To be fair, that's the main reason Trump got elected in the first place.... an outsider to fight the corrupt political system that has infected every corner in almost every office of leadership in Washington DC.bear2be2 said:BaylorFTW said:There is always something to worry about with our corrupt legal system especially when we are talking about politics. The fact is if there was nothing to worry about, we would have never come to this point in the first place. Instead, we are seeing a clear crisis of ethics and/or morality in the country.LTbear said:If true it will be easily proven in court, so there's nothing to worry about.Gruvin said:There is a growing list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit)syme said:
We're supposed to believe that Milwaukee, Detroit, and philly voters were so excited for Biden that they left the rest of the ballot completely blank.
That is half of Bidens lead... no fraud though
So basically, everything is corrupt except Trump, the support for whose cause is a litmus test for morals and ethics. Do you not see how culty that sounds/is?
Is there a PAC for the Repubs for this run-off?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
I can see people not liking Loefler, but why didn't they vote for Collins?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
Senate Leadership Fund put a lot of dollars to help Perdue because of the crazy outside money going to Ossoff. They will likely be a big money player in the upcoming runoffs. Loeffler is loaded (or her husband is) so she won't need as much help.Osodecentx said:Is there a PAC for the Repubs for this run-off?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
Any money I send will be recouped in my portfolio if Schumer isn't majority leader
It will be an interesting test of wheter the new GOP base will turnout for Trumpism without Trump on the ticket.ATL Bear said:Senate Leadership Fund put a lot of dollars to help Perdue because of the crazy outside money going to Ossoff. They will likely be a big money player in the upcoming runoffs. Loeffler is loaded (or her husband is) so she won't need as much help.Osodecentx said:Is there a PAC for the Repubs for this run-off?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
Any money I send will be recouped in my portfolio if Schumer isn't majority leader
What the Left does not understand about Trump, is that most of his support is not about personality, it's about his priorities and the results. The GOP lost in 2018 because they deserted Trump and lost his support.Booray said:It will be an interesting test of wheter the new GOP base will turnout for Trumpism without Trump on the ticket.ATL Bear said:Senate Leadership Fund put a lot of dollars to help Perdue because of the crazy outside money going to Ossoff. They will likely be a big money player in the upcoming runoffs. Loeffler is loaded (or her husband is) so she won't need as much help.Osodecentx said:Is there a PAC for the Repubs for this run-off?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
Any money I send will be recouped in my portfolio if Schumer isn't majority leader
Job one for the GOP insiders would be to convince Trump he can start exacting his revenge on Biden with this election to get him down there and rallying..
Interesting thought. I am a friend of Doug Collins so I helped his campaign and I wanted him to win. However, and I wouldn't say this to him, but the blessing in disguise with Loeffler and a runoff is that she has the bucks for the battle, and Warnock will rely on Liberal/Democrat PACS which will be split in the races. Her ability to spend on TV ads and put some crazy stuff out there was a difference maker.Booray said:I can see people not liking Loefler, but why didn't they vote for Collins?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
If they had it to do over, do you think the Dems would switch their candidates so it would be Ossoff v. Loefler and Warnock v. Perdue? They need both races so it doesn't really matter, but I would much rather run against Loefler than Perdue. If you are trying to guarantee a gain of at least one, I would want my strongest candidate there.
we shall see.Booray said:I can see people not liking Loefler, but why didn't they vote for Collins?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
If they had it to do over, do you think the Dems would switch their candidates so it would be Ossoff v. Loefler and Warnock v. Perdue? They need both races so it doesn't really matter, but I would much rather run against Loefler than Perdue. If you are trying to guarantee a gain of at least one, I would want my strongest candidate there.
NVM saw your edit.br53 said:we shall see.Booray said:I can see people not liking Loefler, but why didn't they vote for Collins?ATL Bear said:
The strangest thing in the numbers in Georgia is that not only did the Presidential race get a lot more votes than the Senatorial race with Ossoff, but the Perdue Ossoff race got a lot more total votes than the other Senate race.
If they had it to do over, do you think the Dems would switch their candidates so it would be Ossoff v. Loefler and Warnock v. Perdue? They need both races so it doesn't really matter, but I would much rather run against Loefler than Perdue. If you are trying to guarantee a gain of at least one, I would want my strongest candidate there.
Gruvin said:
The population of Michigan increased from 9.9 million in 2015 to 10.0 million in 2016, and it's still at 10.045 million.
700k more votes than 2016? Nah...
Do the other battlegrounds and even other states if it isn't too much trouble.Texasjeremy said:
VOTOR TURNOUT BY PARTY (2016 to 2020 Differential) - SO FAR
ARIZONA (90% in)
+34.4% - Dem (+399,980)
+21.2% - Rep (+264,967)
GEORGIA (99% in)
+30.5% - Dem (+572,231)
+17.2% - Rep (+359,533)
MICHIGAN (99% in)
+23.0% - Dem (+521,809)
+16.0% - Rep (+364,985)
PENNSYLVANIA (98% in)
+13.1% - Dem (+384,337)
+11.0% - Rep (+326,721)
WISCONSIN (99% in)
+17.9% - Dem (+248,032)
+14.6% - Rep (+204,749)
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/4/21549710/biden-michigan-votes-trump-retweet-election-mapDoc Holliday said:
UH Oh!!!
rudylaw said:https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/4/21549710/biden-michigan-votes-trump-retweet-election-mapDoc Holliday said:
UH Oh!!!
Aw, shucks. Funny how none of the same processes meant anything in 2016. Joe is way up in Michigan; it's over there.
dont help him... he will never learn thst wayATL Bear said:Georgia elections are managed county by county. Counties collect the ballots at precincts.George Truett said:So are you saying GA Republicans are incompetent and incapable of having a free and fair election?Gruvin said:yes, if you will remove your head from your posterior region then you would know your statement is false. Ponder it and get back to me... or continue to beat up strawmenGeorge Truett said:So you're saying this happened in a completely Republican-controlled state?Gruvin said:yes, Stacy Abram's campaign was really big. They found a loophole in order to ballot harvest legally and Georgia was not smart enough to close at Loophole before the presidential election.George Truett said:GA is really big.Aliceinbubbleland said:
Everyone knew Trump won 2016 with the slim margins yet shocking results in those rust belt states. His margins were so thin in 2016 you could see this result coming. The Democrats were probably much better organized in Wis, Mich and PA and for certain in NV.
In 2018 Pelosi and money brought the House back to the Democrats. They put that effort into 2020 Presidential race this time. The Democrats probably ignored the House races thinking the polls gave them the wave.
Biden won. Trump lost. The only dangling issue is the Senate races.
When you look at the percentage of Trump wins in the red states the biggest shock of all is the contest in GA.
Stacey Abrams is part of the difference. About 6 years ago, she started "The New Georgia Project," the aim of which was to make the vote in Georgia look more like the makeup of GA.
This was a direct result of that.
Looks like Ossoff is going to lose, but Warnock may have a chance in the runoff. If Blacks vote the way they did in this election and Trump supporters stay home because Trump isn't on the ballot, Warnock could win.
Right.
VOTERTexasjeremy said:
VOTOR TURNOUT BY PARTY (2016 to 2020 Differential) - SO FAR
ARIZONA (90% in)
+34.4% - Dem (+399,980)
+21.2% - Rep (+264,967)
GEORGIA (99% in)
+30.5% - Dem (+572,231)
+17.2% - Rep (+359,533)
MICHIGAN (99% in)
+23.0% - Dem (+521,809)
+16.0% - Rep (+364,985)
PENNSYLVANIA (98% in)
+13.1% - Dem (+384,337)
+11.0% - Rep (+326,721)
WISCONSIN (99% in)
+17.9% - Dem (+248,032)
+14.6% - Rep (+204,749)
I know. And I joke-jabbed backShippou said:That was a joke.trey3216 said:I was talking about Shippou's hope for a President Xi style government.Gruvin said:The largest vote share of Biden supporters were nonreligioustrey3216 said:You dream about putting people in slave camps because of their religion? How woke of youShippou said:We can dream.Doc Holliday said:Yes comradeShippou said:President Xi, please liberate America.BornAgain said:
more like expect President Xi
And Nevada. And depending on what is found, Wisky and Michigan maybe too.Oldbear83 said:
So maybe it all comes back to Pennsylvania.
Hmm.
This is true, there are several really good candidates for 2024 the GOP needs to decide what direction they are going. Trump in the long run will be a footnote in history. However, he appointed 3 SC Justices, that will be his legacy.fubar said:Then Georgia gonna go Biden. Pennsylvania will as well before the night is over.Jack Bauer said:https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/2020/general/georgiafubar said:It's down to under 4000 now. Don't know how many still to count.Jack Bauer said:
GA:
47k votes left
9k vote lead for Trump
Biden needs appx 60% of those votes to win.
In Chatham with 87% reporting, Biden leads 57.7 to 40 percent.
Floyd county is also still counting and has reported 89% of the vote. Floyd county is currently running 70.4% for Trump to 28.4% for Biden. But it's a smaller county so the outstanding vote is probably only around 4,000 votes.
All but 2 blue counties say 99% or more and those 2 are smaller.
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said on Thursday that as of 5:35 p.m. local time approximately 36,331 ballots are still outstanding.
Time for the GOP to regroup while Trump whines. The party did a lot better than I expected, so it's starting from a good place. The sooner it starts ignoring Trump the better.
It's one thing to fall for that initially. It's quite another to still be spouting that nonsense after four years of incompetence and conflicts of interest.Rawhide said:To be fair, that's the main reason Trump got elected in the first place.... an outsider to fight the corrupt political system that has infected every corner in almost every office of leadership in Washington DC.bear2be2 said:BaylorFTW said:There is always something to worry about with our corrupt legal system especially when we are talking about politics. The fact is if there was nothing to worry about, we would have never come to this point in the first place. Instead, we are seeing a clear crisis of ethics and/or morality in the country.LTbear said:If true it will be easily proven in court, so there's nothing to worry about.Gruvin said:There is a growing list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit)syme said:
We're supposed to believe that Milwaukee, Detroit, and philly voters were so excited for Biden that they left the rest of the ballot completely blank.
That is half of Bidens lead... no fraud though
So basically, everything is corrupt except Trump, the support for whose cause is a litmus test for morals and ethics. Do you not see how culty that sounds/is?
If you want to call that culty.... then whatever.
Ballot harvesting is real, and in very close races can determine the outcome. It really isn't that difficult. Flood a specific area with a bunch of unsolicited ballots, send out canvassers to collect ballots. If the person says they aren't interested in voting, but you have their personal information, you have a ready made ballot ready to be filled in. Get rid of the signature matching requirement and it's an easy proposition. Throw in the coronavirus, and nobody blinks an eye about an incredible number of mail in ballots.Jack Bauer said:
Well, here come the accusations...let's investigate.
Quote:
Before 2018, Dowless worked as an operative on get out the vote efforts for several local races in Braden County. But two years ago he was accused of paying workers to collect absentee ballots from voters, to fraudulently sign them and then deliver them to election offices. Ballot collection by third parties is illegal in North Carolina. But several states allow operatives like Dowless, as well as campaign volunteers and other third party advocates to collect completed, authenticated ballots.
In states where the practice is legal, volunteers or campaign workers can go directly to the homes of voters, collect the completed ballots, and drop them off en masse at polling places or election offices. In some states, ballot harvesters can be paid hourly for their work collecting ballots.
Critics fear that in states without restrictions on who can return a ballot on someone else's behalf, a third party could take advantage of the system by tampering with or discarding the ballots.
