied, and he can read for himself rather than listening to me.
Some of this can probably be chalked up to not being able to read my tone with written word vs. if we were speaking face-to-face.
Its a pretty good bet that within a hour of doing so he will be pompously advising others to be more civil.
Born whiteDoc Holliday said:
What is one example of white privilege that EVERY white person has?
You trolling?Waco1947 said:Born whiteDoc Holliday said:
What is one example of white privilege that EVERY white person has?
it's twoo! it's twoo!whitetrash said:They aren't as "gifted"?Doc Holliday said:
What is one example of white privilege that EVERY white person has?
Waco1947 said:No, apologize for what whites have "done." You can not help being white , but you can change and DO the things that make for justice.Doc Holliday said:
Is this what all this is really about?
Johnny Bear said:Waco1947 said:No, apologize for what whites have "done." You can not help being white , but you can change and DO the things that make for justice.Doc Holliday said:
Is this what all this is really about?
And what exactly have whites "done" in the year 2020 to apologize for that blacks aren't at least equally culpable of doing? And if we're going to play the let's apologize for our ancestors' actions that we of course had absolutely nothing to do with game, then when are blacks going to apologize to fellow blacks for all of the black African slave traders of centuries past - without whom slavery in the USA would've never happened? You see, if we're going to waste time playing this game, then two can play it,
Johnny Bear said:Waco1947 said:No, apologize for what whites have "done." You can not help being white , but you can change and DO the things that make for justice.Doc Holliday said:
Is this what all this is really about?
And what exactly have whites "done" in the year 2020 to apologize for that blacks aren't at least equally culpable of doing? And if we're going to play the let's apologize for our ancestors' actions that we of course had absolutely nothing to do with game, then when are blacks going to apologize to fellow blacks for all of the black African slave traders of centuries past - without whom slavery in the USA would've never happened? You see, if we're going to waste time playing this game, then two can play it,