Porteroso said:

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The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.

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What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?

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Porteroso said:

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The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.

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What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?

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Can you imagine our top brass calling China and telling them our President is thinking about launching a nuclear attack? How many Americans get killed when the Chinese launch their birds first in response?

That is exactly why you don't circumvent the chain of command. Zero points to anyone who thinks warning our enemies of a real or imagined attack, whether conventional or nuclear, is justified.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Porteroso said:

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The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.

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What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?

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Can you imagine our top brass calling China and telling them our President is thinking about launching a nuclear attack? How many Americans get killed when the Chinese launch their birds first in response?

That is exactly why you don't circumvent the chain of command. Zero points to anyone who thinks warning our enemies of a real or imagined attack, whether conventional or nuclear, is justified.

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What's funny is the media tries to paint Trump as the nutso when people like Milley do crazy things in response to him. When it comes to foreign conflicts, Trump showed more restraint than any of his predecessors of the past 30 years. The real crazies here are the alarmists that thought he would start a war.

HuMcK said:

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HuMcK said:

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It's not "whataboutism", it's pointing out inconsistencies in the responses to the 2 events. The same people who hand-waved their way through far worse accusations (with actual, hard evidence) are now throwing around terms like "treason" for Milley and saying he should he imprisoned.

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You still haven't pointed it out. Where is this "hard" evidence?

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"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr Trump."

"If it's what you say, I love it"

That's irrefutable evidence of Trump's son being offered and accepting help in the 2016 election from the Russian government, in emails confirmed by Don Jr to be real. Other examples to cite include Paul Manafort dealing with Russian agent Konstantin Kilmnik to exchange sensitive campaign documents in 2016, and Rudy Giuliani dealing with Russian agent Adreii Derkach to manufacture a scandal involving Hunter Biden a couple months before Derkach was sanctioned by Trump's StateDept for being a Russian spy in 2020. By 2020 it was so blatant that Giuliani got asked to his face by a journalist why he was meeting with suspected Russian agents after being warned by our own intel agencies not to.

Those are examples involving Trump's family and agents dealing with Russian intelligence in both elections, backed up by documentary evidence and admissions by the parties involved, and it's far from a comprehensive list.

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Dude, give it up. There was 3 year investigation that produced squat. Trump isn't president anymore.

You're a broken record and no one is buying the album.

Porteroso said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Porteroso said:

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The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.

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What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?

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Can you imagine our top brass calling China and telling them our President is thinking about launching a nuclear attack? How many Americans get killed when the Chinese launch their birds first in response?

That is exactly why you don't circumvent the chain of command. Zero points to anyone who thinks warning our enemies of a real or imagined attack, whether conventional or nuclear, is justified.

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At this point, any launch of nukes ends the entire civilized world. Whether we launch first, or anyone else, everyone will launch. So what is better, China knowing they don't have to worry about the insane person trying to end the world, or watching an insane person try to end the world, through their intelligence?

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LOL.... It's funny that you pretend that Trump is as crazy as the likes of AOC, Biden's Handlers, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Harris and the rest of them.

Porteroso said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Porteroso said:

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The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.

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What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?

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Can you imagine our top brass calling China and telling them our President is thinking about launching a nuclear attack? How many Americans get killed when the Chinese launch their birds first in response?

That is exactly why you don't circumvent the chain of command. Zero points to anyone who thinks warning our enemies of a real or imagined attack, whether conventional or nuclear, is justified.

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At this point, any launch of nukes ends the entire civilized world. Whether we launch first, or anyone else, everyone will launch. So what is better, China knowing they don't have to worry about the insane person trying to end the world, or watching an insane person try to end the world, through their intelligence?

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Your hypothesis is stupid. Just stop. Do better.

Xi, he is trying to nuke you. But don't worry about it because he is crazy.

Jacques Strap said:

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General Mark Milley rants that China is “not an enemy” during a national security summit (2015) pic.twitter.com/uFKBhWXnFS

— Jewish Deplorable (@TrumpJew2) September 15, 2021

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What a pompous ass.

Clicks off Chinese growth rates someone told him 10 mins before the speech...and makes predictions on slower growth in the future that he has no idea if it will be true.

He serves the elite class well by telling everyone China is not an enemy....because our ruling class is making a killing being in bed with the communists.

All the while he has us focused on Russia as the enemy even though it has a tiny economy that is the size of Italy.

All the people in DC make me sick.

It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.

J.B.Katz said:

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It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.

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The crazy is coming for from you - all the time

J.B.Katz said:

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It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.

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The only possibility of nuclear conflict was in that guys head, he's got lots of crazy fantasies in there as he reads his white rage and other CRT manuals.

The most peaceful president in your lifetime was going to start a nuclear war, seems legit

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It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.

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I believe Joe Biden has lost his damn mind and I still don't want any general bureaucrat overstepping him.

You don't mind the unelected ruling over you which explains your political views. You vote to appease the worldview of NYT.

All these people that worked up close with Trump repeatedly keep saying he's unstable to the point of being dangerous. Milley, McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, Kelley, Cohen, etc. People who worked with him face to face, sometimes for years. But yeah, I'm sure you you know a guy you've never met better than those people do, it must be the "left's" propaganda driving those mens opinions and not their own personal experiences.

You better hope Durham has a lot more evidence than what's reported, because it doesn't move the ball on any of your deep state narratives. 3rd party notes taken after the meeting won't get it done in court for a false statement charge. Even if they get a conviction, it'll be another 6 month probation sentence just like Clinesmith. So congrats, y'all managed to implicitly get Durham to bless the rest of the sprawling Russia investigation as kosher and warranted while mopping up some inconsequential slop. I thought y'all got the hint after Huber and Horowitz did the same, but maybe not.

Meanwhile, your guy's campaign manager spent time in prison for refusing to discuss the meetings with a Russian spy they caught him having, and ate felony charges while waiting for a corrupt as hell pardon. His next campaign manager was charged with defrauding Trump supporters (and arrested off a Chinese millionaire's yacht!), until he also got his corrupt as hell pardon. Thats a real fine pack of criminals you've been defending all these years.

HuMcK said:

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All these people that worked up close with Trump repeatedly keep saying he's unstable to the point of being dangerous. Milley, McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, Kelley, Cohen, etc. People who worked with him face to face, sometimes for years. But yeah, I'm sure you you know a guy you've never met better than those people do, it must be the "left's" propaganda driving those mens opinions and not their own personal experiences.

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This seems to be the standard line when there is a policy disagreement. Trump is "crazy" or an "idiot."

HuMcK said:

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All these people that worked up close with Trump repeatedly keep saying he's unstable to the point of being dangerous. Milley, McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, Kelley, Cohen, etc. People who worked with him face to face, sometimes for years. But yeah, I'm sure you you know a guy you've never met better than those people do, it must be the "left's" propaganda driving those mens opinions and not their own personal experiences.

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The D.C. establishment swamp type, especially of the military variety, doesn't like it when someone comes in and wants to upset the apple cart and not start any new wars.

Besides, I've never met you and I'm fairly certain you're a leftist wacko that fancies himself as being an aficionado of Trump conspiracy theories. Hell, I bet you even believe the fake Steele dossier.

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I think we should be worried about Miley's (and Pelosi's) stability, not Trumps.

Leftist activists can just claim they believe the duly elected president is "crazy" as a justification for all sorts of insubordination and treasonous behavior. Someone is not "crazy" because they hurt your feelings and are mean.

In the end, this could all be embellishment to sell books. But this pattern of behavior was rampant while Trump was president. Meanwhile no one, is questioning the behavior and capacity of the currently obviously impaired occupant in the White House.

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What's really nuts about this supposed grave concern that Trump was so crazy that he might launch a pre-emptive military strike (especially against the likes of China) is the fact that Trump was actually one of the most anti-war President's we've ever had. He is the first POTUS since Jimmy Carter to not launch or get the USA involved in a war somewhere. He correctly believed in peace through strength (hence the re-building and modernization of the military) with the clear goal of having a military so strong and powerful that it'll never need to be used it in a catastrophic all out war scenario because no adversary will want to insure their own assured destruction. If he was so "war crazy" why didn't he launch a war against North Korea shortly after inauguration? If he was really so gung ho about going to war, there was plenty of justification at the time to launch one there. Off the top none of it makes any sense other than being just another way to lie about Trump and his intentions because of TDS inspired visceral hatred.

J.B.Katz said:

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It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.

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What if Milley decides that President Biden is non compos mentis and refuses to take orders from the office of the president?

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BearFan33 said:

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I think we should be worried about Miley's (and Pelosi's) stability, not Trumps.

Leftist activists can just claim they believe the duly elected president is "crazy" as a justification for all sorts of insubordination and treasonous behavior. Someone is not "crazy" because they hurt your feelings and are mean.

In the end, this could all be embellishment to sell books. But this pattern of behavior was rampant while Trump was president. Meanwhile no one, is questioning the behavior and capacity of the currently obviously impaired occupant in the White House.

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What's really nuts about this supposed grave concern that Trump was so crazy that he might launch a pre-emptive military strike (especially against the likes of China) is the fact that Trump was actually one of the most anti-war President's we've ever had. He is the first POTUS since Jimmy Carter to not launch or get the USA involved in a war somewhere. He correctly believed in peace through strength (hence the re-building and modernization of the military) with the clear goal of having a military so strong and powerful that it'll never need to be used it in a catastrophic all out war scenario because no adversary will want to insure their own assured destruction. If he was so "war crazy" why didn't he launch a war against North Korea shortly after inauguration? If he was really so gung ho about going to war, there was plenty of justification at the time to launch one there. Off the top none of it makes any sense other than being just another way to lie about Trump and his intentions because of TDS inspired visceral hatred.

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There's a difference between "war crazy" and just plain crazy.

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And Trump is neither. Actually putting your country and it's legal citizens first might be "crazy" to you lefties, but it's the very definition of sanity to most of us.

Furthermore, Milley and everyone else should be about a thousand times more afraid of a catastrophic war given the dementia stricken boob now occupying the White House and given the puppet masters that control him.

HuMcK said:

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3rd party notes taken after the meeting won't get it done in court for a false statement charge.

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And yet, a whistleblower who only heard second-hand information was enough for democrats to impeach a sitting President. Weird how those standards change.

Yes, let's try again, slower this time. There. Were. Two. Whistleblower. Complaints. Vindman. Was. On. The. Call.

That's called a "first hand recollection". And oh by the way it corroborated the second hand account of the other whistleblower.

And of course a big part of what launched the investigation is the Trump admin got caught burying the complaints, in violation of whistleblower laws. Cover-up attempts like that are a blinking red sign saying "investigate this".