Sarah Fuller becomes the first woman to play in a Power 5 college football game.

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In reply to Jack Bauer • 11:09a, 12/2/20
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Look at this. What a **** article.
Maybe Vandy deserves a player that can kick it further than 30 yards.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/sarah-fuller-deserves-better-so-lets-hope-vanderbilt-can-give-georgia-a-real-game/ar-BB1bz2y8

Sarah Fuller Deserves Better So Let's Hope Vanderbilt Can Give Georgia a Real Game

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Sarah Fuller will travel with the Vanderbilt Commodores to Athens this weekend to kick against the No. 8 Georgia Bulldogs. After becoming the first woman to play in an Power 5 game last weekend, she is again Vandy's best option at kicker. All that's left standing between her and history is her team.

Fuller's story is an important one, but the circumstances kind of stink. She's kicking for the lowest-scoring team in the toughest conference in college football. Vanderbilt is 0-8 and has scored just 14.3 points per game this season, the third-lowest average in all of college football. They have attempted just seven field goals and 15 extra points in eight games.

No disrespect to Vanderbilt, an excellent university, but they stink at football. If the NCAA had any heart, they'd let her switch teams this weekend so she could guarantee she could kick some footballs that could be exchanged for points on the board. With Vandy facing their fourth ranked opponent of the season, the prospects of Fuller getting a chance to exhibit her full range of kicking skills against the 20th-best scoring defense in FBS is low.

We know she will have the opportunity for one kickoff. Will they let her really get after one or would it be better to do another targeted squib kick to prove to the jealous haters out there that she did actually mean to do that?

And after that kick, who knows. Vanderbilt managed four field goal attempts and four extra point attempts in their three previous games against their ranked SEC opponents. This is the definition of "So you're telling me there's a chance."

It's a lot of pressure on everyone involved. Vanderbilt should really want this. Fuller's success would be a bright silver lining on a bad season. Most importantly, it would be success on the team's part. They probably won't upset Georgia, unless we're currently living in a sports movie simulation. But moving the ball and getting points on the board against Georgia would be great for everyone involved. It would be a reason for Vanderbilt to celebrate this cursed college football season and a reason for the rest of the country to celebrate Vanderbilt football.

Last weekend a bunch of people watched Vanderbilt football. When Fuller kicked off, it was a nice moment for little girls to see what is actually possible. This week, Vanderbilt has a chance to give all those people something to really celebrate. Who knows when we'll get another chance.

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Sarah Fuller will travel with the Vanderbilt Commodores to Athens this weekend to kick against the No. 8 Georgia Bulldogs. After becoming the first woman to play in an Power 5 game last weekend, she is again Vandy's best option at kicker. All that's left standing between her and history is her team.

I guarantee you, she is not the best option at kicker on campus at Vanderbilt. There are literally dozens of real kickers on campus that could sail it over 50 yards and get some real hang time on the ball.

Her being out there is nothing more than a "make a wish" deal but for a healthy individual.
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In reply to Wrecks Quan Dough • 11:09a, 12/2/20
Carlos Safety said:
boognish_bear said:


How do you take those words, sports fans?


If she needs to be blocked then Kirby has told his guys to block her

I hope it sends a message to girls in future, "If ya want to play a man's sport, ya need to be a man!"

College football,especially SEC, is a man's sport!

Sorry about that espn
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In reply to Wrecks Quan Dough • 11:18a, 12/2/20
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bear2be2 said:
ilbb990912 said:
The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?
He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.



How many times did she punt?

Vandy has a punter so you do the math.

BTW, had the punter spot been open she'd likely have gotten that call. She got a goalie assist this year on a full-length punt that was volleyed in.

The SEC is overselling this but sports is about hype, so <yawn>. I'd have preferred a 12th man angle.
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In reply to Forest Bueller_bf • 11:19a, 12/2/20
Forest Bueller_bf said:
br53 said:
Forest Bueller_bf said:
br53 said:
Carlos Safety said:
boognish_bear said:


How do you take those words, sports fans?
I think Kirby is going to have a return kickoff ready for them where he sends a blocker after the kicker to welcome her to the SEC.
I kind of doubt it, that would be targeting a defenseless player and a personal foul and 15 yard penalty goes with it.

Now if she runs down the field like a normal kicker, plays her position as a safety on the kickoff, someone might have to block her. I doubt they light her up though. Just wouldn't go over well.


When UGA is running it back and they will, if she is in the way she is getting hit
True.

The Georgia Bulldogs made our own Baylor football team look average at times last year. Any returner that gets past the defense will blow by most kickers untouched, especially this one.

Nobody is going to "demolish" her, probably just nudge her at worst.
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In reply to quash • 11:21a, 12/2/20
quash said:
Carlos Safety said:
bear2be2 said:
ilbb990912 said:
The Vandy coach pulled off a genius move.

He barely kept his job last year, they're 0-8 this year and getting rocked by Missouri 41-0..He throws her in to kick off a 30 yard kick, and the next day headlines are about a modern day Joan of Arc in our midst!

Who gives a S- - t about winning anymore?
He didn't throw her into kick as a stunt. She was the only kicker on a decimated roster and that was Vandy's only kickoff of the game. She was there by request to handle all of their kicking duties.



How many times did she punt?

Vandy has a punter so you do the math.

If they have a punter, then they have a kicker. Every punter I have ever watched in practice, including D-1 punters, can do at least as good a job as she did last week.
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11:21a, 12/2/20
Oh good grief, I saw the video of her warming up before the game, nothing but low line drive extra points, she might have at best 35 or so yard range, with very very low trajectory.

She looked like an average to below average class 2A HS football kicker. She would not start for any HS above 3A at kicker.

And there are a whole bunch of 2A and 3A level kickers much better than her.

Our dinky super low level TAPPS team down the street from me has a kicker much much better than this and he is nowhere near ever going to be a college kicker.


This is a stunt pure and simple and an insult to women everywhere. What it is saying, you don't actually have to earn your way on the team if you are a woman, we will just let you kick anyway "because" you are a woman. That is the ultimate insult and lack of respect you could give someone. It also has no meaning whatsoever because it is illegitimate. You would not see a male with a pathetic leg like this allowed to kick on a P5 football field, unless it were an all comers halftime kicking contest.
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11:29a, 12/2/20
Clay Travis on Twitter: "Report: Several Vandy football players are considering quitting the team because they know the girl kicker stunt was a complete farce & they are disgusted with it: https://t.co/D3hHjlNxPn" / Twitter
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 12:19p, 12/2/20
Jack Bauer said:
I don't know what dumbazz asked that question. If you have to ask this and for the other coach to have a plan for this, then there is no equality.

On whether he has had or plans to have a conversation with his kickoff team about Vanderbilt's Sarah Fuller in regards to safety

Kirby Smart: "Probably not. I've never had to have that conversation before. I'm not going to change and have the conversation now. We don't account for the kicker in our returns. I don't think anybody in the country accounts for the kicker. You assume that if you get to the kicker you did a pretty good job in the return game. We don't plan on having a conversation about it. She plays a very physical sport, to be honest with you. I've seen some pretty brutal collisions without a helmet and without gear on, so I'm sure she can take care of herself when it comes to that. That's not something that we really concern ourselves with, because we don't assign anybody to the kicker."

It was a silly question, just as all the faux concern here about Fuller's safety is silly. Kickers don't get hit unless a penalty occurs or they put themselves in harm's way. They basically have non-contact roles. The most they're ever expected to do is take a bad angle at a returner and dive in his general direction.
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In reply to Forest Bueller_bf • 12:31p, 12/2/20
Forest Bueller_bf said:
Oh good grief, I saw the video of her warming up before the game, nothing but low line drive extra points, she might have at best 35 or so yard range, with very very low trajectory.

She looked like an average to below average class 2A HS football kicker. She would not start for any HS above 3A at kicker.

And there are a whole bunch of 2A and 3A level kickers much better than her.

Our dinky super low level TAPPS team down the street from me has a kicker much much better than this and he is nowhere near ever going to be a college kicker.


This is a stunt pure and simple and an insult to women everywhere. What it is saying, you don't actually have to earn your way on the team if you are a woman, we will just let you kick anyway "because" you are a woman. That is the ultimate insult and lack of respect you could give someone. It also has no meaning whatsoever because it is illegitimate. You would not see a male with a pathetic leg like this allowed to kick on a P5 football field, unless it were an all comers halftime kicking contest.
Your logic is immune to the woke crowd.

Completely immune.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:44p, 12/2/20
bear2be2 said:
Jack Bauer said:
I don't know what dumbazz asked that question. If you have to ask this and for the other coach to have a plan for this, then there is no equality.

On whether he has had or plans to have a conversation with his kickoff team about Vanderbilt's Sarah Fuller in regards to safety

Kirby Smart: "Probably not. I've never had to have that conversation before. I'm not going to change and have the conversation now. We don't account for the kicker in our returns. I don't think anybody in the country accounts for the kicker. You assume that if you get to the kicker you did a pretty good job in the return game. We don't plan on having a conversation about it. She plays a very physical sport, to be honest with you. I've seen some pretty brutal collisions without a helmet and without gear on, so I'm sure she can take care of herself when it comes to that. That's not something that we really concern ourselves with, because we don't assign anybody to the kicker."

It was a silly question, just as all the faux concern here about Fuller's safety is silly. Kickers don't get hit unless a penalty occurs or they put themselves in harm's way. They basically have non-contact roles. The most they're ever expected to do is take a bad angle at a returner and dive in his general direction.
If you want to know what is really silly, then you just need to consider how silly it is to expose a girl to severe injury when there were at least 20 people on the team who could kick the ball as well as she did and could have been a genuine threat to nail a mid-range field goal. That is what is really silly.
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In reply to nein51 • 12:47p, 12/2/20
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BU79 said:
nein51 said:
For sure. Tough place to break through.
Very tough

I hope your nephew is enjoying his experience at Davidson

He loves it there. He's crazy athletic and if he really wanted to could have played D1 baseball. His dad was an OL at PSU in the 80s but had a heart attack and died at like 44-45 so I think he felt sort of obligated to play football.
Happy for him but so sorry to hear of his dad's passing and not being able to share that and other experiences with him. Watching your kids excel at anything including sports is one heck of a ride
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:33p, 12/2/20
bear2be2 said:
Jack Bauer said:
I don't know what dumbazz asked that question. If you have to ask this and for the other coach to have a plan for this, then there is no equality.

On whether he has had or plans to have a conversation with his kickoff team about Vanderbilt's Sarah Fuller in regards to safety

Kirby Smart: "Probably not. I've never had to have that conversation before. I'm not going to change and have the conversation now. We don't account for the kicker in our returns. I don't think anybody in the country accounts for the kicker. You assume that if you get to the kicker you did a pretty good job in the return game. We don't plan on having a conversation about it. She plays a very physical sport, to be honest with you. I've seen some pretty brutal collisions without a helmet and without gear on, so I'm sure she can take care of herself when it comes to that. That's not something that we really concern ourselves with, because we don't assign anybody to the kicker."

It was a silly question, just as all the faux concern here about Fuller's safety is silly. Kickers don't get hit unless a penalty occurs or they put themselves in harm's way. They basically have non-contact roles. The most they're ever expected to do is take a bad angle at a returner and dive in his general direction.
Really?

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 1:37p, 12/2/20
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bear2be2 said:
Jack Bauer said:
I don't know what dumbazz asked that question. If you have to ask this and for the other coach to have a plan for this, then there is no equality.

On whether he has had or plans to have a conversation with his kickoff team about Vanderbilt's Sarah Fuller in regards to safety

Kirby Smart: "Probably not. I've never had to have that conversation before. I'm not going to change and have the conversation now. We don't account for the kicker in our returns. I don't think anybody in the country accounts for the kicker. You assume that if you get to the kicker you did a pretty good job in the return game. We don't plan on having a conversation about it. She plays a very physical sport, to be honest with you. I've seen some pretty brutal collisions without a helmet and without gear on, so I'm sure she can take care of herself when it comes to that. That's not something that we really concern ourselves with, because we don't assign anybody to the kicker."

It was a silly question, just as all the faux concern here about Fuller's safety is silly. Kickers don't get hit unless a penalty occurs or they put themselves in harm's way. They basically have non-contact roles. The most they're ever expected to do is take a bad angle at a returner and dive in his general direction.
Really?


Daniel Sepulveda was not a place kicker. He was a punter. And he sought out contact because he was a big former linebacker. Most kickers are smaller and less athletic/physical than Fuller. There's a reason they're called specialists.
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1:45p, 12/2/20
If the returner gets past the coverage, I assume she will do what most pro QBs do after throwing an INT which is either make a half-azz attempt at a tackle or just let them score.
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1:46p, 12/2/20
After she gets KO'ed by someone on Georgia's kick return team, we will then hear the predictable wailing about how football is "too violent" and it needs to be banned or fundamentally changed.
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In reply to JXL • 1:47p, 12/2/20
JXL said:
After she gets KO'ed by someone on Georgia's kick return team, we will then hear the predictable wailing about how football is "too violent" and it needs to be banned or fundamentally changed.
Nobody is going to KO her even if they have the chance.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:57p, 12/2/20
bear2be2 said:
GrowlTowel said:
bear2be2 said:
Jack Bauer said:
I don't know what dumbazz asked that question. If you have to ask this and for the other coach to have a plan for this, then there is no equality.

On whether he has had or plans to have a conversation with his kickoff team about Vanderbilt's Sarah Fuller in regards to safety

Kirby Smart: "Probably not. I've never had to have that conversation before. I'm not going to change and have the conversation now. We don't account for the kicker in our returns. I don't think anybody in the country accounts for the kicker. You assume that if you get to the kicker you did a pretty good job in the return game. We don't plan on having a conversation about it. She plays a very physical sport, to be honest with you. I've seen some pretty brutal collisions without a helmet and without gear on, so I'm sure she can take care of herself when it comes to that. That's not something that we really concern ourselves with, because we don't assign anybody to the kicker."

It was a silly question, just as all the faux concern here about Fuller's safety is silly. Kickers don't get hit unless a penalty occurs or they put themselves in harm's way. They basically have non-contact roles. The most they're ever expected to do is take a bad angle at a returner and dive in his general direction.
Really?


Most kickers are smaller and less athletic/physical than Fuller.
Wow, this is simply untrue, there isn't a single legitimate P5 D1 kicker in America less athletic than Fuller. She is a soccer goalie, if she break a 5.4 40, I would be surprised.

You live in a dream world about how unathletic kickers are. At the P5 D1 level they are very very good athletes. Look at the leg drive they get on kicks. They kick it not only far, often 70 yards+ but very high. You can tell someone with weak leg drive right off because they hit low line drives because they don't have the leg strength to generate lift on the ball.

I like you as a poster, but with this post show me you know absolutely nothing about this subject.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 2:13p, 12/2/20
GrowlTowel said:
bear2be2 said:
Jack Bauer said:
I don't know what dumbazz asked that question. If you have to ask this and for the other coach to have a plan for this, then there is no equality.

On whether he has had or plans to have a conversation with his kickoff team about Vanderbilt's Sarah Fuller in regards to safety

Kirby Smart: "Probably not. I've never had to have that conversation before. I'm not going to change and have the conversation now. We don't account for the kicker in our returns. I don't think anybody in the country accounts for the kicker. You assume that if you get to the kicker you did a pretty good job in the return game. We don't plan on having a conversation about it. She plays a very physical sport, to be honest with you. I've seen some pretty brutal collisions without a helmet and without gear on, so I'm sure she can take care of herself when it comes to that. That's not something that we really concern ourselves with, because we don't assign anybody to the kicker."

It was a silly question, just as all the faux concern here about Fuller's safety is silly. Kickers don't get hit unless a penalty occurs or they put themselves in harm's way. They basically have non-contact roles. The most they're ever expected to do is take a bad angle at a returner and dive in his general direction.
Really?

That might have gotten him ejected for targeting nowadays. Definitely not something I've heard a punter or kicker flagged for.
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2:59p, 12/2/20
Football is not this lady's sport.

She stepped up because too many members of the team tested positive for Covid.

She didnt try out for the team. She was drafted because she had the right skill.

How'd you like to step in to a Division 1 game for a sport you've never played?

She did what she was there to do. Hard to believe there's so much blowback when this wasn't her sport and she stepped in to help the team because she was asked to do it.

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In reply to J.B.Katz • 3:04p, 12/2/20
J.B.Katz said:
Football is not this lady's sport.

She stepped up because too many members of the team tested positive for Covid.

She didnt try out for the team. She was drafted because she had the right skill.

How'd you like to step in to a Division 1 game for a sport you've never played?

She did what she was there to do. Hard to believe there's so much blowback when this wasn't her sport and she stepped in to help the team because she was asked to do it.

Cause there was absolutely no reason to go to her outside of this being a stunt.

There are at least 25 guys on the team that could have easily done this well, the punter could have done it better.

There are absolutely zero reason to make this into a stunt as they did.
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In reply to J.B.Katz • 3:05p, 12/2/20
J.B.Katz said:


How'd you like to step in to a Division 1 game for a sport you've never played?



I think, at this point, I would expect to be named ESPN's special teams co-player of the week.
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3:08p, 12/2/20
Why the hell is it so offensive to state "I don't want women to play men's sports and vice versa"?
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In reply to Forest Bueller_bf • 3:13p, 12/2/20
Forest Bueller_bf said:
J.B.Katz said:
Football is not this lady's sport.

She stepped up because too many members of the team tested positive for Covid.

She didnt try out for the team. She was drafted because she had the right skill.

How'd you like to step in to a Division 1 game for a sport you've never played?

She did what she was there to do. Hard to believe there's so much blowback when this wasn't her sport and she stepped in to help the team because she was asked to do it.

Cause there was absolutely no reason to go to her outside of this being a stunt.

There are at least 25 guys on the team that could have easily done this well, the punter could have done it better.

There are absolutely zero reason to make this into a stunt as they did.
Then attack the decisionmakers, not the college athlete who stepped up when her school asked her to help out.

My take is Vandy decided if they were gonna lose big, they might as well make history doing it. They did.
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3:14p, 12/2/20
I can find atleast 5 kids on a 1A team in Texas that can kick a minimum of 35 yards every time.
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 3:23p, 12/2/20
Doc Holliday said:
Why the hell is it so offensive to state "I don't want women to play men's sports and vice versa"?
With you, its not that what you say is offensive, its how you say it and how you mean it and how often you say it.

Went to a Baylor football practice with my father when I was there. He could be a real ass--- at games, and he wouldn't stop riding one player who kept messing up. I was opening my mouth to tell him that if he ddn't stop mouthng off at this kid, I was going to leave, when a man behind us in the bleachers tapped him on the shoulder. "That's our son," he said.


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In reply to J.B.Katz • 3:36p, 12/2/20
J.B.Katz said:
Doc Holliday said:
Why the hell is it so offensive to state "I don't want women to play men's sports and vice versa"?
With you, its not that what you say is offensive, its how you say it and how you mean it and how often you say it.

Went to a Baylor football practice with my father when I was there. He could be a real ass--- at games, and he wouldn't stop riding one player who kept messing up. I was opening my mouth to tell him that if he ddn't stop mouthng off at this kid, I was going to leave, when a man behind us in the bleachers tapped him on the shoulder. "That's our son," he said.
I'm not attacking the girl, I'm attacking the people trying to make this into something groundbreaking because they want it to be the new normal.
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3:59p, 12/2/20
Respect to Ms. Fuller, but this was patently a desperate publicity attempt by Vandy's coach to keep his job, and idiots like ESPN want to play it up well beyond it's real impact and value.

ESPN did make mention of a far more worthy accomplishment by a female athlete. That is the story of Didi Richards, who suffered a spinal cord injury and had to learn to walk all over again.

She returned to basketball last night and collected 4 points, 7 assists and 2 steals in 30 minutes of game time.

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30431506/baylor-didi-richards-returns-court-5-weeks-spinal-cord-injury

THAT is what a tough, determined athlete looks like, and SHE is the kind of female athlete who deserves praise and respect for overcoming the odds and adversity.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 4:07p, 12/2/20
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Respect to Ms. Fuller, but this was patently a desperate publicity attempt by Vandy's coach to keep his job, and idiots like ESPN want to play it up well beyond it's real impact and value.

ESPN did make mention of a far more worthy accomplishment by a female athlete. That is the story of Didi Richards, who suffered a spinal cord injury and had to learn to walk all over again.

She returned to basketball last night and collected 4 points, 7 assists and 2 steals in 30 minutes of game time.

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30431506/baylor-didi-richards-returns-court-5-weeks-spinal-cord-injury

THAT is what a tough, determined athlete looks like, and SHE is the kind of female athlete who deserves praise and respect for overcoming the odds and adversity.
If Didi Richards had come off the bench for the men's team and made two technical free throws, she would be Big12 player of the week!

But seriously - good for Didi. Glad you are back!
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In reply to J.B.Katz • 4:35p, 12/2/20
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Forest Bueller_bf said:
J.B.Katz said:
Football is not this lady's sport.

She stepped up because too many members of the team tested positive for Covid.

She didnt try out for the team. She was drafted because she had the right skill.

How'd you like to step in to a Division 1 game for a sport you've never played?

She did what she was there to do. Hard to believe there's so much blowback when this wasn't her sport and she stepped in to help the team because she was asked to do it.

Cause there was absolutely no reason to go to her outside of this being a stunt.

There are at least 25 guys on the team that could have easily done this well, the punter could have done it better.

There are absolutely zero reason to make this into a stunt as they did.
Then attack the decisionmakers, not the college athlete who stepped up when her school asked her to help out.

My take is Vandy decided if they were gonna lose big, they might as well make history doing it. They did.
A agree with this. It is the decision makers fault. It was a stupid, even rediculous move. Have you seen the new articles with women talking about, trying to open doors in the NFL for women, and the NFL assistant coach women are talking about it, saying, oh this was much more than a kick.

Problem is when you let something stupid like this happen, it opens the door for stupid people to start talking about "progress" that isn't progress and then they talk about women in the NFL and such mess.

If she walked out there and sent a high booming 70 yard howitzer into the air I would say more power to her.

But as is, reality has to sink in.........

She would be a poor HS kicker, much less a college or NFL talent.

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In reply to Forest Bueller_bf • 4:46p, 12/2/20
Forest Bueller_bf said:
J.B.Katz said:
Forest Bueller_bf said:
J.B.Katz said:
Football is not this lady's sport.

She stepped up because too many members of the team tested positive for Covid.

She didnt try out for the team. She was drafted because she had the right skill.

How'd you like to step in to a Division 1 game for a sport you've never played?

She did what she was there to do. Hard to believe there's so much blowback when this wasn't her sport and she stepped in to help the team because she was asked to do it.

Cause there was absolutely no reason to go to her outside of this being a stunt.

There are at least 25 guys on the team that could have easily done this well, the punter could have done it better.

There are absolutely zero reason to make this into a stunt as they did.
Then attack the decisionmakers, not the college athlete who stepped up when her school asked her to help out.

My take is Vandy decided if they were gonna lose big, they might as well make history doing it. They did.
A agree with this. It is the decision makers fault. It was a stupid, even rediculous move. Have you seen the new articles with women talking about, trying to open doors in the NFL for women, and the NFL assistant coach women are talking about it, saying, oh this was much more than a kick.

Problem is when you let something stupid like this happen, it opens the door for stupid people to start talking about "progress" that isn't progress and then they talk about women in the NFL and such mess.

If she walked out there and sent a high booming 70 yard howitzer into the air I would say more power to her.

But as is, reality has to sink in.........

She would be a poor HS kicker, much less a college or NFL talent.

She's a college athlete not a pro. She's at Vandy to get a good degree not a career in pro sports.

Women aren't going to play pro football except in women's leagues.

The slope just aint that slippery.

Most of these athletes are kids who are going to do something else after they play sports in college. The pressure we put on these kids and the way we treat them isnt healthy for them or us.
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4:50p, 12/2/20
I'm proud for Fuller, but this is a stunt
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In reply to J.B.Katz • 4:52p, 12/2/20
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Doc Holliday said:
Why the hell is it so offensive to state "I don't want women to play men's sports and vice versa"?
With you, its not that what you say is offensive, its how you say it and how you mean it and how often you say it.

Went to a Baylor football practice with my father when I was there. He could be a real ass--- at games, and he wouldn't stop riding one player who kept messing up. I was opening my mouth to tell him that if he ddn't stop mouthng off at this kid, I was going to leave, when a man behind us in the bleachers tapped him on the shoulder. "That's our son," he said.


That is a funny story. Both my brothers coach football, at one point both in 5A, which is now 6A, one was at Arlington High one in the DISD.

I went to their games as often as I could, I would just sit in the stands by myself and watch, usually pretty quietly.

One guy was going on and on and on about the idiot coaches, you know the guy always talking to people around him, trying to get their attention, trying to get approval, I tried not to look at him as I didn't want to get into it.

He then looked at me, rolled his eyes and said loudly, has this guy always been this big an idiot. He was talking about my brother. Now I'm a big guy, and he had no idea who I was, I don't look much like the brother who was coaching in this game.

Without raising my voice, acting angry or mad at all about it, I said, well since he's my brother, I suppose he always has been.

That guy didn't say one damned word for a looong time, except to constantly apologize. I finally said, look I get it, we all need someone to vent about, but you know he is actually a really good coach.

That is something that will always be really funny to me.
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In reply to Forest Bueller_bf • 5:31p, 12/2/20
Forest Bueller_bf said:
J.B.Katz said:
Doc Holliday said:
Why the hell is it so offensive to state "I don't want women to play men's sports and vice versa"?
With you, its not that what you say is offensive, its how you say it and how you mean it and how often you say it.

Went to a Baylor football practice with my father when I was there. He could be a real ass--- at games, and he wouldn't stop riding one player who kept messing up. I was opening my mouth to tell him that if he ddn't stop mouthng off at this kid, I was going to leave, when a man behind us in the bleachers tapped him on the shoulder. "That's our son," he said.


That is a funny story. Both my brothers coach football, at one point both in 5A, which is now 6A, one was at Arlington High one in the DISD.

I went to their games as often as I could, I would just sit in the stands by myself and watch, usually pretty quietly.

One guy was going on and on and on about the idiot coaches, you know the guy always talking to people around him, trying to get their attention, trying to get approval, I tried not to look at him as I didn't want to get into it.

He then looked at me, rolled his eyes and said loudly, has this guy always been this big an idiot. He was talking about my brother. Now I'm a big guy, and he had no idea who I was, I don't look much like the brother who was coaching in this game.

Without raising my voice, acting angry or mad at all about it, I said, well since he's my brother, I suppose he always has been.

That guy didn't say one damned word for a looong time, except to constantly apologize. I finally said, look I get it, we all need someone to vent about, but you know he is actually a really good coach.

That is something that will always be really funny to me.
Good answer. Like in the bible, the soft answer than turns away wrath.

My father should have known better than to run his mouth like that. I played fb and bb in hs because the towns where we lived were so small you played whatever sport the coach needed players for, and there were always parents who still expected every kid to play like a pro. Sometimes the moms were worse than the dads.
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I played in an intramural softball game where the mom of one of the Sigma Chis on the other team showed up with her chair and went full Little League mom.
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In reply to J.B.Katz • 8:29p, 12/2/20
J.B.Katz said:
Forest Bueller_bf said:
J.B.Katz said:
Doc Holliday said:
Why the hell is it so offensive to state "I don't want women to play men's sports and vice versa"?
With you, its not that what you say is offensive, its how you say it and how you mean it and how often you say it.

Went to a Baylor football practice with my father when I was there. He could be a real ass--- at games, and he wouldn't stop riding one player who kept messing up. I was opening my mouth to tell him that if he ddn't stop mouthng off at this kid, I was going to leave, when a man behind us in the bleachers tapped him on the shoulder. "That's our son," he said.


That is a funny story. Both my brothers coach football, at one point both in 5A, which is now 6A, one was at Arlington High one in the DISD.

I went to their games as often as I could, I would just sit in the stands by myself and watch, usually pretty quietly.

One guy was going on and on and on about the idiot coaches, you know the guy always talking to people around him, trying to get their attention, trying to get approval, I tried not to look at him as I didn't want to get into it.

He then looked at me, rolled his eyes and said loudly, has this guy always been this big an idiot. He was talking about my brother. Now I'm a big guy, and he had no idea who I was, I don't look much like the brother who was coaching in this game.

Without raising my voice, acting angry or mad at all about it, I said, well since he's my brother, I suppose he always has been.

That guy didn't say one damned word for a looong time, except to constantly apologize. I finally said, look I get it, we all need someone to vent about, but you know he is actually a really good coach.

That is something that will always be really funny to me.
Good answer. Like in the bible, the soft answer than turns away wrath.

My father should have known better than to run his mouth like that. I played fb and bb in hs because the towns where we lived were so small you played whatever sport the coach needed players for, and there were always parents who still expected every kid to play like a pro. Sometimes the moms were worse than the dads.
The worst parent I ever saw, was a t-ball mama, her child was a sweet boy, very athletic and coordinated for a 6 year old. I had to be "the" coach the last couple of games because the main coach tired of her so much they quit.. She would flip off and f-bomb the refs, she raced up to the dugout and yelled at the kids once, "they didn't want it bad enough". Mind you we didn't keep score.

I told her before the last game, she had to cut the cursing if she wanted to be there.

Very thankfully she didn't show up for it and dad brought him. He was as nice as the little boy, who admittedly for 6 was really good. She probably ended up ruining for him.

By the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved.
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