quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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quash said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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If victory is to be declared, it is for truth, not for myself. Truth, you shout from mountaintops.

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Some shout perception of truth, without facts or evidence.

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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How about the same grounds when you have given orders to others on this board?

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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How about the same grounds when you have given orders to others on this board?

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For a scientist, TS, you seem to have poor comprehension of the difference between an opinion and a directive.

Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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How about the same grounds when you have given orders to others on this board?

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For a scientist, TS, you seem to have poor comprehension of the difference between an opinion and a directive.

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You mean like Quash's opinion?

Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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How about the same grounds when you have given orders to others on this board?

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For a scientist, TS, you seem to have poor comprehension of the difference between an opinion and a directive.

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TS's persistent battle is against the opinions of Christians.

He spends a great deal of energy fighting against what he calls a myth. Odd

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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How about the same grounds when you have given orders to others on this board?

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For a scientist, TS, you seem to have poor comprehension of the difference between an opinion and a directive.

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You mean like Quash's opinion directive?

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You need to use that dictionary for more than a doorstop, TS.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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If victory is to be declared, it is for truth, not for myself. Truth, you shout from mountaintops.

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How pharisaic.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

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And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Matthew 5:14-15

"You are the light of the world....no one lights a lamp and covers it under a basket; but places it on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house."

Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

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English is rarely spoken properly in The USA or UK anymore. Haven't you noticed?

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

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English is rarely spoken properly in The USA or UK anymore. Haven't you noticed?

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What I noticed is that you think English is not a major language in India. Then I noticed you run away from that contention.

quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

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English is rarely spoken properly in The USA or UK anymore. Haven't you noticed?

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What I noticed is that you think English is not a major language in India. Then I noticed you run away from that contention.

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I notice that your hemorrhoids have yet again found their way into print, quash.

Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

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English is rarely spoken properly in The USA or UK anymore. Haven't you noticed?

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What I noticed is that you think English is not a major language in India. Then I noticed you run away from that contention.

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I notice that your hemorrhoids have yet again found their way into print, quash.

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Can you show me on this this doll where the facts hurt you?

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

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Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

---

English is rarely spoken properly in The USA or UK anymore. Haven't you noticed?

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What I noticed is that you think English is not a major language in India. Then I noticed you run away from that contention.

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I notice that your hemorrhoids have yet again found their way into print, quash.

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Can you show me on this this doll where the facts hurt you?

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I know you hear that a lot, but you don't have to repeat it here, quash.

Just tell your mommy you need another nap, and you'll be fine.

Like the President, you can have ice cream after your nap.

Confession and repentance make me better person.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

---

Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

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Would also point out Gandhi was educated at Oxford. His English was arguably better than anyone participating here, myself included.
Does anyone else get tired of interesting threads exchanging ideas that always seem to end with the "I'm a real Christian and your not argument?"

TWD 74 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

---

Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

---

Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

---

Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

---

Would also point out Gandhi was educated at Oxford. His English was arguably better than anyone participating here, myself included.
Does anyone else get tired of interesting threads exchanging ideas that always seem to end with the "I'm a real Christian and your not argument?"

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Like telling someone to take their opinion into a closet rather than post it here?

Yeah, that gets old fast.

TWD 74 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

---

Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

---

Would also point out Gandhi was educated at Oxford. His English was arguably better than anyone participating here, myself included.
Does anyone else get tired of interesting threads exchanging ideas that always seem to end with the "I'm a real Christian and your not argument?"

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That's because Christianity is so poorly defined, anything goes.

Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Good point. We don't.

TWD 74 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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quash said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco47, by you reverting back to silence, I'm gonna assume that you understood my point and realize that it is true. Yes?

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Silence is not assent. If you feel the need to declare victory go into your closet, not a digital street corner.

---

And on what grounds do you give orders to BTD, quash?

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Matt 6:6.

In my opinion.

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Just checked, and you don't speak for Christ.

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Rechecked, never claimed to.

---

Denial, always a favorite go-to move by quash.

Yeah you did. Kind of obvious, even.

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Can't speak for Gandhi either.

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Not surprised. Few people outside India speak any of even the major languages used there.

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LOL. English is the second most spoken language in India.

---

Would also point out Gandhi was educated at Oxford. His English was arguably better than anyone participating here, myself included.
Does anyone else get tired of interesting threads exchanging ideas that always seem to end with the "I'm a real Christian and your not argument?"

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Choose good posters here. There are several conservatives who dialogue.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

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No, you don't. Not if you're saying you can achieve the exact same results a number of other ways.

Right?

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

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No, you don't. Not if you're saying you can achieve the exact same results a number of other ways.

Right?

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What result?

Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

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No, you don't. Not if you're saying you can achieve the exact same results a number of other ways.

Right?

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What result?

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You tell us- what result can you obtain being a follower of Jesus, that you can't obtain with anything else?

- You say everyone gets eternal life in heaven, so that's not it.
- You said that you help the poor and abused, but you can do that with any other belief, or even as an atheist.
- You said that holding on to "sins" like bitterness and ignoring the poor weighs your soul down, but you can let go of bitterness and help the poor without having to believe in Jesus.
- You said that it makes you a better person, but you can be a better person through other means.

So, I haven't heard any reason why someone needs to follow Jesus. You said Buddhists don't need him - so that means you can denounce your faith right now and become a Buddhist, and then you wouldn't need Jesus. You'd be able to do all the above, and even have eternal life in heaven. So that means by definition, Jesus is not necessary, i.e. you don't need Jesus. Right?

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

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No, you don't. Not if you're saying you can achieve the exact same results a number of other ways.

Right?

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What result?

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You tell us- what result can you obtain being a follower of Jesus, that you can't obtain with anything else?

- You say everyone gets eternal life in heaven, so that's not it.
- You said that you help the poor and abused, but you can do that with any other belief, or even as an atheist.
- You said that holding on to "sins" like bitterness and ignoring the poor weighs your soul down, but you can let go of bitterness and help the poor without having to believe in Jesus.
- You said that it makes you a better person, but you can be a better person through other means.

So, I haven't heard any reason why someone needs to follow Jesus. You said Buddhists don't need him - so that means you can denounce your faith right now and become a Buddhist, and then you wouldn't need Jesus. You'd be able to do all the above, and even have eternal life in heaven. So that means by definition, Jesus is not necessary, i.e. you don't need Jesus. Right?

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That's right. You don't need any religion to do right.

TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

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No, you don't. Not if you're saying you can achieve the exact same results a number of other ways.

Right?

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What result?

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You tell us- what result can you obtain being a follower of Jesus, that you can't obtain with anything else?

- You say everyone gets eternal life in heaven, so that's not it.
- You said that you help the poor and abused, but you can do that with any other belief, or even as an atheist.
- You said that holding on to "sins" like bitterness and ignoring the poor weighs your soul down, but you can let go of bitterness and help the poor without having to believe in Jesus.
- You said that it makes you a better person, but you can be a better person through other means.

So, I haven't heard any reason why someone needs to follow Jesus. You said Buddhists don't need him - so that means you can denounce your faith right now and become a Buddhist, and then you wouldn't need Jesus. You'd be able to do all the above, and even have eternal life in heaven. So that means by definition, Jesus is not necessary, i.e. you don't need Jesus. Right?

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That's right. You don't need any religion to do right.

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That is correct. And science can't define what is "right".

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TexasScientist said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Confession and repentance make me better person.

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So can eating right, exercising, and attending a Tony Robbins seminar.
So can attaining Buddhist enlightenment.

At least to those who believe that, right?

So why do we need Jesus?

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Buddhists don't need him. I do.

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No, you don't. Not if you're saying you can achieve the exact same results a number of other ways.

Right?

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What result?

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You tell us- what result can you obtain being a follower of Jesus, that you can't obtain with anything else?

- You say everyone gets eternal life in heaven, so that's not it.
- You said that you help the poor and abused, but you can do that with any other belief, or even as an atheist.
- You said that holding on to "sins" like bitterness and ignoring the poor weighs your soul down, but you can let go of bitterness and help the poor without having to believe in Jesus.
- You said that it makes you a better person, but you can be a better person through other means.

So, I haven't heard any reason why someone needs to follow Jesus. You said Buddhists don't need him - so that means you can denounce your faith right now and become a Buddhist, and then you wouldn't need Jesus. You'd be able to do all the above, and even have eternal life in heaven. So that means by definition, Jesus is not necessary, i.e. you don't need Jesus. Right?

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That's right. You don't need any religion to do right.

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That is correct. And science can't define what is "right".

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But science can be used by culture to define what is right, as opposed to religious cultural edicts. It's part of the reason why the medical community will prescribe an appendectomy for a ruptured appendix in lieu of prayer.