A mask might be better than no mask, but you better be doing a lot more than just wearing a mask to keep you safe. And, I know plenty of people who are religious mask wearers and hyper clean and careful who have still gotten COVID.

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A mask might be better than no mask, but you better be doing a lot more than just wearing a mask to keep you safe. And, I know plenty of people who are religious mask wearers and hyper clean and careful who have still gotten COVID.

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And I know plenty of people who are religious mask wearers and hyper clean and careful who have still not contracted COVID.

you are skeptical that masks and a vaccine can protect you?

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AZ_Bear said:

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A mask might be better than no mask, but you better be doing a lot more than just wearing a mask to keep you safe. And, I know plenty of people who are religious mask wearers and hyper clean and careful who have still gotten COVID.

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And I know plenty of people who are religious mask wearers and hyper clean and careful who have still not contracted COVID.

you are skeptical that masks and a vaccine can protect you?

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I'm skeptical of everything. Nothing is black and white for me. So, yes, I'm very skeptical that a mask will protect you in the real world.

I think that people who are really careful and take all measures of protection against COVID, including wearing masks, can improve their odds of not catching COVID, or at least delaying it. And I mean *improve* odds, as in a little bit.

But, then, how much of the protection is mask wearing vs all the other factors, such as cleanliness, distancing, and isolation? In other words, the people who take mask wearing ultra seriously also take other factors seriously. It's the correlation vs causation issue that I seem to type a couple times a day.

For many many people who wear masks, I think it's pointless based on which mask, how they wear it, or other factors in their lifestyle. And if you are eating in a restaurant without a mask but diligent in wearing your mask to your table, then everything else is pointless.

I do wear a mask and think it's probably better than nothing (at least for the amount of time I need to wear one a day. For kids, wearing one all day at school, I feel differently), but that's different than putting my trust in masks.

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What's killing people is heart disease and COVID making it worse.

America is THE WORST country for heart disease people.

Why are some of y'all so surprised?

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Be skeptical. Don't trust anything (either way).

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Exactly. I'll be wearing a mask until I get vaccinated

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Hilarious. Masks don't protect you and you want a vaccine that has been rushed to market. Lol

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Other than social distancing ......which many people cant do for valid reasons.......what is the best course of action ?

FOR THE TOP 25 MOST POPULATED COUNTIES

TEXAS

DEATHS / CASES
5.21% - Hildago
3.96% - Cameron
3.26% - Smith
2.07% - Nueces
2.06% - Bexar
2.04% - Webb
1.80% - Jefferson
1.71% - Fort Bend
1.65% - Harris
1.61% - Ellis
1.44% - Bell
1.43% - Brazoria
1.43% - Williamson
1.35% - Hays
1.34% - McLennan
1.33% - Travis
1.29% - Montgomery
1.26% - Dallas
1.26% - Galveston
1.14% - Denton
1.12% - Tarrant
1.10% - Brazos
1.09% - El Paso
1.04% - Lubbock
1.02% - Collin

DEATHS / POPULATION
0.236% - Cameron
0.232% - Hildago
0.132% - Webb
0.129% - Nueces
0.100% - El Paso
0.089% - Lubbock
0.076% - Smith
0.073% - Bexar
0.068% - Jefferson
0.065% - McLennan
0.062% - Harris
0.056% - Ellis
0.053% - Dallas
0.051% - Brazoria
0.051% - Galveston
0.046% - Tarrant
0.042% - Brazos
0.040% - Fort Bend
0.040% - Hays
0.037% - Travis
0.033% - Montgomery
0.031% - Bell
0.027% - Williamson
0.022% - Collin
0.022% - Denton

CASES / POPULATION
9.20% - El Paso
8.59% - Lubbock
6.44% - Webb
6.21% - Nueces
5.96% - Cameron
4.90% - McLennan
4.45% - Hildago
4.25% - Dallas
4.08% - Tarrant
4.07% - Galveston
3.80% - Brazos
3.80% - Jefferson
3.77% - Harris
3.60% - Brazoria
3.54% - Bexar
3.47% - Ellis
2.97% - Hays
2.77% - Travis
2.54% - Montgomery
2.33% - Fort Bend
2.33% - Smith
2.13% - Bell
2.12% - Collin
1.96% - Denton
1.89% - Williamson

So, 1 out of every 2,000 people in Dallas County has died of Covid-19. That is 1,350 people. Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

FOR THE TOP 25 MOST POPULATED COUNTIES

NATIONWIDE

DEATHS / CASES
8.98% - Kings (NY)
8.70% - Queens (NY)
7.80% - New York (NY)
5.75% - Wayne (MI)
5.56% - Middlesex (MA)
3.72% - Philadelphia (PA)
2.73% - Palm Beach (FL)
2.32% - King (WA)
2.29% - Orange (CA)
2.22% - Cook (IL)
2.10% - Maricopa (AZ)
2.08% - Los Angeles (CA)
2.06% - Bexar (TX)
1.84% - Alameda (CA)
1.79% - Miami-Dade (FL)
1.79% - Riverside (CA)
1.68% - Sacramento (CA)
1.65% - Harris (TX)
1.64% - Broward (FL)
1.64% - Clark (NV)
1.55% - Santa Clara (CA)
1.40% - San Bernardino (CA)
1.40% - San Diego (CA)
1.26% - Dallas (TX)
1.12% - Tarrant (TX)

DEATHS / POPULATION
0.327% - Queens (NY)
0.292% - Kings (NY)
0.198% - New York (NY)
0.180% - Wayne (MI)
0.145% - Middlesex (MA)
0.134% - Miami-Dade (FL)
0.123% - Philadelphia (PA)
0.116% - Cook (IL)
0.108% - Palm Beach (FL)
0.084% - Maricopa (AZ)
0.081% - Broward (FL)
0.073% - Bexar (TX)
0.073% - Los Angeles (CA)
0.071% - Clark (NV)
0.062% - Harris (TX)
0.055% - Riverside (CA)
0.053% - Dallas (TX)
0.051% - San Bernardino (CA)
0.048% - Orange (CA)
0.046% - Tarrant (TX)
0.037% - King (WA)
0.035% - Sacramento (CA)
0.029% - Alameda (CA)
0.028% - San Diego (CA)
0.024% - Santa Clara (CA)

CASES / POPULATION
7.48% - Miami-Dade (FL)
5.23% - Cook (IL)
4.96% - Broward (FL)
4.32% - Clark (NV)
4.25% - Dallas (TX)
4.08% - Tarrant (TX)
4.01% - Maricopa (AZ)
3.97% - Palm Beach (FL)
3.77% - Harris (TX)
3.76% - Queens (NY)
3.64% - San Bernardino (CA)
3.54% - Bexar (TX)
3.50% - Los Angeles (CA)
3.31% - Philadelphia (PA)
3.25% - Kings (NY)
3.13% - Wayne (MI)
3.10% - Riverside (CA)
2.60% - Middlesex (MA)
2.54% - New York (NY)
2.10% - Orange (CA)
2.07% - Sacramento (CA)
2.02% - San Diego (CA)
1.60% - Alameda (CA)
1.59% - King (WA)
1.52% - Santa Clara (CA)

Carlos Safety said:

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So, 1 out of every 2,000 people in Dallas County has died of Covid-19. That is 1,350 people. Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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They're all expendable huh? Base upon your hypothesis, we should just euthenize the elderly and save on medicare and medicaid expense. Not much of a pro life position.

STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT!!!! It's not a mask, it's a face condom.

P.S. - after this year's arguments by the left calling for national mask mandates, I don't ever want to hear another friggin' word from them about over-population.

Looking back, maybe it would've been a good idea, when HIV was taking hold and AIDS was a concern, to shut down all gay bars and prohibit same sex coupling.

FYI: 690,000 people (world wide) have died from AIDS-related illnesses last year alone. It still has a disproportionate impact on certain population, including gay and bisexual men. HIV still infects an average of 1.7 million people (world wide) per year. There are currently 38 million people with HIV/AIDS; 1.8 million are children less than 15 years old.

....we need to shut down all nightclubs, all bars and all dating apps and all new marriages - everywhere, all the time period - until there's a proven vaccine - period.

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STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT!!!! It's not a mask, it's a face condom.

P.S. - after this year's arguments by the left calling for national mask mandates, I don't ever want to hear another friggin' word from them about over-population.

Looking back, maybe it would've been a good idea, when HIV was taking hold and AIDS was a concern, to shut down all gay bars and prohibit same sex coupling.

FYI: 690,000 people (world wide) have died from AIDS-related illnesses last year alone. It still has a disproportionate impact on certain population, including gay and bisexual men. HIV still infects an average of 1.7 million people (world wide) per year. There are currently 38 million people with HIV/AIDS; 1.8 million are children less than 15 years old.

....we need to shut down all nightclubs, all bars and all dating apps and all new marriages - everywhere, all the time period - until there's a proven vaccine - period.

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Can't argue with this logic, folks!

Flawless!

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Am I the only one who sees 200k+ deaths and thinks "Yeah, not shocking or surprising in our old fat country...that's it?"

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No, you are not the only one.

And hardly anyone looks at this situation and thinks to unfat themselves. Instead they think they should lock other people down.

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Sitting, supposedly is the new smoking.

Exercise is great and it doesn't have to cost anything. Just a quick 30 minute walk around your neighborhood does the body (and mind) good.

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Rawhide said:

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STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT!!!! It's not a mask, it's a face condom.

P.S. - after this year's arguments by the left calling for national mask mandates, I don't ever want to hear another friggin' word from them about over-population.

Looking back, maybe it would've been a good idea, when HIV was taking hold and AIDS was a concern, to shut down all gay bars and prohibit same sex coupling.

FYI: 690,000 people (world wide) have died from AIDS-related illnesses last year alone. It still has a disproportionate impact on certain population, including gay and bisexual men. HIV still infects an average of 1.7 million people (world wide) per year. There are currently 38 million people with HIV/AIDS; 1.8 million are children less than 15 years old.

....we need to shut down all nightclubs, all bars and all dating apps and all new marriages - everywhere, all the time period - until there's a proven vaccine - period.

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Can't argue with this logic, folks!

Flawless!

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Yup, ole Rawdawg is special!!

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STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT!!!! It's not a mask, it's a face condom.

P.S. - after this year's arguments by the left calling for national mask mandates, I don't ever want to hear another friggin' word from them about over-population.

Looking back, maybe it would've been a good idea, when HIV was taking hold and AIDS was a concern, to shut down all gay bars and prohibit same sex coupling.

FYI: 690,000 people (world wide) have died from AIDS-related illnesses last year alone. It still has a disproportionate impact on certain population, including gay and bisexual men. HIV still infects an average of 1.7 million people (world wide) per year. There are currently 38 million people with HIV/AIDS; 1.8 million are children less than 15 years old.

....we need to shut down all nightclubs, all bars and all dating apps and all new marriages - everywhere, all the time period - until there's a proven vaccine - period.

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Can't argue with this logic, folks!

Flawless!

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Yup, ole Rawdawg is special!!

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You make an awesome case which proves this entire shutdown nonsense will kill more people than the virus itself. Trump has incredible instincts bc he has said this from the very beginning. VaChina knew exactly what they were doing by sending the virus to the whole world. Who knows, maybe some Martians are infected by now. My people on Pluto have not been affected yet.

Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

J.R. said:

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BaylorBJM said:

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Rawhide said:

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STOP IT!!! JUST STOP IT!!!! It's not a mask, it's a face condom.

P.S. - after this year's arguments by the left calling for national mask mandates, I don't ever want to hear another friggin' word from them about over-population.

Looking back, maybe it would've been a good idea, when HIV was taking hold and AIDS was a concern, to shut down all gay bars and prohibit same sex coupling.

FYI: 690,000 people (world wide) have died from AIDS-related illnesses last year alone. It still has a disproportionate impact on certain population, including gay and bisexual men. HIV still infects an average of 1.7 million people (world wide) per year. There are currently 38 million people with HIV/AIDS; 1.8 million are children less than 15 years old.

....we need to shut down all nightclubs, all bars and all dating apps and all new marriages - everywhere, all the time period - until there's a proven vaccine - period.

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Can't argue with this logic, folks!

Flawless!

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Yup, ole Rawdawg is special!!

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Not as special as you, but give me time. I'll keep trying.

Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are discharged from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home (self care, home with family, nursing home)
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

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No the number of cases linked to long term care facilities does not include the skilled nursing patients. Note that the number is actually higher than what's reported in these links, as the state with the most deaths (New York) only counts nursing home residents' deaths as such if they died on site but didn't if they died elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/amp/

Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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You are way out of your league on this one. Do people go home after a nursing home stay and live for a while? Yes, but they are the outliers. Did you even read the conclusion? They are discussing length of stay before death, not length of stay before discharge.

"The average length of stay before death was 13.7 months, while the median was five months. Fifty-three percent of nursing home residents in the study died within six months.

"Men died after a median stay of three months, while women died after a median stay of eight months. Married participants died a median four months sooner than those who were unmarried. Participants in the highest quartile of net worth died a median six months sooner than those in the lowest quartile."

Unless you can show the data otherwise, it is not logical to assume that the people who otherwise would have been discharged home (to live long healthy lives) are the ones dying from COVID. while the sick people who otherwise would have lived 6-12 months are not dying from COVID but instead outliving expectations.

I agree it's possible but it's a stretch to make that assumption.

DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

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No the number of cases linked to long term care facilities does not include the skilled nursing patients. Note that the number is actually higher than what's reported in these links, as the state with the most deaths (New York) only counts nursing home residents' deaths as such if they died on site but didn't if they died elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/amp/

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It's not clear how Forbes is defining long-term care. The NYT article defines it to include "nursing homes, assisted-living facilities, memory care facilities, retirement and senior communities and rehabilitation facilities."

AZ_Bear said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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Did you even read the conclusion? They are discussing length of stay before death, not length of stay before discharge.

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That's my whole point.

Sam Lowry said:

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AZ_Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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Did you even read the conclusion? They are discussing length of stay before death, not length of stay before discharge.

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That's my whole point.

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

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The life expectancy of an 85 year old woman with a hip fracture is not the same as for an 85 year old woman without a hip fracture.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

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The life expectancy of an 85 year old woman with a hip fracture is not the same as for an 85 year old woman without a hip fracture.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

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Fair enough, but neither is the life expectancy for a rehab patient the same as for a permanent resident.

Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

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The life expectancy of an 85 year old woman with a hip fracture is not the same as for an 85 year old woman without a hip fracture.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

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Fair enough, but neither is the life expectancy for a rehab patient the same as for a permanent resident.

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You are confusing the recovery potential for those patients who go to acute rehab (not long term care) after hospitalization with that of those patients who are so debilitated that they only qualify for skilled nursing. There is a huge difference.

DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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DioNoZeus said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Most are the elderly and/or long term care residents (those people don't typically make it 6-12 months after admission).

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Not a reliable estimate of life expectancy, as it fails to count residents who are discharged.

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Wrong. The data come from the paper discussed in this article.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death

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It's right there in the first sentence: "In a study of elderly Americans who moved to a nursing home for their final months or years of life, 65 percent died there within one year." Many are not there for their final months or years, but are in transition back to their communities.

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When you are dictated from the hospital, you can go to one of four places:

Home
Acute rehab (requires the ability to participate in physical therapy for 3 hours a day)
Sub-acute rehab/skilled nursing facility (for those who are too debilitated for acute rehab but require PT/low level nursing care)
Long-term acute care hospital

This link explains the difference between nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities

https://www.familyassets.com/nursing-homes/resources/skilled-nursing-vs-nursing-home

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Exactly. So your study only applies to what you'd technically call nursing home care. The facility with the highest death count in the country appears to be both a nursing home and a rehab center. This woman was healthy and living at home until she checked into the rehab center to recover from a hip replacement. One month later she died of covid. The life expectancy for an 85-year-old female in New York is about 6.5 years, not 6-12 months.

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The life expectancy of an 85 year old woman with a hip fracture is not the same as for an 85 year old woman without a hip fracture.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

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Fair enough, but neither is the life expectancy for a rehab patient the same as for a permanent resident.

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You are confusing the recovery potential for those patients who go to acute rehab (not long term care) after hospitalization with that of those patients who are so debilitated that they only qualify for skilled nursing. There is a huge difference.

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No, I'm sure there are differences among all the categories. That's why we can't take the life expectancy from one category and apply it to all of them.

For context, in this study of patients who lived independently before hospitalization followed by discharge to SNF, the one year mortality was 26% and only 60% were ultimately discharged home.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4706779/

It doesn't matter. Don't waste your time.

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Yeah JR, let's go ahead and lockdown for two months and increase penalties for not wearing masks.

Also no travel.

If you object because it's hurting your wallet then you're a racist bigot.

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now, doc....I'm pragmatic, and you aren not. I'm not saying lockdown, I go to the office everyday, support my local restaurants and bars. It's obvious that mercans are either are too selfish or arrogant to voluntarily wear a mask in public. Travel can wait. I've traveled extensively , both business, and personal, and still do. Racist bigot, bro, that a little harsh, even for you. This is a time for everyone to pull together in a reasonable manner that doesn't increase the pandemic or tank the economy.

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No clue where you live but who's not wearing a mask? Everyone has a mask. 99-% of them are useless, which of course tue science clearly states.

This is just a red herring. Most Every country that has an open media and militant mask rules have gone back into a lockdown of some sort.

"Masks" are overwhelmingly worthless. You can read the science yourself but if it makes people think they are doing something g to help, great. No amount of mask wearing would prevent the way society is responding which throws 100 years of advanced epidemic knowledge playbook out the window.

Everywhere I go, everyone is wearing a "mask" and yet this thing isn't going away.

Once the "vaccines" are rolled out in 2 weeks mysteriously deaths will shift from the covid side of the ledger to the flu side and this will be solved.

Unless FDA sits on EAU until Dementia Joe comes in. Then it will be in 8 - 10 weeks.

Can't believe how much time of people's lives has been wasted discussing masks when they refuse to read and understand the science but those sake people can be convinced to vote for a worthless octogenarian and a socialist. Or have a mail in vote cast a few times for them. Lol

I wish I could have my own facts.

Carlos Safety said:

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I wish I could have my own facts.

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I know. Sorry to spoil it.