Gameday Thread: #18 Baylor (15-5; 4-3) vs #12 Iowa State (16-4; 5-2)

Two games in a row where we showed mental and physical toughness. This team is starting to gel and fight through mistakes.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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hodedofome said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Curious what exactly got CSD tossed

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It was being outside the coaches box. Announcers said he never said a word. Ridiculous.

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That's it? Coaches are outside the box all the time and don't get called for crap like that.

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Remember that the same crew called a third technical on Baylor right after kicking Drew out.

When I was a ref, we were always reminded not to have 'rabbit ears*'.

Guess tonight's crew missed that lesson.






(* rabbit ears - when an official is angry and looks for something he can whistle to punish a player/coach)

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Any idea what was said from the bench? I'm guessing what was said was a bunch of nothing.

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Yep. Look at the body language, the coaching staff was surprised by the call, while the official was aggressive even before the call. He was looking for something to whistle.

Exactly THAT.

Huge win, a big confidence builder and just showed incredibly moxy down the stretch.




(Just PLEASE get back in the gym this week and keep practicing those FTs!!!!)

Oldbear83 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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hodedofome said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Curious what exactly got CSD tossed

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It was being outside the coaches box. Announcers said he never said a word. Ridiculous.

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That's it? Coaches are outside the box all the time and don't get called for crap like that.

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Remember that the same crew called a third technical on Baylor right after kicking Drew out.

When I was a ref, we were always reminded not to have 'rabbit ears*'.

Guess tonight's crew missed that lesson.






(* rabbit ears - when an official is angry and looks for something he can whistle to punish a player/coach)

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Any idea what was said from the bench? I'm guessing what was said was a bunch of nothing.

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Yep. Look at the body language, the coaching staff was surprised by the call, while the official was aggressive even before the call. He was looking for something to whistle.

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Well, then these officials probably cost us at least 12 points that we would have otherwise had.

I think it was Alvin or Tweety.. they were most surprised..it sure as hell wasn't Jaikus..he has a resting heart rate of 12.

Crawfoso1973 said:

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Two games in a row where we showed mental and physical toughness. This team is starting to gel and fight through mistakes.

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Yep....these last 2 games can be building blocks

Felt like we were playing at Phog Allen tonight.

DanaDane said:

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I don't have an issue with the first T. That was because he was on the court, and he was and does it frequently. It's rampant in college basketball and has essentially created 5 on 6 and needs to be stopped. Shaka Smart is one of the worst at it. Calipari does it too. Although tonight TJ should have also gotten one because he did it frequently as well.

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.

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The ref you are referring to got butthurt that CSD was (rightfully) making objections to the disparity in fouls, waited patiently, then used a completely innocuous moment in the game to hand him his 2nd tech and exact revenge. It was personal at that point which is something that you should never seen. I mean, that's the stuff you see from MLB umpires.

BUGWBBear said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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How many times has Drew been ejected in his career?

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Probably count on one hand

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i can count it on one finger

Hotsauce said:

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DanaDane said:

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I don't have an issue with the first T. That was because he was on the court, and he was and does it frequently. It's rampant in college basketball and has essentially created 5 on 6 and needs to be stopped. Shaka Smart is one of the worst at it. Calipari does it too. Although tonight TJ should have also gotten one because he did it frequently as well.

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.

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The ref you are referring to got butthurt that CSD was (rightfully) making objections to the disparity in fouls, waited patiently, then used a completely innocuous moment in the game to hand him his 2nd tech and exact revenge. It was personal at that point which is something that you should never seen. I mean, that's the stuff you see from MLB umpires.

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If that can be proven, it should get him fired and ejected from ever officiating a game again. The game loses its integrity and value when officials cheat like that.

Looking at the video now, you can clearly see he wasn't even close to where Drew was, which means (to me) that he had let his emotional issues or dislike of Drew to take over. Just like you said, that is a guy who shouldn't be an official if he can't put personal things aside. The ref closest to Drew didn't throw Drew out. He just passed by like a normal ref would do.

DanaDane said:

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I don't have an issue with the first T. That was because he was on the court, and he was and does it frequently. It's rampant in college basketball and has essentially created 5 on 6 and needs to be stopped. Shaka Smart is one of the worst at it. Calipari does it too. Although tonight TJ should have also gotten one because he did it frequently as well.

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.

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That's one of the things you never hear about. There is a shortage of officials, not to mention good ones.

Back when I reffed, the chapter worked to weed out bad officials and coach salvageable officials to improve. Basketball is hard for that, because you have a lot of games and only so many officials. With a shortage of qualified officials now, you see a lot more like what happened tonight. YouTube is full of such incidents,

Officiating crews always do a pre-game review, and usually that's a good thing. You pay attention to the last few games by each team, and you remind your crew what to look for to keep the game safe and flowing smooth.

Tonight's game had a lot of importance. A prime-time game on ESPN, both teams ranked and in the thick of the conference race, and with the earlier results a win or loss would be huge for both Iowa State and Baylor.

Without knowing more, I'd say the officials wanted to call a tight game and let ISU's coaches ride them to the point of bias. Drew has always been more reserved in terms of working officials, and sometimes that hurts him.

Something like being outside your place on the floor should only be called if egregious and affects game play. Neither of those was true. Keep in mind we saw the officials get chippy early in how they spoke to players. I suspect rather than cooling off at halftime, the crew decided they were not being tough enough. and we all saw where that led.

Grumpy said:

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Someone can help me recall: there was a game where Drew simply took off his jacket and threw it behind the bench and was teched for that. But I don't recall in that game if that was his second. After that game, Drew began taking off his jacket before the game started. (Then during COVID he switched to sweats.) Anyone recall that particular "jacket" game?

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That was the NIT finals vs Penn State in 2009. He wasn't ejected. Just T'ed up.

Oldbear83 said:

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DanaDane said:

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I don't have an issue with the first T. That was because he was on the court, and he was and does it frequently. It's rampant in college basketball and has essentially created 5 on 6 and needs to be stopped. Shaka Smart is one of the worst at it. Calipari does it too. Although tonight TJ should have also gotten one because he did it frequently as well.

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.

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That's one of the things you never hear about. There is a shortage of officials, not to mention good ones.

Back when I reffed, the chapter worked to weed out bad officials and coach salvageable officials to improve. Basketball is hard for that, because you have a lot of games and only so many officials. With a shortage of qualified officials now, you see a lot more like what happened tonight. YouTube is full of such incidents,

Officiating crews always do a pre-game review, and usually that's a good thing. You pay attention to the last few games by each team, and you remind your crew what to look for to keep the game safe and flowing smooth.

Tonight's game had a lot of importance. A prime-time game on ESPN, both teams ranked and in the thick of the conference race, and with the earlier results a win or loss would be huge for both Iowa State and Baylor.

Without knowing more, I'd say the officials wanted to call a tight game and let ISU's coaches ride them to the point of bias. Drew has always been more reserved in terms of working officials, and sometimes that hurts him.

Something like being outside your place on the floor should only be called if egregious and affects game play. Neither of those was true. Keep in mind we saw the officials get chippy early in how they spoke to players. I suspect rather than cooling off at halftime, the crew decided they were not being tough enough. and we all saw where that led.

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I'm as big a critic of ADMR as anyone, but his comments on the radio postgame show:

Big12 is the premier league in the nation, it's a dogfight every game, and the officials have to be up to the task. And tonight was an embarrassment.

The former ISU commit Jayden Nunn hits the game winner! Good for Jayden!

if the rest of the season is like these last 5 games, i'll need to dry out somewhere after the season,,,

Mack brought the heat in post game. It's about time.

whitetrash said:

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I'm as big a critic of ADMR as anyone, but his comments on the radio postgame show:

Big12 is the premier league in the nation, it's a dogfight every game, and the officials have to be up to the task. And tonight was an embarrassment.

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Actually a pretty stand-up thing to do b/c criticizing the officiating will probably come with a league fine. So ADMR took the hit to the wallet so CSD didn't have to.